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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Andy B on 14 March 2024, 11:56:22
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Surprised at the level of anger at the 20mph limit. Just shows that they live in a different world from the rest of us .....
BBC News - Mark Drakeford defends 20mph law before stepping down
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-68562547
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the problem is actually caused by us anyway realy when you look at it . not us individually but as a collective group of "people, drivers ,etc ". most laws and penalties , fines etc are only made because we cannot be relied upon to actually drive sensibly in the first place . if nobody ever speeded then there would never be any speedlimits cameras or fines !.pretty obvious realy and relates to many other laws too. but putting 20mph signs up doesnt actually do anything and seems to actually make some drivers actually go faster .(certainly round by me they do !) you struggle to drive 20 in a 20 zone without being tooted or overtaken . ive not got a problem with any speed limits especially if they show a reduction in accidents
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Drakeford is a jumped up parish councillor with delusions of grandeur.
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I've not got a problem with any speed limits especially if they show a reduction in accidents
I agree with your sentiments but as town/village limits are generally for the pedestrians benefit, why can't we just teach pedestrians to cross the road safely. ::) When I'm with my grandchildren I instill in to them the importance of the road being clear before they even attempt to cross the road.
Then some dumb arse changes the hierarchy in the highway code to allow pedestrians to step out in front of cars because they now have the god given right to in certain instances. I'm still telling my grandchildren "If it ain't clear, don't cross".
Incidentally, the new highway code rules have apparently increased the fatalities by 7%, so we must never assume that those who bring in changes are clever. ;D
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There's an environmental argument against such low speeds as vehicles simply aren't designed to travel so slowly... Not to mention the fact that localised pollution is increased by virtue of traffic build up.
Lundun being a case in point as localised pollution increases in direct proportion to each drop in traffic speed/flow.
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Drakeford is a jumped up parish councillor with delusions of grandeur.
Yep he’s a prick👍
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the problem is actually caused by us anyway realy when you look at it . not us individually but as a collective group of "people, drivers ,etc ". most laws and penalties , fines etc are only made because we cannot be relied upon to actually drive sensibly in the first place . if nobody ever speeded then there would never be any speedlimits cameras or fines !.pretty obvious realy and relates to many other laws too. but putting 20mph signs up doesnt actually do anything and seems to actually make some drivers actually go faster .(certainly round by me they do !) you struggle to drive 20 in a 20 zone without being tooted or overtaken . ive not got a problem with any speed limits especially if they show a reduction in accidents
I dislike Dripford, but the 20mph thing is the least of my problems with him.
Right outside my house the speed limit is 20, and has been for quite some time. It's like a race track. Not just boy-racers with their modified Corsas, ordinary people who if you met in a pub you would regard as sensible, drive like lunatics. Crossing the road is hard. I'd contribute towards a speed camera.
I blame modern cars. Remote and isolated from the outside World. Overpowered, yes, overpowered. Just why do we need top speeds of 130+ mph and 150/250 + BHP? Please explain. I would add that I've had more than my fair share of speeding tickets.
High speeds on motorways are one thing. No pedestrians, a high speed environment. 30/40 mph in an urban area is bloody dangerous.
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I agree with all that but a 20mph or even a 10 or 5mph limit would have zero impact on fools and criminals who drive too fast passing schools etc
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I blame modern cars. Remote and isolated from the outside World. Overpowered, yes, overpowered. Just why do we need top speeds of 130+ mph and 150/250 + BHP? Please explain. I would add that I've had more than my fair share of speeding tickets.
Why so little, not sure I could live long term with much less than 300 now :'(
AT the end of the day, its not the car, its the seat wheel interface
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My issue with the Welsh 20mph is where its done, narrow streets, loads of parked cars, schools etc, no issue, the main roads in and out and around Swansea..........no.
He is a bell end who has no interest in those who elected him, i hope he gets run over by a 3mph road roller
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There's an environmental argument against such low speeds as vehicles simply aren't designed to travel so slowly... Not to mention the fact that localised pollution is increased by virtue of traffic build up.
Lundun being a case in point as localised pollution increases in direct proportion to each drop in traffic speed/flow.
Yet, some motorways have displayed the Matrix boards to reduce the speed limit to 60mph to 'improve air quality' (supposedly)...the M1 near Sheffield being one ???
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There's an environmental argument against such low speeds as vehicles simply aren't designed to travel so slowly... Not to mention the fact that localised pollution is increased by virtue of traffic build up.
Lundun being a case in point as localised pollution increases in direct proportion to each drop in traffic speed/flow.
Yet, some motorways have displayed the Matrix boards to reduce the speed limit to 60mph to 'improve air quality' (supposedly)...the M1 near Sheffield being one ???
I would have thought that the quicker you get through a built up area on the motorway, the less pollution you cause. >:D
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There's an environmental argument against such low speeds as vehicles simply aren't designed to travel so slowly... Not to mention the fact that localised pollution is increased by virtue of traffic build up.
Lundun being a case in point as localised pollution increases in direct proportion to each drop in traffic speed/flow.
Yet, some motorways have displayed the Matrix boards to reduce the speed limit to 60mph to 'improve air quality' (supposedly)...the M1 near Sheffield being one ???
That's just ended because......work this one out.....air quality has improved. Now, has it improved because of the speed reduction, in which case why increase it again? Or is it just magic?
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There's an environmental argument against such low speeds as vehicles simply aren't designed to travel so slowly... Not to mention the fact that localised pollution is increased by virtue of traffic build up.
Lundun being a case in point as localised pollution increases in direct proportion to each drop in traffic speed/flow.
Yet, some motorways have displayed the Matrix boards to reduce the speed limit to 60mph to 'improve air quality' (supposedly)...the M1 near Sheffield being one ???
That's just ended because......work this one out.....air quality has improved. Now, has it improved because of the speed reduction, in which case why increase it again? Or is it just magic?
Or was it because all the traffic took a different route because that one was too slow? >:D
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There's an environmental argument against such low speeds as vehicles simply aren't designed to travel so slowly... Not to mention the fact that localised pollution is increased by virtue of traffic build up.
Lundun being a case in point as localised pollution increases in direct proportion to each drop in traffic speed/flow.
Yet, some motorways have displayed the Matrix boards to reduce the speed limit to 60mph to 'improve air quality' (supposedly)...the M1 near Sheffield being one ???
That's just ended because......work this one out.....air quality has improved. Now, has it improved because of the speed reduction, in which case why increase it again? Or is it just magic?
Or was it because all the traffic took a different route because that one was too slow? >:D
It was 60mph instead of 70 between two junctions on the M1 at Tinsley.
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There's an environmental argument against such low speeds as vehicles simply aren't designed to travel so slowly... Not to mention the fact that localised pollution is increased by virtue of traffic build up.
Lundun being a case in point as localised pollution increases in direct proportion to each drop in traffic speed/flow.
Yet, some motorways have displayed the Matrix boards to reduce the speed limit to 60mph to 'improve air quality' (supposedly)...the M1 near Sheffield being one ???
That's just ended because......work this one out.....air quality has improved. Now, has it improved because of the speed reduction, in which case why increase it again? Or is it just magic?
If they really want to "Improve" Sheffield they'll need a crane and a wrecking ball. ::)
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There's an environmental argument against such low speeds as vehicles simply aren't designed to travel so slowly... Not to mention the fact that localised pollution is increased by virtue of traffic build up.
Lundun being a case in point as localised pollution increases in direct proportion to each drop in traffic speed/flow.
Yet, some motorways have displayed the Matrix boards to reduce the speed limit to 60mph to 'improve air quality' (supposedly)...the M1 near Sheffield being one ???
That's just ended because......work this one out.....air quality has improved. Now, has it improved because of the speed reduction, in which case why increase it again? Or is it just magic?
If they really want to "Improve" Sheffield they'll need a crane and a wrecking ball. ::)
The same can be said of every city in the UK, including the picturesque southern ones ruled by lentil munchers.
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It just needs a government to remove the 20% of un-insured drives, unlicenced drivers and cretin drivers from the roads ,make them use 'public transport'
oops :-[
I must be 'sleep typing' , it was all a dream :P
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I see the Drakeford replacement completes the set.
Inevitable really. ::)
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Yes we have one of them too now it’s terrible🤬
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I see the Drakeford replacement completes the set.
Inevitable really. ::)
And only one of them was elected! :o :-X
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Yes Steve, it’s such a shame🙁
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well ..... that was money well spent on 20mph roads in Welsh Wales ..... apparently now under review
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw945l3zy91o
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Well to be fair there was only over half a million votes against it 😱😱😱 in the first place.. Fuc&”ing wasteful parasites
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Not to mention corrupt evil arrogant bastards.. and that’s their good points
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well ..... that was money well spent on 20mph roads in Welsh Wales ..... apparently now under review
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw945l3zy91o
One of the 2? Pilot towns was the town 2 miles from me...
Feedback nearly all bad (exceptions of schools / housing estates etc)
I'd love to know what lessons were learned from the feedback.....I'd suggest none, so why pilot in the first place.
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well ..... that was money well spent on 20mph roads in Welsh Wales ..... apparently now under review
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw945l3zy91o
One of the 2? Pilot towns was the town 2 miles from me...
Feedback nearly all bad (exceptions of schools / housing estates etc)
I'd love to know what lessons were learned from the feedback.....I'd suggest none, so why pilot in the first place.
To demonstrate some level of consultation.
The qualification is to ask the question, not to regard any of the responses. It's an illusion of democracy.
The way the world actually works is that people with an agenda sponsor puppets into positions of control. Unfortunately, many of those being sponsored, mostly leftists, don't think, or want to ask why they're being sponsored.
Ironically, many of those who complain about this way of doing things are actually Labour voters.
The only way to stop this state of affairs is to either not vote for these sponsored puppets, or if it's too late, hold the puppets to the ultimate account... It's not accidental that Sadie Kahn has a larger protection detail than Dishy... :-X
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well ..... that was money well spent on 20mph roads in Welsh Wales ..... apparently now under review
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw945l3zy91o
One of the 2? Pilot towns was the town 2 miles from me...
Feedback nearly all bad (exceptions of schools / housing estates etc)
I'd love to know what lessons were learned from the feedback.....I'd suggest none, so why pilot in the first place.
To demonstrate some level of consultation.
The qualification is to ask the question, not to regard any of the responses. It's an illusion of democracy.
The way the world actually works is that people with an agenda sponsor puppets into positions of control. Unfortunately, many of those being sponsored, mostly leftists, don't think, or want to ask why they're being sponsored.
Ironically, many of those who complain about this way of doing things are actually Labour voters.
The only way to stop this state of affairs is to either not vote for these sponsored puppets, or if it's too late, hold the puppets to the ultimate account... It's not accidental that Sadie Kahn has a larger protection detail than Dishy... :-X
Ask the question then ignore the reply. Sounds about right. :-X
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I received a large questionnaire in the post yesterday from Essex County Council.
Apparently my household has been chosen to do this in order to " help shape the future of Essex." ::)
Im looking forward to filling it in, but well aware it wont make a blind bit of difference.
Its just so they can claim to consult residents / voters, take their views into account etc. etc. ::)
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Wipe your arse with it and send it back first class👍
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well ..... that was money well spent on 20mph roads in Welsh Wales ..... apparently now under review
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw945l3zy91o
One of the 2? Pilot towns was the town 2 miles from me...
Feedback nearly all bad (exceptions of schools / housing estates etc)
I'd love to know what lessons were learned from the feedback.....I'd suggest none, so why pilot in the first place.
Sounds just like the LTNs in that shithole formally known as Oxford. Even the survey after the initial wide scale trial for 6 months came back as they were causing more issues than they solved, the council decided to keep them, and then extend the scheme further.
Now it seems the council can't see why all the shops are closing, and businesses are moving out, and acting like its a surprise.
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There's an environmental argument against such low speeds as vehicles simply aren't designed to travel so slowly... Not to mention the fact that localised pollution is increased by virtue of traffic build up.
Lundun being a case in point as localised pollution increases in direct proportion to each drop in traffic speed/flow.
Yet, some motorways have displayed the Matrix boards to reduce the speed limit to 60mph to 'improve air quality' (supposedly)...the M1 near Sheffield being one ???
That's just ended because......work this one out.....air quality has improved. Now, has it improved because of the speed reduction, in which case why increase it again? Or is it just magic?
Or was it because all the traffic took a different route because that one was too slow? >:D
It was 60mph instead of 70 between two junctions on the M1 at Tinsley.
Or was it because there are less of the pre Euro 4 emissions vehicles about now rather than the speed.........(including lorries)