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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Varche on 07 November 2020, 18:05:42
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It would appear to be an open secret that the UK is gearing up ( like other countries) for a mass vaccination process. In Uk it will allegedly be December with the over 85’s and the front line nhs workers scheduled for November. That is 2020.
Apart from the impossibility of a vaccination having been fully tested, how many folk will actually take it up. I can see a three way split. A third that will have anything. It is after all free and the government say it is a good idea. A third that say “ Never” “ It is only batflu” “ not having carp in my body”. Final third will be waverers. Word is that there will be a financial incentive...... Lottery tickets, free meals out for participants ( get the hospitality sector economy going again)
Who would be a PM during Coronavirus?.... Rhetorical question
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I'd have it, why not?
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Would you really want to go to places like hospitals ,doctors surgeries :-\
which are rife with germs and probably people with Chinese Virus :P
to get a vaccination which may or may not work or only work for a short time ::)
if I wanted to experiment with drugs there's plenty to choose from :-X
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Would you really want to go to places like hospitals ,doctors surgeries :-\
which are rife with germs and probably people with Chinese Virus :P
to get a vaccination which may or may not work or only work for a short time ::)
if I wanted to experiment with drugs there's plenty to choose from :-X
Someone has got to come out of hiding, or else we'll all become frightened little rabbits, won't we? I'd have it.
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Dunno, depends when it was offered and how long it lasted for. As I don't need to go out much, and little desire to go out to areas where I would be mixing closely with others until the weather warms back up, I think it would be pointless me having a jab in December that only lasted 3 months.
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Likewise. Until house renovation is finished (April/May?) My social life is largely restricted to activities involving a hammer.
I'm not a waverer, I will 100% have it at some point, but I don't see the harm in a few million early adopters ironing out any links for me ;D
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Likewise. Until house renovation is finished (April/May?) My social life is largely restricted to activities involving a hammer.
I'm not a waverer, I will 100% have it at some point, but I don't see the harm in a few million early adopters ironing out any links for me ;D
Looks like I'm the guinea pig then ;D
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Likewise. Until house renovation is finished (April/May?) My social life is largely restricted to activities involving a hammer.
I'm not a waverer, I will 100% have it at some point, but I don't see the harm in a few million early adopters ironing out any links for me ;D
:o Oooo you kinky devil! ;D
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Likewise. Until house renovation is finished (April/May?) My social life is largely restricted to activities involving a hammer.
I'm not a waverer, I will 100% have it at some point, but I don't see the harm in a few million early adopters ironing out any links for me ;D
:o Oooo you kinky devil! ;D
Or murderer :o
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I have the flue jab every year as I'm a diabetic and over 60, so why not?
We can only die once! :D :D ;)
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I have the flue jab every year as I'm a diabetic and over 60, so why not?
We can only die once! :D :D ;)
I have the flu jab every year cause it's free ;D
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I had a flu jab 2 or 3 weeks ago, ended up with a dead arm for 3 days, and only just got over feeling shitty. Maybe I am allergic to eggs after all ;D
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Would you really want to go to places like hospitals ,doctors surgeries :-\
which are rife with germs and probably people with Chinese Virus :P
to get a vaccination which may or may not work or only work for a short time ::)
if I wanted to experiment with drugs there's plenty to choose from :-X
Did all that 3 weeks ago for the flu jab .. so quite happy to go back for a c-19 jab
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I had a flu jab 2 or 3 weeks ago, ended up with a dead arm for 3 days, and only just got over feeling shitty. Maybe I am allergic to eggs after all ;D
You're just one of them 'sickly' people. A walking Petri dish ;D
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I had a flu jab 2 or 3 weeks ago, ended up with a dead arm for 3 days, and only just got over feeling shitty. Maybe I am allergic to eggs after all ;D
You're just one of them 'sickly' people. A walking Petri dish ;D
I do seem to have picked up a lot of the gayer allergies :(
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A packet of Paraceteamol lasts me about 5 years. Im not going to volunteer to be injected with some potion the Pharma industry has rushed onto the market in a blind panic. ;D
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I had a flu jab 2 or 3 weeks ago, ended up with a dead arm for 3 days, and only just got over feeling shitty. Maybe I am allergic to eggs after all ;D
You're just one of them 'sickly' people. A walking Petri dish ;D
I do seem to have picked up a lot of the gayer allergies :(
I've heard tell your anus is allergic to vindaloo and stella. ;D
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It might be a moot question anyway as this new strain of Covid found in Denmark on mink farms, has also been found in mink in Italy, Spain, Sweden, the Netherlands and the USA.
They are saying that this new strain (Mink Flu? Danish Virus?) might be resistant to the vaccines developed so far. :-\
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Too soon for us I'm afraid we will just carry on as we have been nothing could have been approved/ tested properly yet & the virus is still mutating.
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It might be a moot question anyway as this new strain of Covid found in Denmark on mink farms, has also been found in mink in Italy, Spain, Sweden, the Netherlands and the USA.
They are saying that this new strain (Mink Flu? Danish Virus?) might be resistant to the vaccines developed so far. :-\
It's different enough so as to be a completely new virus. Coronavirus is nothing new, flu and sars being two examples, but this one behaves differently, it makes you all cute and furry. ;D
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I had a flu jab 2 or 3 weeks ago, ended up with a dead arm for 3 days, and only just got over feeling shitty. Maybe I am allergic to eggs after all ;D
You're just one of them 'sickly' people. A walking Petri dish ;D
I do seem to have picked up a lot of the gayer allergies :(
I've heard tell your anus is allergic to vindaloo and stella. ;D
Not had hardly any takeaways since all this shit has happened, obviously.
I reckon if I had a vindaloo now, there would be a lot of blood in the potty in the morning ;D
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It might be a moot question anyway as this new strain of Covid found in Denmark on mink farms, has also been found in mink in Italy, Spain, Sweden, the Netherlands and the USA.
They are saying that this new strain (Mink Flu? Danish Virus?) might be resistant to the vaccines developed so far. :-\
It's different enough so as to be a completely new virus. Coronavirus is nothing new, flu and sars being two examples, but this one behaves differently, it makes you all cute and furry. ;D
Mink are vicious little bastards, so if the new strain takes after them I doubt it'll be cute and fluffy! :P
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As no-one buys real fur anymore why are they breeding Mink?
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As no-one buys real fur anymore why are they breeding Mink?
China, of course. Any animal on earth, they'll eat it, wear it or use it powdered to get their tiny yellow penises up.
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I'd have it.
But incentivising it with lottery tickets? Really? ???
And credit it where it's due, they said it would be ready this year... Let's take a moment to acknowledge that that is pretty opposing impressive 8)
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I have family working in the pharma industry, and work contacts in pharma at Oxford. Whilst the NHS/Army might be ready to start vaccinations in Dec, I'm afraid there is no chance the vaccine will actually be ready by then.
The best guess is that they may be ready to start the vaccinations in late spring-early summer 2021(April-June). Even once a vaccine is approved, you've got to produce 68 million doses for the Uk, 500 million for greater Europe, similar numbers for North America etc. It takes about 3 months for the NHS to administer the flu jab, and that's typically only 15 million doses.
The next issue is that it's looking increasingly likey that the Oxford vaccine has some significant side effects in up to 70% of patients. Also, it's not 100% effective (I've seen 70% quoted), and will probably require a booster jab after 6 months as well, this doubling the number of doses and work required. Herd immunity won't start to take effect until 50% of the population are vaccinated, and the risk won't drop to 'acceptable' until 80%+.
Put simply, I wouldn't be too confident of things being back to near (new) normal till this time next year.
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I have family working in the pharma industry, and work contacts in pharma at Oxford. Whilst the NHS/Army might be ready to start vaccinations in Dec, I'm afraid there is no chance the vaccine will actually be ready by then.
The best guess is that they may be ready to start the vaccinations in late spring-early summer 2021(April-June). Even once a vaccine is approved, you've got to produce 68 million doses for the Uk, 500 million for greater Europe, similar numbers for North America etc. It takes about 3 months for the NHS to administer the flu jab, and that's typically only 15 million doses.
The next issue is that it's looking increasingly likey that the Oxford vaccine has some significant side effects in up to 70% of patients. Also, it's not 100% effective (I've seen 70% quoted), and will probably require a booster jab after 6 months as well, this doubling the number of doses and work required. Herd immunity won't start to take effect until 50% of the population are vaccinated, and the risk won't drop to 'acceptable' until 80%+.
Put simply, I wouldn't be too confident of things being back to near (new) normal till this time next year.
Misery guts.
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Sounds like they have wasted all that time and effort even bothering to try... ::)
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Dont care of its available tomorrow or next Christmas. I aint having it. Simples.
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Dont care of its available tomorrow or next Christmas. I aint having it. Simples.
It's like this. If you don't have it, people might not want to work with you, etc, then you'll have no job. :P
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I'd have it.
But incentivising it with lottery tickets? Really? ???
And credit it where it's due, they said it would be ready this year... Let's take a moment to acknowledge that that is pretty opposing impressive 8)
They said Track and Trace would be world beating(whatever that means). They said they'd get Brexit done(note the lack of definition). They said - well, you get the idea.
A vaccination, from scratch in six months? Even if it works, which is a guess, how do you know that it's not worse than the relatively mild disease it's supposed to solve?
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Dont care of its available tomorrow or next Christmas. I aint having it. Simples.
It's like this. If you don't have it, people might not want to work with you, etc, then you'll have no job. :P
He already works by himself :D
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Dont care of its available tomorrow or next Christmas. I aint having it. Simples.
It's like this. If you don't have it, people might not want to work with you, etc, then you'll have no job. :P
He already works by himself :D
Oh yeah. Now we know why ;D
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As a misanthrope, its my dream job. 8) :D
I have an aversion to putting chemicals into my body for some reason. If I have small fillings at the dentist I dont have numbing injections. Same story with cuts that need two or three stitches. Its become a bit of an OCD thing, almost.
I have started trying to use painkillers a bit more for my old war wounds after Dave the builder was very insistent that I should.
I find him slightly scary. ;D
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As a misanthrope, its my dream job. 8) :D
I have an aversion to putting chemicals into my body for some reason. If I have small fillings at the dentist I dont have numbing injections. Same story with cuts that need two or three stitches. Its become a bit of an OCD thing, almost.
I have started trying to use painkillers a bit more for my old war wounds after Dave the builder was very insistent that I should.
I find him slightly scary. ;D
You've been doing things wrong, Albs, drugs are the only answer, to everything.
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Never dabbled much in the illicit kind either. Tried some funny pills that made me feel ill. Smoked one joint and didnt like how it made me feel, so didnt bother again. I was always boring. ::)
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Never dabbled much in the illicit kind either. Tried some funny pills that made me feel ill. Smoked one joint and didnt like how it made me feel, so didnt bother again. I was always boring. ::)
I've had a go at quite a few illicit substances and, as you can tell, they never did me any harm.
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I have started trying to use painkillers a bit more for my old war wounds after Dave the builder was very insistent that I should.
I find him slightly scary. ;D
No point in being in pain if you don't have to be ;)
so be very careful about what you say about me :D
all in jest ;) and the occasional ibuprofen is hardly crack cocaine problem is it
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Youve been here long enough to know the mantra Dave. "A bit of pain never hurt anyone". :D
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Dont care of its available tomorrow or next Christmas. I aint having it. Simples.
Free electric car per household? Must be a price where you would stick your arm out.
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Might consider that. :y :D
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Dont care of its available tomorrow or next Christmas. I aint having it. Simples.
Free electric car per household? Must be a price where you would stick your arm out.
Perhaps the lottery is for the charging lead ::)
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I have family working in the pharma industry, and work contacts in pharma at Oxford. Whilst the NHS/Army might be ready to start vaccinations in Dec, I'm afraid there is no chance the vaccine will actually be ready by then.
The best guess is that they may be ready to start the vaccinations in late spring-early summer 2021(April-June). Even once a vaccine is approved, you've got to produce 68 million doses for the Uk, 500 million for greater Europe, similar numbers for North America etc. It takes about 3 months for the NHS to administer the flu jab, and that's typically only 15 million doses.
The next issue is that it's looking increasingly likey that the Oxford vaccine has some significant side effects in up to 70% of patients. Also, it's not 100% effective (I've seen 70% quoted), and will probably require a booster jab after 6 months as well, this doubling the number of doses and work required. Herd immunity won't start to take effect until 50% of the population are vaccinated, and the risk won't drop to 'acceptable' until 80%+.
Put simply, I wouldn't be too confident of things being back to near (new) normal till this time next year.
Misery guts.
Yep. But assuming the above is anywhere close to correct, does it change what you think should happen in the next 12 months?
You can't keep kids out of school, or colleges and universities shut for 12 months. The current govt plan appears to be a "save Christmas plan" by getting this second wave infection rate back down to manageable levels by mid Dec 2020. Trouble is, having anything close to a normal Christmas is going to result in a 3rd wave in Jan/Feb. So another lockdown in Feb? During Half term?
Then assuming that third wave is under control during/by April when does the 4th wave hit? And if it's going to take till basically Christmas 2021 to get Herd immunity through immunisation then how many more waves? There is bu99er all chance that the population will accept being locked down every 2 or 3 months for a month.
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I agree. By early next year the whole strategy is likely to completely fall apart. Ive noticed already that roads, shops etc. are nowhere near as quiet as they were during the first lockdown. People arent buying into it to the same extent as first time around.
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And that is why I believe there will be incentives to take the vaccine.
Governments have to do something to break the boom and lockdown cycles. Rather than paying furlough , pay incentives, get the economy going again. Incentives would be easy somewhere like China. Vaccine equals tattoo ( brand) equals free cinema tickets, free meals out, huge discount off an electric car. Not so easy in the West. For one the media will whip up anti vac and tip any waverers to join the Ned Luds.
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???
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Going into conspiracy theory mode.....
People who get vaccinated will be given a Vaccination Certificate, maybe in the form of a credit card sized plastic card with your photo and other personal details printed on it and embedded in a readable chip. To do pretty much anything you will have to either show the card to someone ie at a job interview or airport check in desk, or scan the chip on a reader at say a supermarket or cinema entrance. It will be mandatory to carry the card at all times and the Police will have powers to stop people and demand they produce the card. ::)
The other possibility is that the vaccine will contain a nano chip that will lodge under the skin and we will all be chipped like dogs! :o
I love a good conspiracy theory! ;D
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That's another two reasons to shut down facebook :D
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Going into conspiracy theory mode.....
People who get vaccinated will be given a Vaccination Certificate, maybe in the form of a credit card sized plastic card with your photo and other personal details printed on it and embedded in a readable chip. To do pretty much anything you will have to either show the card to someone ie at a job interview or airport check in desk, or scan the chip on a reader at say a supermarket or cinema entrance. It will be mandatory to carry the card at all times and the Police will have powers to stop people and demand they produce the card. ::)
The other possibility is that the vaccine will contain a nano chip that will lodge under the skin and we will all be chipped like dogs! :o
I love a good conspiracy theory! ;D
So, some sort of govenrment sponsored IT project, then?
Not going to happen work properly.
It might have the potential to swallow up a couple more billion pounds of debt before they realise they've procured another white elephant from Serco / Crapita / G4 at vast expense though. ::)
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I've never understood the nano chips in vaccines conspiracy theory. I just don't see where the money is in it. Especially not when they've already managed to get 90%+ of the population to pay out hundreds of pounds, plus a healthy monthly subscription to carry round a device that does all that location tracking, alongside harvesting reams of personal data about the user and their family.
Seems like a waste of effort really :D
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Were we supposed to download that?
They know where I am. At home, locked down. Again. >:(
If they really need me, I am here all month ::)
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I have the flue jab every year as I'm a diabetic and over 60, so why not?
We can only die once! :D :D ;)
I have the flu jab every year cause it's free ;D
Well, that as well ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Im also over 60 now. So I suppose that means I could one if I chose to ?
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Therapeutics Are gonna be the way forward, And it is these who are going to be all over the news after there phase 3 trials which start this month.
https://www.synairgen.com/
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Im also over 60 now. So I suppose that means I could one if I chose to ?
I was fifty back in July.
For a number of reasons, I had the NHS flu jab two weeks ago.
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I think I will take my chances. ;)
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When your times up that's all there is to it, you can't change your position in the queue that's the way I've always thought about it.
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I've been elligible for the free 'flu jab for a couple of years or so,never taken them up on the offer though.Agree with Rangie above times time not matter how you try to dodge the bullet.
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Here we go, breaking news vaccine breakthrough.
Form orderly lines please!
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I've been elligible for the free 'flu jab for a couple of years or so,never taken them up on the offer though.Agree with Rangie above times time not matter how you try to dodge the bullet.
I dunno Baza, I think I've dodged at least 8 bullets! ;D (metaphorically speaking....)
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Here we go, breaking news vaccine breakthrough.
Form orderly lines please!
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An awful lot of ifs buts & maybes, doesn't inspire confidence I'm afraid.
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There's a risk with any medication. Fear mongering won't help anyone. And 90% is a massive leap from 75%.
Promising stuff :y
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Promising stuff indeed, and I'm sure there are several million people who are more in need of vaccination than me, so they can go first. :y
No need to thank me. :)
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Promising stuff indeed, and I'm sure there are several million people who are more in need of vaccination than me, so they can go first. :y
No need to thank me. :)
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My sentiments entirely.
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I'll have it.
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Interesting offering. Under 50s might not even be offered it Tigger.
But.. does it stop you get CV19 and passing it on or does it just stop you being ill?
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Does the flu vaccine stop you getting flu? ::)
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Different tech, this is an RNA vaccine. No RNA vaccine has been licensed before for use on humans.
I believe it is given in two doses too, so going to be a major exercise as a national programme
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Interesting offering. Under 50s might not even be offered it Tigger.
But.. does it stop you get CV19 and passing it on or does it just stop you being ill?
Has to be the latter, a vaccine builds immunity and immunity can only act on something you have.
Now if the virus can reproduce to a level that effective onwards transmission is possible before the immune system does its stuff, remains to be seen.
But has to be a good thing, particularly for the old and infirm isn't that right STEMO ;D :y
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Interesting offering. Under 50s might not even be offered it Tigger.
But.. does it stop you get CV19 and passing it on or does it just stop you being ill?
Has to be the latter, a vaccine builds immunity and immunity can only act on something you have.
Now if the virus can reproduce to a level that effective onwards transmission is possible before the immune system does its stuff, remains to be seen.
But has to be a good thing, particularly for the old and infirm isn't that right STEMO ;D :y
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Cease the ageism comments , us old boys are as tough as old boots & made to last 😊
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Interesting offering. Under 50s might not even be offered it Tigger.
But.. does it stop you get CV19 and passing it on or does it just stop you being ill?
Has to be the latter, a vaccine builds immunity and immunity can only act on something you have.
Now if the virus can reproduce to a level that effective onwards transmission is possible before the immune system does its stuff, remains to be seen.
But has to be a good thing, particularly for the old and infirm isn't that right STEMO ;D :y
Infirm? It's as firm as it's ever been :P
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Interesting offering. Under 50s might not even be offered it Tigger.
But.. does it stop you get CV19 and passing it on or does it just stop you being ill?
Has to be the latter, a vaccine builds immunity and immunity can only act on something you have.
Now if the virus can reproduce to a level that effective onwards transmission is possible before the immune system does its stuff, remains to be seen.
But has to be a good thing, particularly for the old and infirm isn't that right STEMO ;D :y
Not strictly true .. the whole purpose of a vaccine is too "fool" the body into "thinking" you have the virus, it then organises its defences to fight that virus. When you actually get exposed to the "real" virus the defences kick in straight away, rather than having to learn what to do, so the virus is defeated early within your body, hopefully before you have any level of "infection".. ... that is what gives you "immunity"..
edited for smelling pistakes
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It seems that general availability, beyond healthcare workers and the elderly, is likely to be the middle of 2021. Assuming it works as expected.
So those media outlets jerking themselves senseless that things will return to near normal this winter are encouraging the thick - aka most of the British - to act irresponsibly.
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It seems that general availability, beyond healthcare workers and the elderly, is likely to be the middle of 2021. Assuming it works as expected.
So those media outlets jerking themselves senseless that things will return to near normal this winter are encouraging the thick - aka most of the British - to act irresponsibly.
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Exactly what I said to my missus last night, you've already got idiots spouting about the cure, what a bunch of muppets.
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Luckily, I got used to wearing masks when I was young. :)
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There's a risk with any medication. Fear mongering won't help anyone. And 90% is a massive leap from 75%.
Promising stuff :y
Exactly right! :y :y
I'll have the jab it as soon as I can as getting C-19 will be far worse ;)
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Luckily, I got used to wearing masks when I was young. :)
Gimp masks?
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Luckily, I got used to wearing masks when I was young. :)
Gimp masks?
No, balaclavas with the eyes cut out ;D
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Luckily, I got used to wearing masks when I was young. :)
Gimp masks?
No, balaclavas with the eyes cut out ;D
I've just spilt tea down me, for the 2nd time this evening ;D
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I wasn’t allowed to say anything until today, but it's now okay for me to share that I have volunteered for the Covid-19 vaccine trials that a local Hospital are running in partnership with Pfizer. It's important that we all do our part to beat this virus.
The vaccine is the one that has been developed in Russia. I received my first dose this morning 06:20 am, and I wanted to let you all know that it’s completely safe, with иo side effects whatsoeveя, and that I feelshκι я чувю себя немного стрно и я думю, что вытл осные уши. чувству себя немго страо.
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I wasn’t allowed to say anything until today, but it's now okay for me to share that I have volunteered for the Covid-19 vaccine trials that a local Hospital are running in partnership with Pfizer. It's important that we all do our part to beat this virus.
The vaccine is the one that has been developed in Russia. I received my first dose this morning 06:20 am, and I wanted to let you all know that it’s completely safe, with иo side effects whatsoeveя, and that I feelshκι я чувю себя немного стрно и я думю, что вытл осные уши. чувству себя немго страо.
;D
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I wasn’t allowed to say anything until today, but it's now okay for me to share that I have volunteered for the Covid-19 vaccine trials that a local Hospital are running in partnership with Pfizer. It's important that we all do our part to beat this virus.
The vaccine is the one that has been developed in Russia. I received my first dose this morning 06:20 am, and I wanted to let you all know that it’s completely safe, with иo side effects whatsoeveя, and that I feelshκι я чувю себя немного стрно и я думю, что вытл осные уши. чувству себя немго страо.
;D
;D ;D ;D ;D :y
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У меня тоже была вакцина, совершенно безопасно :y
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I wasn’t allowed to say anything until today, but it's now okay for me to share that I have volunteered for the Covid-19 vaccine trials that a local Hospital are running in partnership with Pfizer. It's important that we all do our part to beat this virus.
The vaccine is the one that has been developed in Russia. I received my first dose this morning 06:20 am, and I wanted to let you all know that it’s completely safe, with иo side effects whatsoeveя, and that I feelshκι я чувю себя немного стрно и я думю, что вытл осные уши. чувству себя немго страо.
;D
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Brilliant simply brilliant 😁😁😁
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Apparently we have turned a corner, according to the BBC... ::)
The proposals for getting students home for Christmas suggests that we're going to be locked down until the end of the year :-\
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Apparently we have turned a corner, according to the BBC... ::)
The proposals for getting students home for Christmas suggests that we're going to be locked down until the end of the year :-\
I didn't read it that way at all. Besides, there isn't a lockdown, as far as I can see.
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I was eaves dropping on the 1 o'clock news...
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First lockdown, the roads were almost completely empty for weeks. It was lovely.
This time, the roads are as busy as ever and shops are the same. What lockdown ? ::)
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I haven't driven on a main road for over a week now, but very few folk around when we walked the dog this morning.
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Apparently we have turned a corner, according to the BBC... ::)
The proposals for getting students home for Christmas suggests that we're going to be locked down until the end of the year :-\
When my son is ready to come home, I'll go and pick him up. That's fickin that. ;D
Once again, these tests are not mandatory.
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I haven't driven on a main road for over a week now, but very few folk around when we walked the dog this morning.
Wife was caught in a queue this morning, at a notoriously busy roundabout called Stairfoot. This was 6:50am.
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I've noticed that the areas i drive used to be busy at 8 to 9.15 am and 5 to 6.30 pm but quiet in-between .
now there seems to be a lot more traffic about than pre covid days between peak times
i guess lack of faith in public transport (covid risk) is partly responsible :-\
and people visiting castles ;D
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Not to mention going to work if they cannot work from home ::)
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I wasn’t allowed to say anything until today, but it's now okay for me to share that I have volunteered for the Covid-19 vaccine trials that a local Hospital are running in partnership with Pfizer. It's important that we all do our part to beat this virus.
The vaccine is the one that has been developed in Russia. I received my first dose this morning 06:20 am, and I wanted to let you all know that it’s completely safe, with иo side effects whatsoeveя, and that I feelshκι я чувю себя немного стрно и я думю, что вытл осные уши. чувству себя немго страо.
Classic :y
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Not to mention going to work if they cannot work from home ::)
that would only be true if more people where going to work than pre covid times ???
OR people are going to work at different times now and not the 9 to 5 norm :-\
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What's work ?😁😁😁
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She wants to thank her lucky stars,you should've seen the queues when Stairfoot was a tiny little crossroads controlled by traffic lights :o :o
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What's work ?😁😁😁
That thing that we used to do to support the economy :'(
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She wants to thank her lucky stars,you should've seen the queues when Stairfoot was a tiny little crossroads controlled by traffic lights :o :o
Yeah, Baz, but the horses and carts that used it when you were a lad were pretty slow moving anyway. :)
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That's true,but at least there was money to be made from the "exhaust" of the horses :D
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That's true,but at least there was money to be made from the "exhaust" of the horses :D
Aye, where there's muck there's brass :y
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That's true,but at least there was money to be made from the "exhaust" of the horses :D
Aye, where there's muck there's brass :y
So why dont the local riding centres round here come and clean up what they leave on the estate roads? Thank christ I dont ride bikes any more >:(
I also note that dog owners have to carry inside out carrier bags, but horse owners seem to be allowed to let their dogfood shit anywhere and everywhere.
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That's true,but at least there was money to be made from the "exhaust" of the horses :D
Aye, where there's muck there's brass :y
So why dont the local riding centres round here come and clean up what they leave on the estate roads? Thank christ I dont ride bikes any more >:(
I also note that dog owners have to carry inside out carrier bags, but horse owners seem to be allowed to let their dogfood shit anywhere and everywhere.
There are nappies available, but I've never seen one in use
https://troton.com/blogs/member-blogs/item/188-should-horses-be-made-to-wear-nappies?
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That's true,but at least there was money to be made from the "exhaust" of the horses :D
It was a huge cost 120 years ago. One of the reasons that trams gained popularity so quickly was they reduced the massive amount of horse shit in urban areas. Cars and vans were a similar boon.
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It seems to have gone quiet on the vaccination front while the world waits for vaccines to actually be approved before mass immunisation commences.
The Chinese are pushing for a QR based international travel system. Healthy and vaccinated you can travel. Not so healthy, not vaccinated? That will go down like a lead balloon with human rights groups!
The conundrum of how to get the doubters vaccinated still hasnt been solved. You can rest assured various scenarios will be being modelled. No doubt they have accepted some will never be vaccinated with a “DNA changing drug”under any circumstances.
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There will be a level of coercion involved that's for sure, and the Chinese QR code plan is probably not far off the mark. ::)
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Seems wholly reasonable to me.
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Seems wholly reasonable to me.
What!!?? It's obvious to me that, when you scan the QR code, your memory will be erased and replaced with the thoughts of Chairman Mao. You will develop an affinity for noodles and turn yellow. ;D
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There will be a level of coercion involved that's for sure, and the Chinese QR code plan is probably not far off the mark. ::)
Of course they're pushing it, they invented it... Still think it's a conspiracy?
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There will be a level of coercion involved that's for sure, and the Chinese QR code plan is probably not far off the mark. ::)
Of course they're pushing it, they invented it... Still think it's a conspiracy?
QR codes are Chinese????
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Batflu/WuFlu/Chinese Virus (because it's from China)... :D
Joking aside, seeing as how all passports are chipped, why not have it added to your passport details? Obviously it's going to be an issue if you travel, so that would be sensible, or your NI number to satisfy those xenophobes who think eating a curry is foreign.
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Batflu/WuFlu/Chinese Virus (because it's from China)... :D
Joking aside, seeing as how all passports are chipped, why not have it added to your passport details? Obviously it's going to be an issue if you travel, so that would be sensible, or your NI number to satisfy those xenophobes who think eating a curry is foreign.
UK passports are read only, so adding additional information would require everyone to be issued a new passport every time the medical data changed.
There may be a backdoor hack into the RFID chip on the passport which may allow it to be erased and re-written, but so far no hackers have found it so if it is in there it's well hidden. If they are re-programmable then you'd likely have to return it to HMG for them to do it due to security certificate issues.
NI numbers are issued shortly before your 16th birthday. Child passports are required from birth, so NI numbers don't work for children.
The way I see this panning out is that countries will refuse you entry unless you can prove you have medical insurance covering you for a prescribed list of ailments.
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Maybe just a good old fashioned paper certificate like a Yellow Fever vaccination certificate? :)
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When you're passport is scanned it cross references a database, presumably that database can be amended to include things like vaccination data... Presumably it already contains criminal data...
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When you're passport is scanned it cross references a database, presumably that database can be amended to include things like vaccination data... Presumably it already contains criminal data...
I wouldn't bet on that, as that would be common sense! ;D
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I wouldn't bet on that, as that would be common sense! ;D
I know that HMRC use it to identify people who are NT coded but spend "too much" time in the UK. So if there's money I. It ::)
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I wouldn't bet on that, as that would be common sense! ;D
I know that HMRC use it to identify people who are NT coded but spend "too much" time in the UK. So if there's money I. It ::)
Non resident for tax purposes? ???
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When you're passport is scanned it cross references a database, presumably that database can be amended to include things like vaccination data... Presumably it already contains criminal data...
So now you're proposing to give every foreign govt access to NHS records? What could possibly go wrong? ::)
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If only we had former Omega owner Chinese government official on the forum. They would know.
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Dont forget to watch Channel 4 tonight 9pm. "Is Covid racist ?"
That old right wing reactionary Lord Opti will have a fit of the vapours. :)
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Dont forget to watch Channel 4 tonight 9pm. "Is Covid racist ?"
That old right wing reactionary Lord Opti will have a fit of the vapours. :)
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Of course it is , goes without saying 😄😄😄
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When you're passport is scanned it cross references a database, presumably that database can be amended to include things like vaccination data... Presumably it already contains criminal data...
So now you're proposing to give every foreign govt access to NHS records? What could possibly go wrong? ::)
Not at all ???
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Dont forget to watch Channel 4 tonight 9pm. "Is Covid racist ?"
That old right wing reactionary Lord Opti will have a fit of the vapours. :)
I'll record it and watch it at the same time as David Olagusa interviewing Obama.
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If people can't understand physiological differences without apologising, then perhaps they should have stayed indoors... :-X
As for that smug cant, I might watch some paint dry...
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I realise that 50% of you lot have as much belief in the BBC as Dr G has in the accuracy of the US Election ... but I found this an interesting and informative article .... we do have some very clever, forward thinking people in the UK... :y :y
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55041371
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Apparently it was researched and made from chimpanzee Poo, so we're all domed whether we take it or not. ::)
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Apparently it was researched and made from chimpanzee Poo, so we're all domed whether we take it or not. ::)
I don't want to be domed, I like the shape I am. :(
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Qantas have said they will expect passengers to prove they are vaccinated. Plus they expect other airlines to do likewise.
QR code anyone?
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Qantas have said they will expect passengers to prove they are vaccinated. Plus they expect other airlines to do likewise.
QR code anyone?
Ahem! Reply #46! ;)
Going into conspiracy theory mode.....
People who get vaccinated will be given a Vaccination Certificate, maybe in the form of a credit card sized plastic card with your photo and other personal details printed on it and embedded in a readable chip. To do pretty much anything you will have to either show the card to someone ie at a job interview or airport check in desk, or scan the chip on a reader at say a supermarket or cinema entrance. It will be mandatory to carry the card at all times and the Police will have powers to stop people and demand they produce the card. ::)
The other possibility is that the vaccine will contain a nano chip that will lodge under the skin and we will all be chipped like dogs! :o
I love a good conspiracy theory! ;D
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Dont forget to watch Channel 4 tonight 9pm. "Is Covid racist ?"
That old right wing reactionary Lord Opti will have a fit of the vapours. :)
I forgot to watch.. was it good? ;D
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Funnily enough, so did I. ;D
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So I'm sure you've all heard the news that Pfizer's vaccine has been approved by the UK's MHRA and vaccinations will start next week! :)
An interesting snippet though was that the head of the EU's EMA has criticised the speed at which the MHRA approved the vaccine and has said that more time is needed to prove it's safety before approval. :-\
I wonder if he's right or is it just sour grapes that the MHRA has been able to work differently outside of EU control? ???
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Excellent, where can we get it from?
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So I'm sure you've all heard the news that Pfizer's vaccine has been approved by the UK's MHRA and vaccinations will start next week! :)
An interesting snippet though was that the head of the EU's EMA has criticised the speed at which the MHRA approved the vaccine and has said that more time is needed to prove it's safety before approval. :-\
I wonder if he's right or is it just sour grapes that the MHRA has been able to work differently outside of EU control? ???
We'll soon find out ;D
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So I'm sure you've all heard the news that Pfizer's vaccine has been approved by the UK's MHRA and vaccinations will start next week! :)
An interesting snippet though was that the head of the EU's EMA has criticised the speed at which the MHRA approved the vaccine and has said that more time is needed to prove it's safety before approval. :-\
I wonder if he's right or is it just sour grapes that the MHRA has been able to work differently outside of EU control? ???
We'll soon find out ;D
Yes are we just the global guinea pigs? :o ;D
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So I'm sure you've all heard the news that Pfizer's vaccine has been approved by the UK's MHRA and vaccinations will start next week! :)
An interesting snippet though was that the head of the EU's EMA has criticised the speed at which the MHRA approved the vaccine and has said that more time is needed to prove it's safety before approval. :-\
I wonder if he's right or is it just sour grapes that the MHRA has been able to work differently outside of EU control? ???
We'll soon find out ;D
Yes are we just the global guinea pigs? :o ;D
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Yes you could have hit the nail on the head lot of folk will be thinking along those lines, if it sounds too good to be true then it probably is 'dangle berries'.
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Don't worry, it's only old people in care homes that will be sacrificed. If they die, the rollout will be halted. ;D
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Indeed , Transport a load of 80+ year olds (currently shielded) to a covid infested hospital
what's the worst that can happen :-X
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Indeed , Transport a load of 80+ year olds (currently shielded) to a covid infested hospital
what's the worst that can happen :-X
And, as a bonus, Rishi will save a shed load on pensions. Win win.
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Indeed , Transport a load of 80+ year olds (currently shielded) to a covid infested hospital
what's the worst that can happen :-X
And, as a bonus, Rishi will save a shed load on pensions. Win win.
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It always comes down to money in the end.
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Just seen a black woman on the news who wants to know if the vaccine will be safe for ethnic minorities , no doubt this will be another form of racism nonsense .
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Just seen a black woman on the news who wants to know if the vaccine will be safe for ethnic minorities , no doubt this will be another form of racism nonsense .
I watched that too. Just previous, the 'Emily' woman said that of the third of people less-likely or unsure of receiving the vaccine, the majority were female, or those from ethnic minorities.
So, BatFlu is more likely to kill you if you are of Colour, but you are less likely to agree to the vaccine. ::)
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Just seen a black woman on the news who wants to know if the vaccine will be safe for ethnic minorities , no doubt this will be another form of racism nonsense .
Whoever she was asking should have said 'Why? Are you different to white people then?' ::)
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Well, Batflu has already been proven to be racist. No reason why the vaccine shouldn't be any different :D
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Best test it on the old white honkys first then :D
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If they don't want it, then that means all the more for the other 85% of us. ;)
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Best test it on the old white honkys first then :D
Leave me out of it :(
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Best test it on the old white honkys first then :D
Leave me out of it :(
Good ..one less in the queue in front of me and my family :)
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Apparently Ze Germans are a bit miffed at Brexit Britain cracking on with vaccination while they wait for the EU's EMA to approve the vaccine and have been busy pointing out that BioNTech, Pfizer's partner is a German company and that the UK has approved a European vaccine! ::)
Meanwhile Stateside, reportedly Trumpy is furious that Britain has beaten everyone else and hauled the head of America's FDA into the Whitehouse for an explanation..... or maybe to sack him! ;D
Also the Telegraph is saying that Britain has secured the most amount of vaccine doses from a variety of companies than any other country (or bloc), which is good! :y So much for all that remainer talk of disaster if Britain didn't join in with the EU's efforts to secure vaccines. ::)
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Gesundheit :D
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The Russian authorities have advised the Russian people not to drink alcohol for at least six weeks after getting their Sputnik V Covid vaccination shot! :o ;D
I assume that the good people of the Motherland will comply for the greater good! :)
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The Russian authorities have advised the Russian people not to drink alcohol for at least six weeks after getting their Sputnik V Covid vaccination shot! :o ;D
I assume that the good people of the Motherland will comply for the greater good! :)
Give up sex, food, breathing even.......but alcohol? ;D
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Uk regulator advises folk with a history of allergic reactions not to have the Pfizer jab.!
Thought it had been tested and cleared for use.....
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Thats me out then. ::)
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Thats me out then. ::)
Other vaccines are available, or will be by the time they get around to us.
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Uk regulator advises folk with a history of allergic reactions not to have the Pfizer jab.!
Thought it had been tested and cleared for use.....
which is one of the reasons why new vaccines normally take several years to be approved. Testing for long-term side effects hasn't been possible, so they're having to be particularly careful.
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Looks like they're testing it out on all the old tinkers first , if they pop off , no harm done
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Allergies sounds very mediatastically vague... ::)
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Looks like they're testing it out on all the old tinkers first , if they pop off , no harm done
If you start vaccinating over 90's, there's a fair chance a good few of them will die within months. It will have nothing to do with the vaccine, but the anti vaxers will be all over it.
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Looks like they're testing it out on all the old tinkers first , if they pop off , no harm done
If you start vaccinating over 90's, there's a fair chance a good few of them will die within months. It will have nothing to do with the vaccine, but the anti vaxers will be all over it.
And, having been injected with it, you can bet it will be within 28 days of a positive Batflu test... ::)
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Looks like they're testing it out on all the old tinkers first , if they pop off , no harm done
If you start vaccinating over 90's, there's a fair chance a good few of them will die within months. It will have nothing to do with the vaccine, but the anti vaxers will be all over it.
And, having been injected with it, you can bet it will be for any reason within 28 days of a positive Batflu test... ::)
FTFY Al. :)
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Uk regulator advises folk with a history of allergic reactions not to have the Pfizer jab.!
Thought it had been tested and cleared for use.....
So has Penicillin but I'm allergic to that so shit happens
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Uk regulator advises folk with a history of allergic reactions not to have the Pfizer jab.!
Thought it had been tested and cleared for use.....
So has Penicillin but I'm allergic to that so shit happens
Thee and Mee both... Does that mean we can't have the Batflu vaccine?
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Allergic reactions are common, even with the flu vaccine, its the usual media trying to create a shit storm to quash positive news
Its usually a reaction to the medium in which the vaccine is cultured (eggs in the case of Flu), it may be a similar for this as the bat flu vaccine has been developed in the same manner that the flu one is
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Not allergic to eggs :D so that's sorted.
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I thought it was chimpanzee shit. ;D
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I thought it was chimpanzee shit. ;D
yes.
But only because chimpanzees don't lay eggs.
I had the flu jab about six weeks ago, it was the first vaccination that I had a noticeable reaction to. So much so that I actually read the information sheet we were given.
I would want to read the info about a Covid vacc before having it though!
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I thought it was chimpanzee shit. ;D
yes.
But only because chimpanzees don't lay eggs.
I had the flu jab about six weeks ago, it was the first vaccination that I had a noticeable reaction to. So much so that I actually read the information sheet we were given.
I would want to read the info about a Covid vacc before having it though!
Yes, this years flu vaccine seems to have had more of a reaction than previous years. It's probably the fact that, up until this year, there hasn't been a microchip in it.
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I thought it was chimpanzee shit. ;D
When did you get so picky? :D
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Or that we've all been wearing masks, washing our hands, etc
so everyone isn't use to GERMS anymore
I'm off out to the garden to eat a handful of dirt ;D
Yes, this years flu vaccine seems to have had more of a reaction than previous years. It's probably the fact that, up until this year, there hasn't been a microchip in it.
How is your good lady now Uncle Stemo ? recovered OK from her illness i hope
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I thought it was chimpanzee shit. ;D
yes.
But only because chimpanzees don't lay eggs.
I had the flu jab about six weeks ago, it was the first vaccination that I had a noticeable reaction to. So much so that I actually read the information sheet we were given.
I would want to read the info about a Covid vacc before having it though!
Yes, this years flu vaccine seems to have had more of a reaction than previous years. It's probably the fact that, up until this year, there hasn't been a microchip in it.
Isn't technology amazing? It was a very small needle, unlike the one used on our cat in the summer
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Or that we've all been wearing masks, washing our hands, etc
so everyone isn't use to GERMS anymore
I'm off out to the garden to eat a handful of dirt ;D
Yes, this years flu vaccine seems to have had more of a reaction than previous years. It's probably the fact that, up until this year, there hasn't been a microchip in it.
How is your good lady now Uncle Stemo ? recovered OK from her illness i hope
She constantly moans at me, is buying clothes she doesn't need and spending hours playing with her phone, oblivious to her surroundings. Completely back to normal thanks, Dave :y
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How is your good lady now Uncle Stemo ? recovered OK from her illness i hope
She constantly moans at me, is buying clothes she doesn't need and spending hours playing with her phone, oblivious to her surroundings. Completely back to normal thanks, Dave :y
Great news :)
the other symptoms like "moaning and spending" is a design flaw ,common to all models unfortunately ::)
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Not allergic to eggs :D so that's sorted.
I heard it was cultured in the groin of a Barnsley virgin, apparently she has been very busy ;D ;D
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Not allergic to eggs :D so that's sorted.
I heard it was cultured in the groin of a Barnsley virgin, apparently she has been very busy ;D ;D
She's the only one they have :D
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The vaccine needs to be rolled out double quick in the US. 3265 deaths yesterday and 227,000 new cases.
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Spare a thought for the Russians. Taking the Sputnik vaccine? Abstain from alcohol for 42 days after first shot and two weeks before. 56 days in total. This for a country that generall believes that alcohol, vodka in particular, strengthens the immune system.
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Spare a thought for the Russians. Taking the Sputnik vaccine? Abstain from alcohol for 42 days after first shot and two weeks before. 56 days in total. This for a country that generall believes that alcohol, vodka in particular, strengthens the immune system.
Keep up at the back please! ;D
The Russian authorities have advised the Russian people not to drink alcohol for at least six weeks after getting their Sputnik V Covid vaccination shot! :o ;D
I assume that the good people of the Motherland will comply for the greater good! :)
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;D
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Yet they say Alcohol kills the virus ::)
in about 10 days time I may well start a course of alcohol based anti viral self medication :P
or "Christmas" as it used to be called , can we still call it that ? :-\
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Anyone had the jab yet? ???
Chatting to my 80-something neighbour today and they both got vaccinated on Wednesday. :y
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My 94 year old dad was offered it but surgery is a mile walk each way. Bit too far. No taxis in Yorkshire.......
Why do you have to sit down for 15 minutes afterwards?
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My 94 year old dad was offered it but surgery is a mile walk each way. Bit too far. No taxis in Yorkshire.......
Why do you have to sit down for 15 minutes afterwards?
They recommend that after you have the flue jab. It is all about any adverse reactions you may get afterwards and by 15 minutes someone would know if they have got them ;)
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My 94 year old dad was offered it but surgery is a mile walk each way. Bit too far. No taxis in Yorkshire.......
Why do you have to sit down for 15 minutes afterwards?
They recommend that after you have the flue jab. It is all about any adverse reactions you may get afterwards and by 15 minutes someone would know if they have got them ;)
Really? I was in, jabbed, out.....20 seconds.
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Flu not flue !
We had our flu here a few weeks back. Never felt the needle and like STEMO we were out in 20 seconds.
Tongue in cheek, it maybe to allow the injection to get up to body temp from minus 75C
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My 94 year old dad was offered it but surgery is a mile walk each way. Bit too far. No taxis in Yorkshire.......
Why do you have to sit down for 15 minutes afterwards?
They recommend that after you have the flue jab. It is all about any adverse reactions you may get afterwards and by 15 minutes someone would know if they have got them ;)
Really? I was in, jabbed, out.....20 seconds.
Yes, most of the <5minutes the three of us spent at the surgery was mum taking off and putting on her coat.
Their Covid vaccination is on Monday.
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Flu not flue !
We had our flu here a few weeks back. Never felt the needle and like STEMO we were out in 20 seconds.
Tongue in cheek, it maybe to allow the injection to get up to body temp from minus 75C
I love steam engines and coal fires so always like to put "Flue" when I should write "Flu"!! ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D
Yes, I am out from my flu jab as soon as it is done, but certainly for first timers the medics recommend you sit down and rest in case there is a reaction. ;)
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Anyone had the jab yet? ???
Chatting to my 80-something neighbour today and they both got vaccinated on Wednesday. :y
My daughter, aged 23, no underlying health issues had the vaccine last Thursday.
She's a pharmacist in Salford Royal. The vaccine people were phoning around at 5:30 pm as they had a number of no shows, and the vaccines that they had prepared for the day would have gone to waste.
She asked around the department and she was one of only 2 who hadn't already had it.
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It seems that there is a bit of a scandal brewing over on the continent over the EU's vaccine programme.
Although the EMA authorised the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine today (after pressure from the German Government to get a wriggle on) it seems that they haven't ordered enough, as they planned to buy the rest they needed from the French biotech firm Sanofi (allegedly following pressure from the French Government) , but that vaccine won't be ready for months. Oooops!
When the British Government opted out of the EU vaccination programme, they were heavily criticised by Labour and the LibDems and were accused of playing Brexit politics with peoples lives..... ::)
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Been informed by my youngest daughter that son-in-law has tested positive.The only reason he went for a test was he couldn't smell or taste his dinner.So they're isolating at present and at least it means daughter gets her first Christmas day in years off work.
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Been informed by my youngest daughter that son-in-law has tested positive.The only reason he went for a test was he couldn't smell or taste his dinner.So they're isolating at present and at least it means daughter gets her first Christmas day in years off work.
I had something similar , turned out to be the wifes cooking :y
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It seems that there is a bit of a scandal brewing over on the continent over the EU's vaccine programme.
Although the EMA authorised the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine today (after pressure from the German Government to get a wriggle on) it seems that they haven't ordered enough, as they planned to buy the rest they needed from the French biotech firm Sanofi (allegedly following pressure from [/highlight]the French Government) , but that vaccine won't be ready for months. Oooops!
When the British Government opted out of the EU vaccination programme, they were heavily criticised by Labour and the LibDems and were accused of playing Brexit politics with peoples lives..... ::)
You can't beat a level playing field can ya. ;D
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Given the state of my cooking losing sense of taste[I've never had a good sense of smell anyway]might be seen as a bonus point ::) :y
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I was told 3 weeks ago that there has been a problem with the Oxford jab. Apparantly there has been a cock-up in the stage 3 trials data. They were supposed to be giving 2 equal strength jabs 3 weeks apart. However, the evaluation of the strength of one of them (not sure if it was the first or second) was wrong, and the effect was that one or other of the jabs was only half strength. That's where the reports that a half jab followed by a full jab (or vive verca) increases the efficacy from 60% to 95%.
So now the UK drugs authority are having to review the data and decide if the phase 3 trials have to be repeated, this time with 2 equal doses, or whether they can go with the data as presented. Foreign drug authorities have the same data, and will have to come to their own conclusion. If the phase 3 does have to be repeated, then it delays the Oxford jab roll out for at least 3 months which is a problem for the UK because we've ordered 100M doses of Oxford, vs 7M of the Moderna and 40M of the BioNTech jab.
I've no idea whether the trial will have to be repeated, but the delay in approving the Oxford jab doesn't look good to me. It was only one week behind the BioNTech, and ahead of the Moderna in being presented to the regulator, yet both these are now in use and it's all gone quiet on the Oxford front.
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Had the pfizer one in work today, back in 3 weeks for the second lot, so far the chip seems to be connecting to 5G ok ;D
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Had the pfizer one in work today, back in 3 weeks for the second lot, so far the chip seems to be connecting to 5G ok ;D
Took mum and dad for theirs yesterday. Mum's chip is now sending its data by telegram..... ;D
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Had the pfizer one in work today, back in 3 weeks for the second lot, so far the chip seems to be connecting to 5G ok ;D
We know ,we've been tracking you since lunchtime ;D
put that mince pie down
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I have just heard that the whole of Cornwall has been placed into total lockdow.
It appears the arrrrrrrr rate has increased dramatically.
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I have just heard that the whole of Cornwall has been placed into total lockdow.
It appears the arrrrrrrr rate has increased dramatically.
;D ;D ;D ;D Proper job! :y :y :y :y
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We now have a third, even more infectious strain, which has apparently just arrived from South Africa.
Will the Vaccines work on these new strains ?
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Nearly 40,000 new cases and 744 deaths today. These are comparatively big numbers.
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With so many idiots ramming train stations etc to leave London before tier 4 ::) it will be rife everywhere when they all spend Christmas spreading it about the UK in the next few days >:(
I expected most of the UK to be tier 4 boxing day ,
I guess Boris will wait till it's too late to be effective before announcing more strict lockdowns ,then give everyone a few days before it comes into effect ,so everyone can make sure they get what they "need" in the sales etc ::)
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Nearly 40,000 new cases and 744 deaths today. These are comparatively big numbers.
Won’t be long before the government have a campaign to up the birth rate to make up the numbers. Slogan would be fun. It would cheer us all up.
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Nearly 40,000 new cases and 744 deaths today. These are comparatively big numbers.
Won’t be long before the government have a campaign to up the birth rate to make up the numbers. Slogan would be fun. It would cheer us all up.
Get Shaggin' Folks!! or maybe Shag For Britain! ;D
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Nearly 40,000 new cases and 744 deaths today. These are comparatively big numbers.
Won’t be long before the government have a campaign to up the birth rate to make up the numbers. Slogan would be fun. It would cheer us all up.
Get Shaggin' Folks!! or maybe Shag For Britain! ;D
I'm applying for an exemption certificate, with my bad back an all. :o
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Won’t be long before the government have a campaign to up the birth rate to make up the numbers. Slogan would be fun. It would cheer us all up.
They're inept, incompetent modern Conservatives. How about:
We oppsed you, now opps each other
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Youngest daughter now tested positive,in all probability caught it from son-in-law who tested positive last week.
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Youngest daughter now tested positive,in all probability caught it from son-in-law who tested positive last week.
I hope they have a speedy recovery with no long term effects
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Seems Tony B. Liar is now the country's leading expert on virology and vaccination and is riding in to save the day.
I guess he's run out of retirement projects now he's achieved peace in the middle east. :D
Perhaps someone could arrange for him to have an allotment or something. It seems to have kept magic grandpa from talking gibberish. ;)
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-55410349 (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-55410349)
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Is he mates with Bill Gates? ;)
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The way I read it, earlier in the week, the first jab gives about 91% protection and the second bumps it up to 95%. If that is true, what he's saying makes sense.
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Thought that the first jab was only round the 70% mark. :-\
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Thought that the first jab was only round the 70% mark. :-\
I'll play with me Google and get back, Ronny, I did say the way I read it, could be wrong.
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Looks like I misunderstood, Ronny, I think I read two jabs protects 90% of people, I can't find the actual level of protection, sorry.
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I've had a quick look as well Steve and it seems to depend on what organisation you read. :)
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Had my chip injected last week, the only effect I’ve noticed is a desire to drink more whisky and an email from that nice Warren E Buffet wanting to send me $250,000,000. As soon as it arrives I’ll buy you all a new e-scooter, must’nt spend it all at once. ;D
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Just on the BBC that Hungary have broken ranks and have taken delivery of Russia's Sputnik V vaccine which hasn't been authorised by the EMA. Naughty naughty, and what will Auntie Ursula say? :o
Talking of the BBC, on last nights 'News' at 10 they did a 5 minute report on the EU starting it's vaccination programme, reporting from Berlin and how they are using a disused airport as a vaccination centre. Not a word about the EU being 3 weeks behind the UK or a couple of weeks behind the USA or why. ::)
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Just on the BBC that Hungary have broken ranks and have taken delivery of Russia's Sputnik V vaccine which hasn't been authorised by the EMA. Naughty naughty, and what will Auntie Ursula say? :o
Talking of the BBC, on last nights 'News' at 10 they did a 5 minute report on the EU starting it's vaccination programme, reporting from Berlin and how they are using a disused airport as a vaccination centre. Not a word about the EU being 3 weeks behind the UK or a couple of weeks behind the USA or why. ::)
The problem of 20+ countries trying to agree on anything. We should leave,....Oh, wait a minute. ;)
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Sputnik V , is that the one which requires alcoholic abstinence? Something like 10 days before and 46 afterwards? That will be popular!
Not a word about UK and USA. Not true, plenty on Spanish news but we have left so why would they major on non EU stuff. Britain never reports much on Europe preferring our colonies across the Atlantic.
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Sputnik V , is that the one which requires alcoholic abstinence? Something like 10 days before and 46 afterwards? That will be popular!
Not a word about UK and USA. Not true, plenty on Spanish news but we have left so why would they major on non EU stuff. Britain never reports much on Europe preferring our colonies across the Atlantic.
I read Sir Tiggs post as an observation on the highly esteemed quality of BBC reporting, rather the overall level of reporting on a the bureaucracy of EU regulation.
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Sputnik V , is that the one which requires alcoholic abstinence? Something like 10 days before and 46 afterwards? That will be popular!
Not a word about UK and USA. Not true, plenty on Spanish news but we have left so why would they major on non EU stuff. Britain never reports much on Europe preferring our colonies across the Atlantic.
I read Sir Tiggs post as an observation on the highly esteemed quality of BBC reporting, rather the overall level of reporting on a the bureaucracy of EU regulation.
Yes I was talking about that specific report from the BBC last night. Why wouldn't they mention that the EU is way behind the UK and USA with their vaccination programme? ???
If Brexit Britain was 3 weeks behind the EU and USA, the UK MSM would be in full hysteria mode! ? ;D
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Sputnik V , is that the one which requires alcoholic abstinence? Something like 10 days before and 46 afterwards? That will be popular!
Not a word about UK and USA. Not true, plenty on Spanish news but we have left so why would they major on non EU stuff. Britain never reports much on Europe preferring our colonies across the Atlantic.
I read Sir Tiggs post as an observation on the highly esteemed quality of BBC reporting, rather the overall level of reporting on a the bureaucracy of EU regulation.
Yes I was talking about that specific report from the BBC last night. Why wouldn't they mention that the EU is way behind the UK and USA with their vaccination programme? ???
If Brexit Britain was 3 weeks behind the EU and USA, the UK MSM would be in full hysteria mode! ? ;D
Because, as I pointed out last week, every EU country is free to make it's own decisions on health matters. Hungary is not bound by the decisions of the EMA - unless it chooses to be. Any EU country can chose to approve (or not) any drug they like. They could decide that approval from the UK MHRA, or the US FDA, or whatever the Russian equivalent is, is Ok for them.
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The vaccine that needs storing at very low temp has run into predictable problems in both Germany and here in Spain where the temp got to high at some later stage between manufacture and delivery to patients. Not surprising.
I think Britain is well placed having placed big orders for the vaccine that doesnt require storing at such low temp.
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Sputnik V , is that the one which requires alcoholic abstinence? Something like 10 days before and 46 afterwards? That will be popular!
Not a word about UK and USA. Not true, plenty on Spanish news but we have left so why would they major on non EU stuff. Britain never reports much on Europe preferring our colonies across the Atlantic.
I read Sir Tiggs post as an observation on the highly esteemed quality of BBC reporting, rather the overall level of reporting on a the bureaucracy of EU regulation.
Yes I was talking about that specific report from the BBC last night. Why wouldn't they mention that the EU is way behind the UK and USA with their vaccination programme? ???
If Brexit Britain was 3 weeks behind the EU and USA, the UK MSM would be in full hysteria mode! ? ;D
Because, as I pointed out last week, every EU country is free to make it's own decisions on health matters. Hungary is not bound by the decisions of the EMA - unless it chooses to be. Any EU country can chose to approve (or not) any drug they like. They could decide that approval from the UK MHRA, or the US FDA, or whatever the Russian equivalent is, is Ok for them.
Whether they could make their own decisions or whether they would are different issues. :P
I don't believe that if Britain was still in the EU for example we would have taken the actions we have and would have slavishly waited for the EMA to authorise the vaccine. The fact that we didn't wait and cracked on after the MRHA's approval show a shift in culture in Whitehall. This is a good sign for the future. :y
I don't know whether Hungary's actions have any significance in the grand scheme of things, but the fact that they were not prepared to sit around waiting for the EU to get it's act together is interesting nontheless. I am sure that Hungary's actions will not go down well in the Palace of Berlaymont! :)
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Indeed, not a bit of support/enthusiasm for its own country/financiers. BBC is rapidly loosing the plot.
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Because, as I pointed out last week, every EU country is free to make it's own decisions on health matters. Hungary is not bound by the decisions of the EMA - unless it chooses to be. Any EU country can chose to approve (or not) any drug they like. They could decide that approval from the UK MHRA, or the US FDA, or whatever the Russian equivalent is, is Ok for them.
Whether they could make their own decisions or whether they would are different issues. :P
I don't believe that if Britain was still in the EU for example we would have taken the actions we have and would have slavishly waited for the EMA to authorise the vaccine. The fact that we didn't wait and cracked on after the MRHA's approval show a shift in culture in Whitehall. This is a good sign for the future. :y
I don't know whether Hungary's actions have any significance in the grand scheme of things, but the fact that they were not prepared to sit around waiting for the EU to get it's act together is interesting nontheless. I am sure that Hungary's actions will not go down well in the Palace of Berlaymont! :)
Any country can setup it's own equivalent to the MHRA or EMA or whatever. MHRA was setup in 2003 whilst we were still in the EU. Brussels won't give a monkeys about the actions of Hungary since it's not in their jurisdiction, any more than the UK is/was.
I've no idea what the process is in other countries, but I'd be fairly sure no politician is going to stick their neck out far enough to authorise a drugs use without some evidence that the drug is 'safe' and basically 'does what it says on the tin'. The EMA provides that evidence to those that want to listen to it, but isn't the only regulatory body. There are loads of drugs that are approved for use in the USA (by the FDA) that haven't approved by the EMA or MHRA.
Yes the EMA is burocratic, slow and regimented in the way it goes about things. In most cases that doesn't matter - drugs have historically taken many years to be developed, tested and approved so a few months delay is neither here nor there. CV19 has thrown a spanner in the works, but a 'race' to be first to approve something is not in anyone interest - other than politicians bragging about it. I hope the MHRA(and FDA and EMA) exerts its independence from Govt and does it's job properly. That will take as long as it takes. The worry is that pressure from Govt is going to result in something being approved when (perhaps) it shouldn't be.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/25/business/coronavirus-vaccine-astrazeneca-oxford.html
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/26/manufacturing-error-clouds-oxfords-covid-19-vaccine-study-results/
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Because, as I pointed out last week, every EU country is free to make it's own decisions on health matters. Hungary is not bound by the decisions of the EMA - unless it chooses to be. Any EU country can chose to approve (or not) any drug they like. They could decide that approval from the UK MHRA, or the US FDA, or whatever the Russian equivalent is, is Ok for them.
Whether they could make their own decisions or whether they would are different issues. :P
I don't believe that if Britain was still in the EU for example we would have taken the actions we have and would have slavishly waited for the EMA to authorise the vaccine. The fact that we didn't wait and cracked on after the MRHA's approval show a shift in culture in Whitehall. This is a good sign for the future. :y
I don't know whether Hungary's actions have any significance in the grand scheme of things, but the fact that they were not prepared to sit around waiting for the EU to get it's act together is interesting nontheless. I am sure that Hungary's actions will not go down well in the Palace of Berlaymont! :)
Any country can setup it's own equivalent to the MHRA or EMA or whatever. MHRA was setup in 2003 whilst we were still in the EU. Brussels won't give a monkeys about the actions of Hungary since it's not in their jurisdiction, any more than the UK is/was.
I've no idea what the process is in other countries, but I'd be fairly sure no politician is going to stick their neck out far enough to authorise a drugs use without some evidence that the drug is 'safe' and basically 'does what it says on the tin'. The EMA provides that evidence to those that want to listen to it, but isn't the only regulatory body. There are loads of drugs that are approved for use in the USA (by the FDA) that haven't approved by the EMA or MHRA.
Yes the EMA is burocratic, slow and regimented in the way it goes about things. In most cases that doesn't matter - drugs have historically taken many years to be developed, tested and approved so a few months delay is neither here nor there. CV19 has thrown a spanner in the works, but a 'race' to be first to approve something is not in anyone interest - other than politicians bragging about it. I hope the MHRA(and FDA and EMA) exerts its independence from Govt and does it's job properly. That will take as long as it takes. The worry is that pressure from Govt is going to result in something being approved when (perhaps) it shouldn't be.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/25/business/coronavirus-vaccine-astrazeneca-oxford.html
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/26/manufacturing-error-clouds-oxfords-covid-19-vaccine-study-results/
I'm not convinced about that as it will go against the 'unity' ethos of the EU and no other country has done it. We wouldn't have done it if we were still a member at the end of the day. ;)
Legally though you are right. If Hungary's equivalent of the EMA/FDA/MHRA has approved Sputnik V for emergency use then there's nothing the EU can do, apart from making disapproving noises! ;D
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53,135 new cases confirmed with a test ,so double that at least for a truer figure :o
So .... hands, face .space and the lockdowns (which everyone must be following, because it's the law) are not working :(
that's before they send all the kids back to school to spread it about :-X
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It seems to be completely out of control now. They really need to get a wriggle on with the vaccination programme.
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I think they need some TV and social media adds showing real people young and old dying and the hospitals rammed perhaps .
vaccine ,even if it works will take months yet ,if not years
people who have had a vaccine may well still spread the virus to others ,it's an unknown
along with the long term effects of the virus and the vaccine, i heard 1 in 5 get "long covid" symptoms
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God knows when we will get back to "normal". ???
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God knows when we will get back to "normal". ???
You were never normal.
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How the f*** would you know ? ;D
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God knows when we will get back to "normal". ???
Quite. Who knows what 2021 holds?. Self contained space helmet with own filtration system. QR codes ( only those vaccinated) for international travel.? Limits on travel in own country?
In and out of lockdown? Yet more new variants.? Problems for some vaccinated? Push to get more vaccinated? More companies going bust. Some making lots of money,
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If that bothers you so, cancel your Amazon subscription and stop buying from them :-X
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we need Amazon or other on-line supplier to move to Tier 4 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Induction-Steamer-Multi-Cooker-Stainless/dp/B01EP2G6JC/ref=asc_df_B01EP2G6JC/?tag=bingshoppinga-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=&hvpos=&hvnetw=o&hvrand=&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=e&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4583589104938676&psc=1) by end of play today :o
it's costing a fortune just for the upgrades ;D
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Meanwhile it's been reported that the Italians have[rightly or wrongly]complained that Germany has taken more than its fair share of the available vaccine doses and while it was agreed that all EU countries would begin their vaccination programmes on the same day both Germany and Hungary jumped the gun and began a day earlier than the rest.The Germans efficient as ever have managed to vaccinate 8 people with a dose 5 times higher than that which is recommended.
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Both youngest daughter and son-in-law appear to have had pretty mild infections and seem to be recovering well.Obviously only time will tell as far as long term effects are concerned.
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The Oxford vaccine was approved for clinical use 30 Dec. :y
They start rolling it out Monday the 4th, it`s easy to produce & transport @ fridge temps
Things aren`t good at the moment with increasing spread of the virus.
The Oxford vaccine can be produced in huge amounts all around the world
Astrazeneca the company involved with the Oxford scientists say they have agreed not to make a profit during the pandemic, unlike Pfizer who must be making huge profits at the moment.
The Oxford team say that their recent trials indicate the new mutations won`t affect the vaccine. there`s also a strong response in older adults
Would I have the jab ? yes please, but I won`t get it until much later in the year
Here`s one of the calculators
https://www.omnicalculator.com/health/vaccine-queue-uk#vulnerable (https://www.omnicalculator.com/health/vaccine-queue-uk#vulnerable)
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The virus isn't any more deadly (not that it ever was :-X), it's just mutated and become more spreadable...
No different to the flu mutating through a season.
Good news on the jab, but the virus shoukd not be an excuse to shut the world down indefinitely.
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Doctors have written to Matt Ballcock telling him that the idea of cancelling second vaccinations, in favour of giving everyone their first, is totally out of order as there is absolutely no medical evidence that one is enough to give any practical immunity after a few weeks. The government is in danger of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
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Doctors have written to Matt Ballcock telling him that the idea of cancelling second vaccinations, in favour of giving everyone their first, is totally out of order as there is absolutely no medical evidence that one is enough to give any practical immunity after a few weeks. The government is in danger of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
That is their only competency. If only it wasn't so oppsing useless.
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I think by the time they finish giving the first dose to the vulnerable ,most will have lost all the antibodies anyway ::)
and the vaccine doesn't stop you catching it and spreading it to others anyway
I was out today getting essential supplies , still people NOT wearing masks and complete disregard for social distancing
56 thousand confirmed new cases today alone :(
I guess people won't learn until someone they are close too is dead >:(
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DoctorsThe union mouthpieces for the doctors union have written to Matt Ballcock telling him that the idea of cancelling second vaccinations, in favour of giving everyone their first, is totally out of order as there is absolutely no medical evidence that one is enough to give any practical immunity after a few weeks. The government is in danger of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
FTFY ... don't forget to mention Prof Peter Openshaw, of Imperial College London, (probably a tad more qualified than a union quack) ... who has something slightly different, and more constructive, to say on the matter .... but as that doesn't fit your anti-government stance best not to say it ???
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DoctorsThe union mouthpieces for the doctors union have written to Matt Ballcock telling him that the idea of cancelling second vaccinations, in favour of giving everyone their first, is totally out of order as there is absolutely no medical evidence that one is enough to give any practical immunity after a few weeks. The government is in danger of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
FTFY ... don't forget to mention Prof Peter Openshaw, of Imperial College London, (probably a tad more qualified than a union quack) ... who has something slightly different, and more constructive, to say on the matter .... but as that doesn't fit your anti-government stance best not to say it ???
My anti government stance? You really do get worse ;D ;D
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The first person I heard suggesting the idea of giving everyone the first dose (about a week ago) was Tony Blair.
My rule of thumb is if he says something is a good idea, its almost certainly a bad one, and vice versa.
If he is right about this, its probably the first time he has been right about anything, ever. ::)
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The first person I heard suggesting the idea of giving everyone the first dose (about a week ago) was Tony Blair.
My rule of thumb is if he says something is a good idea, its almost certainly a bad one, and vice versa.
If he is right about this, its probably the first time he has been right about anything, ever. ::)
Yes I heard the BBC trumpeting Blair's opinion and immediately thought "Oh FFS shut up man!" >:(
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The first person I heard suggesting the idea of giving everyone the first dose (about a week ago) was Tony Blair.
My rule of thumb is if he says something is a good idea, its almost certainly a bad one, and vice versa.
If he is right about this, its probably the first time he has been right about anything, ever. ::)
Yes I heard the BBC trumpeting Blair's opinion and immediately thought "Oh FFS shut up man!" >:(
I've said it before, but when it comes to Tony B.Liar, Jonathan Pie absolutely nailed it:
"The turd that won't flush". :D
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I've just read a report that GP's and vaccination centres are being directed by NHS management to dispose of 'leftover' vaccine doses at the end of the day rather than give them to staff or anyone who happens to be around. ::) If that's not bad enough apparently those who refuse to comply are being threatened with sanctions including cancellation of vaccine supplies or some are even worried GP contracts could be threatened. >:(
Compare with Israel where vaccination centres have invited people to queue outside so spare doses can be delivered at the end of the day on a first come first served basis. :y
Who will rid us of these troublesome bureaucrats? ::)
Edit:
The original report I saw was in the Telegraph, but the Daily Mail have picked up the story and they don't have a paywall.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9154145/GPs-forced-THROW-AWAY-leftover-vaccines.html
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If the tracking chips go into unknown people's arms then how will they know who they are tracking :P
maybe they don't have the 5G bandwidth to cope and need more time to put up more masts
or ,do they want to see how the over 80 etc Guinee pigs get on before putting it into younger victims recipients :-\
mismanagement of Chinese Virus response seems to be a common theme here in the UK :(
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Three things going on of interest.
Various media including Euronews have reported older frail folk dying ( not in great numbers thankfully) after being vaccinated. My 95 year old dad had his this morning but he isnt frail .
Although WHO are not in favour of vaccination passports/QR codes at the moment , quite a few countries are including Spain. The idea being you can travel and or use outdoor spaces?
A virus just waiting to jump from fruit bats to humans is Nypah. Nasty thing too compared to CV19.
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Although WHO are not in favour of vaccination passports/QR codes at the moment , quite a few countries are including Spain. The idea being you can travel and or use outdoor spaces?
I think having to show a vaccination card/passport/QR code of some sort to travel will be inevitable, and that's nothing new as some countries have demanded sight of a Yellow Fever vaccine certificate as condition of entry for years. ;)
I wonder if we'll have to show it to gain entry to public spaces such as bars, restaurants or cinemas though... :-\
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I've just read a report that GP's and vaccination centres are being directed by NHS management to dispose of 'leftover' vaccine doses at the end of the day rather than give them to staff or anyone who happens to be around. ::) If that's not bad enough apparently those who refuse to comply are being threatened with sanctions including cancellation of vaccine supplies or some are even worried GP contracts could be threatened. >:(
Compare with Israel where vaccination centres have invited people to queue outside so spare doses can be delivered at the end of the day on a first come first served basis. :y
Who will rid us of these troublesome bureaucrats? ::)
Edit:
The original report I saw was in the Telegraph, but the Daily Mail have picked up the story and they don't have a paywall.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9154145/GPs-forced-THROW-AWAY-leftover-vaccines.html
Well I'm going for mine at 3:30, so they're not throwing them away up here.
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I've just read a report that GP's and vaccination centres are being directed by NHS management to dispose of 'leftover' vaccine doses at the end of the day rather than give them to staff or anyone who happens to be around. ::) If that's not bad enough apparently those who refuse to comply are being threatened with sanctions including cancellation of vaccine supplies or some are even worried GP contracts could be threatened. >:(
Compare with Israel where vaccination centres have invited people to queue outside so spare doses can be delivered at the end of the day on a first come first served basis. :y
Who will rid us of these troublesome bureaucrats? ::)
Edit:
The original report I saw was in the Telegraph, but the Daily Mail have picked up the story and they don't have a paywall.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9154145/GPs-forced-THROW-AWAY-leftover-vaccines.html
Well I'm going for mine at 3:30, so they're not throwing them away up here.
Is that one of the unused ones Steve? Or, are you much older than you're letting on. ;) Goog luck by the way. :-*
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I've just read a report that GP's and vaccination centres are being directed by NHS management to dispose of 'leftover' vaccine doses at the end of the day rather than give them to staff or anyone who happens to be around. ::) If that's not bad enough apparently those who refuse to comply are being threatened with sanctions including cancellation of vaccine supplies or some are even worried GP contracts could be threatened. >:(
Compare with Israel where vaccination centres have invited people to queue outside so spare doses can be delivered at the end of the day on a first come first served basis. :y
Who will rid us of these troublesome bureaucrats? ::)
Edit:
The original report I saw was in the Telegraph, but the Daily Mail have picked up the story and they don't have a paywall.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9154145/GPs-forced-THROW-AWAY-leftover-vaccines.html
Well I'm going for mine at 3:30, so they're not throwing them away up here.
Is that one of the unused ones Steve? Or, are you much older than you're letting on. ;) Goog luck by the way. :-*
No idea, Ron, got a call from the doctors last night asking me if I wanted to go. The place I'm going for it was empty when I passed yesterday, so maybe a lot of old folk (unlike me :P) are snowed in. Their loss, my gain.
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All done, after 12 days I will be 29-62% immune. ;D
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I took my parents for their second one on Wednesday.
It doesn't seem to have an effect: mum is still nuts, dad is still deaf and the remote still won't work on either of them
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Saw on the news this morning that the Indian government is planning to vaccinate 300 MILLION people by August , makes our efforts look a bit lame :(
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I would rather have a vaccine and associated proof (be that on my driving licence and/or passport/National ID card) and have free access to travel than be victimised for not towing the party line and having a Faceachebook account.
Incidentally, instead of issuing a National Insurance id at 16, a National ID card could be issued as a Provisional Driving Licence to everyone. Adding vaccination records to it would be no hardship. Would simplify travel somewhat...
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I would rather have a vaccine and associated proof (be that on my driving licence and/or passport/National ID card) and have free access to travel than be victimised for not towing the party line and having a Faceachebook account.
Incidentally, instead of issuing a National Insurance id at 16, a National ID card could be issued as a Provisional Driving Licence to everyone. Adding vaccination records to it would be no hardship. Would simplify travel somewhat...
Most, if not all of the EU has done that for decades.....
In France, you keep your medical records.
And if you prevent your children from having the usual vaccinations, they are not allowed to go to school.
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I would rather have a vaccine and associated proof (be that on my driving licence and/or passport/National ID card) and have free access to travel than be victimised for not towing the party line and having a Faceachebook account.
Incidentally, instead of issuing a National Insurance id at 16, a National ID card could be issued as a Provisional Driving Licence to everyone. Adding vaccination records to it would be no hardship. Would simplify travel somewhat...
Hmmm - not sure it's a good idea issuing driving licenses to the blind, or the severely mentally or physically ill, yet these people may well need their NI number.
::)
And getting the Govt to implement a new (computer) system to replace two that basically work fairly well already? What could possibly go wrong ::) When it comes to govt IT systems, it's definatley a case of if at ain't broke, don't fix it.
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Even you will have restrictions on your current licence ::)
It wouldn't involve any chamges to the current system beyond making it illegal not to have one.
I know you're allergic to being visible but we must be the only reasonable country that doesn't have an official ID card andd the licence photocard is already a national ID card in all but name. And it has your National Insurance number on it :-X
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Even you will have restrictions on your current licence ::)
It wouldn't involve any chamges to the current system beyond making it illegal not to have one.
I know you're allergic to being visible but we must be the only reasonable country that doesn't have an official ID card andd the licence photocard is already a national ID card in all but name. And it has your National Insurance number on it :-X
What license photocard? Mine's a pink piece of paper. No NI number on that :D
The issue isn't really with ID cards per-se - it's who is allowed to DEMAND to see it, and whether you have to carry it with you at all times.
And I ususlaly find that applying 50KV to a chip renders it unreadable. Dunno how that happened occifer.
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I know you're allergic to being visible but we must be the only reasonable country that doesn't have an official ID card andd the licence photocard is already a national ID card in all but name. And it has your National Insurance number on it :-X
My photocard licence doesn't have my NI number on it. Was the design changed?
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cross referencing your details on many Government databases will give access to driving, medical and tax details etc
once you've had the Jab they can track your movements and shopping hobbits too :P once cash is phased out :D
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I know you're allergic to being visible but we must be the only reasonable country that doesn't have an official ID card andd the licence photocard is already a national ID card in all but name. And it has your National Insurance number on it :-X
My photocard licence doesn't have my NI number on it. Was the design changed?
You need your Nat ins number to apply for a license, so it is on the database.
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Had a look at my licence and no NI no. Noticed expiry date was 11/12/2020 and thought shite, it's run out. :o Then remembered the 11 month Covid extension. Phew.
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cross referencing your details on many Government databases will give access to driving, medical and tax details etc
once you've had the Jab they can track your movements and shopping hobbits too :P once cash is phased out :D
They can do that anyway. Most people carry a mobile tracking device Mobile phone already, and ANPR will follow you around the major road network and streets of many towns/cities.
Even if the Govt did issue a compulsory identity card, you'd still need a Passport for International travel. Can't stamp visas or entry/exit stamps on a card - well not without international approval anyway. And possibly an International Driving Permit to drive.
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I know you're allergic to being visible but we must be the only reasonable country that doesn't have an official ID card andd the licence photocard is already a national ID card in all but name. And it has your National Insurance number on it :-X
My photocard licence doesn't have my NI number on it. Was the design changed?
I stand corrected. I could have sworn mine had it on :-\
That being said, it wouldn't be difficult to add it. The only cost being the extra ink. The issue is probably more to do with simplifying access to all your government info on one document. :-\
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Mine doesn't, issued in 2016
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Mine doesn't, issued in 2016
I edited my last having double checked :)
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None of mine have ever had it. I thought you meant it was easily found by any official checking DVLA. If you'd have been more clear, saying it was actually printed on the licence, I think you'd have got more
of the piss ripped of an argument.
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My son works for the NHS so had his first vaccine jab last week , today he's been tested positive for bat flu :(
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I hope he gets through it OK
I wonder if the lateral flow tests can determine the difference with someone who has covid and someone who's been vaccinated (and has the covid DNA ,spikes ,whatever) in their blood :-\
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Haven't checked the photo card licence but paper licence had your date of birth on it.
Hope your son gets through it OK redeliteV6. Worrying times I know as my youngest daughter and her husband were both tested positive just before Christmas,luckily it seems to have only been a mild infection for them as they're both ok.
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Still got my first one 47 years old, it’s in tatters and held with sellotape but I won’t give it up
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My son works for the NHS so had his first vaccine jab last week , today he's been tested positive for bat flu :(
Hope your son is Ok.
None of the vaccines claim to give any (repeat ANY) protection before day 11 or 12 after vaccination, with full protection (one jabs-worth at least) achieved on days 16-21. That's why it's so important for people not to think "great I've been vaccinated - party on"
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Haven't checked the photo card licence but paper licence had your date of birth on it.
Hope your son gets through it OK redeliteV6. Worrying times I know as my youngest daughter and her husband were both tested positive just before Christmas,luckily it seems to have only been a mild infection for them as they're both ok.
your date of birth is incorporated within your driver's licence number :y
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My son works for the NHS so had his first vaccine jab last week , today he's been tested positive for bat flu :(
I hope your son is OK and has as mild a dose as we had last Oct
my daughter is an ICU nurse & had hers a week last Fri .... so far so good
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Swmbo told me you have to abstain from alcohol for a week or so after having the vaccine. I presume she was yanking my chain ? ::)
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Haven't checked the photo card licence but paper licence had your date of birth on it.
Hope your son gets through it OK redeliteV6. Worrying times I know as my youngest daughter and her husband were both tested positive just before Christmas,luckily it seems to have only been a mild infection for them as they're both ok.
your date of birth is incorporated within your driver's licence number :y
Along with your gender...
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Swmbo told me you have to abstain from alcohol for a week or so after having the vaccine. I presume she was yanking my chain ? ::)
No mention of that at the centre or on the literature they give you afterwards.
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Good enough for me Dr. STEMO. :y
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Haven't checked the photo card licence but paper licence had your date of birth on it.
Hope your son gets through it OK redeliteV6. Worrying times I know as my youngest daughter and her husband were both tested positive just before Christmas,luckily it seems to have only been a mild infection for them as they're both ok.
your date of birth is incorporated within your driver's licence number :y
Along with your gender...
Well they're going to have to do something about that! :o ::)
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swimbo & I are having our jabs on friday :y
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Nice to hear, wife had her jabs this morning (breakfast was late) ;D ;D
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1,820 deaths today. Ouch!
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1,820 deaths today. Ouch!
Sounds bad but probably includes seasonal flu in addition to the 'kung flu' :)
Also, anyone dropping off the perch 28 days following a positive test takes in a shit load of deaths that are have nothing to do with covid.
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.......having said that, at your age you need to be careful.
Wrap up warm sweetie.... :-* :-*
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.......having said that, at your age you need to be careful.
Wrap up warm sweetie.... :-* :-*
I've had my first jab, and I've been social distancing since 2010. I'll be fine, but thank you for your concern. :)
Oh....and I've had my flu jab.
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.......having said that, at your age you need to be careful.
Wrap up warm sweetie.... :-* :-*
I've had my first jab, and I've been social distancing since 2010. I'll be fine, but thank you for your concern. :)
Oh....and I've had my flu jab.
I think you'll find this is because of excessive flatulence. No jabs of any description for me, I'll probably be dead and gone by this time next week.
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.......having said that, at your age you need to be careful.
Wrap up warm sweetie.... :-* :-*
I've had my first jab, and I've been social distancing since 2010. I'll be fine, but thank you for your concern. :)
Oh....and I've had my flu jab.
I think you'll find this is because of excessive flatulence. No jabs of any description for me, I'll probably be dead and gone by this time next week.
Oh no! How will I keep up with matters pertaining to BLM videos on YouTube?
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.......having said that, at your age you need to be careful.
Wrap up warm sweetie.... :-* :-*
I've had my first jab, and I've been social distancing since 2010. I'll be fine, but thank you for your concern. :)
Oh....and I've had my flu jab.
I think you'll find this is because of excessive flatulence. No jabs of any description for me, I'll probably be dead and gone by this time next week.
Oh no! How will I keep up with matters pertaining to BLM videos on YouTube?
My wit and charm will be sorely missed by all. ;D ;D
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.......having said that, at your age you need to be careful.
Wrap up warm sweetie.... :-* :-*
I've had my first jab, and I've been social distancing since 2010. I'll be fine, but thank you for your concern. :)
Oh....and I've had my flu jab.
I think you'll find this is because of excessive flatulence. No jabs of any description for me, I'll probably be dead and gone by this time next week.
Oh no! How will I keep up with matters pertaining to BLM videos on YouTube?
My wit and charm will be sorely missed by all. ;D ;D
Absolutely. ;D
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Having said that, all is about five people these days.
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.......having said that, at your age you need to be careful.
Wrap up warm sweetie.... :-* :-*
I've had my first jab, and I've been social distancing since 2010. I'll be fine, but thank you for your concern. :)
Oh....and I've had my flu jab.
I think you'll find this is because of excessive flatulence. No jabs of any description for me, I'll probably be dead and gone by this time next week.
Oh no! How will I keep up with matters pertaining to BLM videos on YouTube?
My wit and charm will be sorely missed by all. ;D ;D
Absolutely. ;D
If Mrs Opti goes for the cheapest funeral option I shall come back to haunt her. :)
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.......having said that, at your age you need to be careful.
Wrap up warm sweetie.... :-* :-*
I've had my first jab, and I've been social distancing since 2010. I'll be fine, but thank you for your concern. :)
Oh....and I've had my flu jab.
I think you'll find this is because of excessive flatulence. No jabs of any description for me, I'll probably be dead and gone by this time next week.
Oh no! How will I keep up with matters pertaining to BLM videos on YouTube?
My wit and charm will be sorely missed by all. ;D ;D
Absolutely. ;D
If Mrs Opti goes for the cheapest funeral option I shall come back to haunt her. :)
You haunt her while you're alive, so no change there.
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She'll probably just scrap the sigmund with you in the boot ;D
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She'll probably just scrap the sigmund with you in the boot ;D
She is part 'bunny boiler' so this may be closer to the truth than you think.
Hell hath no fury........ :-\
She may forgive (sort of) but she certainly does not forget...... :-\
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She'll probably just scrap the sigmund with you in the boot ;D
She is part 'bunny boiler' so this may be closer to the truth than you think.
Hell hath no fury........ :-\
She may forgive (sort of) but she certainly does not forget...... :-\
Sounds like just the sort of woman you need to keep you in fear for your life in check. :)
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She'll probably just scrap the sigmund with you in the boot ;D
She is part 'bunny boiler' so this may be closer to the truth than you think.
Hell hath no fury........ :-\
She may forgive (sort of) but she certainly does not forget...... :-\
Sounds like just the sort of woman you need to keep you in fear for your life in check. :)
Women....they always pick on the most innocent first. ::)
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Meanwhile, in Germany...
https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2021/01/16/germany-builds-detention-centres-to-house-covid-dissidents/
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Meanwhile, in Germany...
https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2021/01/16/germany-builds-detention-centres-to-house-covid-dissidents/
Good on them, I'd shoot the bastards.
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Meanwhile the UK death toll was 1820 today. :o :(
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There's an echo in here ;D
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Meanwhile the UK death toll was 1820 today. :o :(
Do keep up at the back please! ::)
Lord Opti is on the list for next week! :y
I wonder if his SIL will need consoling? :-\
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some of the oldies in the family had letters
book on-line or phone 119
BUT
the Pfiser jab roll out people where advised NOT to have it if they had allergic reactions in the past
the website states .....
"What happens at your appointment.... bla bla bla ....
Allergic reactions
Tell healthcare staff before you are vaccinated if you've ever had a serious allergic reaction (anaphylaxis).
You should not have the vaccine if you've ever had a serious allergic reaction to:
a previous vaccine
a previous dose of the same COVID-19 vaccine
some medicines, household products or cosmetics"
why get people to turn up and then ask the question >:(
pointless journey if you can't have it anyway ,and could potentially catch covid going to the unnecessary appointment, wasted appointment that someone could use , wasted vaccine dose if they don't find someone else for it :(
My Mum has previously had allergic reaction to penicillin (flucloxacillin) and other drugs
going to get her to phone the GP and ask (data protection ,so I can't) , then possibly/probably cancel the appointment
looking at the literature the astra zeneca vaccine is fine ,and can be done at a local surgery rather than have to take her to "Birminam"
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some of the oldies in the family had letters
book on-line or phone 119
BUT
the Pfiser jab roll out people where advised NOT to have it if they had allergic reactions in the past
the website states .....
"What happens at your appointment.... bla bla bla ....
Allergic reactions
Tell healthcare staff before you are vaccinated if you've ever had a serious allergic reaction (anaphylaxis).
You should not have the vaccine if you've ever had a serious allergic reaction to:
a previous vaccine
a previous dose of the same COVID-19 vaccine
some medicines, household products or cosmetics"
why get people to turn up and then ask the question >:(
pointless journey if you can't have it anyway ,and could potentially catch covid going to the unnecessary appointment, wasted appointment that someone could use , wasted vaccine dose if they don't find someone else for it :(
My Mum has previously had allergic reaction to penicillin (flucloxacillin) and other drugs
going to get her to phone the GP and ask (data protection ,so I can't) , then possibly/probably cancel the appointment
looking at the literature the astra zeneca vaccine is fine ,and can be done at a local surgery rather than have to take her to "Birminam"
Shouldn't be any drama with a penicillin allergy, Pfizer one seem's very safe as we've been wacking it into everyone and nobody has had any reactions..... yet
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I was asked all of those questions, and more, by the person that rang and asked me to attend for the vaccination. They were repeated at the centre before I was given the jab (Pfizer).
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You are also asked if you are on any blood thinning medication.
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You are also asked if you are on any blood thinning medication.
interesting
she's on a blood thinner too
something else to ask the GP
Thanks Uncle Stemo :y
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You are also asked if you are on any blood thinning medication.
interesting
she's on a blood thinner too
something else to ask the GP
Thanks Uncle Stemo :y
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/948518/Information_for_UK_recipients_on_PfizerBioNTech.pdf
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Meanwhile, in Germany...
https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2021/01/16/germany-builds-detention-centres-to-house-covid-dissidents/
Wonder if there's a big sign over the gates saying "arbeit macht frei" ?
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You are also asked if you are on any blood thinning medication.
interesting
she's on a blood thinner too
something else to ask the GP
Thanks Uncle Stemo :y
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/948518/Information_for_UK_recipients_on_PfizerBioNTech.pdf
Thanks
I looked at the info on these 2 sites when deciding i needed to poke my nose intervene about the appointment .
may be of use to others pre stabbing :P maybe worth reading if you're on meds etc
Pfiser
https://www.sps.nhs.uk/articles/advising-individuals-with-allergies-on-their-suitability-for-pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine/ (https://www.sps.nhs.uk/articles/advising-individuals-with-allergies-on-their-suitability-for-pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine/)
Astra zeneca info
https://www.sps.nhs.uk/articles/advising-individuals-with-allergies-on-their-suitability-for-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine/ (https://www.sps.nhs.uk/articles/advising-individuals-with-allergies-on-their-suitability-for-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine/)
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Shouldn't be any drama with a penicillin allergy, Pfizer one seem's very safe as we've been wacking it into everyone and nobody has had any reactions..... yet
Sorry ,I missed this post
It was on the news when they started the Pfiser jab that people had reactions
people who had allergies should NOT take it
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Shouldn't be any drama with a penicillin allergy, Pfizer one seem's very safe as we've been wacking it into everyone and nobody has had any reactions..... yet
Sorry ,I missed this post
It was on the news when they started the Pfiser jab that people had reactions
people who had allergies should NOT take it
The effectiveness of the Pfizer jab is much better than the AZ jab. The allergy thing refers to having a reaction to things like the annual flu jab. It's the 'solution' that the active component is 'dissolved' in that often causes the reaction, rather than the active component itself. And if you're allergic to the Flu jab, then you're equally likely to be allergic to the AZ jab.
The question about blood thinners is because it's possible the injection site may bleed and/or bruise. My dad is on Apixiban, which is a blood thinner, and the doctor wasn't at all worried about him having the Pfizer.
In short, if my mum were offered the Pfizer jab I'd want her to take it unless there were very good reasons why not.
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Last time I took a Penicillin tablet (2010) I was carted off in an ambulance with blues & twos, struggling like hell to breath.
Looks like I wont be getting the Pfizer jab then. ::)
Got my first ever Flu jab tomorrow, so if I dont ever reappear on OOF, you know whats happened. :D
No need for a comment from you STEMO. :P
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Good luck migv6 :y
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Shouldn't be any drama with a penicillin allergy, Pfizer one seem's very safe as we've been wacking it into everyone and nobody has had any reactions..... yet
Sorry ,I missed this post
It was on the news when they started the Pfiser jab that people had reactions
people who had allergies should NOT take it
The effectiveness of the Pfizer jab is much better than the AZ jab. The allergy thing refers to having a reaction to things like the annual flu jab. It's the 'solution' that the active component is 'dissolved' in that often causes the reaction, rather than the active component itself. And if you're allergic to the Flu jab, then you're equally likely to be allergic to the AZ jab.
The question about blood thinners is because it's possible the injection site may bleed and/or bruise. My dad is on Apixiban, which is a blood thinner, and the doctor wasn't at all worried about him having the Pfizer.
In short, if my mum were offered the Pfizer jab I'd want her to take it unless there were very good reasons why not.
That's the one i'm on, so won't be put off by that then.
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I took my parents for their second one on Wednesday.
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My parents (Dad 91 and Mum 85) have heard nothing regarding the first one yet. Both disabled, so both housebound but attended by two carers four times daily. The carers are the risk to my parents but my parents are totally reliant on them so we have to take extra special care when popping their shopping in, doing their laundry and cleaning etc. My parents must think a forensic team have turned up when we visit. ::) ;D You don't realise just how many times you touch something so the hand washing and sanitizing is endless.
Still, my parents haven't mentioned the vaccine so they'll have to wait their turn like everyone else. :y
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Everyone I know over 80 round here has had at least their first jab and most their second. :y
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Everyone I know over 80 round here has had at least their first jab and most their second. :y
Thanks for that, this is what I keep hearing on the news. :y
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Mother is getting her first next week.
I took my parents for their second one on Wednesday.
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My parents (Dad 91 and Mum 85) have heard nothing regarding the first one yet. Both disabled, so both housebound but attended by two carers four times daily. The carers are the risk to my parents but my parents are totally reliant on them so we have to take extra special care when popping their shopping in, doing their laundry and cleaning etc. My parents must think a forensic team have turned up when we visit. ::) ;D You don't realise just how many times you touch something so the hand washing and sanitizing is endless.
Still, my parents haven't mentioned the vaccine so they'll have to wait their turn like everyone else. :y
You may want to follow up on their jabs as they could fall into the gap between GP and carers :-\
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American statistics for allergic reactions to the Pfizer Vaccine :
https://www.acsh.org/news/2021/01/21/allergic-responses-covid-19-vaccination-15292
1.8 Million injections, no deaths, 83 reported allergic reactions of which 21 were serious enough to require hospital treatment (EpiPen).
In my book them's pretty good odds when you compare it with the risk of requiring hospital admission if you do catch CV19.
YMMV.
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Everyone I know over 80 round here has had at least their first jab and most their second. :y
Thanks for that, this is what I keep hearing on the news. :y
My mother is almost 91 living alone and shielding, we hadn't heard anything so contacted her surgery today and have an appointment for this Saturday 1-30 pm
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American statistics for allergic reactions to the Pfizer Vaccine :
https://www.acsh.org/news/2021/01/21/allergic-responses-covid-19-vaccination-15292
1.8 Million injections, no deaths, 83 reported allergic reactions of which 21 were serious enough to require hospital treatment (EpiPen).
In my book them's pretty good odds when you compare it with the risk of requiring hospital admission if you do catch CV19.
YMMV.
Yes, that's pretty encouraging :)
thanks for the link/info :y
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You may want to follow up on their jabs as they could fall into the gap between GP and carers :-\
My mother is almost 91 living alone and shielding, we hadn't heard anything so contacted her surgery today and have an appointment for this Saturday 1-30 pm
Cheers for that, I'd better give their doctor a call to check that they haven't been missed, although they both keep telling me they've had enough of life so they're probably not that bothered. :'( Not what I want to hear when helping them but hey ho. They'll have to do a house call for the vaccination, as the stroke a few years back left my mum with just the use of one arm, and that's crippled with rheumatoid arthritis. Active mind but useless body, life can be a real bitch at times. >:(
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Everyone I know over 80 round here has had at least their first jab and most their second. :y
Thanks for that, this is what I keep hearing on the news. :y
My mother is almost 91 living alone and shielding, we hadn't heard anything so contacted her surgery today and have an appointment for this Saturday 1-30 pm
Was that as a result of you ringing or would it have been Saturday anyway? Bit worrying a 91 year old wasnt already vaccinated. Mind you my 95 year old dad was only last Saturday and that was only after our intervention. Maybe they were waiting till they could give your mother an Astra Zeneca more local than say a Pfizer one given her age.
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You may want to follow up on their jabs as they could fall into the gap between GP and carers :-\
My mother is almost 91 living alone and shielding, we hadn't heard anything so contacted her surgery today and have an appointment for this Saturday 1-30 pm
Cheers for that, I'd better give their doctor a call to check that they haven't been missed, although they both keep telling me they've had enough of life so they're probably not that bothered. :'( Not what I want to hear when helping them but hey ho. They'll have to do a house call for the vaccination, as the stroke a few years back left my mum with just the use of one arm, and that's crippled with rheumatoid arthritis. Active mind but useless body, life can be a real bitch at times. >:(
My 91 year old mum was sent an appointment in December, but she is housebound. The doctors said they will send someone out, probably around March. In their view, if she doesn't go out, she's unlikely to catch it. And she's another one who really couldn't care less.
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Just been looking at the rollout in Spain which is running behind the UK.
The first tranche were health workers and care homes ( plus politicians, wives and mistresses that jumped the queue.
Next is the 80’s then the over 70’s in March then key workers. No date for the over 90’s astonishingly ( 500,000 apparently) and worryingly the 60’s. Maybe the logic is the over 90’s will be shielding......
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Even if the very elderly have had enough of life (which is understandable imo, in fact I often feel the same) dying from Covid is no way to go.
A horrible way to go actually, at any age.
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Even if the very elderly have had enough of life (which is understandable imo, in fact I often feel the same) dying from Covid is no way to go.
A horrible way to go actually, at any age.
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I had a terrible chest infection in 2009 never had one before or since but it was really very unsettling not being able to breathe properly, wouldn't wish anything like that on anyone.
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Everyone I know over 80 round here has had at least their first jab and most their second. :y
Thanks for that, this is what I keep hearing on the news. :y
My mother is almost 91 living alone and shielding, we hadn't heard anything so contacted her surgery today and have an appointment for this Saturday 1-30 pm
Was that as a result of you ringing or would it have been Saturday anyway? Bit worrying a 91 year old wasnt already vaccinated. Mind you my 95 year old dad was only last Saturday and that was only after our intervention. Maybe they were waiting till they could give your mother an Astra Zeneca more local than say a Pfizer one given her age.
I'm not sure if the phone call speeded things up or not but she would need some notice to arrange one of the family to take her as she doesn't drive and is past running marathons !!
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The delivery seems to be quite varied from Trust to Trust. Our surgery seems to be on the ball. Might help that the Sheriff used to be a practice partner ::)
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It was on the news that they're reducing the delivery of the vaccine to Yorkshire and the North East to allow the rest of the country to catch up as the vaccination scheme has been out performing other areas
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-55755529
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Just been looking at the rollout in Spain which is running behind the UK.
The first tranche were health workers and care homes ( plus politicians, wives and mistresses that jumped the queue.
Next is the 80’s then the over 70’s in March then key workers. No date for the over 90’s astonishingly ( 500,000 apparently) and worryingly the 60’s. Maybe the logic is the over 90’s will be shielding......
Correct me if I'm wrong .. but anyone over 90 is, by definition, over 80 ... so is already included in the statement "over 80's" ... unless of course you are into political shit-stirring for the sake of it ??? (also known as "journalism" it appears)
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No just reporting what I thought the article said.
The groups were 80’s, 90’etc . I.e. 80’s to 89’s
Hope that clarifies I wasn’t political sh1t stirring.
Here is the article in English .
https://english.elpais.com/society/2021-01-21/covid-19-vaccination-campaign-in-spain-will-focus-on-over-80s-in-second-phase.html
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Ah yes, journalism ;D
By definition, the over 80's (ie everyone over 80)is a smaller group than the 70-80 group.
So locally speaking, the over 80's were attended to in a couple of weeks, but the over 70's which started this week will take a bit longer, perhaps an extra week and the over 60's will take longer yet as there are more of them and so on ;)
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Mine and SWMBO,s appointment arrived today. Sunday 31st Jan, in a local practice. :y
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Might be a bit heartless to say but why do they have this obsession with old people , uncle George might be 95 but how long do they expect him to live ? all these coffin dodgers seem to take up a disproportionate amount of resources which ultimately has a limited effect , surely they should be concentrating on the younger age groups and work up to the more elderly ?
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Might be a bit heartless to say but why do they have this obsession with old people , uncle George might be 95 but how long do they expect him to live ? all these coffin dodgers seem to take up a disproportionate amount of resources which ultimately has a limited effect , surely they should be concentrating on the younger age groups and work up to the more elderly ?
I believe the thinking is that the older members of society have a very good chance of dying from covid, whereas the young have a very good chance of surviving. So, unless you think the economy is more important than lives, it seems the path most acceptable to most people.
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If you discount the elderly ,you'll loose 95% of your audience on the OOF :D
Chinese virus Is effecting younger people too though ,
though looking at some of the parties and restriction breaches, some of then deserve to be hospitalised :(
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The information being offered at the moment just makes me think that the virus is out to beat everything created to stem its spread, the scenes on the news last night at Heathrow were totally ridiculous cannot understand what some folk are thinking of, rant over stay safe oofers.
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The information being offered at the moment just makes me think that the virus is out to beat everything created to stem its spread, the scenes on the news last night at Heathrow were totally ridiculous cannot understand what some folk are thinking of, rant over stay safe oofers.
Airports are quite big places, surely it is in managements interests to have good press. So what was the manager of Heathrow doing to allow that?
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Might be a bit heartless to say but why do they have this obsession with old people , uncle George might be 95 but how long do they expect him to live ? all these coffin dodgers seem to take up a disproportionate amount of resources which ultimately has a limited effect , surely they should be concentrating on the younger age groups and work up to the more elderly ?
An ill, and possibly dying, elderly person takes up NHS resources just as much as an ill, and possibly dying, young person .... however, the statistics clearly show that the elderly are at far higher risk of being ill, and possibly dying, than the younger person, and take longer to recover, or die. Thus reducing the ill, and possibly dying, elderly numbers reduces the strain on the NHS dramatically.
There is a huge amount of crap being talked about who should be vaccinated .. mostly by self-interested groups - especially trade unions - who simply don't understand that the PRESENT purpose of the vaccination programme is extremely simple ..... to reduce the load on the NHS by reducing the number of people who become seriously ill, and possibly dying .......
It is NOT to give some local mouthpiece a chance to jump the queue.... if they actually obeyed the simple idea of keeping away from others as much as possible, they would reduce the risk to themselves... but that is actually taking responsibility for your own actions .. apparently an anathema these days....
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Might be a bit heartless to say but why do they have this obsession with old people , uncle George might be 95 but how long do they expect him to live ? all these coffin dodgers seem to take up a disproportionate amount of resources which ultimately has a limited effect , surely they should be concentrating on the younger age groups and work up to the more elderly ?
An ill, and possibly dying, elderly person takes up NHS resources just as much as an ill, and possibly dying, young person .... however, the statistics clearly show that the elderly are at far higher risk of being ill, and possibly dying, than the younger person, and take longer to recover, or die. Thus reducing the ill, and possibly dying, elderly numbers reduces the strain on the NHS dramatically.
There is a huge amount of crap being talked about who should be vaccinated .. mostly by self-interested groups - especially trade unions - who simply don't understand that the PRESENT purpose of the vaccination programme is extremely simple ..... to reduce the load on the NHS by reducing the number of people who become seriously ill, and possibly dying .......
It is NOT to give some local mouthpiece a chance to jump the queue.... if they actually obeyed the simple idea of keeping away from others as much as possible, they would reduce the risk to themselves... but that is actually taking responsibility for your own actions .. apparently an anathema these days....
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Absolutely right why do some people find so hard to do such a simple thing asked of them ? Another thing that really annoys me are the stupid questions the media asks I know what my response would be to the idiots.
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1,348 deaths seems high for Saturday reporting.
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Indeed a big number but numbers are dropping again for now
though new mutations seem frighteningly commonplace :(
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Indeed a big number but numbers are dropping again for now
though new mutations seem frighteningly commonplace :(
Have you seen the mutation they've put in number 10? :o
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Boris has been right royally f**king things up at No 10 for ages if that's who you mean :P
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New GOV UK Covid campaign TV comercial (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThkLdlwFdZA)
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1,348 deaths seems high for Saturday reporting.
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That's about two or three passenger planes full, awful to think that has happened nearly every day this week, I'd put money on reaching 2,000 in a day soon.
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Well, according to todays cheery news, it's going to be around forever.
At what point do we actually try and live with it rather than hiding in the cupboard?
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Well, according to todays cheery news, it's going to be around forever.
At what point do we actually try and live with it rather than hiding in the cupboard?
March 2024, possibly ::)
Are you in the cupboard right now?
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No, under the bed currently :D
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No, under the bed currently :D
Any balls of fluff? ;D
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No, under the bed currently :D
Any balls of fluff? ;D
Apart from the dog? :D
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Well, according to todays cheery news, it's going to be around forever.
At what point do we actually try and live with it rather than hiding in the cupboard?
it's been a year and the UK alone has 100 thousand dead ,35 thousand in hospital :(
maybe we should remain a little cautious until we know more than diddly squat about Chinese Virus
no one knows the long term prognosis of people infected or vaccine recipients :-\
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No, under the bed currently :D
Any balls of fluff? ;D
Apart from the dog? :D
The dog is with you? Hope it doesn't let off, you'll probably bang your head getting out quickly, maybe have to go to hospital, possibly catch covid. Then you'll realise it's an actual thing that doesn't just kill old people. Perhaps. :-\
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No, under the bed currently :D
Any balls of fluff? ;D
Apart from the dog? :D
The dog is with you? Hope it doesn't let off, you'll probably bang your head getting out quickly, maybe have to go to hospital, possibly catch covid. Then you'll realise it's an actual thing that doesn't just kill old people. Perhaps. :-\
That.
And don't fit any exhausts, just to be sure ;)
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Don't worry, I learnt from the error of my ways... I promise I will never buy another Focus :D
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Politicians have been right royally f**king things up at No 10 for ages if that's who you mean :P
Fixed that for you.
Boris is just one in a long line of inexperienced entitled idiots from both sides who wouldnt get a job running a small corner shop, but somehow mange to convince people they are capable of running a multi trillion pound organisation that is the UK.
Neither would any of them win at poker, without cheating.
My adult life, since 1985 has not seen much competence AND humanity from any of those in charge.
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Completely agree but we don't have any alternative :(
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Lifted from another website......
All I hear is people say ‘remain positive’ the vaccine is here, a few more months and everything will be back to normal ... REALLY!!!?
So here’s a few questions to Governments we all should be asking if we get vaccinated.
1.- Can I stop wearing the mask? NO
2.- Can they reopen restaurants etc and everyone work normally? NO
3.- Will I be resistant to covid?
- Maybe, but we don't know exactly, it probably won't stop you getting it.
4.- At least I won't be contagious to others anymore? No, you can still pass it on, possibly, nobody knows.
5.- If we vaccinate all children, will school resume normally? NO
6.- If I am vaccinated, can I stop social distancing? NO
7.- If I am vaccinated, can I stop disinfecting my hands? NO
8.- If I vaccinate myself and my grandfather, can we hug each other?NO
9.- Will cinemas, theatres and stadiums be reopened thanks to vaccines? NO
10.- Will the vaccinated be able to gather? NO
11.- What is the real benefit of vaccination? The virus won't kill you.
12.- Are you sure it won't kill me? NO
13.- If statistically the virus didn't kill me anyway ... Why would I get vaccinated?" - To protect others.
14.- So if I get vaccinated, the others are 100% sure I'm not infecting them?NO
So the shot does not give immunity.
Does not eliminate the virus.
Does not prevent death.
Does not guarantee you won’t get it.
Does not prevent you from getting it.
Does not stop you passing it on
Does not eliminate the need for travel bans.
Does not eliminate the need for business closures.
Does not eliminate the need for lockdowns.
Does not eliminate the need for masking.
So, what the hell is it actually doing?
In the meantime ... 600,000 cancer referrals missed since March 2020. Heart disease kills 160,000 people a year in the UK alone, that’s 1 death every 3 minutes. Suicide is at a 20 year high, in the US it’s the highest since World War 2!!! 150,000,000 children globally pushed in to severe poverty due to lockdowns and 16,000 excess deaths linked to the lockdown.
Anyone who believes corrupt governments globally have our best interests at heart are being played on a massive scale but hey, if you feel safe getting an untested ‘long term effect’ vaccine then you go right ahead, that’s your choice.
On the flip side, those wishing to decline the vaccine and let their own immune system kick in with a 99.7%+ recovery rate against Covid then that should be their choice too.
Governments tactics of ‘Divide and Conquer’ are working a treat. They have mask wearers fighting against non mask wearers and those ‘pro vaccine’ fighting against those ‘pro choice’ all the while BIG PHARMA and politicians with vested interests get richer by the day whilst hard working businesses in Nerja,Spain whose livelihoods depend on tourism go under on a daily basis. Peoples anger should not be vented at each other but at governments globally for imposing these draconian measures.
A recent tweet on Twitter below sums it up perfectly
Covid is a true killer. So far it’s killed the flu, cancer, heart disease - it killed the ability to think, logic & common sense. It killed the economy, the working class, & millions of jobs. It killed millions of businesses, human connection, love and compassion."
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Your does it/doesn't it list is applicable to most vaccines.
The Covid one is mendaciously being publicised as a quick, easy solution, when it is really a risk reduction measure. Single humans are poor at risk calculation, which is bad enough. But they're utterly terrible at it in groups. We're so bad at it, that many people can't accept that it's true.
Keep 2m apart is a useful rule, but calling it social distancing was a mistake: that is physical distancing, which is relatively easy to achieve. Social distancing is the stay at home and don't mix with anyone you don't have to, and is both an effective reduction and the cause of all the long term economic/personal/social problems. In this instance, I would suggest that correlation is causation.
The way the government handles things has been a factor: unfounded jokey optimism(it'll be over be Christmas etc)which leads to continual policy U-turns. Their inability to make difficult choices in a worthwhile time. The lack of competent people working up through the Conservative party over the last 20 years, which has led to the inept, incompetent, arrogant chancers in the cabinet. The reliance on questionable 'experts', often working well outside their fields - Cummings was the ultimate example. Squandering of resources - trying to create a new World Beating Track&Trace System in no time flat, when most of what was needed has been available locally for decades. Not quarantining travellers, when Britain is an island
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That's very good, Nick. :y :y :y
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They are now starting to mumble about shutting borders (apart from Ireland of course) but dont seem to have the balls to do it.
Doesnt really matter, they should have done it a year ago.
I watched a programme on ITV about Covid the other night which covered the subject right from the start of the outbreak in China, to where we are now.
At the end it provided a couple of statistics that I could barely believe.
It said that Taiwan has had no lockdown but has had only 7 deaths from Covid. They saw what was happening in China early on and shut their borders straight away.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-55269729
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as i said before ,SARS was a warning ,It was nipped in the bud pretty quickly ,quarantines, travel bans and everyone wearing masks etc
sadly very few countries learned from it >:(
as with most film sequels, many more people die .... SARS 2 (Covid 19)
God help us when they bring out another sequel :o
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as i said before ,SARS was a warning ,It was nipped in the bud pretty quickly ,quarantines, travel bans and everyone wearing masks etc
sadly very few countries learned from it >:(
as with most film sequels, many more people die .... SARS 2 (Covid 19)
God help us when they bring out another sequel :o
You'll have to hope you get through SARS2, or you won't get to see SARS3. ;D
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as i said before ,SARS was a warning ,It was nipped in the bud pretty quickly ,quarantines, travel bans and everyone wearing masks etc
sadly very few countries learned from it >:(
as with most film sequels, many more people die .... SARS 2 (Covid 19)
God help us when they bring out another sequel :o
You'll have to hope you get through SARS2, or you won't get to see SARS3. ;D
I'll just get a pirate copy off the internet :)
oh wait :-[
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Or we could be planning on how to live with it, although I seem to be a lonely minority with this view... :-\
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Or we could be planning on how to live with it, although I seem to be a lonely minority with this view... :-\
This should have been started at the end of the original lockdown. But that would have required a plan, the will and competence to carry it out, and good communication to break through the previous scaremongering and bullshit.
All of which are still absent.
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They say that every dark cloud has a silver lining.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55794995
Lets hope the medical staff dont try too hard to save him. :)
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They say that every dark cloud has a silver lining.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55794995
Lets hope the medical staff dont try too hard to save him. :)
Gesundheit.
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They say that every dark cloud has a silver lining.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55794995
Lets hope the medical staff dont try too hard to save him. :)
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Dealt with that evil c**t when I was working in the segregation unit hope the bastard dies in complete & utter agony.
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They say that every dark cloud has a silver lining.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55794995
Lets hope the medical staff dont try .... to save him. :)
fixed that ....
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Hope the parasite suffers the mother F@(&er.
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I hope he dies really, really quickly so that we can stop paying to feed him.
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They should bring back the death penalty for shit like that >:(
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They should bring back the death penalty for shit like that >:(
No argument there. I believe summary justice is the technical term :-X
Or was it 'Suicide by Police'... :-\
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It doesn’t make sense, people who commit those type of offences where there is no doubt at all about their guilt, should be beaten to death in my opinion. Same for child molesters where guilt is proven without any doubt. Instead of that they are put to live comfortably with good food, and some are even better off than when they were outside.
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It doesn’t make sense, people who commit those type of offences where there is no doubt at all about their guilt, should be beaten to death in my opinion. Same for child molesters where guilt is proven without any doubt. Instead of that they are put to live comfortably with good food, and some are even better off than when they were outside.
Stoning them to death allows for public participation. :y
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It doesn’t make sense, people who commit those type of offences where there is no doubt at all about their guilt, should be beaten to death in my opinion. Same for child molesters where guilt is proven without any doubt. Instead of that they are put to live comfortably with good food, and some are even better off than when they were outside.
Stoning them to death allows for public participation. :y
I'm not sharing my spliff with anyone, especially not him.
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It doesn’t make sense, people who commit those type of offences where there is no doubt at all about their guilt, should be beaten to death in my opinion. Same for child molesters where guilt is proven without any doubt. Instead of that they are put to live comfortably with good food, and some are even better off than when they were outside.
Stoning them to death allows for public participation. :y
I'm not sharing my spliff with anyone, especially not him.
;D
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It doesn’t make sense, people who commit those type of offences where there is no doubt at all about their guilt, should be beaten to death in my opinion. Same for child molesters where guilt is proven without any doubt. Instead of that they are put to live comfortably with good food, and some are even better off than when they were outside.
Stoning them to death allows for public participation. :y
Yes people could do with some sort of diversion (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDe9msExUK8) these days! :y
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He lost a few teeth whilst being restrained in the seg unit what a shame 😂😂😂
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It doesn’t make sense, people who commit those type of offences where there is no doubt at all about their guilt, should be beaten to death in my opinion. Same for child molesters where guilt is proven without any doubt. Instead of that they are put to live comfortably with good food, and some are even better off than when they were outside.
Trouble is they are very different circumstances.
If someone attacks/beheads/dismembers in an clear "terrorist" act someone then they should simply be shot dead on sight. If there is any ambiguity, such as self defence, then the judicial process is the correct approach.
Whilst I agree entirely re child sex offenders, you have to be very careful that there is actual intent rather than simply an unfounded allegation. Only once that has been established to an undisputable level, then, absolutely some form of terminal event is completely appropriate.
Whilst being an advocate of the death penalty, I do believe that the process should be swift and instant rather than slow and drawn out, however tempting this might be. This isn't out of some leftie humanist sympathy, but rather that torture for its own sake, serves no use and should have no place in the punishment process.
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Of course wise words, as I wrote though....... When you have indisputable proof, Get rid of them any way you like, it doesn’t bother me one tiny little bit how it’s done.
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There was a time in history that you had to pay for your own torture,
and then pay to get a doctor to fix you up ready for another bout. The more money you had the more times you were on this roundabout mostly witch finding as we know and I don’t particularly want that back, I certainly would back a far more robust punishment system. Hard to work out maybe but it’s not my job to work it out and if it works well I’m in.
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There was a time in history that you had to pay for your own torture,
and then pay to get a doctor to fix you up ready for another bout.
It's called "Marriage" Rae ;)
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;D ;D ;D
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Thanks Dave, I’ll mention it to the wife......... it’s her birthday today🌪🌪🌪😂😂🤣
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Thanks Dave, I’ll mention it to the wife......... it’s her birthday today🌪🌪🌪😂😂🤣
Hope you got her a nice bunch of flowers Leeks :y
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Don’t worry Dave, I’ve got the correct gift👍 After 40 odd years I have finally found she don’t like um😂😂😂😂.
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Don’t worry Dave, I’ve got the correct gift👍 After 40 odd years I have finally found she don’t like um😂😂😂😂.
Oh dear :( are you and Dolly in the dog house again :'(
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No fear :y we are pucker. Drinking together as we speak😂👍👍
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No fear :y we are pucker. Drinking together as we speak😂👍👍
You and Dolly? Is the missus ok with that?
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Happy house,we’re all happy mate👍👍😂
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Thanks Dave, I’ll mention it to the wife......... it’s her birthday today🌪🌪🌪😂😂🤣
I hope you remembered to get her a card Rae. ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL_1IXedo-M
NWS. ::)
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Ha ha, let’s just say forgetting a card for your wife could change your life. And I ain’t joking.
Of course I’ve a forgiving wife and if I ever did forget...........
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1725 deaths today , soon be 2000 a day & now they are considering easing lockdown! What fuc**ng lockdown.
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Boris is an idiot, again. There is no way he should have mentioned a date today. Within five minutes of him say schools could possibly open, if conditions were right and if it could be shown that the vaccine was stopping people transmitting the virus, head teachers were on sky news saying it was great they now had a date to return and they could start planning. People only hear the date, they do not hear the ifs ands and buts. He should know this by now.
If things are not right by then, he will be accused of a u turn, again, and will probably be too scared to retreat.
Cue another lockdown, back to square one.
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Lots of coulds and maybes on the news now. Good. Reinforce that message.
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Boris is an idiot, again. There is no way he should have mentioned a date today. Within five minutes of him say schools could possibly open, if conditions were right and if it could be shown that the vaccine was stopping people transmitting the virus, head teachers were on sky news saying it was great they now had a date to return and they could start planning. People only hear the date, they do not hear the ifs ands and buts. He should know this by now.
If things are not right by then, he will be accused of a u turn, again, and will probably be too scared to retreat.
Cue another lockdown, back to square one.
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We barely go into a lockdown & then people want to know when it's ending are some folk that stupid ? Surely the figures speak for themselves , I really despair with a lot of the human race.
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Me too, but theres a lot of it about and TB isnt allowed to carry out his cull, so it seems we are a bit stuck.
Different subject, but the same kind of people, in that the level of stupidity is mind boggling.
A work colleague rented out a boat he owns in Watford to a nice young couple who needed somewhere to live for a while.
They gave him £50 cash deposit (all they had on them) and promised the rest would be in his bank the next day.
It wasnt, nor the day ofter that. they werent answering calls or replying to texts, so he started getting nervous.He went onto the boating equivalent of OOF and asked people in the area if they could take a look for him.
First reply was "Im sure I saw that boat heading towards Uxbridge yesterday. with lots of smoke billowing out the back::)
This worried him even more as he warned them not to move it as the engine was running rough and needed new injectors.
Someone who doesnt mind a bit of aggro volunteered to have a look around Uxbridge waterway, and sure enough found it parked up in a secluded spot.
He went on board, woke them up and gave them two minutes to get off the boat, which they didnt argue with.
Now the bloke who wouldnt answer his phone etc. is bombarding the owner with texts about how disgusted he is with the manner in which he was woken up and slung off the boat with nowhere to go.
Owner replied "You stole my fickin boat you lowlife scum etc. etc.
Apparently that isnt relevant. Its no excuse for how he was treated.
"Youve also wrecked my fickin engine you moron".
"Dont care, Im still going to report your mate, for his threatening behaviour". ;D
Point is, what hope is there for the future, when "people" like that are allowed to wander freely among us ? ::)
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Well the EU are really losing their shit over the AstraZeneca production delays. ::)
Yesterday they made veiled threats about imposing export bans of vaccine to 3rd countries (they really meant the UK), and today they are demanding supply from the UK! AZ have said that they will fulfil the UK's contract of 100 million doses first, as the UK's contract was signed three months before the EU got round to their order. :y
Meanwhile the EMA haven't even approved the AZ vaccine yet, Spain are going to pause their vaccination programme for 2 weeks due to lack of supply, the Dutch are rioting over lockdown, the German tabloids have been printing lies about the effectiveness of the AZ vaccine and it looks like the Italian's will be having another election soon! ::)
It would all be quite amusing if the consequences weren't so tragic, but at the end of the day thank God we left that complete and utter shit show! :y
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Well said. :y
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Well the EU are really losing their shit over the AstraZeneca production delays. ::)
Yesterday they made veiled threats about imposing export bans of vaccine to 3rd countries (they really meant the UK), and today they are demanding supply from the UK! AZ have said that they will fulfil the UK's contract of 100 million doses first, as the UK's contract was signed three months before the EU got round to their order. :y
Meanwhile the EMA haven't even approved the AZ vaccine yet, Spain are going to pause their vaccination programme for 2 weeks due to lack of supply, the Dutch are rioting over lockdown, the German tabloids have been printing lies about the effectiveness of the AZ vaccine and it looks like the Italian's will be having another election soon! ::)
It would all be quite amusing if the consequences weren't so tragic, but at the end of the day thank God we left that complete and utter shit show! :y
Doesn't bode well for Pfizer second vaccines.
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A work colleague rented out a boat he owns in Watford .......
Four canal :o
I'd have given them a swim ,and all their stuff
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Well the EU are really losing their shit over the AstraZeneca production delays. ::)
Yesterday they made veiled threats about imposing export bans of vaccine to 3rd countries (they really meant the UK), and today they are demanding supply from the UK! AZ have said that they will fulfil the UK's contract of 100 million doses first, as the UK's contract was signed three months before the EU got round to their order. :y
Meanwhile the EMA haven't even approved the AZ vaccine yet, Spain are going to pause their vaccination programme for 2 weeks due to lack of supply, the Dutch are rioting over lockdown, the German tabloids have been printing lies about the effectiveness of the AZ vaccine and it looks like the Italian's will be having another election soon! ::)
It would all be quite amusing if the consequences weren't so tragic, but at the end of the day thank God we left that complete and utter shit show! :y
Luigi said you canna fùck off you fata greasy pig. ;D
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Merkel is apparently sponsored by China, so there's that :D
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Well the EU are really losing their shit over the AstraZeneca production delays. ::)
Yesterday they made veiled threats about imposing export bans of vaccine to 3rd countries (they really meant the UK), and today they are demanding supply from the UK! AZ have said that they will fulfil the UK's contract of 100 million doses first, as the UK's contract was signed three months before the EU got round to their order. :y
Meanwhile the EMA haven't even approved the AZ vaccine yet, Spain are going to pause their vaccination programme for 2 weeks due to lack of supply, the Dutch are rioting over lockdown, the German tabloids have been printing lies about the effectiveness of the AZ vaccine and it looks like the Italian's will be having another election soon! ::)
It would all be quite amusing if the consequences weren't so tragic, but at the end of the day thank God we left that complete and utter shit show! :y
Luigi said you canna fùck off you fata greasy pig. ;D
Probably a fair comment Uncle Stemo, as I seem to have developed a liking for Tesco's finest chocolate cake during lockdowns. :-\ ;D
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Well the EU are really losing their shit over the AstraZeneca production delays. ::)
Yesterday they made veiled threats about imposing export bans of vaccine to 3rd countries (they really meant the UK), and today they are demanding supply from the UK! AZ have said that they will fulfil the UK's contract of 100 million doses first, as the UK's contract was signed three months before the EU got round to their order. :y
Meanwhile the EMA haven't even approved the AZ vaccine yet, Spain are going to pause their vaccination programme for 2 weeks due to lack of supply, the Dutch are rioting over lockdown, the German tabloids have been printing lies about the effectiveness of the AZ vaccine and it looks like the Italian's will be having another election soon! ::)
It would all be quite amusing if the consequences weren't so tragic, but at the end of the day thank God we left that complete and utter shit show! :y
Luigi said you canna fùck off you fata greasy pig. ;D
Probably a fair comment Uncle Stemo, as I seem to have developed a liking for Tesco's finest chocolate cake during lockdowns. :-\ ;D
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Dunno about cake but my liking for alcohol seems to have increased..😁
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Thank fk we are out of that fkg shit
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Well the EU are really losing their shit over the AstraZeneca production delays. ::)
Yesterday they made veiled threats about imposing export bans of vaccine to 3rd countries (they really meant the UK), and today they are demanding supply from the UK! AZ have said that they will fulfil the UK's contract of 100 million doses first, as the UK's contract was signed three months before the EU got round to their order. :y
Meanwhile the EMA haven't even approved the AZ vaccine yet, Spain are going to pause their vaccination programme for 2 weeks due to lack of supply, the Dutch are rioting over lockdown, the German tabloids have been printing lies about the effectiveness of the AZ vaccine and it looks like the Italian's will be having another election soon! ::)
It would all be quite amusing if the consequences weren't so tragic, but at the end of the day thank God we left that complete and utter shit show! :y
Luigi said you canna fùck off you fata greasy pig. ;D
Probably a fair comment Uncle Stemo, as I seem to have developed a liking for Tesco's finest chocolate cake during lockdowns. :-\ ;D
Their Salted Caramel is to die for... Seven a week and it won't take long :D
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Merkel is apparently sponsored by China, so there's that :D
You may be right.
https://order-order.com/2021/01/27/merkel-tells-davos-eu-should-not-pick-us-over-china/
I like the line at the bottom. " If you think there is moral equivalence between a Genocidal Communist state and a free Democracy, then you have a problem".
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The problem is that stupid people don't know how stupid they are, or the basic fact they are stupid....
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That applies regardless of what word you substitute 'stupid' for... Whether it's suprior, arrogant, entitled, moral or even 'christian'...
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The problem is that stupid people don't know how stupid they are, or the basic fact they are stupid....
Then they meet up with other people, and get worse - "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups", George Carlin. Which leads to:
The EU regulations about import/exports, are not new! They're exactly what we signed up to benefit from nearly fifty years ago, and opted out of two(three, whatever the hell it is) years ago. Everything that is happening now was predicted at the time.
The ONLY people who can complain about the consequences are those who voted to remain. And because the decision was made using our democratic process, complaining about it after the fact is all they can do.
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Therapeutics Are gonna be the way forward, And it is these who are going to be all over the news after there phase 3 trials which start this month.
https://www.synairgen.com/
We will be coming back to this one..... Mark my words :y
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Therapeutics Are gonna be the way forward, And it is these who are going to be all over the news after there phase 3 trials which start this month.
https://www.synairgen.com/
We will be coming back to this one..... Mark my words :y
Good investment perhaps?
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I see on the news Captain Tom is in Hospital with the Chinese Virus , poor bloke :(
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I'd seen that hope he makes it through :y
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Nearly 9 million people vaccinated now, things are certainly moving apace :y
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I feel a slight sense of shame that only 25 people have been vaccinated in Africa. Yes, 25.
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I feel a slight sense of shame that only 25 people have been vaccinated in Africa. Yes, 25.
That europrick Martin Selmayr has been on Twitter boasting that Europe has vaccinated more people than Africa. ::) Fekin knob! >:(
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I feel a slight sense of shame that only 25 people have been vaccinated in Africa. Yes, 25.
That europrick Martin Selmayr has been on Twitter boasting that Europe has vaccinated more people than Africa. ::) Fekin knob! >:(
More than 25? Hardly an achievement of note.
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I feel a slight sense of shame that only 25 people have been vaccinated in Africa. Yes, 25.
we sent thousands as trials to use them as "papua new Guine pigs" Australia /Africa :-\ it's all past the ice-wall at the edge of the earth to me :D
and Google CNN says 270 million doses secured
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I see on the news Captain Tom is in Hospital with the Chinese Virus , poor bloke :(
He was admitted to hospital with pneumomia, which he has had for a few weeks with no improvement, it was on a "routine check" that they found he was covid-19 positive .... so to imply he was admitted with covid is a tad OTT.
He has not had the covid-19 vaccination because of the medication he has been on for the pneumonia.
He is not in intensive care but is being treated for pneumonia with additional oxygen.
I also hope he pulls through .. but pneumonia at 100 is no laughing matter .....
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Just to ensure no-one gets upset .. perhaps I should have written..
.... so for the media to imply he was admitted with covid is a tad OTT.... but why let the truth get in the way of a good headline .....
I did not intend to imply Dave was being OTT...
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There's always more to the story
Sky said he's just come back from Barbados :-\
you'd think he'd have been advised against such a trip
I hope he recovers soon
Just shows Covid isn't picky who it attacks
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There's always more to the story
Sky said he's just come back from Barbados :-\
you'd think he'd have been advised against such a trip
I hope he recovers soon
Just shows Covid isn't picky who it attacks
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He's definitely a brave man getting on a plane, I wouldn't get anywhere near one at the moment.
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Nope, a hundred year old getting on with life 8)
As an observation, no one is calling him selfish for travelling against doctors advice...
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Nope, a hundred year old getting on with life 8)
As an observation, no one is calling him selfish for travelling against doctors advice...
Yes I agree with that, although I don’t blame the old bugger for trying to get a bit more enjoyment in the time he has left.
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Well I am gobsmacked if he has been to barbados. Like you say good on him for enjoying life however....
Isn't it UK policy "only essential travel". Holidays are not essential travel. We cannot even travel out of province or in many cases out of town.
This is exactly how variants came to Britain or indeed other countries. Portugal now has the worst death rate per capita of any European country because they did not close their border with Brazil ( obviously a lot of travel as a former colony) They have closed it now. Familiar story? Spain has closed its border with Portugal. We now have surging rates. The worst affected town in Andalucia is just 10 miles from us. Our nearest village had idiots have a party at new year and then went home and gave their parents CV19. One dead so far.
Talking of dead. I wonder what travel insurance Capt Toms family had on him. Very risky travelling at that age. Mind you your government would have repatriated his body or sick frame.
You can get a vaccination against pneumonia ( don't know if it is bacterial or viral) Costs circa £20 from our local chemist here in Spain. If you are in a risk category e.g. done a lot of welding in your lifetime, you get it automatically here when you have your flu jab. Only the one jab necessary against pneumonia.
Just checked on our vaccination website and mine is due between 1.3.21 and 31.5.21
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One rule for thee, and one for mee ::)
Which reinforces the point that a lockdown should either amount to enforced Martial Law or not even be a 'thing' :-X
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According to he BBC Capt Tom went to Barbados in December, so I think it's a bit of a stretch to think that his trip was responsible. ???
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According to he BBC Capt Tom went to Barbados in December, so I think it's a bit of a stretch to think that his trip was responsible. ???
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Poor old boy probably didn't have a clue what was going on, free holiday thought the family yes we'll have some of that, it will all end in tears.
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According to he BBC Capt Tom went to Barbados in December, so I think it's a bit of a stretch to think that his trip was responsible. ???
You jest. We will make a politician of you yet. Responsible? Irresponsible ? ;D
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Whatever happens, he's had a very long and interesting life. No one lives for ever.
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Whatever happens, he's had a very long and interesting life. No one lives for ever.
indeed
Psalm 90:10
"The years of our life are threescore and ten,
or even by reason of strength fourscore;
yet their span is but toil and trouble;
they are soon gone, and we fly away"
"3 score and ten"
so he's already sneaked another score and ten in :)
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So, with that in mind...
Are we allowed out or not?
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So, with that in mind...
Are we allowed out or not?
No
You're grounded :D
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So, with that in mind...
Are we allowed out or not?
No
You're grounded :D
Yeh stay where you are, apparently round your way the Seff Efrican virus is rife!? ??? :o :D
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Stay home stay safe, unless you need to go out, makes perfect sense to me no mixing unless you're in a bubble as long as they have several bubbles going as well ,any wonder it's spreading, And if you fancy a trip to Barbados do that as well.
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According to he BBC Capt Tom went to Barbados in December, so I think it's a bit of a stretch to think that his trip was responsible. ???
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Poor old boy probably didn't have a clue what was going on, free holiday thought the family yes we'll have some of that, it will all end in tears.
Yeah , tier 4
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Jab Diplomacy....
I saw some neighbours walk by earlier and I asked them if they'd had their jab yet, to which she replied tartly " I'm not even 60 yet! " and marched on up the hill muttering about having work to do. Ooops! ::) ;D
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Jab Diplomacy....
I saw some neighbours walk by earlier and I asked them if they'd had their jab yet, to which she replied tartly " I'm not even 60 yet! " and marched on up the hill muttering about having work to do. Ooops! ::) ;D
The old scouse lad has had his jab. He is old, but not over 80. So it's a case of queue jumping or he has slipped somebody a few bob. :D ;D
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Jab Diplomacy....
I saw some neighbours walk by earlier and I asked them if they'd had their jab yet, to which she replied tartly " I'm not even 60 yet! " and marched on up the hill muttering about having work to do. Ooops! ::) ;D
The old scouse lad has had his jab. He is old, but not over 80. So it's a case of queue jumping or he has slipped somebody a few bob. :D ;D
Mind you own business.
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Jab Diplomacy....
I saw some neighbours walk by earlier and I asked them if they'd had their jab yet, to which she replied tartly " I'm not even 60 yet! " and marched on up the hill muttering about having work to do. Ooops! ::) ;D
The old scouse lad has had his jab. He is old, but not over 80. So it's a case of queue jumping or he has slipped somebody a few bob. :D ;D
Perhaps he's vulnerable in ways we don't know care about?
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Or...perhaps I already said, but some people CBA to read.