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Iranian tensions
« on: 11 July 2019, 12:19:30 »

A Royal Navy warship placed herself between a British tanker and some Iranian gunboats in the Gulf of Hormuz[reportedly training her guns on them but not firing]This it seems is an attempt by the Iranians to seize the tanker in retaliation for our"Piracy" when Marines boarded and seized an Iranian tanker off the coast of Gibraltar which was suspected of breaching EU sanctions.
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Re: Iranian tensions
« Reply #1 on: 11 July 2019, 12:34:44 »

Israel is being very quiet.  :-X
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Re: Iranian tensions
« Reply #2 on: 11 July 2019, 12:35:08 »

How will it end?  We will have to send our aircraft carrier........ :o

Best keep tank full on any gas guzzlers out there.
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Re: Iranian tensions
« Reply #3 on: 11 July 2019, 12:39:23 »

How will it end?  We will have to send our aircraft carrier........ :o

Best keep tank full on any gas guzzlers out there.
Can't send our carrier, it's sprung a leak.  ;D
Besides, it's not for actual fighting, it's for showing what big boys we are.
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Re: Iranian tensions
« Reply #4 on: 11 July 2019, 12:48:39 »

The TV reports also stated that it was the USA that had requested the British to engage the Royal Navy to engage with the Iranian gun boats..

We know of course that the USA is in the process of putting together an "International Protection Fleet" to protect all shipping, especially tankers, from the Iranians and others who may try and stop them ;)

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Re: Iranian tensions
« Reply #5 on: 11 July 2019, 12:51:14 »

The TV reports also stated that it was the USA that had requested the British to engage the Royal Navy to engage with the Iranian gun boats..

We know of course that the USA is in the process of putting together an "International Protection Fleet" to protect all shipping, especially tankers from the Iranians and others who may try and stop them ;)
Countries could easily be persuaded to join a 'coalition' with the US at one time, not so sure now. If any Europeans join in, there goes the notion of them supporting the nuclear deal.
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Re: Iranian tensions
« Reply #6 on: 11 July 2019, 12:57:59 »

The TV reports also stated that it was the USA that had requested the British to engage the Royal Navy to engage with the Iranian gun boats..

We know of course that the USA is in the process of putting together an "International Protection Fleet" to protect all shipping, especially tankers from the Iranians and others who may try and stop them ;)
Countries could easily be persuaded to join a 'coalition' with the US at one time, not so sure now. If any Europeans join in, there goes the notion of them supporting the nuclear deal.

According to various sources, Iran has now, or is about to, breach the storage limits of enriched uranium as agreed by the signatures of that treaty, which then included the USA.

So, in short we are still going through increasingly dangerous times. ;)

What will the European nations do, or can do?  We shall see, or not see!

Looks like it could be down to the USA and Britain to step up to the mark :( :(
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Re: Iranian tensions
« Reply #7 on: 11 July 2019, 13:02:05 »

The TV reports also stated that it was the USA that had requested the British to engage the Royal Navy to engage with the Iranian gun boats..

We know of course that the USA is in the process of putting together an "International Protection Fleet" to protect all shipping, especially tankers from the Iranians and others who may try and stop them ;)
Countries could easily be persuaded to join a 'coalition' with the US at one time, not so sure now. If any Europeans join in, there goes the notion of them supporting the nuclear deal.

According to various sources, Iran has now, or is about to, breach the storage limits of enriched uranium as agreed by the signatures of that treaty, which then included the USA.

So, in short we are still going through increasingly dangerous times. ;)
The world has always been, is and always will be 'a dangerous place'. We cannot let this stop us going about our business, and hand wringing serves no purpose whatsoever.
Put yourself 100 miles up in space, looking down at our pathetic behaviour, and you'll soon realise that sooner or later...........BANG!!!!
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Re: Iranian tensions
« Reply #8 on: 11 July 2019, 13:08:54 »

The TV reports also stated that it was the USA that had requested the British to engage the Royal Navy to engage with the Iranian gun boats..

We know of course that the USA is in the process of putting together an "International Protection Fleet" to protect all shipping, especially tankers from the Iranians and others who may try and stop them ;)
Countries could easily be persuaded to join a 'coalition' with the US at one time, not so sure now. If any Europeans join in, there goes the notion of them supporting the nuclear deal.

According to various sources, Iran has now, or is about to, breach the storage limits of enriched uranium as agreed by the signatures of that treaty, which then included the USA.

So, in short we are still going through increasingly dangerous times. ;)
The world has always been, is and always will be 'a dangerous place'. We cannot let this stop us going about our business, and hand wringing serves no purpose whatsoever.
Put yourself 100 miles up in space, looking down at our pathetic behaviour, and you'll soon realise that sooner or later...........BANG!!!!

That has been the case since 1945.

The difference is now there are far more unstable countries, with unstable leaders, and equipped with nuclear resources.

Apocalypse has been predicted many times, so who knows..........................................??  ::) ::) ::)
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Re: Iranian tensions
« Reply #9 on: 11 July 2019, 13:15:32 »

The TV reports also stated that it was the USA that had requested the British to engage the Royal Navy to engage with the Iranian gun boats..

We know of course that the USA is in the process of putting together an "International Protection Fleet" to protect all shipping, especially tankers from the Iranians and others who may try and stop them ;)
Countries could easily be persuaded to join a 'coalition' with the US at one time, not so sure now. If any Europeans join in, there goes the notion of them supporting the nuclear deal.

According to various sources, Iran has now, or is about to, breach the storage limits of enriched uranium as agreed by the signatures of that treaty, which then included the USA.

So, in short we are still going through increasingly dangerous times. ;)

What will the European nations do, or can do?  We shall see, or not see!

Looks like it could be down to the USA and Britain to step up to the mark :( :(

What little old insignificant Britain being asked to stop the tanker near Gib and look after this tanker in the Straits of Hormuz. Who would have thunk that especially after all the talk Britain down rhetoric from the Remainers that the UK is like a banana republic just above Haiti in the ranks.

As for the rest of Europe well has anyone heard a peep? Their official line is still to try and broker a deal with Iran. Plus they are too busy choosing undemocratically , their new leaders.

I feel a tad sorry for Joe public in Iran with all the sanctions but the solution lays in the hands of their leaders.

Suggesting sending our aircraft carrier was humour. Notwithstanding leaks , has it even got operation worthy planes.

Where does Israel fit in with this?
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Re: Iranian tensions
« Reply #10 on: 11 July 2019, 13:22:42 »


Suggesting sending our aircraft carrier was humour. Notwithstanding leaks , has it even got operation worthy planes.

Nor ships to protect it as QE and PoW were originally destined for the new EU navy.  ;)
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Re: Iranian tensions
« Reply #11 on: 11 July 2019, 14:27:59 »

What little old insignificant Britain being asked to stop the tanker near Gib and look after this tanker in the Straits of Hormuz. Who would have thunk that especially after all the talk Britain down rhetoric from the Remainers that the UK is like a banana republic just above Haiti in the ranks.

AIUI the tanker is the BP owned "British Heritage", which is registered in the Isle Of Man so entitled to protection from the Royal Navy. That's one of the primary reasons the RN was formed - to protect the British merchant fleet. If the Yanks got intelligence that some Iranian up to no good was about to happen, and there was a RN presence in the area, then I'd bloody well hope they pass that info on to HMG and appropriate action is taken. The yanks don't have to tell us where the info came from, spy satellites, drones, ELINT etc, but we should be thankful they shared it with us.

If there had been no RN presence then it's up to the rules of engagement of whatever assets were in the area, and their chain of command, as to what happens next. Often that is nothing, as was the case with the two tankers a few weeks ago. The US obviously had 'eyes-on' but on that occasion chose not to respond with lethal force. If the tankers had been US flagged things would have been different.

If the merchant ship is sailing under a different flag, then it's up to that country to sort their mess out. If the ship had been Panamanian for instance, I doubt HMS Montrose would have intervened so swiftly - and it's anyones guess if the USN would have reacted.
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Re: Iranian tensions
« Reply #12 on: 11 July 2019, 14:37:05 »

The TV reports also stated that it was the USA that had requested the British to engage the Royal Navy to engage with the Iranian gun boats..

We know of course that the USA is in the process of putting together an "International Protection Fleet" to protect all shipping, especially tankers from the Iranians and others who may try and stop them ;)
Countries could easily be persuaded to join a 'coalition' with the US at one time, not so sure now. If any Europeans join in, there goes the notion of them supporting the nuclear deal.

According to various sources, Iran has now, or is about to, breach the storage limits of enriched uranium as agreed by the signatures of that treaty, which then included the USA.

So, in short we are still going through increasingly dangerous times. ;)

What will the European nations do, or can do?  We shall see, or not see!

Looks like it could be down to the USA and Britain to step up to the mark :( :(

What little old insignificant Britain being asked to stop the tanker near Gib and look after this tanker in the Straits of Hormuz. Who would have thunk that especially after all the talk Britain down rhetoric from the Remainers that the UK is like a banana republic just above Haiti in the ranks.

As for the rest of Europe well has anyone heard a peep? Their official line is still to try and broker a deal with Iran. Plus they are too busy choosing undemocratically , their new leaders.

I feel a tad sorry for Joe public in Iran with all the sanctions but the solution lays in the hands of their leaders.

Suggesting sending our aircraft carrier was humour. Notwithstanding leaks , has it even got operation worthy planes.

Where does Israel fit in with this?
Israel has said it will never allow Iran to develop a nuclear weapon. If it thinks it has the raw materials.......well, we all know what Israel will do. With America's permission......maybe.
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Re: Iranian tensions
« Reply #13 on: 11 July 2019, 14:57:19 »

What little old insignificant Britain being asked to stop the tanker near Gib and look after this tanker in the Straits of Hormuz. Who would have thunk that especially after all the talk Britain down rhetoric from the Remainers that the UK is like a banana republic just above Haiti in the ranks.

AIUI the tanker is the BP owned "British Heritage", which is registered in the Isle Of Man so entitled to protection from the Royal Navy. That's one of the primary reasons the RN was formed - to protect the British merchant fleet. If the Yanks got intelligence that some Iranian up to no good was about to happen, and there was a RN presence in the area, then I'd bloody well hope they pass that info on to HMG and appropriate action is taken. The yanks don't have to tell us where the info came from, spy satellites, drones, ELINT etc, but we should be thankful they shared it with us.

If there had been no RN presence then it's up to the rules of engagement of whatever assets were in the area, and their chain of command, as to what happens next. Often that is nothing, as was the case with the two tankers a few weeks ago. The US obviously had 'eyes-on' but on that occasion chose not to respond with lethal force. If the tankers had been US flagged things would have been different.

If the merchant ship is sailing under a different flag, then it's up to that country to sort their mess out. If the ship had been Panamanian for instance, I doubt HMS Montrose would have intervened so swiftly - and it's anyones guess if the USN would have reacted.

Yes, and according to the BBC, it was an American reconnaissance aircraft who spotted the problem developing and communicated with the Royal Navy ship :y

This must now be one of the most watched areas of the World! :D ;)
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« Reply #14 on: 11 July 2019, 15:02:00 »

Latest Ive heard just now is that a RN helicopter has been sent to circle the Iranian ships.
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