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Trade deals
« on: 07 August 2019, 07:58:31 »

When talking of post Brexit trade deals with the U.S. one topic often mentioned is that of chlorinated chicken.So educate me[I'm thick],
1] Are these chickens chlorinated for export only or are all U.S. chickens chlorinated as a matter of course?
2] What does chlorinating do/ what effect does it have?
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Re: Trade deals
« Reply #1 on: 07 August 2019, 09:17:22 »

Add hormone treated beef to that!
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« Reply #2 on: 07 August 2019, 09:40:16 »

As I understand the chlorinated chicken thing, it's not the actual chlorine wash that is considered harmful, but that standards for rearing chickens are lower in the US so disinfecting the carcasses is considered necessary.  :-\

That said, if people think that chicken reared in places like Romania is done to the same standards as here then they are frankly deluded, and remember there is no requirement for it to be labelled as from Romania just the EU.  ;)

We import a lot of chicken from Thailand as well, if you look at the ingredients on a ready meal or chicken sandwich odds are the chicken is from Thailand.  I wouldn't fancy looking around a Thai chicken farm to be honest...  :(

All said and done if American chicken is clearly labelled, let the consumer decide what they want to buy and I don't believe that it is massively cheaper than UK chicken anyway especially with transport costs to consider.  ::)

American people appear to be well fed!  :)

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Re: Trade deals
« Reply #3 on: 07 August 2019, 09:51:57 »

As I understand the chlorinated chicken thing, it's not the actual chlorine wash that is considered harmful, but that standards for rearing chickens are lower in the US so disinfecting the carcasses is considered necessary.  :-\

That said, if people think that chicken reared in places like Romania is done to the same standards as here then they are frankly deluded, and remember there is no requirement for it to be labelled as from Romania just the EU.  ;)

We import a lot of chicken from Thailand as well, if you look at the ingredients on a ready meal or chicken sandwich odds are the chicken is from Thailand.  I wouldn't fancy looking around a Thai chicken farm to be honest...  :(

All said and done if American chicken is clearly labelled, let the consumer decide what they want to buy and I don't believe that it is massively cheaper than UK chicken anyway especially with transport costs to consider.  ::)

American people appear to be well fed!  :)

Yes, because they eat plenty of beef steaks and beef burgers ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;)

Seriously though, I agree that the consumer should be allowed to decide.  I and our family have eaten plenty of food in the States and come to no harm whatsoever.  For me, all this is more scare mongering. :)
« Last Edit: 07 August 2019, 09:55:17 by Lizzie Zoom »
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Re: Trade deals
« Reply #4 on: 07 August 2019, 10:25:15 »

I don't think humans should eat chicken under any circumstances. They are filthy unclean creatures and smell like sh1t when cooked. Why would anyone want to eat them or their eggs (which also smell like sh1t) bemuses me. :-\
If I were forced to eat chicken, having it washed in chlorine first would seem like a good idea. At least it might kill of the bacteria they are riddled with.  :)
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Re: Trade deals
« Reply #5 on: 07 August 2019, 12:41:30 »

As I understand the chlorinated chicken thing, it's not the actual chlorine wash that is considered harmful, but that standards for rearing chickens are lower in the US so disinfecting the carcasses is considered necessary.  :-\

That said, if people think that chicken reared in places like Romania is done to the same standards as here then they are frankly deluded, and remember there is no requirement for it to be labelled as from Romania just the EU.  ;)

We import a lot of chicken from Thailand as well, if you look at the ingredients on a ready meal or chicken sandwich odds are the chicken is from Thailand.  I wouldn't fancy looking around a Thai chicken farm to be honest...  :(

All said and done if American chicken is clearly labelled, let the consumer decide what they want to buy and I don't believe that it is massively cheaper than UK chicken anyway especially with transport costs to consider.  ::)

American people appear to be well fed!  :)

This may be an understatement......The USA knows how to produce proper fat bastards. ;D

Here in Blighty we just play at it...... ;)




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Re: Trade deals
« Reply #6 on: 07 August 2019, 12:43:25 »

I don't think humans should eat chicken under any circumstances. They are filthy unclean creatures and smell like sh1t when cooked. Why would anyone want to eat them or their eggs (which also smell like sh1t) bemuses me. :-\
If I were forced to eat chicken, having it washed in chlorine first would seem like a good idea. At least it might kill of the bacteria they are riddled with.  :)

I like chicken with the exception of the stringy grease laden crap that comes in a cardboard box. :)
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Re: Trade deals
« Reply #7 on: 07 August 2019, 12:50:25 »

I don't think humans should eat chicken under any circumstances. They are filthy unclean creatures and smell like sh1t when cooked. Why would anyone want to eat them or their eggs (which also smell like sh1t) bemuses me. :-\
If I were forced to eat chicken, having it washed in chlorine first would seem like a good idea. At least it might kill of the bacteria they are riddled with.  :)

Seems that having to eat a plate of Coq au vin would be Albs worst nightmare!  ;D
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Re: Trade deals
« Reply #8 on: 07 August 2019, 15:42:36 »

Roast chicken, curried chicken, KFC.......all delicious, and I've eaten plenty in my time. As I'm ten years older, and ten times fitter, than Albs, I wouldn't worry too much.  ;D
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Re: Trade deals
« Reply #9 on: 07 August 2019, 20:46:53 »

I love the smell and taste of roast chicken,it's on the menu here every second Sunday.Tried some of the "colonels" special recipe chicken once and found it to be overpriced rubbish.Main reason I asked whether it was chlorinated for export only or also for their domestic market was that the yanks don't seem to do so badly on it so I couldn't understand the fuss and why it always seemed to be mentioned when talk of post Brexit trade deals were mentioned.
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« Reply #10 on: 07 August 2019, 21:27:38 »

As I understand it all their chicken is washed in chlorine Baza, and I think you'll find that there are less incidences proportionally (per 100,000 people) of food poisoning (salmonella and campylobactor) in the US than the EU.  :-\

Whether that's because of the chlorine wash, or that the Yanks cook the opps out of their food, I couldn't say.  :)

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Re: Trade deals
« Reply #11 on: 07 August 2019, 21:54:58 »

If you need to avoid chlorine then don't ever use tap water for cooking or drinks as it is used to purify the water. US & EU have different standards, some like a ban on trans fats are better in the US & others better in the EU, but neither are much worse than each other.

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Re: Trade deals
« Reply #12 on: 08 August 2019, 10:58:29 »

As I understand it all their chicken is washed in chlorine Baza, and I think you'll find that there are less incidences proportionally (per 100,000 people) of food poisoning (salmonella and campylobactor) in the US than the EU.  :-\

Whether that's because of the chlorine wash, or that the Yanks cook the opps out of their food, I couldn't say.  :)

Considering pretty much everything over there gets cooked in Castrol 20/50 for about 30mins at 250 degrees, I'm amazed anything (including the food survives!
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Re: Trade deals
« Reply #13 on: 08 August 2019, 13:31:29 »

Having been involved in food for a few years now, If the public knew, we would all Starve,  The only way to be safe is grow your own, same as Animals grow your own.then you can be sure
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Re: Trade deals
« Reply #14 on: 08 August 2019, 17:05:26 »

I'm partial to the Colonel's secret recipe of 11 herbs and spices.

But it doesn't like me.  I can time it almost to the minute before its fully worked its way through  :-[
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« Reply #15 on: 08 August 2019, 18:31:39 »

I'm partial to the Colonel's secret recipe of 11 herbs and spices.

But it doesn't like me.  I can time it almost to the minute before its fully worked its way through  :-[
That's good. Well...much better than if you had no idea.  ;D
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« Reply #16 on: 09 August 2019, 17:57:34 »

The EU and US have struck a deal to increase the American share of the quota of duty free beef imported into the EU from $150 million to $420 million a year.  :)

We didn't see this reported by the BBC, Guardian, Channel 4 or any of the UK media come to that.  ::)

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-europe/trump-eu-officials-announce-deal-to-sell-more-american-beef-to-europe-idUSKCN1US1A3
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Re: Trade deals
« Reply #17 on: 09 August 2019, 18:21:55 »

I'm partial to the Colonel's secret recipe of 11 herbs and spices.

But it doesn't like me.  I can time it almost to the minute before its fully worked its way through  :-[
That's good. Well...much better than if you had no idea.  ;D

It's even better if you have enough warning to get to the potty, mind. ;D
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« Reply #18 on: 09 August 2019, 19:29:14 »

I'm partial to the Colonel's secret recipe of 11 herbs and spices.

But it doesn't like me.  I can time it almost to the minute before its fully worked its way through  :-[
That's good. Well...much better than if you had no idea.  ;D

I seem to remember that you could do with such a system. ::) ;D
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« Reply #19 on: 09 August 2019, 20:00:48 »

I'm partial to the Colonel's secret recipe of 11 herbs and spices.

But it doesn't like me.  I can time it almost to the minute before its fully worked its way through  :-[
That's good. Well...much better than if you had no idea.  ;D

I seem to remember that you could do with such a system. ::) ;D
The cork-up-arse system is working very well, thank you.  ;D
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« Reply #20 on: 09 August 2019, 20:27:48 »

I'm partial to the Colonel's secret recipe of 11 herbs and spices.

But it doesn't like me.  I can time it almost to the minute before its fully worked its way through  :-[
That's good. Well...much better than if you had no idea.  ;D

I seem to remember that you could do with such a system. ::) ;D
The cork-up-arse system is working very well, thank you.  ;D
Right uto the point that you relaxed...   :o
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