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Probable outage soon
« on: 09 August 2019, 17:16:15 »

We've been running on a generator for a while this afternoon due to a power cut.  Not entirely how waterproof the genny is, so it may have to go off at the next shower.

This is compounded by one of the UPS' refusing to charge, so we're down to a non resilient physical server/storage, because things are sent to try us.

Apologies upfront, but its liable to be without warning :(
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Re: Probable outage soon
« Reply #1 on: 09 August 2019, 17:29:30 »

We all have the odd outage from time to time, so it's alright.  :)
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Re: Probable outage soon
« Reply #2 on: 09 August 2019, 18:05:13 »

Ah....that explains why Brackley was suddenly devoid of electricity this afternoon. Just got tilled out at Tesco's when the place went into darkness. Covered the whole of Brackley !!! :)
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« Reply #3 on: 09 August 2019, 18:12:26 »

Ah....that explains why Brackley was suddenly devoid of electricity this afternoon. Just got tilled out at Tesco's when the place went into darkness. Covered the whole of Brackley !!! :)
It covered a far wider area than just Brakkers ;)
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Re: Probable outage soon
« Reply #4 on: 09 August 2019, 18:13:27 »

One server is back on mains (via its UPS), the other is still on genny, as its UPS won't tolerate a power outage, and is currently charging very slowly.
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Re: Probable outage soon
« Reply #5 on: 09 August 2019, 18:20:53 »

Ah....that explains why Brackley was suddenly devoid of electricity this afternoon. Just got tilled out at Tesco's when the place went into darkness. Covered the whole of Brackley !!! :)

So, no sooner do you stock up the freezer again than it runs out of leccy? ;D
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Re: Probable outage soon
« Reply #6 on: 09 August 2019, 19:36:47 »

Ah....that explains why Brackley was suddenly devoid of electricity this afternoon. Just got tilled out at Tesco's when the place went into darkness. Covered the whole of Brackley !!! :)

So, no sooner do you stock up the freezer again than it runs out of leccy? ;D
And not the slightest hint of irony ;D
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« Reply #7 on: 10 August 2019, 20:22:04 »

This affected 500,000 people in London, Midlands & Wales where there was an offshore bird slaughterers farm issue & it's backup fossil fuel power station not kicking in due to problems & resultant grid collapse. It is why the Australian government is building a vast new range of next generation power stations, where South Australia has had several total grid collapses along with the privilege of having the world's most expensive electricity from their bird slaughterers. In their last GE Labour promised to reverse this decision & lost where Australians have had enough of rare expensive electricity! :-[ Germany is doing the same to stop the continued offshoring of companies for cheap reliable electricity from Polish coal fired power stations. German YOY industrial production figures last month show it was down 3.7%.

Windmills in the 18th century & cargo sailing ships in the 19th century have been abandoned as such intermittent power sources are not practical ways of running industrialised societies. Where our MPs are determined to wind the clock back in this country to the pre-industrial revolution one, expect to have the same standards of living again. Swell. :(
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Re: Probable outage soon
« Reply #8 on: 10 August 2019, 20:42:55 »

As I previously said many times, the national grid is dangerously close to capacity ,and antiquated  :(
our coal power stations had just been fitted with catalytic converters and emission controls then cut up for scrap  :'(
the knob jockey politicians need to look at how much environmental impact scrapping working systems in favour of "green energy" ,which is NOT green by the time you scrap stuff,recycle it,mine raw materials for new "green technology" ,process it all, then ship or fly it half way round the world to implement it.

 
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Re: Probable outage soon
« Reply #9 on: 10 August 2019, 21:18:54 »

The glass fibre resin blades only have about a 20 year life & can't be recycled & the same applies to solar panels which have several nasty chemicals in them.
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Re: Probable outage soon
« Reply #10 on: 10 August 2019, 21:43:30 »

As I previously said many times, the national grid is dangerously close to capacity ,and antiquated  :( ....

You sure? How will we recharge our electric cars then?  ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Re: Probable outage soon
« Reply #11 on: 10 August 2019, 23:16:25 »

This affected 500,000 people in London, Midlands & Wales where there was an offshore bird slaughterers farm issue & it's backup fossil fuel power station not kicking in due to problems & resultant grid collapse. It is why the Australian government is building a vast new range of next generation power stations, where South Australia has had several total grid collapses along with the privilege of having the world's most expensive electricity from their bird slaughterers. In their last GE Labour promised to reverse this decision & lost where Australians have had enough of rare expensive electricity! :-[ Germany is doing the same to stop the continued offshoring of companies for cheap reliable electricity from Polish coal fired power stations. German YOY industrial production figures last month show it was down 3.7%.

Windmills in the 18th century & cargo sailing ships in the 19th century have been abandoned as such intermittent power sources are not practical ways of running industrialised societies. Where our MPs are determined to wind the clock back in this country to the pre-industrial revolution one, expect to have the same standards of living again. Swell. :(

Well done for missing that a natural gas powerstation dropped before the wind farm and that it was the two simultaneous failures that caused the outage.

Laughably selective with your information as ever rods.

Oh and the only proper study into bird deaths that I could find (Sovacool 2009) showed that wind turbines caused 0.3-0.4 fatalities per GWh electricity produced compared to 5.2 for fossil fuels.

But please, tell us again about how many Twitter followers you preach to.
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Re: Probable outage soon
« Reply #12 on: 11 August 2019, 10:05:14 »

I suspect the wind farm was turned off for safety reasons, due to high winds, although the current green agenda will mean that's unlikely to be announced, as the Daily Fail and co will headline with wind farms can't handle wind.

As the grid would have been aware that some of the silly wind things were at risk of approaching their working safe limits, you can bet they had as many traditional generating systems running at full capacity due to the time they take to fire up, and the stored energy ones fully ready on standby.  And possibly a lot of the renewables were already off for forementioned safety limits.


If that theory is correct, it shows we currently have too much reliance on ultimately unreliable renewables.  The Bedford one might have actually failed due to not being fed enough power to run it - which was what happened at Chernobyl in the 80s, but again we'll never know, because there are other agendas at play.

Although the power cuts were widespread, they were patchy, which shows the grid were managing it - this will be so much easier when smart meters are universal.


And for those that believe entirely on the announced timings, my UPS logs show my power had gone off significantly before the stated times of the 2 generator failures, and had been browning out before that, which shows the power availability was already under pressure, and that cuts were already being managed.  So something smells.
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Re: Probable outage soon
« Reply #13 on: 11 August 2019, 11:30:54 »

As I previously said many times, the national grid is dangerously close to capacity ,and antiquated  :( ....

You sure? How will we recharge our electric cars then?  ::) ::) ::) ::)
you tell me  :-\
batteries from pound land  :D

or we need to spend billions updating the grid ,which will cause massive disruption and cost billions

The DNO's have been downgrading 100 amp cut outs to 60 amps for many years
check what yours is if it's labeled ,obviously take care,just a visual inspection
no removing seals or wiggling the DNO's cables (which may be loose if you had a smart meter installed by some ex Tesco shelf stacker , who's only had a few weeks training )



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Re: Probable outage soon
« Reply #14 on: 11 August 2019, 11:59:50 »

We're about to go the other way. Our 60 amp (1970's original) is getting an upgrade.

A 5 bed house with 1 bed annex and charging my milk float, probably won't end well with a 60a supply  ;D
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