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Re: Driving in sea/salt water
« Reply #30 on: 03 September 2019, 08:08:55 »

Presumably it gets properly serviced though, which is something that cannot always be said once Jo Public get their mits on one...
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Re: Driving in sea/salt water
« Reply #31 on: 03 September 2019, 08:15:33 »

If I dropped 15k on Dacia duster, 35k on a Kia sorento or 75-100k on a FF RR, ...

I should find the video of the Dacia and the RRS in Romania .. the RRS is stuck at the bottom of a snow covered unmade road and the Dacia drives around him and straight up the hill like it's not there ;D (Likely a demonstration of tyres and lack of driver skill rather than the car, of course..)
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Re: Driving in sea/salt water
« Reply #32 on: 03 September 2019, 17:35:24 »

I'd agree there is probably quite a lot in the perception point. But then again why wouldn't there be?

If I dropped 15k on Dacia duster, 35k on a Kia sorento or 75-100k on a FF RR, my expectations of those three cars would be vastly different in every respect, and I would (quite rightly in my view) be ready to lose my sh!t if my FF RR emitted so much as a squeek or rattle.

And therin lies my problem with JLR products, even the bang up to date ones (I'm thinking of the i-pace specifically) have pieces of cr@p design and flaws which are just unnaceptable at their price point.

I have been hacking about in a 405 a bit recently and despite the fact its an abused work lump, I had a bit of a eureka moment.

Basically, I never got why people bought one, but having stuck about 1k miles on a full fat, it suddenly occurs to you that the almost silent cabin, super smooth ride, massive power and supreme comfort delivers a 'happy' place to be and is totally effortless.

No issues, squeaks or anything at all with this one and its been badly treated and has plenty of war wounds.
Just too conking big for my driveway, so excluded as a possibly future run around :(
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Re: Driving in sea/salt water
« Reply #33 on: 03 September 2019, 17:40:06 »

If I dropped 15k on Dacia duster, 35k on a Kia sorento or 75-100k on a FF RR, ...

I should find the video of the Dacia and the RRS in Romania .. the RRS is stuck at the bottom of a snow covered unmade road and the Dacia drives around him and straight up the hill like it's not there ;D (Likely a demonstration of tyres and lack of driver skill rather than the car, of course..)
Driver skill.  Remember about 15yrs ago at Silverstone one wet F1, and the media caught on film a couple of Range Rovers being stuck on what is essentially a flat field, and going nowhere despite 350bhp being applied to all wheels?

What is less well known is that Landrover contacted all owners that they could ascertain were there, and sent them on a freebie off road course, to learn how to drive ;D

If anyone thinks there is a more capable road going luxury SUV, they misunderstand the capabilities of a FF RR.
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Re: Driving in sea/salt water
« Reply #34 on: 03 September 2019, 19:38:50 »

The SV Autobiography Dynamic looks a snip at 144,000  ::)
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Re: Driving in sea/salt water
« Reply #35 on: 03 September 2019, 19:41:22 »

Sorry.......from 144,000.
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Re: Driving in sea/salt water
« Reply #36 on: 03 September 2019, 19:50:26 »

Just specced mine up the way I'd like it......192,000  ;D
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Re: Driving in sea/salt water
« Reply #37 on: 03 September 2019, 19:51:25 »

All I've got to do now is sell my house and get a bank loan.
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Re: Driving in sea/salt water
« Reply #38 on: 03 September 2019, 19:56:10 »

All I've got to do now is sell my house and get a bank loan.
and a ramp to get the mut up into it  ;)
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Re: Driving in sea/salt water
« Reply #39 on: 03 September 2019, 20:02:49 »

All I've got to do now is sell my house and get a bank loan.
and a ramp to get the mut up into it  ;)
I specced an electric mutt putter inner.  ;D
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Re: Driving in sea/salt water
« Reply #40 on: 03 September 2019, 20:08:05 »

All I've got to do now is sell my house and get a bank loan.
and a ramp to get the mut up into it  ;)
I specced an electric mutt putter inner.  ;D
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Re: Driving in sea/salt water
« Reply #41 on: 03 September 2019, 20:38:58 »

All I've got to do now is sell my house and get a bank loan.
and a ramp to get the mut up into it  ;)
I specced an electric mutt putter inner.  ;D
Do they do a Mother putter inner?
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Re: Driving in sea/salt water
« Reply #42 on: 03 September 2019, 20:40:58 »

All I've got to do now is sell my house and get a bank loan.
and a ramp to get the mut up into it  ;)
I specced an electric mutt putter inner.  ;D

Is that a robot with a size 12 boot?  ???  ;D
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Re: Driving in sea/salt water
« Reply #43 on: 03 September 2019, 21:37:08 »

If anyone thinks there is a more capable road going luxury SUV, they misunderstand the capabilities of a FF RR.

No direct ownership experience of a 405, or 322. But our family certainly but two P38s through their paces in the 12years or so they owned them. Towed up to, and in excess of the 3.5t limit and tested the off road ability as much as anyone who doesn't do it for sport.

My criticisms of that car would be two-fold. Firstly no suitable engine - the 2.5d and 4.0 we had were both arthritic (4.0 was better but still not adequate), going to the 4.6 only traded a few bhp for an engine made of chocolate.  ::)

The second was reliability, not the drivetrain as such, this had faults, but was worked hard. The issue was electronics, air suspension and general poor design (failed door lock meant that the LR advice was to cut the door off).

I have first hand experience of L322s - fixing countless faults that shouldn't have been there in the first place. The 405 is getting no better reports than the 322 did, so I've no reason to believe it's any better. That said, I would love one, as cars go, they are about as "me" as cars get, but I just don't think I could live with one.

My point? Focussing on off-road ability and other attributes that are used by 0.1- 0.01%.of buyers rather than designing and screwinf together cars properly seems rather counter intuitive.
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Re: Driving in sea/salt water
« Reply #44 on: 03 September 2019, 23:08:10 »

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-reviews/14299/range-rover-vs-gl450

A slightly conflicting article/test which suggests that the last L322 is better all round than the Merc GL...

This is in spite on the only two things that the RR does better being slightly more economical and subjectively being a nicer place to be... Turn to the facts and figures, the GL wins hands down in spite of the depreciation being given as straight numbers rather than as a percentage ::)
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