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Escalating violent retail crime
« on: 10 September 2019, 20:21:07 »

Where this country is descending towards South Africa in terms of violent crime & murder rates, where you are killed & then mugged as it is quicker & easier. In London a new trend is heading in that direction where they now tazer you & rob you so you can't fight back. >:( 25% of house burglaries in London are now carried when one or more resident is in the property where they target the old, disabled & ill. >:( London murder rates are now one every two to three days. >:(

Retailers are increasingly on the frontline with a rapid rise of violent shoplifting, attacks, threats & violent robberies, so for every 1000 shops there are now almost 1500 serious crimes against them each year. All of the political parties are soft on crime & its causes & the Tories are talking about no jail for any sentence of less than 6 months, I'm not sure anything will be done until we are like South Africa. >:(

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49647749

Where I live in a small town of 20,000, burglaries are rising as is street crime & antisocial behaviour. I know several people that have had expensive cars stolen with wide area keys used, along with several almost new motorbikes. >:(
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Re: Escalating violent retail crime
« Reply #1 on: 10 September 2019, 20:26:56 »

Same in Spain. Barcelona is bad for violent crimes just to steal a smart phone.

I know someone who works in a village Co op in the UK. The staff are told not to tackle shoplifters.
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Re: Escalating violent retail crime
« Reply #2 on: 10 September 2019, 21:30:18 »

In the retail trade we frequently suffered from criminal activity, from burglaries, thefts, arson, embezzlement, fraud, often involving our staff!

External crime was also always with us. Burglary was common, so was robbery, let alone assaults on staff from shoplifters and the like. Knives, fists, spit, and general assault all happened, with the increasing need for CCTV, and advanced alarm systems linked to the various security monitoring companies.

What is different now is of course the increased level of violent crime aimed at the staff, and it is happening in areas that were once considered "free from crime", or at least hardly ever happened.

Why?  Simples, because:
1) police staffing has fallen dramatically;
2) society is populated with individuals who have no morals, who do not respect the law, and know that 95% of the time they will "get away with it"
 3) if and when a culprit, sorry, suspect is caught the evidence has to be so watertight for the CPS to even think about charges;
 4) then if eventually convicted a suspended prison sentence or a community order is the worst they can expect!

Until our society teaches and adheres to the rules of "respect" and moral disciplines, which our dear leaders often seem to break, and the rules, regulations, and penalties for indiscipline are vigoursly enforces from the first year at school to being an OAP, then it can only get worse.

It is down to us to DEMAND that our politicians change their ways via the voting system, whilst we all look at ourselves and question how we act, what we do, and the example we are setting the young.

The retail counter was in the past a great place for social interaction; communities often used those places to talk through issues and communicate to others what was upsetting or pleasing the general population around that shop. Now, with local shops decimated, and large retailers getting rid of staff, or inhibiting their freedom to talk to "the regulars" and general customers, with "smart" or at least self check outs becoming the increasing norm, the old advantages to whole communities given by local friendly retailers and their staff is going. That is leading to the general loss of respect for the retail unit as it just becomes a place to go and buy your requirements, or just nick from!

Staff are now faceless and easy targets for the yobs and generally unscrupulous members of the public who come from across the generations. Very sad, and upsetting to see this change in my life time, which is, I fear, almost irreversible. Only an act of God, or a dramatic change in political and social norms will change things! >:( >:(  >:(
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Re: Escalating violent retail crime
« Reply #3 on: 10 September 2019, 22:21:46 »

Same in Spain. Barcelona is bad for violent crimes just to steal a smart phone.

I know someone who works in a village Co op in the UK. The staff are told not to tackle shoplifters.

Figures for Barcelona an average sized city is 13 deaths this year so far and 40 violent crimes reported per day..... Most are down to Romani gangs apparently.
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Re: Escalating violent retail crime
« Reply #4 on: 11 September 2019, 08:23:26 »

At the rate high street shops are closing retail crime will soon be a thing of the past ::) I still think the problems begin with the parents,of those that can be bothered with their kids there is not much they can do in terms of discipline because of the increasing nanny state saying you can't deprive them of anything as it's abuse/against human rights etc.
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Re: Escalating violent retail crime
« Reply #5 on: 11 September 2019, 11:30:08 »

Its rising in this country, because everyone knows its now an uninvestigated crime.
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Re: Escalating violent retail crime
« Reply #6 on: 11 September 2019, 11:34:21 »

Uninvestigated, TB, because Plod is far too busy persecuting motorists and collecting revenue!

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Re: Escalating violent retail crime
« Reply #7 on: 11 September 2019, 11:36:26 »

The right to defend your property becomes quite a muddied area if you're an employee rather than a business owner... Which is a shame as vermin should be humanely* shot.

*by humanely, I mean using a projectile with a hollow point...
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Re: Escalating violent retail crime
« Reply #8 on: 11 September 2019, 11:42:42 »

The right to defend your property becomes quite a muddied area if you're an employee rather than a business owner... Which is a shame as vermin should be humanely* shot.

*by humanely, I mean using a projectile with a hollow point...
Bloody liberals.  All forms of torture then death should be used.
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Re: Escalating violent retail crime
« Reply #9 on: 11 September 2019, 12:01:21 »

Not really sure that Liberal covers it ;D

More an efficiency issue... The scale of the problem demands a simple, quick solution. We simply don't have time to torture them first.
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Re: Escalating violent retail crime
« Reply #10 on: 11 September 2019, 12:38:54 »

There was a shooting in London a couple of days ago where someone was trying to steal a car at gunpoint and his shotgun accidentally went off killing him.  ::)

Apparently the local MP tweeted her condolences to the family of the victim...  :-X

I can only think that her thoughts were with the family of the victim of the attempted carjacking which must have been traumatic, especially having an idiot blast himself with a 12 bore right in front of you!  :o  ::)

But....  ::)
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Re: Escalating violent retail crime
« Reply #11 on: 11 September 2019, 13:43:01 »

In the retail trade we frequently suffered from criminal activity, from burglaries, thefts, arson, embezzlement, fraud, often involving our staff!

External crime was also always with us. Burglary was common, so was robbery, let alone assaults on staff from shoplifters and the like. Knives, fists, spit, and general assault all happened, with the increasing need for CCTV, and advanced alarm systems linked to the various security monitoring companies.

What is different now is of course the increased level of violent crime aimed at the staff, and it is happening in areas that were once considered "free from crime", or at least hardly ever happened.

Why?  Simples, because:
1) police staffing has fallen dramatically;
2) society is populated with individuals who have no morals, who do not respect the law, and know that 95% of the time they will "get away with it"
 3) if and when a culprit, sorry, suspect is caught the evidence has to be so watertight for the CPS to even think about charges;
 4) then if eventually convicted a suspended prison sentence or a community order is the worst they can expect!

Until our society teaches and adheres to the rules of "respect" and moral disciplines, which our dear leaders often seem to break, and the rules, regulations, and penalties for indiscipline are vigoursly enforces from the first year at school to being an OAP, then it can only get worse.

It is down to us to DEMAND that our politicians change their ways via the voting system, whilst we all look at ourselves and question how we act, what we do, and the example we are setting the young.

The retail counter was in the past a great place for social interaction; communities often used those places to talk through issues and communicate to others what was upsetting or pleasing the general population around that shop. Now, with local shops decimated, and large retailers getting rid of staff, or inhibiting their freedom to talk to "the regulars" and general customers, with "smart" or at least self check outs becoming the increasing norm, the old advantages to whole communities given by local friendly retailers and their staff is going. That is leading to the general loss of respect for the retail unit as it just becomes a place to go and buy your requirements, or just nick from!

Staff are now faceless and easy targets for the yobs and generally unscrupulous members of the public who come from across the generations. Very sad, and upsetting to see this change in my life time, which is, I fear, almost irreversible. Only an act of God, or a dramatic change in political and social norms will change things! >:( >:(  >:(

17.4m of us did & 3 years later how are the establishment & Westminster politicians getting on with implementing this?

In the past there was always the suspicion that UK democracy was a sham, now the politician's masks have slipped with no pretence for this or any of the rules that accompanied the sham. We now know that we don't live in a democracy & the politicians no longer have to play the pretend game by being moderate & accountable to pretend that we do. This country is now heading into very dark totalitarianism places & probably a Corbyn, McDonnell Labour, LibDem, SNP, Green Marxist dictatorship where all businesses & property will be nationalized & the only mega rich will be the political elite dictators at the top as they plunder all our wealth. >:( >:( >:(
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