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Re: Diplomacy
« Reply #60 on: 10 July 2019, 14:28:10 »

He's done his job and given his honest opinion of the US Administration. Some ne're do well has deliberately leaked that information to either remove the ambassador or try to further destabilise the Government .....

and we go after the honest Ambassador and seemingly ignore the dishonest and illegal activities of the leaker.

Press Freedom ?? or protecting their own and, once again, "making" the news not "reporting" it.... easy headlines against honest reporting ???

Just shows what a pretty parlous state the media in this country has become.
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Re: Diplomacy
« Reply #61 on: 10 July 2019, 14:32:49 »

He's done his job and given his honest opinion of the US Administration. Some ne're do well has deliberately leaked that information to either remove the ambassador or try to further destabilise the Government .....

and we go after the honest Ambassador and seemingly ignore the dishonest and illegal activities of the leaker.

Press Freedom ?? or protecting their own and, once again, "making" the news not "reporting" it.... easy headlines against honest reporting ???

Just shows what a pretty parlous state the media in this country has become.

Yes.....who is the leaker?

Can't be that hard to locate......surely. :-\
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Re: Diplomacy
« Reply #62 on: 10 July 2019, 14:49:27 »

It all bodes well.

Now we have Sir John Major threatening legal action against Boris if he doesn't toe the line.

Yep, the nightmare has only just begun! ::) ::) ::)
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Re: Diplomacy
« Reply #63 on: 10 July 2019, 15:10:02 »

It all bodes well.

Now we have Sir John Major threatening legal action against Boris if he doesn't toe the line.

Yep, the nightmare has only just begun! ::) ::) ::)

Hardly failing to toe the line, more a truly staggering level of hypocrisy. My understanding was that a big part of the Brexiteer case, and BoJo's case specifically back in 2016 was that the UK parliament should be sovereign and be free to make the decisions that affect us all. But it seems that he's perfectly happy to sideline them, by whatever means necessary to get the outcome he wants, once he's in the driving seat  ::).
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Re: Diplomacy
« Reply #64 on: 10 July 2019, 15:27:26 »

It all bodes well.

Now we have Sir John Major threatening legal action against Boris if he doesn't toe the line.

Yep, the nightmare has only just begun! ::) ::) ::)

Hardly failing to toe the line, more a truly staggering level of hypocrisy. My understanding was that a big part of the Brexiteer case, and BoJo's case specifically back in 2016 was that the UK parliament should be sovereign and be free to make the decisions that affect us all. But it seems that he's perfectly happy to sideline them, by whatever means necessary to get the outcome he wants, once he's in the driving seat  ::).

It would be a disaster for Boris to sideline parliament for the reasons you have outlined.

However, he may argue the will of 17.4 million people is superior to the will of 650 MP's........and his views may prove popular with Brexit voters.
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Re: Diplomacy
« Reply #65 on: 10 July 2019, 15:30:03 »

Presumably he would have to ask permission from the Queen to suspend parliament. Can she so no? Would she say no?

More questions than answers.
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Re: Diplomacy
« Reply #66 on: 10 July 2019, 16:23:31 »

It all bodes well.

Now we have Sir John Major threatening legal action against Boris if he doesn't toe the line.

Yep, the nightmare has only just begun! ::) ::) ::)

Hardly failing to toe the line, more a truly staggering level of hypocrisy. My understanding was that a big part of the Brexiteer case, and BoJo's case specifically back in 2016 was that the UK parliament should be sovereign and be free to make the decisions that affect us all. But it seems that he's perfectly happy to sideline them, by whatever means necessary to get the outcome he wants, once he's in the driving seat  ::).

It would be a disaster for Boris to sideline parliament for the reasons you have outlined.

However, he may argue the will of 17.4 million people is superior to the will of 650 MP's........and his views may prove popular with Brexit voters.

He may try that, but in any case, even leaving without a deal will mean he has to rely on the whole of Parliament to keep the country going, and legally pass all the bills that will be required to enact whatever post-Brexit legislation he wishes to lay down. Remember, the difference between the Remain vote and Leave was Just 3% from a turn-out of just 72%.

Without going through it all again which is a waste of time, we are just heading for a General Election as any new Government under Buffoon Boris will still be operating under a very slim majority, in fact none if the DUP and others fall away with their support for a Conservative Party in complete disarray.  With Labour also in trouble, with the rest of British politics, the only way is a GE after a few months.

It will be bye bye Boris! ::) ::) ::)
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Re: Diplomacy
« Reply #67 on: 10 July 2019, 16:52:59 »

It will be bye bye Boris! ::) ::) ::)

And hopefully not Hello Corbyn.
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Re: Diplomacy
« Reply #68 on: 10 July 2019, 17:11:57 »

Major putting the boot in again, I had enough of that idiot last Tim round.
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Re: Diplomacy
« Reply #69 on: 10 July 2019, 17:41:37 »

Major putting the boot in again, I had enough of that idiot last Tim round.

He was a given a good kicking from Thatcher for the first few years of his premiership. His turn now. In fact, all PM's think they did a better job than their predecessor. Must be a vanity thing. :)
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Re: Diplomacy
« Reply #70 on: 10 July 2019, 17:46:23 »

Cameron will be along to give Boris a kicking very shortly. :)
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Re: Diplomacy
« Reply #71 on: 10 July 2019, 17:48:23 »

......perhaps a pig's head could be found. ::) ::)
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Re: Diplomacy
« Reply #72 on: 10 July 2019, 17:56:46 »

At this point, a decisive No Deal exit is the only workable course of action.

TM had to stand behind the Kim, but it was a moot gesture given the brevity of her position. Boris could, and perhaps should, have said nothing until assuming position and could have simply got the new FS to sack Kim if he hadn't already fallen on his sword.

As to the leaker, a quiet disappearance would be in order...
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Re: Diplomacy
« Reply #73 on: 10 July 2019, 19:01:27 »

Personally, I think all have behaved correctly, except the despicable leaker. Was their motive to weaken the UK government further or to try & cause a rift between Boris & Donald & the pending US-UK trade deal? Knowing that a diplomat's job is to bluntly advise their government, in confidence, which is what he did is fine, the problem is that being leaked & the damage that this has caused to US-UK relations, which made his position untennerable & he has quite rightly resigned. Boris saying nothing as our PM in waiting is also correct as to back the diplomat or Trump would have damaged his authority as PM with either the diplomatic corp or US-UK & Boris-Donald relationship.

When Boris becomes PM, his first task must be to restore government & party discipline. He should make it quite clear that the Tory party were all elected in the 2017 GE on a manifesto of implementing Brexit and no deal is better than a bad deal. He should make it clear that anybody that breaks this commitment & tries to undermine the government, from this point onwards, can consider their political career over as they will be deselected as a Tory party candidate at the next GE. Where May has set aside the deselections so far by local Tory party associations including my local turncoat MP, this needs to be reinstated for the next GE, where they are remainers in leave areas, if the Tories want to have a chance in retaining that seat.

Wanting to continue to keep your snout is the Westminster trough will have a powerful effect on those that continually undermine their own party, government & the UK's interests. Polling suggests that Boris will defeat Corbyn if they force a GE  with a 40 seat majority & reduce the Brexit party success in the south. Labour now being the official party of remain & holding a second loser's referendum (when they lose again & again, will this then become the bast of 5,7,9,11,13,15....?) will really hit them hard in the north with their leave electorate majority with the Brexit Party being the new party of choice, where they would never have & never will vote Tory since the miner's strike.

Remain, left & MSM are all slagging off Boris as they know he will see Brexit over the line. MSM make no effort anymore to either report the facts reasonably impartially, so the viewer, listener or reader can make their own minds up, but just spew out a torrent of verbal diarrhea light in facts, but heavy in partisan propaganda, opinions & comments, mixed with speculation & innuendo. The end result is that newspaper circulation, radio listening & tv viewing figures (C4 down 8%) are all falling, where people either turn off from this or use alternative web based sources for news & information. More & more alternative sources are using YouTube & other video platforms to bypass the MSM & where they have done their best to ignore the Brexit Party they have now setup BrexitBox on YouTube.
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Re: Diplomacy
« Reply #74 on: 10 July 2019, 20:07:01 »

It all bodes well.

Now we have Sir John Major threatening legal action against Boris if he doesn't toe the line.

Yep, the nightmare has only just begun! ::) ::) ::)

Hardly failing to toe the line, more a truly staggering level of hypocrisy. My understanding was that a big part of the Brexiteer case, and BoJo's case specifically back in 2016 was that the UK parliament should be sovereign and be free to make the decisions that affect us all. But it seems that he's perfectly happy to sideline them, by whatever means necessary to get the outcome he wants, once he's in the driving seat  ::).

Not hypocritical at all. Its parliament that's being hypocritical. The electorate took the decision to take away the powers from the EU our parliament had given to the EU, without our consent, and give them back to Parliament.
As soon as this process began, Parliament decided it didn't want the powers given back to it, despite the result of the vote, and that they would do all they could to prevent it from happening.
So, the Brexiteers are trying to stop Parliament from having the power to prevent all its previous powers being returned to it.
It could only happen in politics.  ::)
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