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No one has mentioned the B word for a while
« on: 04 September 2019, 18:35:56 »

So I will. Boris got another kicking this afternoon and I really can't see any way that he can carry his promises from now in. I just hope we are reaching some sort of endgame.
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Re: No one has mentioned the B word for a while
« Reply #1 on: 04 September 2019, 18:41:43 »

They must be laughing their tits off in Brussels!  ::)

Although the Grauniad complains that Tory peers have tabled a hundred odd amendments to the No Deal Bill in the Lords, in an effort to slow its progress so that it hasn't passed by the time Parliament is prorogued.  :)

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Re: No one has mentioned the B word for a while
« Reply #2 on: 04 September 2019, 19:54:41 »

We havent heard anything about Borisís alternative to the Irish backstop that Merkel gave him thirty days to come up with.

Maybe he gave up when Barnier said the backstop was the best offer the EU would entertain.
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Re: No one has mentioned the B word for a while
« Reply #3 on: 04 September 2019, 20:19:28 »

Just checked the bookies odds that we leave the EU between July-December 2019. 5:4 on that we leave & if Boris frustrates this bill & others until 31/10 we will have left & EU law will no longer override UK law by the automatic repealing of the 1987 Single European Act & the only way to become a member again would be to reapply & have a referendum, where Cameron's law requiring a referendum for a new EU treaty still applies. What could possibly go wrong? ::) ::) ::)
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Re: No one has mentioned the B word for a while
« Reply #4 on: 04 September 2019, 20:23:00 »

Just checked the bookies odds that we leave the EU between July-December 2019. 5:4 on that we leave & if Boris frustrates this bill & others until 31/10 we will have left & EU law will no longer override UK law by the automatic repealing of the 1987 Single European Act & the only way to become a member again would be to reapply & have a referendum, where Cameron's law requiring a referendum for a new EU treaty still applies. What could possibly go wrong? ::) ::) ::)
Yes, but it's also 1/3 that we won't leave without a deal.

https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/brexit
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Re: No one has mentioned the B word for a while
« Reply #5 on: 04 September 2019, 21:01:59 »

We havent heard anything about Borisís alternative to the Irish backstop that Merkel gave him thirty days to come up with.

Maybe he gave up when Barnier said the backstop was the best offer the EU would entertain.

Apparently he is now talking about an all Ireland agri area, whatever that is.
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Re: No one has mentioned the B word for a while
« Reply #6 on: 04 September 2019, 21:02:48 »

We havent heard anything about Borisís alternative to the Irish backstop that Merkel gave him thirty days to come up with.

Maybe he gave up when Barnier said the backstop was the best offer the EU would entertain.

Apparently he is now talking about an all Ireland agri area, whatever that is.
That's aggro, Albs....aggro  ;D
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Re: No one has mentioned the B word for a while
« Reply #7 on: 04 September 2019, 21:05:25 »

That's ok then. Were used to that, so it will be easy to implement.
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Re: No one has mentioned the B word for a while
« Reply #8 on: 04 September 2019, 21:06:44 »

Seems to me that it's all very well our parliament trying to stop no deal and getting yet another extension past the end of October but who/what says the EU would agree a further extension?They claim to be doing this for the good of the country but in reality they're virtually crippling it with all the uncertainty.A no deal exit wouldn't be the best outcome but at least everyone would then know for certain what they're facing rather than all this leaving/not leaving,deal/no deal
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Re: No one has mentioned the B word for a while
« Reply #9 on: 04 September 2019, 22:01:51 »

Seems to me that it's all very well our parliament trying to stop no deal and getting yet another extension past the end of October but who/what says the EU would agree a further extension?They claim to be doing this for the good of the country but in reality they're virtually crippling it with all the uncertainty.A no deal exit wouldn't be the best outcome but at least everyone would then know for certain what they're facing rather than all this leaving/not leaving,deal/no deal

They (The EU) have already said that a General Election or Second Referendum would be grounds for an extension. And they don't want to be seen to effectively boot us out with 'no deal'. If we ask for an extension for a GE or Ref2 I'm 99% certain they will agree. Other than because they're getting annoyed at us there is no real reason for them not to agree.
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Re: No one has mentioned the B word for a while
« Reply #10 on: 04 September 2019, 22:05:48 »

Just checked the bookies odds that we leave the EU between July-December 2019. 5:4 on that we leave & if Boris frustrates this bill & others until 31/10 we will have left & EU law will no longer override UK law by the automatic repealing of the 1987 Single European Act & the only way to become a member again would be to reapply & have a referendum, where Cameron's law requiring a referendum for a new EU treaty still applies. What could possibly go wrong? ::) ::) ::)

Huh? Not aware of that. But even if it is correct, any future UK Parliament can repeal "Cameron's law" because Parliament is and always was Sovereign. It just needs a majority of MP's to vote for it's repeal and it's gone.
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Re: No one has mentioned the B word for a while
« Reply #11 on: 04 September 2019, 22:25:42 »

Some forget that the Government has already signed into law legislation to repeal the Act of Parliament which set in stone Britainís EU (EEC) membership in 1972. That means we can leave on 31 October.

Also, the Lords are debating over 100 amendments to yesterday's no-deal bill, while the Kinnock amendment (calling for May's WA to be dragged back again) went through without a vote Ė apparently because the government failed to provide a teller. Funnily enough, though, that amendment hasn't been debated by the Lords, meaning that, following the debate and, even assuming it is passed without amendment, it would then be sent back to the Commons for a vote and Royal Assent. Basically, this ties the Lords up so much that there would be no time for all that before prorogation. Methinks the failure to provide a teller wasn't a mistake.

Also Parliament won't let Boris call an election, so it looks like full-speed ahead.

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Re: No one has mentioned the B word for a while
« Reply #12 on: 04 September 2019, 22:43:57 »

Just checked the bookies odds that we leave the EU between July-December 2019. 5:4 on that we leave & if Boris frustrates this bill & others until 31/10 we will have left & EU law will no longer override UK law by the automatic repealing of the 1987 Single European Act & the only way to become a member again would be to reapply & have a referendum, where Cameron's law requiring a referendum for a new EU treaty still applies. What could possibly go wrong? ::) ::) ::)

Huh? Not aware of that. But even if it is correct, any future UK Parliament can repeal "Cameron's law" because Parliament is and always was Sovereign. It just needs a majority of MP's to vote for it's repeal and it's gone.

Yes the European Union Act 2011 was introduced by the coalition government following Labour's failure to hold a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty which was a 2005 General Election manifesto commitment.  ::)

According to Wiki 'The Act is largely repealed by the European Union Withdrawal Act 2018'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_Act_2011
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Re: No one has mentioned the B word for a while
« Reply #13 on: 04 September 2019, 22:59:51 »

Surprise. The Bank of England are now saying no deal not as bad as they thought.

Bit late now. You fanned the flames and the lemmings have gone.
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Re: No one has mentioned the B word for a while
« Reply #14 on: 04 September 2019, 23:37:17 »

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