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Title: Pikeys
Post by: TheBoy on 15 October 2018, 18:42:50
Seems they drove at least 2 or 3 miles, surely they could have stopped on hard shoulder?
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 15 October 2018, 18:45:27
Jetlag ?  ???
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: dave the builder on 15 October 2018, 18:58:42
Seems they drove at least 2 or 3 miles, surely they could have stopped on hard shoulder?
hard shoulder is for emergency use only
anything else would be naughty / anti-social / frowned upon  :y
plus you need road tax to park on the public highway  ;)
need you drive Tarmacin mister  :-\
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: TheBoy on 15 October 2018, 19:07:32
The M40 incident earlier....
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: TheBoy on 15 October 2018, 19:08:45
For those who may not have heard traffic/national news

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-45869648
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: Auto Addict on 15 October 2018, 19:12:50
It's caravan owners that give caravans a bad name ::)
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: dave the builder on 15 October 2018, 19:19:26
For those who may not have heard traffic/national news

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-45869648
Oh I see  :-[
the stage coach won't bring the newspaper to these parts for another week  ;D
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: 2boxerdogs on 15 October 2018, 19:39:42
Sat nav error, can't trust them.😂
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: STEMO on 15 October 2018, 19:44:10
Be an old, confused fool towing a pikey wagon.

Where's Barry?  ;
Edit: it's ok, he posted earlier. Phew!  ;D
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: Entwood on 15 October 2018, 19:52:34
Not withstanding all the pikey comments .. well used to them by now ... I struggle to understand how ANYONE ends up "accidentally" on the wrong side .... all the exit junctions (which would have become an "entry") are deliberately designed to make it extremely difficult to turn on "incorrectly". ... tight turns, angled roads, high kerbs, etc etc

I believe the concept is called "passive design" and is a major part of all road planning, and has been for many years. IIRC, there was even a load of "retrospective" work done on many junctions that were not originally designed that way.

 :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 15 October 2018, 20:07:26
Seems they drove at least 2 or 3 miles, surely they could have stopped on hard shoulder?
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Ah, but has the M40 still got a hard shoulder and not converted to a smart motorway?

I seem to remember when I last went in that direction it was being 'converted'.

How do people drive the wrong way though on any motorway!  Have met them a few times though in my driving career ::) ::)
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: tunnie on 15 October 2018, 20:40:35
That's all standard motorway, none of the M40 is going smart. M4 is....

Hopefully the crash destroyed the caravan, one less on the road.  :)
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 15 October 2018, 22:11:34
I didn't watch the national news earlier. Im sick & tired of the news and trying to avoid it.  :D
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: deviator on 16 October 2018, 08:23:58
Here it is just before the accident. Some good reaction times here.
https://twitter.com/AlexVarga_/status/1051898094428844033
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: tunnie on 16 October 2018, 08:36:14
Here it is just before the accident. Some good reaction times here.
https://twitter.com/AlexVarga_/status/1051898094428844033

Holy crap  :o :o :o

I was thinking he made a wrong choice and was in or around the hard shoulder, not blasting down lane 3.  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: aaronjb on 16 October 2018, 09:43:45
Take his license away.
Then shoot him.
Then shoot his family.

Looks like a Hyundai .. Terracan maybe? Jimmy....

The same(ish) stretch was at a standstill this morning (northbound, I was going southbound) after another big shunt. Won't be long until it's made "Smart" to stop these kinds of incidents*


*that's sarcasm, btw.

That's all standard motorway, none of the M40 is going smart. M4 is....

Which I'm pretty sure is why it's quicker for me to detour 20 miles across Silverstone and come down the M40 (unsmart) than it is to drive down the M1 (smart)..
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 16 October 2018, 09:56:28
Blind panic probably :'(

At least he's in the left lane ( to him) and not traveling that fast*.

Obviously any speed against the traffic is too fast, but appears to be a result of utter confusion rather than malice... And just goes to show that even normal people freeze up when they find themselves in a situation that they can't quite believe.

The front seat passenger must have been going bananas...

Fortunately nobody was killed.

Foreign Scooby Forrester... Dutch, Swiss or Belgian from size of the front plate :-\
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 16 October 2018, 10:34:55
Anyone been charged?
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: omegod on 16 October 2018, 11:10:54
Very quiet on this one, I wonder if it did involve the travelling community ? hence the quietness as we wouldn't want to disparage a minority group
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: deviator on 16 October 2018, 12:28:47
I think it was one of those foreign types, coming over here and using our roads.  ;)

Sadly 3 people have died as a result of this. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-45878215

RIP.
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 16 October 2018, 12:37:47
I think it was one of those foreign types, coming over here and using our roads.  ;)

Sadly 3 people have died as a result of this. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-45878215

RIP.


..............and the report states "The driver and passenger [of the errant car and caravan], both in their 80s, and the driver of the Ford Mondeo who was in his 30s, died in the accident."

So it looks like some silly old sod became confused??  I will now stop complaining about the 3 year licence review I get as a diabetic, with a medical this year to test my "fitness to drive"!!  But there again everyone over 70 gets a licence review now every three years anyway, so it just proves that does not guarantee everyone's fitness to drive.

Sad about the three deaths :'( :'(
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: STEMO on 16 October 2018, 12:49:23
I think it was one of those foreign types, coming over here and using our roads.  ;)

Sadly 3 people have died as a result of this. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-45878215

RIP.


..............and the report states "The driver and passenger [of the errant car and caravan], both in their 80s, and the driver of the Ford Mondeo who was in his 30s, died in the accident."

So it looks like some silly old sod became confused??  I will now stop complaining about the 3 year licence review I get as a diabetic, with a medical this year to test my "fitness to drive"!!  But there again everyone over 70 gets a licence review now every three years anyway, so it just proves that does not guarantee everyone's fitness to drive.

Sad about the three deaths :'( :'(
One of them, anyway.
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 16 October 2018, 14:00:42
I think it was one of those foreign types, coming over here and using our roads.  ;)

Sadly 3 people have died as a result of this. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-45878215

RIP.


..............and the report states "The driver and passenger [of the errant car and caravan], both in their 80s, and the driver of the Ford Mondeo who was in his 30s, died in the accident."

So it looks like some silly old sod became confused??  I will now stop complaining about the 3 year licence review I get as a diabetic, with a medical this year to test my "fitness to drive"!!  But there again everyone over 70 gets a licence review now every three years anyway, so it just proves that does not guarantee everyone's fitness to drive.

Sad about the three deaths :'( :'(
Wouldn't have covered them any way as not uk citizens  ::)

Bit slow reporting the fatalities though, when I typed my post this morning there was no mention... :'(
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 16 October 2018, 14:45:29
I think it was one of those foreign types, coming over here and using our roads.  ;)

Sadly 3 people have died as a result of this. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-45878215

RIP.


..............and the report states "The driver and passenger [of the errant car and caravan], both in their 80s, and the driver of the Ford Mondeo who was in his 30s, died in the accident."

So it looks like some silly old sod became confused??  I will now stop complaining about the 3 year licence review I get as a diabetic, with a medical this year to test my "fitness to drive"!!  But there again everyone over 70 gets a licence review now every three years anyway, so it just proves that does not guarantee everyone's fitness to drive.

Sad about the three deaths :'( :'(
Wouldn't have covered them any way as not uk citizens ::)

Bit slow reporting the fatalities though, when I typed my post this morning there was no mention... :'(

Maybe, but just because they MAY be non-residents of the UK does not mean they are not subject to medical assessment in their mother country in line with EU policy.

https://ec.europa.eu/transport/road_safety/topics/behaviour/fitness_to_drive_en

 ;)
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: LC0112G on 16 October 2018, 15:54:16
But there again everyone over 70 gets a licence review now every three years anyway, so it just proves that does not guarantee everyone's fitness to drive.

But it's not enforced. Both my mum (89) and dad (86) still have their driving licenses, and neither have ever been assessed. It seems you just apply to renew your license, and 99.99% of the time DVLA just re-issue it. None of my elderly relatives (and I've got about 20) have ever been asked to do anything to retain their licenses past 70. So providing your doctor doesn't stick his/her oar in, and you don't have too many prangs.....
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: TheBoy on 16 October 2018, 17:57:05
I don't think my Mum, 82, has ever done more than reapply (bar the courses and fines etc for being a naughty girl).

But then, my dear old mum is a better driver than most I encounter on the road.
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: TheBoy on 16 October 2018, 17:59:24
Sat nav error, can't trust them.😂
You jest, but the stupid handheld ones can easily get the wrong direction after stopping for any reason, eg traffic, and won't correct until its convinced of direction of movement.  During this time, it can give duff instructions.  They should be banned.
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 16 October 2018, 18:39:04
Sat nav error, can't trust them.😂
You jest, but the stupid handheld ones can easily get the wrong direction after stopping for any reason, eg traffic, and won't correct until its convinced of direction of movement.  During this time, it can give duff instructions.  They should be banned.
Because we all know just how good built in ones are ;D
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: STEMO on 16 October 2018, 18:40:25
Sat nav error, can't trust them.😂
You jest, but the stupid handheld ones can easily get the wrong direction after stopping for any reason, eg traffic, and won't correct until its convinced of direction of movement.  During this time, it can give duff instructions.  They should be banned.
Because we all know just how good built in ones are ;D
He's only been back five minutes and he's scrapped our railways and sat navs already.  ;D
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: Kevin Wood on 16 October 2018, 18:48:52
Sat nav error, can't trust them.😂
You jest, but the stupid handheld ones can easily get the wrong direction after stopping for any reason, eg traffic, and won't correct until its convinced of direction of movement.  During this time, it can give duff instructions.  They should be banned.
Because we all know just how good built in ones are ;D
They're great when you accidentally drive through a wormhole and end up back in 1978, because the maps are then perfectly up to date. ;D
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: Entwood on 16 October 2018, 20:36:41
Take his license away.
Then shoot him.
Then shoot his family.


Looks like a Hyundai .. Terracan maybe? Jimmy....

The same(ish) stretch was at a standstill this morning (northbound, I was going southbound) after another big shunt. Won't be long until it's made "Smart" to stop these kinds of incidents*


*that's sarcasm, btw.

That's all standard motorway, none of the M40 is going smart. M4 is....

Which I'm pretty sure is why it's quicker for me to detour 20 miles across Silverstone and come down the M40 (unsmart) than it is to drive down the M1 (smart)..

 :'( :'( :'(   Not the most sensible of posts IMHO, with 3 people dead.

I doubt there was the intention to kill, or die, in the minds of the folks in the vehicles, who will have all had families and friends now suffering great loss.
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 16 October 2018, 21:41:56
At the time of posting there was no mention of fatalities.

Hindsight and all that...
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: aaronjb on 17 October 2018, 08:55:20
At the time of posting there was no mention of fatalities.

Hindsight and all that...

Indeed, at the time I posted, nobody knew what had happened. We'll all be old one day (some of us already are), so I take back the shooting.

You jest, but the stupid handheld ones can easily get the wrong direction after stopping for any reason, eg traffic, and won't correct until its convinced of direction of movement.  During this time, it can give duff instructions.  They should be banned.

Sat nav did try to have me go the wrong way down what I suspect might have been a one way street, yesterday, detouring through St Albans to avoid carnage on the M1. But, not being a blithering idiot, I ignored it and took notice of the road markings, instead.
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: Auto Addict on 17 October 2018, 09:40:30
I took the ROSPA advanced driving test a few years ago to make sure I was still up to scratch (and passed).

Taken a couple of refreshers since then as well.

I think I will know when I'm too old to drive (hopefully).

Reaction times are obviously not as good as when I was in my 20's, but I drive accordingly.

So, if I'm not breaking the speed limit on an empty road, and you come up behind me - then up yours :D
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: TheBoy on 17 October 2018, 19:50:45
Sat nav error, can't trust them.😂
You jest, but the stupid handheld ones can easily get the wrong direction after stopping for any reason, eg traffic, and won't correct until its convinced of direction of movement.  During this time, it can give duff instructions.  They should be banned.
Because we all know just how good built in ones are ;D
Yes, excellent :).  Can't wait to get the Jag one fixed, because the gayPhone won't survive much longer...
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: TheBoy on 17 October 2018, 19:52:22
So, if I'm not breaking the speed limit on an empty road, and you come up behind me - then up yours :D
Not much chance of that, Silver Pikey, as we know the truth or your, errrr, "45mph" :P
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: YZ250 on 18 October 2018, 11:29:12
.... all the exit junctions (which would have become an "entry") are deliberately designed to make it extremely difficult to turn on "incorrectly". ... tight turns, angled roads, high kerbs, etc etc

I believe the concept is called "passive design" and is a major part of all road planning, and has been for many years. IIRC

I agree Nige but, strangely in this case, if you are on the flyover on Ibstone Road near Stokenchurch, you can turn down the M40 exit quite easily from either direction. Against two massive No Entry signs i grant you. Very sad outcome all the same.
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: Entwood on 18 October 2018, 13:17:46
.... all the exit junctions (which would have become an "entry") are deliberately designed to make it extremely difficult to turn on "incorrectly". ... tight turns, angled roads, high kerbs, etc etc

I believe the concept is called "passive design" and is a major part of all road planning, and has been for many years. IIRC

I agree Nige but, strangely in this case, if you are on the flyover on Ibstone Road near Stokenchurch, you can turn down the M40 exit quite easily from either direction. Against two massive No Entry signs i grant you. Very sad outcome all the same.

Thanks for that... as I don't frequent or know the area it might explain things ... wonder why that particular junction remains "unmodified" ....  a point for the coroner to raise if that is a part of the reason behind this unfortunate sequence of events ??  ...  :(

EDIT:

Just google earthed that junction and I see what you mean !! Not a roundabout to be seen just simple junctions...  ... not good passive design at all...


you can almost imagine the "turn right (or left) in 200 yards" and the right (or left) turn arrows on the screen command being misinterpreted  and the early turn happening .....

:(
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 18 October 2018, 13:34:54
Junction 20B A12 southbound is another one which is easy to get onto in the wrong direction if you don't know it. A woman and her children were killed doing this several years ago. Although the signage is better now than it was then.
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: deviator on 18 October 2018, 15:47:28
And it continues.... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-45901084 it appears the couple in the Forrester had had an accident 5 days prior.
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: aaronjb on 18 October 2018, 17:08:32
"Mr Richards [Mondeo driving victim] was in the Army for nine years, serving as an engineer and safety officer in Iraq, Afghanistan and Jordan."

Poor bugger survived tours out there only to get mown down on the M40  :(
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: STEMO on 18 October 2018, 17:10:40
"Mr Richards [Mondeo driving victim] was in the Army for nine years, serving as an engineer and safety officer in Iraq, Afghanistan and Jordan."

Poor bugger survived tours out there only to get mown down on the M40  :(
Have you clocked off?  ;D
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: aaronjb on 18 October 2018, 17:23:41
Have you clocked off?  ;D

Yep, officially. And walked the dog. And now I'm on a conference call.. so no.  :P
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: STEMO on 18 October 2018, 17:24:44
Have you clocked off?  ;D

Yep, officially. And walked the dog. And now I'm on a conference call.. so no.  :P
Only joking, don't get all defensive on me  ;D
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: aaronjb on 18 October 2018, 17:26:17
Have you clocked off?  ;D

Yep, officially. And walked the dog. And now I'm on a conference call.. so no.  :P
Only joking, don't get all defensive on me  ;D

I'm not defen.. wait, that's being defensive. ;D
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 18 October 2018, 17:29:35
Have you clocked off?  ;D

Yep, officially. And walked the dog. And now I'm on a conference call.. so no.  :P
Only joking, don't get all defensive on me  ;D

I'm not defen.. wait, that's being defensive. ;D
Don't you go all passive aggressive on us...
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: STEMO on 18 October 2018, 17:31:21
Well....I'll never find out, because I slow down.  ;D
Live coward v dead hero and all that.
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 18 October 2018, 17:33:01
"Mr Richards [Mondeo driving victim] was in the Army for nine years, serving as an engineer and safety officer in Iraq, Afghanistan and Jordan."

Poor bugger survived tours out there only to get mown down on the M40  :(
Perhaps he made a conscious decision to stop the vehicle and potentially save everyone behind...

Often wonder what I would do in that scenario... Quite often pull up behind people reversing off the M23  at the gatwick exit
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: STEMO on 18 October 2018, 17:33:23
Oops....I seem to have aquaplaned into the wrong thread.  ;D
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 18 October 2018, 17:48:31
You do it all the time, we just don't bother mentioning it normally.  :)
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: STEMO on 18 October 2018, 18:02:16
You do it all the time, we just don't bother mentioning it normally.  :)
Thank you.  :)
Title: Re: Pikeys
Post by: tunnie on 18 October 2018, 20:10:23
Poor sod in the Mondeo, survive those army tours only to be taken out by an old duffer driving wrong way on a UK motorway.  :'(