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Better front brakes
« on: 10 August 2020, 22:23:52 »

Hi

I have known for a while my front discs are buggered, still chunky but one of the calipers was seized a while back and the back of both discs are pitted. Anyhoo I'm thinking of getting a set of mintex front pads/discs. Is this a good buy or recommend any other ones?

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Re: Better front brakes
« Reply #1 on: 10 August 2020, 22:26:21 »

All post '98 have the same front brakes... 296x28. (286x24 for 2.0).

2.6/3.2 also have vented rears. 286x20 (286x12 for rest).
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Re: Better front brakes
« Reply #2 on: 10 August 2020, 23:39:09 »

Before you buy anything I suggest you PM member Keith ABS and see if he can help you out.

Best results are had with genuine GM front pads. The Vauxhall Tradeclub GM pads are part number 9192124, still available via ebay for around £20 a set. The factory original pads are Jurid (GM #9195077) and scarce as hen's teeth, last I saw a 'genuine' set was north of £60.

Use QH or Delphi discs. Forget Mintex.

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Re: Better front brakes
« Reply #3 on: 11 August 2020, 00:52:39 »

I have fitted Comline discs to several vehicles now, and I am very impressed with their quality and fitment. They are coated which prevents the unsightly premature rusting of the hub which occurs quickly with uncoated discs. Comline are a UK company based in Luton, and also supply pads under the brands of Allied Nippon, as well as Comline (there is no difference in quality of the two - just marketing brands). The pedal feel and stopping power is good from just a few miles of use, and their cost is very reasonable. I get mine from my local motor factors next day if not in stock - notably cheaper than Ebay as there is no postage factored into the price.
Just my thoughts - everyone has their own preferences but they get full marks from my point of view. I used to fit Mintex, but over the last few years, I haven't been particularly impressed with them.
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Re: Better front brakes
« Reply #4 on: 11 August 2020, 06:36:19 »

Thanks all for input so far, I wasn't sure if it was worth the extra cost for uprated brakes as I don't really need them if I'm brutally honest. I have been used to my brakes being a bit wooden and I know it is front discs need changed, I rebuilt all the back with new GM discs and pads and it improved the brakes quite a bit. I might just go down the standard route thinking on it.

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Re: Better front brakes
« Reply #5 on: 11 August 2020, 08:26:49 »

Standard size brakes aren't an upgrade ???

Unless you think that drilled discs are somehow special...
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Re: Better front brakes
« Reply #6 on: 11 August 2020, 09:12:11 »

The Mintex stuff you buy from motor factors (and ebay/amazon/insert overpriced tat bazaar) are very much budget items.

I have always gone back to GM discs and pads on the Omega, they just work, and work well, and take a lot of abuse.  Obviously, if you use the car on track days, you need something better, but thats a far bigger upgrade.
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Re: Better front brakes
« Reply #7 on: 11 August 2020, 11:23:59 »

The disc/pad kits are actually pretty good value by the time you've bought two discs and the pads...


That's to say longer life and better performance for an extra £30 or so :y
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Re: Better front brakes
« Reply #8 on: 11 August 2020, 12:21:47 »

+1 as above replies by DrG and TB. Std VX proven time and again.
Chap at work tried the aftermarket for his newish Insignia, and GSF delivered the wrong sized pads, loads of time wasted. I don't blame him for trying though, VX discs and pads for that are £600!!! No more trade club thanks to PSA :(
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Re: Better front brakes
« Reply #9 on: 11 August 2020, 12:29:14 »

Anyone know how much VX are charging for a pair of front discs these days ? I will need a pair soon.
Don't think Keith ABS does discs.
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Re: Better front brakes
« Reply #10 on: 11 August 2020, 13:08:00 »

Anyone know how much VX are charging for a pair of front discs these days ? I will need a pair soon.
Don't think Keith ABS does discs.


 He has been known to have them, as I bought a set.  He'll be along later know doubt and confirm :y
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Re: Better front brakes
« Reply #11 on: 11 August 2020, 13:44:22 »

In my experience a combination of the 9195077 (jurid pads) and a good disc such as GM TRADE CLUB or Pagid gives the best solution.I have also had good experience with Comline discs. These pads are also very durable.

The other thing to watch for is that the sliders are free and the pads move freely in the caliper so avoiding the dreaded corrision on the outer edge of inner face that Omegas are susceptable to. Good tip is the sand off the paint on the pads where they are secured in the caliper so they are nice free to move.
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Re: Better front brakes
« Reply #12 on: 11 August 2020, 15:44:00 »

Just ordered a set of front discs and pads from Autovaux for sub £120 delivered after ringing local dealers who wanted north of £170+vat for just the front discs and he was honouring Club Trade prices.Told me they were factory order only now and were over £260+vat thats just for the discs.

Have been hunting for ages for a set of the old Trade pads..Jurig..as they were excellent ...but proving impossible unless State side with silly postage and imports
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Re: Better front brakes
« Reply #13 on: 11 August 2020, 17:08:33 »

Standard size brakes aren't an upgrade ???

Unless you think that drilled discs are somehow special...

Sorry I think I said uprated, but you get the point.
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Re: Better front brakes
« Reply #14 on: 11 August 2020, 20:58:45 »

Just ordered a set of front discs and pads from Autovaux for sub £120 delivered after ringing local dealers who wanted north of £170+vat for just the front discs and he was honouring Club Trade prices.Told me they were factory order only now and were over £260+vat thats just for the discs.

Have been hunting for ages for a set of the old Trade pads..Jurig..as they were excellent ...but proving impossible unless State side with silly postage and imports

'Re the GM 9195077 pads, it's worth checking Ebay.de
I have recently bought two sealed boxes from Germany. Cost me about £67 including £13 postage for two sets which I was more than happy with!! Unfortunately the supplier doesn't have any more...... :'( :( or else I'd have bought the lot...!!! :y
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Re: Better front brakes
« Reply #15 on: 12 August 2020, 09:37:26 »

I think i have a few boxes of the 'good' jurid ones surplus to requirements.
They wont take a wear sensor, (bit rivetted on the wrong way around) but apart from that perfect.

If I have Ill chuck them in the sales area next week

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Re: Better front brakes
« Reply #16 on: 12 August 2020, 13:47:53 »

Not that 'good' then...  ;D
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Re: Better front brakes
« Reply #17 on: 12 August 2020, 20:06:00 »

Ill bagsy myself a set! Wear sensor, schmare sensor...:y
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Re: Better front brakes
« Reply #18 on: 12 August 2020, 22:59:41 »

Put me a set aside Jimbob if you locate them. :y
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Re: Better front brakes
« Reply #19 on: 13 August 2020, 09:37:50 »

ill have a rummage at the weekend  :y

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Re: Better front brakes
« Reply #20 on: 13 August 2020, 12:00:23 »

Hi Jimbob,

I'll take a set if they turn up.

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Re: Better front brakes
« Reply #21 on: 13 August 2020, 16:40:23 »

Yes please for a set, if there are enough to go around, I know I'll need them one day soon, and still saving up for a proper upgrade.
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Re: Better front brakes
« Reply #22 on: 18 August 2020, 12:14:31 »

Sorry for asking. I looked up the pads on Ebay for the Vauxhall Tradeclub GM pads code 9192124, as I am also going to be doing the front discs and pads on my 2002 2.6. When I found them, in the list of models they fit it said that they fitted:-

2.0 [ 1994 to 1999, [X 20 SE], MPI, 1998cc, 116BHP ]
Fitting Position: Front Axle

2.0 [ 1994 to 2000, [20 SE], Injection, 1998cc, 115BHP ]
Fitting Position: Front Axle

My question is what is the difference in between the X20SE and 20SE to the X20XEV model on the brake side, are the X20XEV a different make or size? Just being nosey sorry  ;D

A link to the ones I found
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Genuine-Vauxhall-Carlton-MK3-Senator-B-MK2-Omega-A-B-Front-Brake-Pad-Set/263411528721

Thanks for the replies on the question.
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Re: Better front brakes
« Reply #23 on: 18 August 2020, 13:58:18 »

They are the correct pads for the later Omegas - the B. If they have 'ears' on the edges of the pads where they sit in the calpier, they are for the earlier Omegas - the A, I believe.
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Re: Better front brakes
« Reply #24 on: 18 August 2020, 14:14:32 »

The pre face lift 2.0 has smaller discs, 286x24mm, and different calipers hence the different pads.

The 2.0 from '98 (mid facelift) shares the same 296x28mm discs as the rest of the range with the larger pads and calipers.

You can retrofit the later brakes to the earlier cars without issue. This would allow you to use the same front discs/pads as the 2.6 :y
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Re: Better front brakes
« Reply #25 on: 19 August 2020, 13:07:36 »

I was sold Pagid front pads which were said to be for my 2.6. The wear sensor holder was the wrong way round, as I had the brakes stripped down I removed the holder and turned it around it has been ok for over a year. The supplier could not tell me how this mistake could happen.Is it a regular occurrence or wrong pads supplied.
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« Reply #26 on: 19 August 2020, 13:10:27 »

Poor quality control or cloned/fake parts ;)
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« Reply #27 on: 19 August 2020, 13:21:40 »

surely not fakes from that well known parts supplier, I put it down to quality control.
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Re: Better front brakes
« Reply #28 on: 19 August 2020, 13:50:27 »

Jimbob recently had some of the pucker 9195077 GM pads available with the same problem. Looks like other manufacturers / suppliers are not infallible to this 'oversight'....
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Re: Better front brakes
« Reply #29 on: 19 August 2020, 15:22:24 »

Fake 'genuine' parts aren't a new thing...

I remember an article in Autocar Magazine in the early nineties (remember then?) which suggested that it was possible to build a complete Fiesta from fake 'genuine' parts. And that was long before the internet made it easy for people to sell any old shit as the 'genuine' article...

That's not to suggest that any one is actively buying or selling fake parts, deliberately or unknowingly, just that it is a viable concept that a percentage of things sold are, in fact, hookie. ;)
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« Reply #30 on: 19 August 2020, 20:48:49 »

I remember reading once that the UK was third only to Taiwan and China as the source of counterfeit car parts.
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