Omega Owners Forum

Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  

News:

Welcome to OOF

Pages: 1 [2] 3  All   Go Down

Author Topic: Mercedes W168 A160 cranking but not starting.  (Read 700 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Doctor Gollum

  • Omega Queen
  • ********
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • In a colds and darks puddleses
  • Posts: 13520
  • If you can't eat them, join them...
    • Feetses.
    • View Profile
Re: Mercedes W168 A160 cranking but not starting.
« Reply #15 on: 22 July 2019, 18:42:31 »

On a positive note, a new Bosch pump is only about 65, even though the tank needs dropping ::)
Logged
Onanists always think outside the box.

Migv6 le Frog Fan

  • Omega Lord
  • *******
  • Offline Offline
  • Webs End.
  • Posts: 6186
    • 3.2 Elite & French Hatch
    • View Profile
Re: Mercedes W168 A160 cranking but not starting.
« Reply #16 on: 22 July 2019, 18:48:45 »

My Mercedes is currently also cranking but wont start. Nothing to do with electronics as it doesnt have any, but I have a gut feeling it may be a serious issue. Could be looking for another one next week.
Logged
Wish I didn't know now, what I didn't know then.

Doctor Gollum

  • Omega Queen
  • ********
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • In a colds and darks puddleses
  • Posts: 13520
  • If you can't eat them, join them...
    • Feetses.
    • View Profile
Re: Mercedes W168 A160 cranking but not starting.
« Reply #17 on: 22 July 2019, 19:07:33 »

Fairly short list of potentials on one of those :'(
Logged
Onanists always think outside the box.

STEMO

  • Omega Queen
  • ********
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Up North
  • Posts: 12647
    • Astra 2.0 diesel
    • View Profile
Re: Mercedes W168 A160 cranking but not starting.
« Reply #18 on: 22 July 2019, 19:27:00 »

My Mercedes is currently also cranking but wont start. Nothing to do with electronics as it doesnt have any, but I have a gut feeling it may be a serious issue. Could be looking for another one next week.
Don't forget to drain the fuel tank before it goes, there might be as much as 1's worth in there.
Logged
If you are offended by anything I post, sorry. Just thought I'd get that in now.

Migv6 le Frog Fan

  • Omega Lord
  • *******
  • Offline Offline
  • Webs End.
  • Posts: 6186
    • 3.2 Elite & French Hatch
    • View Profile
Re: Mercedes W168 A160 cranking but not starting.
« Reply #19 on: 22 July 2019, 19:32:40 »

Its got a couple of gallons of diesel in there at the moment.  Typical. ;D
Im actually confident I would get at least what I paid for it even if the engine is fooked. It will cost  lot more than that to buy wnother half decent one though.
Logged
Wish I didn't know now, what I didn't know then.

Fuse 19

  • Administrator
  • *********
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • West Bridgford
  • Posts: 32498
  • Git!
    • View Profile
Re: Mercedes W168 A160 cranking but not starting.
« Reply #20 on: 23 July 2019, 09:08:55 »

Every mechanic I know blames CAN when they don't understand CAN  :y

CAN doesn't just fail, its always a module, the major question is which one, if a unit communicates by some means, even if its only fault codes then CAN is fine.

In general, the BCM/Gateway (for DoIP) is the CAN master on most vehicles built in the last 15 years (although GM did use the display as a CAN bridge on some vehicles) or so, always worth a check.

Logged

Fuse 19

  • Administrator
  • *********
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • West Bridgford
  • Posts: 32498
  • Git!
    • View Profile
Re: Mercedes W168 A160 cranking but not starting.
« Reply #21 on: 23 July 2019, 09:09:28 »

Its got a couple of gallons of diesel in there at the moment.  Typical. ;D
Im actually confident I would get at least what I paid for it even if the engine is fooked. It will cost  lot more than that to buy wnother half decent one though.

Its not as simple as the fuel shutoff solenoid on the pump?
Logged

Doctor Gollum

  • Omega Queen
  • ********
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • In a colds and darks puddleses
  • Posts: 13520
  • If you can't eat them, join them...
    • Feetses.
    • View Profile
Re: Mercedes W168 A160 cranking but not starting.
« Reply #22 on: 23 July 2019, 10:13:36 »

Every mechanic I know blames CAN when they don't understand CAN  :y

CAN doesn't just fail, its always a module, the major question is which one, if a unit communicates by some means, even if its only fault codes then CAN is fine.

In general, the BCM/Gateway (for DoIP) is the CAN master on most vehicles built in the last 15 years (although GM did use the display as a CAN bridge on some vehicles) or so, always worth a check.
The climate control has a single fault relating to CAN communication with the engine module...  :-\
Logged
Onanists always think outside the box.

Fuse 19

  • Administrator
  • *********
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • West Bridgford
  • Posts: 32498
  • Git!
    • View Profile
Re: Mercedes W168 A160 cranking but not starting.
« Reply #23 on: 23 July 2019, 10:15:30 »

Every mechanic I know blames CAN when they don't understand CAN  :y

CAN doesn't just fail, its always a module, the major question is which one, if a unit communicates by some means, even if its only fault codes then CAN is fine.

In general, the BCM/Gateway (for DoIP) is the CAN master on most vehicles built in the last 15 years (although GM did use the display as a CAN bridge on some vehicles) or so, always worth a check.
The climate control has a single fault relating to CAN communication with the engine module...  :-\

It happens quite regularly, if a module is a bit slow to boot up a CAN frame gets missed and it flags a CAN fault issue. These are often masked at end of line and never cause a significant issue.

So what codes are actually present and wont clear (with engine running);
Logged

STEMO

  • Omega Queen
  • ********
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Up North
  • Posts: 12647
    • Astra 2.0 diesel
    • View Profile
Re: Mercedes W168 A160 cranking but not starting.
« Reply #24 on: 23 July 2019, 10:21:29 »

Every mechanic I know blames CAN when they don't understand CAN  :y

CAN doesn't just fail, its always a module, the major question is which one, if a unit communicates by some means, even if its only fault codes then CAN is fine.

In general, the BCM/Gateway (for DoIP) is the CAN master on most vehicles built in the last 15 years (although GM did use the display as a CAN bridge on some vehicles) or so, always worth a check.
The climate control has a single fault relating to CAN communication with the engine module...  :-\

It happens quite regularly, if a module is a bit slow to boot up a CAN frame gets missed and it flags a CAN fault issue. These are often masked at end of line and never cause a significant issue.

So what codes are actually present and wont clear (with engine running);
Fault code 000001..........this car is a Mercedes Benz  ;D
Logged
If you are offended by anything I post, sorry. Just thought I'd get that in now.

Doctor Gollum

  • Omega Queen
  • ********
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • In a colds and darks puddleses
  • Posts: 13520
  • If you can't eat them, join them...
    • Feetses.
    • View Profile
Re: Mercedes W168 A160 cranking but not starting.
« Reply #25 on: 23 July 2019, 10:42:11 »

 :P

FZZ (immobiliser control module):
B1000
B1100
B1101
B1701

MSM (Throttle body):
Status:ERROR> Read error memory.
No codes displayed.

AC:
B1040
B1272

Think that's all that returns. Will double check later/tomorrow.
Logged
Onanists always think outside the box.

Fuse 19

  • Administrator
  • *********
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • West Bridgford
  • Posts: 32498
  • Git!
    • View Profile
Re: Mercedes W168 A160 cranking but not starting.
« Reply #26 on: 23 July 2019, 11:22:53 »

Has the battery and connections all been ok?

Mercs throw real wobbles when you get battery issues and you have a spread of codes
Logged

dave the builder

  • Omega Baron
  • ******
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Derbyshire
  • Posts: 2373
    • omega b2 2.6 cdxi
    • View Profile
Re: Mercedes W168 A160 cranking but not starting.
« Reply #27 on: 23 July 2019, 12:43:53 »

also alternator over voltage or under voltage or a component/fault causing a parasitic draw can upset modules
so worth checking battery and alternator voltages  :-\
Logged

Doctor Gollum

  • Omega Queen
  • ********
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • In a colds and darks puddleses
  • Posts: 13520
  • If you can't eat them, join them...
    • Feetses.
    • View Profile
Re: Mercedes W168 A160 cranking but not starting.
« Reply #28 on: 23 July 2019, 12:49:25 »

Has the battery and connections all been ok?

Mercs throw real wobbles when you get battery issues and you have a spread of codes
Battery is relatively new, 6 months perhaps... will run KWs tests ;)
Logged
Onanists always think outside the box.

Andy B

  • Get A Life!!
  • **********
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Bury Lancs
  • Posts: 36404
    • R320 TDM850 SmartRoadster
    • View Profile
Re: Mercedes W168 A160 cranking but not starting.
« Reply #29 on: 23 July 2019, 13:18:00 »

Every mechanic I know blames CAN when they don't understand CAN  :y

CAN doesn't just fail, its always a module, the major question is which one, if a unit communicates by some means, even if its only fault codes then CAN is fine.

In general, the BCM/Gateway (for DoIP) is the CAN master on most vehicles built in the last 15 years (although GM did use the display as a CAN bridge on some vehicles) or so, always worth a check.

I think this might the problem with my Smart 451 .... 2 garages have had 'communication problems'  :-\ I wonder if MB themselves might be worth a go.
Logged
Pages: 1 [2] 3  All   Go Up
 

Page created in 0.134 seconds with 22 queries.