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Alarm and the use of the indicators
« on: 15 August 2006, 16:47:00 »

Now not sure if there is any truth to it but I was told a little while ago that if the indicators flash when you lock and unlock the ECU is configured for Germany which is illegal in this country and would need changing using Tech2.

My car does the above, where as the Black omega I have the indicators dont flash when locking or unlocking.

I personally am not bothered whether they flash or not.

Has anyone ever heard of this before?

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Re: Alarm and the use of the indicators
« Reply #1 on: 15 August 2006, 16:54:13 »

my prefacelift flashes them. no setting in ecu that i have found, maybe there is on facelift?
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Re: Alarm and the use of the indicators
« Reply #2 on: 15 August 2006, 16:59:53 »

Been looking online and have not been able to find anything so probably safe to say its ok to have them flash.

Was curious as to whether anyone else had heard of this before.
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« Reply #3 on: 15 August 2006, 18:16:03 »

Mine flash and Blair ain't stopping them flashing
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Re: Alarm and the use of the indicators
« Reply #4 on: 15 August 2006, 18:32:00 »

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Mine flash and .....
So do mine. (99 pre face lift)
(So does a 52 Astra G)
Edit Just remembered! the Astra doesn't have an alrm - just remote locking. :-[
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Re: Alarm and the use of the indicators
« Reply #5 on: 15 August 2006, 19:55:53 »

Erm doesn't practically every car out there flash the indicators with remote alarms?:)  Just why would it be illegal anyway?  Someones pulling your leg.

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Re: Alarm and the use of the indicators
« Reply #6 on: 15 August 2006, 23:06:51 »

I've never seen a car that doesn't flash them!
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Re: Alarm and the use of the indicators
« Reply #7 on: 16 August 2006, 11:22:01 »

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Erm doesn't practically every car out there flash the indicators with remote alarms?:)  Just why would it be illegal anyway?  Someones pulling your leg.

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Maybe, the guy who told me runs his own garage and happened to mention it although he did seem 100% sure on this.
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Re: Alarm and the use of the indicators
« Reply #8 on: 16 August 2006, 11:23:32 »

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I've never seen a car that doesn't flash them!

The black omega I have the flashers dont flash when locking and unlocking but mine does, I guess there must be some kind of reason for this.

Any suggestions would be most appreciated.
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Re: Alarm and the use of the indicators
« Reply #9 on: 16 August 2006, 12:43:24 »

all I know is that every car Ive had with remote alarm flashes when arming/locking. Why on earth would this be illegal??
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« Reply #10 on: 16 August 2006, 13:02:59 »

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Why on earth would this be illegal??

Dont actually know, hence my question :)
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Re: Alarm and the use of the indicators
« Reply #11 on: 16 August 2006, 22:13:43 »

I would've said you had a problem with the black meega if it ain't flashing.

The flash is there for confirmation of the command you have sent. If you didn't have the flash you'd be left listening for the central locking activating so you'd know if it's worked, which is, well, nonsense.

Is he not perhaps trying to fleece you out of your hard earned dosh for correcting a non existent problem with Tech2?  :-?
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Re: Alarm and the use of the indicators
« Reply #12 on: 16 August 2006, 22:44:21 »

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I would've said you had a problem with the black meega if it ain't flashing.

The flash is there for confirmation of the command you have sent. If you didn't have the flash you'd be left listening for the central locking activating so you'd know if it's worked, which is, well, nonsense.

Is he not perhaps trying to fleece you out of your hard earned dosh for correcting a non existent problem with Tech2?  :-?

To be honest it was mentioned through general chat as it was the same guy I bought my seats from.

I see where your coming from but this guy hasn't seen my black omega and it doesnt need tech2 putting on it as far as I know, he doesn't seem the type to rip people off either.

With regards a fault with the flashers when locking/unlocking does anyone have any suggestions.  :)
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Re: Alarm and the use of the indicators
« Reply #13 on: 16 August 2006, 22:57:31 »

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I see where your coming from but this guy hasn't seen my black omega and it doesnt need tech2 putting on it as far as I know.
I know, that's not what i was meaning, i wasn't refering to the black mig.

He does however want to put your other meega (not the black one) on tech2 to make it 'a little less German', cos it's illegal here. (Says he)  ::)

With regards to the black meega, do the indicators flash when the alarm is triggered?

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Re: Alarm and the use of the indicators
« Reply #14 on: 17 August 2006, 11:33:51 »

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I see where your coming from but this guy hasn't seen my black omega and it doesnt need tech2 putting on it as far as I know.
I know, that's not what i was meaning, i wasn't refering to the black mig.

He does however want to put your other meega (not the black one) on tech2 to make it 'a little less German', cos it's illegal here. (Says he)  ::)

With regards to the black meega, do the indicators flash when the alarm is triggered?


Sorry Kev I see where your coming from now, in response to putting my car on tech2 I wont be taking it to him it doesn't need it.

As far as I know the indicators do flash when the alarm is triggered but shall double check it tonight, you got me wondering now lol.
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Re: Alarm and the use of the indicators
« Reply #15 on: 17 August 2006, 13:47:15 »

If I remember, tonight I'll connect up my 1998 MV6 and see if there are any country specific options in the ATWS. I don't recall seeing any...
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Re: Alarm and the use of the indicators
« Reply #16 on: 17 August 2006, 14:25:48 »

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If I remember, tonight I'll connect up my 1998 MV6 and see if there are any country specific options in the ATWS. I don't recall seeing any...

Cheers for that, I think my car doesn't need need to go on anyone else tech2 having had it put on yours.

No problem since.

Cheers again :)

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Re: Alarm and the use of the indicators
« Reply #17 on: 17 August 2006, 19:51:51 »

Did you get round to trying the black meega to see if it flashes whilst sounding?
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Re: Alarm and the use of the indicators
« Reply #18 on: 18 August 2006, 12:06:47 »

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Did you get round to trying the black meega to see if it flashes whilst sounding?

Concerned now, Indicator flashers work when the hazard switch is on and when using the standard indicator left/right, but I was testing the alarm last night and I dont think the internal sensors work.

I tried locking myself in the car and pressing the switch to turn on/off the internal motion sensors to no avail nothing.

Locked myself in the car the little red light flashes and tried using the key in the ignition and all hell breaks loose using the horn, trouble is have been unable to get the power sounder to go off.

Any Ideas as to why the Internal motion sensors and power sounder are not doing what they should.

Would the alarm setup be slightly different as this has the old infra red alarm type where as mine has the frequency type one..
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« Reply #19 on: 18 August 2006, 12:35:33 »

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Now not sure if there is any truth to it but I was told a little while ago that if the indicators flash when you lock and unlock the ECU is configured for Germany which is illegal in this country and would need changing using Tech2.

My car does the above, where as the Black omega I have the indicators don't flash when locking or unlocking.

I personally am not bothered whether they flash or not.

Has anyone ever heard of this before?

Feel free to move if in the wrong place :)
I believe it's the ones that make a loud beeping noise, when they are activated, that have been banned; and it wasn't a minute too soon; there's no problem with the indicator lights flashing.  ;)
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Re: Alarm and the use of the indicators
« Reply #20 on: 18 August 2006, 12:39:26 »

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Now not sure if there is any truth to it but I was told a little while ago that if the indicators flash when you lock and unlock the ECU is configured for Germany which is illegal in this country and would need changing using Tech2.

My car does the above, where as the Black omega I have the indicators don't flash when locking or unlocking.

I personally am not bothered whether they flash or not.

Has anyone ever heard of this before?

Feel free to move if in the wrong place :)
I believe it's the ones that make a loud beeping noise, when they are activated, that have been banned; and it wasn't a minute too soon; there's no problem with the indicator lights flashing.  ;)

Cheers TheOutcast I had my doubts was just wondering if there was any truth.

From testing the alarm last night on the black omega the indicators and hazards work but part of the alarm doesn't.

Or is it a case of the old style was not as advanced.

Any Ideas
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Re: Alarm and the use of the indicators
« Reply #21 on: 18 August 2006, 12:55:41 »

'dangle berries', i forgot to check  :-[

The power sounder only goes off when power disconnected, for all other alarms, its horn.

As for internal sensors, you need to give them a while to stabilise before moving to set them off....
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Re: Alarm and the use of the indicators
« Reply #22 on: 18 August 2006, 12:56:37 »

The indicators should flash when in an alarm condition. How would you be able to tell which car was sounding in a car park for example.

The ultrasonics are on by default. You can disable the ultrasonics by pushing the alarm button on the dash before leaving the car. The red light will flash a different sequence before arming. You shouldn't need to do this under normal conditions though unless you were leaving your pet inside, or leaving the windows open.

Set your alarm as usual, but leave one of the windows down, this will allow you to reach inside once it is set. You will know it is set when the light starts flashing at a slow steady rate.

I know you can't deadlock the car if the seat occupancy is active, but i'm pretty sure it doesn't have any effect on the ultrasonics.

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« Reply #23 on: 18 August 2006, 12:58:41 »

afaik, prefacelifts dont have occupancy sensors.
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« Reply #24 on: 18 August 2006, 13:09:25 »

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The indicators should flash when in an alarm condition. How would you be able to tell which car was sounding in a car park for example.

The ultrasonics are on by default. You can disable the ultrasonics by pushing the alarm button on the dash before leaving the car. The red light will flash a different sequence before arming. You shouldn't need to do this under normal conditions though unless you were leaving your pet inside, or leaving the windows open.

Set your alarm as usual, but leave one of the windows down, this will allow you to reach inside once it is set. You will know it is set when the light starts flashing at a slow steady rate.

I know you can't deadlock the car if the seat occupancy is active, but i'm pretty sure it doesn't have any effect on the ultrasonics.


Right so i have a problem the lights, they were not flashing when the alarm went off.

I tried as mentioned above locking the car with the drivers door window open, even pressed the little button with the doors shut to enable the sensors before leaving the window open and turning on the alarm before testing and got nothing I am guessing there a wiring issue somewhere.

Possible wiring defect having had a towbar removed.

Any Ideas anyone.
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« Reply #25 on: 18 August 2006, 13:09:57 »

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My '96 P reg had the internal sensors, the sensor was on the door pillar, just above the drivers head, and, on the dash, a button to switch them off. Or so it said in the handbook. :-?
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« Reply #26 on: 18 August 2006, 13:11:48 »

When the alarm is active the little red light on the button flashes so I guess thats a good sign.

Could it be possible dead internal motion sensors.

Not unless the previous owner had them disconnected for wahtever reason.
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My '96 P reg had the internal sensors, the sensor was on the door pillar, just above the drivers head, and, on the dash, a button to switch them off. Or so it said in the handbook. :-?
 

Thats what the 94M black omega has just like mine only I know mine work.

Its the black one that concerning me.
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« Reply #28 on: 18 August 2006, 15:34:00 »

You DON'T have to press the button to enable the sensors. They are on by default, pressing the button before exiting the car and arming the alarm inhibts the ultrasonics.
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« Reply #29 on: 18 August 2006, 15:38:00 »

Also, having the towbar removed shouldn't necessarily effect the alarm function, depending on where the connections were made of course.  :o

You have said the indicators and hazard functions are all ok, so i reckon it's unrelated.
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« Reply #30 on: 18 August 2006, 16:58:56 »

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You DON'T have to press the button to enable the sensors. They are on by default, pressing the button before exiting the car and arming the alarm inhibts the ultrasonics.

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« Reply #31 on: 18 August 2006, 17:02:48 »

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Also, having the towbar removed shouldn't necessarily effect the alarm function, depending on where the connections were made of course.  :o

You have said the indicators and hazard functions are all ok, so i reckon it's unrelated.

The towbar electrics were connected in behind the plastic trim along the backend of the boot.
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« Reply #32 on: 18 August 2006, 17:04:19 »

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Also, having the towbar removed shouldn't necessarily effect the alarm function, depending on where the connections were made of course.  :o

You have said the indicators and hazard functions are all ok, so i reckon it's unrelated.

The towbar electrics were connected in behind the plastic trim along the backend of the boot.
Then the towbar removal is definately unrelated.
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Also, having the towbar removed shouldn't necessarily effect the alarm function, depending on where the connections were made of course.  :o

You have said the indicators and hazard functions are all ok, so i reckon it's unrelated.

The towbar electrics were connected in behind the plastic trim along the backend of the boot.
Then the towbar removal is definately unrelated.

Cheers for clearing that one up :) for some reason I thought it maybe related in some way.

Shall see about doing further testing without pressing the red button see if the powersounder goes off.
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« Reply #34 on: 18 August 2006, 17:12:42 »

As TheBoy already stated, the PowerSounder will only sound if someone has tried to fiddle with the electrics. i.e. disconnecting the battery.  ;)
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« Reply #35 on: 18 August 2006, 17:16:26 »

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As TheBoy already stated, the PowerSounder will only sound if someone has tried to fiddle with the electrics. i.e. disconnecting the battery.  ;)

Sorry Kev gotcha, so alarm is working as it should only remember now the power sounder kicked in when reconnecting the battery once caused a right racket.

I wonder why the flashers dont work when locking and unlocking the car, should I worry about it?

Do you think its worth testing the sensors still?
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Re: Alarm and the use of the indicators
« Reply #36 on: 18 August 2006, 17:24:29 »

Test the sensors, see what happens.

I reckon the relay or associated connections that controls the indicators in the ATWS is donald ducked - but I will check if there is any config via tech2 over weekend.
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Test the sensors, see what happens.

I reckon the relay or associated connections that controls the indicators in the ATWS is donald ducked - but I will check if there is any config via tech2 over weekend.

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« Reply #38 on: 15 September 2006, 20:33:56 »

If the alarm has been activated, the indicators will continue to flash even after the alarm has ceased sounding.  
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Re: Alarm and the use of the indicators
« Reply #39 on: 04 October 2006, 14:45:28 »

After reading all the post on this subject has got me wondering.
My indicators dont flash when I lock or unlock my car. (95 2.5 V6) but my car is also fitted with a after market Meta M36T imobiliser. I wonder if this is the reason for my indicators not flashing.
This is how I bought the car so I hadn't given it any thought before.
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« Reply #40 on: 04 October 2006, 15:04:08 »

Right been a while since I last looked at this thread, so I thought I would update a little.

It appears the power sounder goes off when reconnecting the battery, but the internal sensors do jack all.

Am i right to think the horn should go off when the internal sensors are activated.

Tried sitting in the car with windows shut, lock the car the little red light flashes but nought happens if I move about the car. Guessing the sensors are knackered shall swap one from mine to test.
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Re: Alarm and the use of the indicators
« Reply #41 on: 07 October 2006, 19:26:35 »

 ;Dyeah mine flash, and flash again, old old dear departed last meega did the same also. :'(
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Re: Alarm and the use of the indicators
« Reply #42 on: 07 October 2006, 19:57:18 »

Alarm horn should go off - has it been disconnected?
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Re: Alarm and the use of the indicators
« Reply #43 on: 09 October 2006, 11:48:52 »

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Alarm horn should go off - has it been disconnected?

Where abouts would this be located, is it connected to the cars main horn or is it seperate?

The power sounder am I right to think is located under the scuttle on the drivers side.

If I can confirm I am going for the right one I shall make sure its connected.
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Re: Alarm and the use of the indicators
« Reply #44 on: 09 October 2006, 18:33:59 »

Different horn to car horn, should be mounted near power sounder, which you've aready found...
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Re: Alarm and the use of the indicators
« Reply #45 on: 10 October 2006, 11:23:30 »

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Different horn to car horn, should be mounted near power sounder, which you've aready found...

Cheers for the Confirmation Theboy, i am guessing if it is disconnected it could be faulty or something, shall comfirm all is connected and go from there.

Just wondering why it would be disconnected. Still time will tell.
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Re: Alarm and the use of the indicators *Update*
« Reply #46 on: 16 October 2006, 12:29:44 »

*Update*

Spent the day yesterday sussing why the alarm didn't seem to be working on the Black omega.

Discovered yesterday the alarm horn connector contacts were seriously corroded from water getting in, at first i wasn't sure the horn worked so i plugged it into the loom on my car near the power sounder and tested made a nice racket.

Cleaned the contacts on the Black omega alarm horn connector and plugged in the horn and tested all working but I think I need to replace the sensors as one has been hit and the clips that hold it in place are not the best.

Originally you could just sit in the car and nothing would happen, first sign the alarm was functioning before the actual horn worked was you could hear the relay clicking from inside the car.

Now the sensors work and the horn sounds when the sensors are activated.

Not bothered about the indicators part so long as the alarm works.

Having discovered mine only has the powersounder not sure if it should have both so any confirmation would be much appreciated.

Cheers

Roy :)
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Re: Alarm and the use of the indicators
« Reply #47 on: 16 October 2006, 15:36:07 »

All the ones I've seen have power sounder and horn mounted near each other under scuttle....
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Re: Alarm and the use of the indicators
« Reply #48 on: 16 October 2006, 16:02:48 »

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All the ones I've seen have power sounder and horn mounted near each other under scuttle....

Having looked at the 94M omega it only has a Horn connector and nothing for a powersounder, so I guess I need to get myself an alarm horn for my car now as mine has the connector for both.

Cheers for the confirmation TheBoy  :y
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