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Title: Today's courtesy car...
Post by: Viral_Jim on 07 June 2021, 13:19:14
As part of today's BMW Shrewsbury service, I had a very nice man try to do a bit of up-selling by way of my courtesy car, given the RRP, I think he's going to be disappointed, but still, not a bad thing to knock about in for the day...

https://i.imgur.com/Q3buRNa.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/Q3buRNa.jpg)
https://i.imgur.com/iiKmzuz.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/iiKmzuz.jpg)
https://i.imgur.com/xABVlr9.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/xABVlr9.jpg)
https://i.imgur.com/DLPPC69.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/DLPPC69.jpg)

The car feels a world away from mine, much more plush inside, but also it feels heavier, much less chuckable, despite being a RWD car, the steering feels extremely heavy and yet somehow devoid of feel, but it has a nice stereo and refused to dip below 40mpg despite some effort on my part.
Title: Re: Today's courtesy car...
Post by: deviator on 07 June 2021, 13:49:09
It's possibly got electric power steering, or electric assisted hydraulic steering. It can feel weird.
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Post by: VXL V6 on 07 June 2021, 14:02:42
Like the exterior, hate the interior  :-\
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Post by: YZ250 on 07 June 2021, 14:45:15
Although some think the interior is bland, the user friendliness of the steering wheel controls is brilliant. My BMW, when compared to my Audi, is much more user friendly for things like the manual speed limiter/cruise control/stereo/radio etc. All done with just your thumbs, no stupid stalk etc.
The virtual cockpit is a love or hate thing, but does show a lot more info than analogue dials, plus when on nav mode it's right in front of you. Cameras front and rear are fairly standard now, plus 360 overhead parking view. I have front bumper side cameras, which are great for seeing if it's clear when trying to pull out of a hedge lined narrow road in Cornwall.  :y
They are nice cars to drive, regardless of what people think of them.  :y
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Post by: TheBoy on 07 June 2021, 16:09:00
Like the exterior, hate the interior  :-\
Not liking the interior either. Just seems a bit overly fussy.
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Post by: TheBoy on 07 June 2021, 16:10:50
They are nice cars to drive, regardless of what people think of them.  :y
Drive the best of all the Germans, if only they would put some suspension on them, instead of the spine mangling concrete blocks.
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Post by: Doctor Gollum on 07 June 2021, 16:15:34
SE spec F30 rides nicely, even with 19"s :y

It's just that most people fall for the marketing wank of the sporty models... M Sport/AMG/S-Line etc.
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Post by: TheBoy on 07 June 2021, 16:23:53
SE spec F30 rides nicely, even with 19"s :y
I find all of them too firm for RWD. And with RWD it doesn't need to be.  Unless its an M3, in which case all is forgiven.
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Post by: amba on 07 June 2021, 16:43:34
Good man for being tuned to Planet Rock
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Post by: YZ250 on 07 June 2021, 18:02:43
SE spec F30 rides nicely, even with 19"s :y

It's just that most people fall for the marketing wank of the sporty models... M Sport/AMG/S-Line etc.

Guilty as charged on both of them.  ;D

M Sport Plus actually, so I get the 19's, blue calipers and Pro Nav, coz then it looks wicked innit.  :y ;D
The Audi runs on 20's, but feels softer suspension-wise than the beemer, but I will admit, if a pothole is deep and large, the resulting spine jarring bang through the steering makes you wonder how the alloys survive.  :o
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Post by: Doctor Gollum on 07 June 2021, 18:44:16
Probably because the engine is sticking out of the front bumper on the Audi ;D
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Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 07 June 2021, 19:09:03
Nice looking car that isn't 'shouty'

What does it have under the bonnet?
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Post by: VXL V6 on 07 June 2021, 20:27:11
SE spec F30 rides nicely, even with 19"s :y
I find all of them too firm for RWD. And with RWD it doesn't need to be.  Unless its an M3, in which case all is forgiven.
Trouble is, SE's are rather spartan when it comes to creature comforts whereas MSport's have a few more of the basics... Even then, as a daily driver, you'd want the business edition extra's and you'd still be lacking some of the standard basics of a 2003 Omega.
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Post by: YZ250 on 07 June 2021, 21:37:30
SE spec F30 rides nicely, even with 19"s :y
I find all of them too firm for RWD. And with RWD it doesn't need to be.  Unless its an M3, in which case all is forgiven.
Trouble is, SE's are rather spartan when it comes to creature comforts whereas MSport's have a few more of the basics... Even then, as a daily driver, you'd want the business edition extra's and you'd still be lacking some of the standard basics of a 2003 Omega.

What sort of equipment would you be needing Andy. I have a load of menus but don't use a fraction of them as I don't need them, but there may be stuff on there that would be of use to you. I know mine has calendar sync, concierge services, google and two phones symaltaniously connection capability. You can sit in a hotel room plotting the next days business route and send the route from your laptop to the vehicle nav system. Just accept in the car as navigation and off you go. It also has e-connect, so if you have a severe crash the sensors react accordingly, the car will wait for you to place a distress call. If you don't make a call they will call you on the vehicle sim, and if you don't respond they hit the emergency button and pinpoint the vehicle position to the emergency services.
To be honest, most of the time I only use google when I'm away from home to pinpoint the nearest take-away. You just ask the car verbally to give a list of Chinese take-always for example, and it lists them in order of nearest first. You choose one from the list (there are reviews as well) and the car will ask if you want to dial your selection. Once you've ordered, the nav will guide you there. It's all so user orientated. This could explain why a lot of bmw's crash, as they're too busy ordering food on the move.   ::) ;D
The bigger engines get memory seats/mirrors as standard, excluding rear view mirror. Oh, and it parks itself if anyone wants unnecessary shite like that.  ;D

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Post by: VXL V6 on 07 June 2021, 23:13:47
I'm looking at the 5 series but a fair few years older due to budget and the fact i'll put over 30K a year on it in my job so over 4-5 years I expect it to become relatively worthless. The improved technology on modern cars is a massive step forward from Omega's etc, which is most welcome, but it's more the practical things that seem to be lacking - split fold rear seats, memory seats linked to rear view / wing mirrors. That said, the overall package is as close as I can get to what I want after years of looking  ;D

I did take a long look at the XF but the boot floor is too high and the boot too shallow for work, it's opening is also restrictive and I really wouldn't consider an estate to get around a flawed saloon design!
Title: Re: Today's courtesy car...
Post by: Viral_Jim on 07 June 2021, 23:52:50
Nice looking car that isn't 'shouty'

What does it have under the bonnet?

A diesel, or rather 2/3 of a diesel as it only had 4 cylinders.  I was very pleased to get mine back in that respect as I wouldn't like to try and overtake the dawdlers in that one. That said it was very refined for a diesel 4 banger.

They had a very nice 540i xDrive touring in there when I was mooching around the used showroom, but it was the wrong side of £40k for an impoverished bean counter such as myself.
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Post by: Andy B on 08 June 2021, 08:04:15
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Oh, and it parks itself if anyone wants unnecessary shite like that.  ;D

My ML will do that too .... as you imply, a bit of a gimmick. 
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Post by: Viral_Jim on 08 June 2021, 09:37:42
The former Mrs 944 had it on her yeti, it worked well, unless disturbed mid-manoeuvre by another car, in which case it freaked out and gave up. ;D
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Post by: YZ250 on 08 June 2021, 11:38:25
The former Mrs 944 had it on her yeti, it worked well, unless disturbed mid-manoeuvre by another car, in which case it freaked out and gave up. ;D

I agree that it works ok if you have time to use it.  :y  Mine does bay park and parallel park but when you use parallel park it turns in at an alarmingly steep rake (front bumper too close to the car in front for my liking  ;D ). Effectively, the car can park in a smaller gap than I can.  ::)
Also, on parallel park, as it uses the sensors to see the car in front and behind, if the car in front and behind are ridiculously close to the kerb, or up the kerb, that's where you'll end up.  ;D  I like my alloys with no scratches on so I'll do the steering when parking. I filed it under 'I tried it, I didn't like it so I won't use it'.  ;D  Auto bay parking is straightforward, until you come across those annoying square/diamond shape kerbs in car parks that they insist on putting between every tenth parking space. Then, the bumper sensor has already gone past the kerb when the alloy scrapes along it.   ::)  Incidentally, I've never done that but have seen people that have.  :o
Title: Re: Today's courtesy car...
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 08 June 2021, 20:52:48
I was about to say, before I was interrupted ::) that our resident dealer has a nice 330d for sale...

SE with 19"s, Professional multimedia nav, sports leather, parking sensors front and rear and adaptive xenons. It's done some miles, but full BMW history and the best bit?

It's silver :D
Title: Re: Today's courtesy car...
Post by: VXL V6 on 08 June 2021, 21:22:11
I was about to say, before I was interrupted ::) that our resident dealer has a nice 330d for sale...

SE with 19"s, Professional multimedia nav, sports leather, parking sensors front and rear and adaptive xenons. It's done some miles, but full BMW history and the best bit?

It's silver :D

Aye, seen that, shame it's a 330D, boot is far too small for work  :'(
Title: Re: Today's courtesy car...
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 08 June 2021, 21:27:40
It has the folding rear seat option too ;)

Boot is more comodious than it might at first look. Obviously not Omega sized, but then the 3 series isn't Omega sized either, so that shouldn't be a shock ;)
Title: Re: Today's courtesy car...
Post by: VXL V6 on 08 June 2021, 21:42:22
It has the folding rear seat option too ;)

Boot is more comodious than it might at first look. Obviously not Omega sized, but then the 3 series isn't Omega sized either, so that shouldn't be a shock ;)

Indeed, which is why i'm not looking at 3 Series (well an occasional look if I see a bargain which is usually explained by the mileage or MOT history on closer inspection!  ;D ), it's also the reason that the XF is out of the equation as well.
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Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 09 June 2021, 16:42:10
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Oh, and it parks itself if anyone wants unnecessary shite like that.  ;D

My ML will do that too .... as you imply, a bit of a gimmick.

Mine do that to, not to bad for parallel parking, utter dog shit at perpendicular parking.

It does not get used  ;D :y
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Post by: TheBoy on 09 June 2021, 16:46:25
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Oh, and it parks itself if anyone wants unnecessary shite like that.  ;D

My ML will do that too .... as you imply, a bit of a gimmick.

Mine do that to, not to bad for parallel parking, utter dog shit at perpendicular parking.

It does not get used  ;D :y
Fortunately, none of my cars have that.  However, if the Pussy had it, I might use it to put in bays, as for reasons I can't grasp, I can't reverse it into bays straight first time by using the mirrors.  And I've had it over 4yrs ;D
Title: Re: Today's courtesy car...
Post by: TheBoy on 09 June 2021, 16:47:40
I did take a long look at the XF but the boot floor is too high and the boot too shallow for work, it's opening is also restrictive and I really wouldn't consider an estate to get around a flawed saloon design!
Or floored?


OK, I'll fetch me coat
Title: Re: Today's courtesy car...
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 09 June 2021, 17:15:48
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Oh, and it parks itself if anyone wants unnecessary shite like that.  ;D

My ML will do that too .... as you imply, a bit of a gimmick.

Mine do that to, not to bad for parallel parking, utter dog shit at perpendicular parking.

It does not get used  ;D :y
Fortunately, none of my cars have that.  However, if the Pussy had it, I might use it to put in bays, as for reasons I can't grasp, I can't reverse it into bays straight first time by using the mirrors.  And I've had it over 4yrs ;D
Rear track is often a touch narrower to improve turning circles on longer/wider cars.

The designers hide this visually by adding a slight taper towards the back of the car. This also helps aerodynamics but does mean that the sides aren't parallel across the car.

All terribly exciting, but unless you line up with even space each side (so that the centre line is in the middle of the space) it will always end up pissed :D
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Post by: TheBoy on 09 June 2021, 17:31:54
I think mine is the opposite, with a fat arse and a skinny nose.

And that matches the angle its pissed at.  But even though I know that, its still always pissed.
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Post by: YZ250 on 09 June 2021, 17:46:56
I think mine is the opposite, with a fat arse and a skinny nose.

And that matches the angle its pissed at.  But even though I know that, its still always pissed.

Door mirror cameras are great for straight bay parking, as they make it appear as if the camera is above, so you can see the car and the lines. When I don't use the camera screen, I reverse in on the piss, curse myself, drive back out and reverse back in ........  on the same pissed angle as the first attempt.  ::)  ;D
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Post by: Doctor Gollum on 09 June 2021, 18:00:41
It's compouned by the fact that bays are narrower than they should be and no one else bothers to park properly.

Mother has a blue badge, which helps. If I need to go somewhere with stingy spaces, then I will find an excuse to take her with me.  :D
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Post by: Doctor Gollum on 09 June 2021, 18:05:01
Whilst he's sat in the bath, and therefore unlikely to drop the laptop, I did wonder if that 330d would make a good commuter car for Mrs TB...

It would certainly be an improvement over the Zafira in every respect... Quicker, more economical, more comfortable...  ;)
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Post by: TheBoy on 09 June 2021, 19:27:23
Whilst he's sat in the bath, and therefore unlikely to drop the laptop, I did wonder if that 330d would make a good commuter car for Mrs TB...

It would certainly be an improvement over the Zafira in every respect... Quicker, more economical, more comfortable...  ;)
I shall wait until she is in a better mood before asking her.  Simply because I like BMWs more than she does, and I won't have one (M3 and M5 excepted)
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Post by: STEMO on 09 June 2021, 19:37:33
Whilst he's sat in the bath, and therefore unlikely to drop the laptop, I did wonder if that 330d would make a good commuter car for Mrs TB...

It would certainly be an improvement over the Zafira in every respect... Quicker, more economical, more comfortable...  ;)
I shall wait until she is in a better mood before asking her.  Simply because I like BMWs more than she does, and I won't have one (M3 and M5 excepted)
It's all relative surely? Any flavour of beemer has got to be preferable to a Mk1 zafira.
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Post by: YZ250 on 09 June 2021, 20:16:20
Whilst he's sat in the bath, and therefore unlikely to drop the laptop, I did wonder if that 330d would make a good commuter car for Mrs TB...

It would certainly be an improvement over the Zafira in every respect... Quicker, more economical, more comfortable...  ;)
I shall wait until she is in a better mood before asking her.  Simply because I like BMWs more than she does, and I won't have one (M3 and M5 excepted)

As you know, I was ideally placed in my employment to compare these cars. When I had the E92's (same body as the previous M3 Coupe), we pitched E92 330d's and 335d's against a few E92 M3's and up to a ton there's very little in it. Slight advantage to the M3, albeit 0.4 of a second, off the line up to around 50mph, then the mid range torque of the straight six diesel reels back that difference. Even the guy in North Oxford BMW confirmed our findings when I told him what we'd done in the interest of science.  ::)  Most runs/sprints/challenges off the lights don't go much over these speeds, so a possible 50mpg is acceptable for the same speed without the unnecessary noise.  ;)  With a bigger intercooler and mapping to lose the electronic limiter, these cars will see over 160mph (as does the D3 Saloon), which is why a few went to Hartge before they ceased trading.  :y
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Post by: TheBoy on 10 June 2021, 19:04:04
Big diesels are quick, just not exciting.
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Post by: STEMO on 10 June 2021, 20:36:50
Big diesels are quick, just not exciting.
You're getting too old for excitement. Your reflexes are slowing with age so it's time to slow down. Lots of midlife crisis sufferers in A&E. ;D
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Post by: Doctor Gollum on 10 June 2021, 20:49:32
Big diesels are quick, just not exciting.
Unless they handle properly...

Anyhoo, that one appears to be sold...  ::)
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Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 10 June 2021, 21:20:26
Speaking of midlife crisis I've been drawn to the TVR Cerbera lately.

Sensible choice for the young at heart gentleman? ::)
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Post by: Nick W on 10 June 2021, 21:31:02
Speaking of midlife crisis I've been drawn to the TVR Cerbera lately.

Sensible choice for the young at heart gentleman? ::)


Can you get in(and out) of one?


Yes?


Can you get out of one when you've exited a bend backwards and the car is now balanced of what's left of a hedge?


Yes?


Then get one :y


The same questions should be asked by prospective Porsche and big-engined BMW owners.
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Post by: Kevin Wood on 10 June 2021, 22:46:01
Speaking of midlife crisis I've been drawn to the TVR Cerbera lately.

Sensible choice for the young at heart gentleman? ::)

As with any kit car, bank on having to strip it down and rebuild it properly. ;)

But a good one is simply awesome! :D
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Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 11 June 2021, 01:43:33
Speaking of midlife crisis I've been drawn to the TVR Cerbera lately.

Sensible choice for the young at heart gentleman? ::)

As with any kit car, bank on having to strip it down and rebuild it properly. ;)

But a good one is simply awesome! :D

Lord Opti's I bought a broken Cerbera thread should be entertaining then?  ;D
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Post by: YZ250 on 11 June 2021, 11:33:06
Big diesels are quick, just not exciting.

The excitement comes from doing a 300 mile journey in an hour and a half less than it normally takes and realising that you still have over half a tank of fuel when you arrive.  ;)
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Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 11 June 2021, 13:06:11
Big diesels are quick, just not exciting.

The excitement comes from doing a 300 mile journey in an hour and a half less than it normally takes and realising that you still have over half a tank of fuel when you arrive.  ;)

I think this experience should be documented under 'satisfaction' rather than excitement... ;)

'Excitement'  should be, well, more exciting than 300 miles in a derv. :D ;)
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Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 11 June 2021, 13:09:09
Speaking of midlife crisis I've been drawn to the TVR Cerbera lately.

Sensible choice for the young at heart gentleman? ::)

As with any kit car, bank on having to strip it down and rebuild it properly. ;)

But a good one is simply awesome! :D

Four seats with a sizeable boot........as practical and sensible as a life-draining derv. ;D
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Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 11 June 2021, 13:12:08
Speed Six?
4.2V8?
4.5V8?

Is there a bad choice? ::)
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Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 11 June 2021, 13:18:33
Big diesels are quick, just not exciting.


They won't rev. They are like sex without ejaculation. :)
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Post by: Viral_Jim on 11 June 2021, 13:24:07
Speed Six?
4.2V8?
4.5V8?

Is there a bad choice? ::)

Iirc, speed 6 have some specific known issues that need addressing, but chances are they're done already if the thing still runs. Beyond that, rusty outriggers and a 1970's British Leyland standard of build quality are standard fit items.
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Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 11 June 2021, 13:31:36
Speed Six?
4.2V8?
4.5V8?

Is there a bad choice? ::)

Iirc, speed 6 have some specific known issues that need addressing, but chances are they're done already if the thing still runs. Beyond that, rusty outriggers and a 1970's British Leyland standard of build quality are standard fit items.




Enlighten me. Is this a good thing or a bad thing?... :D
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Post by: Nick W on 11 June 2021, 13:50:26
Speed Six?
4.2V8?
4.5V8?

Is there a bad choice? ::)


British cars should have straight sixes.
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Post by: STEMO on 11 June 2021, 14:33:58
Speed Six?
4.2V8?
4.5V8?

Is there a bad choice? ::)


British cars should have straight sixes.
Opti has a straight ten, apparently  ;D
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Post by: Nick W on 11 June 2021, 14:42:15
Speed Six?
4.2V8?
4.5V8?

Is there a bad choice? ::)


British cars should have straight sixes.
Opti has a straight ten, apparently  ;D


I have doubts that he's a straight anything ::)
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Post by: Viral_Jim on 11 June 2021, 15:20:20


Enlighten me. Is this a good thing or a bad thing?... :D

That all depends on how much you enjoy surprises and taking things apart to see how they're supposed to work.
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Post by: YZ250 on 12 June 2021, 12:02:30
Big diesels are quick, just not exciting.

They won't rev.

I do agree with both of the above comments.  :y  I took our petrol Audi for a spirited drive yesterday and it's ability to rev freely makes it more involving to drive.  :y
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Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 12 June 2021, 13:01:21
Big diesels are quick, just not exciting.

They won't rev.

I do agree with both of the above comments.  :y I took our petrol Audi for a spirited drive yesterday and it's ability to rev freely makes it more involving to drive.  :y

R8......RS6....RS4.....?

Do tell. :y
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Post by: YZ250 on 12 June 2021, 13:18:44
Big diesels are quick, just not exciting.

They won't rev.

I do agree with both of the above comments.  :y I took our petrol Audi for a spirited drive yesterday and it's ability to rev freely makes it more involving to drive.  :y

R8......RS6....RS4.....?

Do tell. :y

I wish.  :)

2019 2.0 TFSI Sportback. Been looking at RS6 (I have the A6 Avant currently) but I just know the novelty will wear off. Three year old RS6's with three former keepers is quite common, so are they getting rid for new cars whilst in the warranty period, or is cost/boredom getting to them.  :-\
I really can't justify spending my pension pot on something like that, as I know I'll regret it, but it hasn't stopped me from seriously looking.  ;D
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Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 12 June 2021, 14:20:36
Big diesels are quick, just not exciting.

They won't rev.

I do agree with both of the above comments.  :y I took our petrol Audi for a spirited drive yesterday and it's ability to rev freely makes it more involving to drive.  :y

R8......RS6....RS4.....?

Do tell. :y

I wish.  :)

2019 2.0 TFSI Sportback. Been looking at RS6 (I have the A6 Avant currently) but I just know the novelty will wear off. Three year old RS6's with three former keepers is quite common, so are they getting rid for new cars whilst in the warranty period, or is cost/boredom getting to them.  :-\
I really can't justify spending my pension pot on something like that, as I know I'll regret it, but it hasn't stopped me from seriously looking.  ;D

I rather like the RS6 despite it's reputation for being lifeless and sterile to drive.

Many moons ago I very nearly bought a 2003 RS6 with a 4.2 turbo V8 ( only 450 BHP) but fortunately found that it had been written off before I signed on the dotted line. :-\



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Post by: Doctor Gollum on 12 June 2021, 15:28:34
Big diesels are quick, just not exciting.

They won't rev.

I do agree with both of the above comments.  :y I took our petrol Audi for a spirited drive yesterday and it's ability to rev freely makes it more involving to drive.  :y

R8......RS6....RS4.....?

Do tell. :y

I wish.  :)

2019 2.0 TFSI Sportback. Been looking at RS6 (I have the A6 Avant currently) but I just know the novelty will wear off. Three year old RS6's with three former keepers is quite common, so are they getting rid for new cars whilst in the warranty period, or is cost/boredom getting to them.  :-\
I really can't justify spending my pension pot on something like that, as I know I'll regret it, but it hasn't stopped me from seriously looking.  ;D
Warranty worries probably  :D
Title: Re: Today's courtesy car...
Post by: STEMO on 12 June 2021, 16:14:00
Big diesels are quick, just not exciting.

They won't rev.

I do agree with both of the above comments.  :y I took our petrol Audi for a spirited drive yesterday and it's ability to rev freely makes it more involving to drive.  :y

R8......RS6....RS4.....?

Do tell. :y

I wish.  :)

2019 2.0 TFSI Sportback. Been looking at RS6 (I have the A6 Avant currently) but I just know the novelty will wear off. Three year old RS6's with three former keepers is quite common, so are they getting rid for new cars whilst in the warranty period, or is cost/boredom getting to them.  :-\
I really can't justify spending my pension pot on something like that, as I know I'll regret it, but it hasn't stopped me from seriously looking.  ;D
Three separate owners, each ragging the arse out of it for 12 months then getting shot. No thanks.
Title: Re: Today's courtesy car...
Post by: Rangie on 12 June 2021, 16:20:00
Big diesels are quick, just not exciting.

They won't rev.

I do agree with both of the above comments.  :y I took our petrol Audi for a spirited drive yesterday and it's ability to rev freely makes it more involving to drive.  :y

R8......RS6....RS4.....?

Do tell. :y

I wish.  :)

2019 2.0 TFSI Sportback. Been looking at RS6 (I have the A6 Avant currently) but I just know the novelty will wear off. Three year old RS6's with three former keepers is quite common, so are they getting rid for new cars whilst in the warranty period, or is cost/boredom getting to them.  :-\
I really can't justify spending my pension pot on something like that, as I know I'll regret it, but it hasn't stopped me from seriously looking.  ;D
Three separate owners, each ragging the arse out of it for 12 months then getting shot. No thanks.
.   


My sentiments entirely.
Title: Re: Today's courtesy car...
Post by: YZ250 on 12 June 2021, 16:35:17
Big diesels are quick, just not exciting.

They won't rev.

I do agree with both of the above comments.  :y I took our petrol Audi for a spirited drive yesterday and it's ability to rev freely makes it more involving to drive.  :y

R8......RS6....RS4.....?

Do tell. :y

I wish.  :)

2019 2.0 TFSI Sportback. Been looking at RS6 (I have the A6 Avant currently) but I just know the novelty will wear off. Three year old RS6's with three former keepers is quite common, so are they getting rid for new cars whilst in the warranty period, or is cost/boredom getting to them.  :-\
I really can't justify spending my pension pot on something like that, as I know I'll regret it, but it hasn't stopped me from seriously looking.  ;D
Three separate owners, each ragging the arse out of it for 12 months then getting shot. No thanks.

That was my point, that's what put me off.  :y
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Post by: Nick W on 12 June 2021, 17:23:13
Big diesels are quick, just not exciting.

They won't rev.

I do agree with both of the above comments.  :y I took our petrol Audi for a spirited drive yesterday and it's ability to rev freely makes it more involving to drive.  :y

R8......RS6....RS4.....?

Do tell. :y

I wish.  :)

2019 2.0 TFSI Sportback. Been looking at RS6 (I have the A6 Avant currently) but I just know the novelty will wear off. Three year old RS6's with three former keepers is quite common, so are they getting rid for new cars whilst in the warranty period, or is cost/boredom getting to them.  :-\
I really can't justify spending my pension pot on something like that, as I know I'll regret it, but it hasn't stopped me from seriously looking.  ;D
Warranty worries probably  :D


You mean lack of warranty considering just how much an Audi costs to repair, and how often they need it. Powerful Audis are just fast cars that are truly boring until you get the bill...
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Post by: Rangie on 12 June 2021, 17:52:36
A friend of ours was considering  Q7 but was put off by horrendous costs on an  Audi service plan, ended up buying a Ford Ranger as a towing vehicle, grossly underpowered with a 2.2 diesel engine I followed him to the Lake District in 2019 with our caravans he was struggling on quite easy inclines.
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Post by: Doctor Gollum on 12 June 2021, 18:09:58
That's what you get for buying cheap... 3.2 Rangers are more expensive for a reason... ::)
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Post by: Nick W on 12 June 2021, 18:17:48
A friend of ours was considering  Q7 but was put off by horrendous costs on an  Audi service plan, ended up buying a Ford Ranger as a towing vehicle, grossly underpowered with a 2.2 diesel engine I followed him to the Lake District in 2019 with our caravans he was struggling on quite easy inclines.


Yet we used to tow heavy trailers with 76hp/115 lb/ft 2.0l Transits.....
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Post by: Doctor Gollum on 12 June 2021, 18:19:45
Better gearing and few emissions considerations. Which was nice 8)
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Post by: Rangie on 12 June 2021, 18:43:52
That's what you get for buying cheap... 3.2 Rangers are more expensive for a reason... ::)


Well I never realised that 😂😂😂 talk about stating the bloody obvious.
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Post by: Nick W on 12 June 2021, 18:47:18
Better gearing and few emissions considerations. Which was nice 8)


The low compression Pinto in a Transit would make a diesel look clean. And they were four speed compared to modern sixes, so I don't think the gearing holds up either. We just didn't expect a fully loaded van to pull 50mph up hill as if it were empty.
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Post by: Rangie on 12 June 2021, 18:54:38
Better gearing and few emissions considerations. Which was nice 8)


The low compression Pinto in a Transit would make a diesel look clean. And they were four speed compared to modern sixes, so I don't think the gearing holds up either. We just didn't expect a fully loaded van to pull 50mph up hill as if it were empty.
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They were excellent vans , we had the use of one regularly in the seventies used to thrash the nuts off it backwards & forwards to Brighton at the weekends sleep in it overnight as well , good times.
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Post by: Doctor Gollum on 12 June 2021, 20:15:13
That's what you get for buying cheap... 3.2 Rangers are more expensive for a reason... ::)


Well I never realised that 😂😂😂 talk about stating the bloody obvious.
What were you/he complaining about then ???

If it were that bloody obvious, surely it wouldn't have been a surprise  ::)
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Post by: YZ250 on 12 June 2021, 20:22:48
A friend of ours was considering  Q7 but was put off by horrendous costs on an  Audi service plan, ..........

Since from around 2010 you don't have to have a dealership service to maintain warranty, you can go to an indy providing that they use genuine service parts. Like you with your RR, I use what has always appeared to be a decent indy to keep my service history up to date on the new cars, for a fraction of the cost of main dealer prices or service plans. They are ex VAG guys and they can log the service history online (no service book with these cars). I still do interim oil changes myself at 5K intervals and I'll still do anything else that's not on the service tick list.  :y
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Post by: Rangie on 12 June 2021, 20:30:30
That's what you get for buying cheap... 3.2 Rangers are more expensive for a reason... ::)


Well I never realised that 😂😂😂 talk about stating the bloody obvious.
What were you/he complaining about then ???

If it were that bloody obvious, surely it wouldn't have been a surprise  ::)
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Look buddy just don't start all your crap again, if you are unable to control your stupidity don't bother commenting on my posts, and one of your favourite comments , you're the Prick.
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Post by: Rangie on 12 June 2021, 20:36:33
A friend of ours was considering  Q7 but was put off by horrendous costs on an  Audi service plan, ..........

Since from around 2010 you don't have to have a dealership service to maintain warranty, you can go to an indy providing that they use genuine service parts. Like you with your RR, I use what has always appeared to be a decent indy to keep my service history up to date on the new cars, for a fraction of the cost of main dealer prices or service plans. They are ex VAG guys and they can log the service history online (no service book with these cars). I still do interim oil changes myself at 5K intervals and I'll still do anything else that's not on the service tick list.  :y



Yes I agree with you entirely, but for some strange reason he likes to go to the supplying dealership for his services/repairs and probably pays through the nose for it, I prefer like you to be able to talk with the guy who is working on my vehicles and knows exactly what they are doing.
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Post by: Doctor Gollum on 13 June 2021, 08:07:29
That's what you get for buying cheap... 3.2 Rangers are more expensive for a reason... ::)


Well I never realised that 😂😂😂 talk about stating the bloody obvious.
What were you/he complaining about then ???

If it were that bloody obvious, surely it wouldn't have been a surprise  ::)
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Look buddy just don't start all your crap again, if you are unable to control your stupidity don't bother commenting on my posts, and one of your favourite comments , you're the Prick.
Firstly, I am not your 'buddy'.

Secondly, I merely made an observation. You, for some unknown reason decided to get all uppity at it.

As for the rest... Well, if the cap fits, you may as well wear it. If nowt else it should keep the sun off the bald bits whilst you're in the pub garden.
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Post by: Doctor Gollum on 13 June 2021, 08:15:44
Incidentally, Rangers aren't that expensive to service at the dealers...

https://www.foraymotorgroup.co.uk/foray-servicing-prices

£325 or £465 depending on the service.
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Post by: Rangie on 13 June 2021, 08:19:15
Here we go again, what a nob.
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Post by: Doctor Gollum on 13 June 2021, 08:30:31
I have no idea what your specific issue is with me. But it's your issue. Not mine. :-X
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Post by: Andy B on 13 June 2021, 09:22:38
...
 and they can log the service history online (no service book with these cars).  ....

Merc do this too .... it serves no use whatsoever to the used car buyer as he/she doesn't get to see the service history. If service history was important I'd want to see a book stamped up or preferably receipts/invoices.
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Post by: Doctor Gollum on 13 June 2021, 09:33:33
BMW store it in the vehicle hard drive including things like brake fluid and coolant changes along with any recall work.

They give you a printed breakdown, but that's as much for budgeting purposes as anything else as the important stuff is permanently stored in the car.
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Post by: YZ250 on 13 June 2021, 09:47:00
...
 and they can log the service history online (no service book with these cars).  ....

Merc do this too .... it serves no use whatsoever to the used car buyer as he/she doesn't get to see the service history. If service history was important I'd want to see a book stamped up or preferably receipts/invoices.

I do get the job sheet and receipt with part numbers on.  :y  It also lists their findings in percentage of wear to brake pads/disc condition, tyres etc.  :y
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Post by: YZ250 on 13 June 2021, 09:51:24
BMW store it in the vehicle hard drive including things like brake fluid and coolant changes along with any recall work.
.......

I was surprised at just how much info the dealer can get from just the remote fob.  :y 
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Post by: Viral_Jim on 13 June 2021, 10:02:20
Yeah, that was an eye opener. Service history, mileage, how many l of fuel was in it, the fact it's service was 497 miles overdue. To name just a few things.
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Post by: Rangie on 13 June 2021, 10:23:38
...
 and they can log the service history online (no service book with these cars).  ....

Merc do this too .... it serves no use whatsoever to the used car buyer as he/she doesn't get to see the service history. If service history was important I'd want to see a book stamped up or preferably receipts/invoices.
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Me too I wouldn't purchase a vehicle without visible documented history that I can hold in my hands & read .