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[dave the builder]

So..... it looks like further easing of restrictions will be delayed due to the Delta variant spreading throughout the UK.
the hope being that if lifting restrictions are delayed ,that more adults will get 2 doses of vaccine .

Reports show Astra zenica is up to 60% effective against serious illness
Phizer is up to 88% effective against serious illness

1/4 of the deaths of the Delta variant where people who had been vaccinated

so people may want to think about the situation we face before saying the delay in the easing of restrictions is justified 

why did I call this thread "Chinese Virus"  because I'm probably not very woke or P.C

and because reports of evidence like THIS CLICKY

worth the 15 minutes to watch IMO 

REMEMBER .... HANDS ,FACE ,SPACE

Stray safe out there 

[Varche]

Stray safe? See you at the disco!

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

We have to die of something. It is inevitable.

PS.....why do some people driving alone in their car wear a mask?

[dave the builder]

Stray safe? See you at the disco!

well clearly no one is stopping home 

[Nick W]

We have to die of something. It is inevitable.

PS.....why do some people driving alone in their car wear a mask?

It's a misunderstood attempt to balance out the equivalent idiots that refuse to wear them

[biggriffin]

We have to die of something. It is inevitable.

PS.....why do some people driving alone in their car wear a mask? :-\

They live alone,and masturbate while wearing a johnny.
 

[STEMO]

We have to die of something. It is inevitable.

PS.....why do some people driving alone in their car wear a mask? :-\

They live alone,and masturbate while wearing a johnny.
 

Don't knock what you haven't tried 

[Nick W]

We have to die of something. It is inevitable.

PS.....why do some people driving alone in their car wear a mask?   \

They live alone, and masturbate while wearing a johnny.
 

Surrounded by all her cats...

[Mr Skrunts]

Stray safe? See you at the disco!

well clearly no one is stopping home 

I have 

[Rangie]

If any of us on here don't know how to stay safe by now , we never will. Read an excellent article this morning which  more or less boils down to the fact that " life" as we knew it will never be the same again, people need to realise that & not keep on about going back to "normality" on a certain date , it ain't going to happen.

[dave the builder]

I expect the new variants will become nastier over time though ,
in 18 months we've had several mutations ,which doesn't bode well for the future 

[Doctor Gollum]

And yet no one has noticed, or rather, acknowledged the areas where it is most prevalent, and the communities within those areas.

Notwithstanding that those very same communities are also the most susceptible.

But that's fine, we can just carry on hiding under the bed until the next variant comes along

[Nick W]

I expect the new variants will become nastier over time though ,
in 18 months we've had several mutations ,which doesn't bode well for the future 

The Kent variant, the Indian Variant, Wilfred Johnson etc etc

[dave the builder]

And yet no one has noticed, or rather, acknowledged the areas where it is most prevalent, and the communities within those areas.

Notwithstanding that those very same communities are also the most susceptible.

But that's fine, we can just carry on hiding under the bed until the next variant comes along

Local lock downs   

keep local high covid areas locked down till they learn how to wash hands etc and improve ,or all die ,whichever is soonest 
 

[Doctor Gollum]

And yet no one has noticed, or rather, acknowledged the areas where it is most prevalent, and the communities within those areas.

Notwithstanding that those very same communities are also the most susceptible.

But that's fine, we can just carry on hiding under the bed until the next variant comes along

Local lock downs   

keep local high covid areas locked down till they learn how to wash hands etc and improve ,or all die ,whichever is soonest 

Because that has worked so so well during the last seventeen local lockdowns in the exact same areas.

Not...

[Sir Tigger KC]

Well I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt this time, but if there's a pretext to extend again in July I'm done!

[STEMO]

All of the things I can't do I don't do anyway 

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Makes little difference to me tbh. Go to work, come home, mess about with one of the cars on the drive, go to the pub once a week.
Doesnt affect any of that.

[Rangie]

Makes little difference to me tbh. Go to work, come home, mess about with one of the cars on the drive, go to the pub once a week.
Doesnt affect any of that.

. 


Nor me, don't go to work get up feed the dog ,then breakfast shower walk the dog ( not until its cooler at present) home time for coffee gardening or tinker with the cars ,then lunch couple of beers or ciders ( no pub nearby) Scrabble or read . Dinner bit of television bed & repeat..😁

[Marks DTM Calib]

No big impact here either.............still think it was the right decision

[Rangie]

Slight change to routine this week, brought the tin tent out of storage this morning all cleaned & off to North Devon for a couple of weeks.

[cam.in.head]

and it will keep on getting extended until people take notice of the law. hardly anyone around here now seems to wear masks when in small shops or petrol stations and youget looked at when you go in wearing one.buses are only slightly better but still no one questioned if not wearing one.
we all hate wearing them but its for everyones good .dont understand some people.
at first we werent sure about this virus and thoght it would just be tommorows chipwrapper but its stayed and some think it may be here permanent so we all have to do our bit.

[Doctor Gollum]

One of several gripes with masks is that they went from having to be a certain standard to any old t shirt.

Having had both jabs, I would prefer not to have to wear a mask. Ever again. The only times that I do, and then grudgingly, being going through security at work and going into a shop.

Going back to normality doesn't mean pretending that TCV doesn't exist, but rather living with it in a rational, reasonable way. Hiding behind masks or not being allowed out is neither rational nor reasonable. The statistics didn't bear it out a year ago and they certainly don't now.

Most of the people I see in shops not wearing masks are either from a certain demographic or in their slippers/dressing gowns... You know the type, thems that park across three spaces and smoke in Tescos.

Most people are reasonably responsible for what they do, but those that couldn't care less didn't care before and certainly don't care now, so why should the rest of us have to suffer for them?

And it puzzles me as to why its ok to travel for several hours to sleep in a field but not to fly somewhere and sleep on a beach? 

[Sir Tigger KC]

And it puzzles me as to why its ok to travel for several hours to sleep in a field but not to fly somewhere and sleep on a beach? 

That's obvious innit?

Forin lurgies are always worse!   

[Doctor Gollum]

And it puzzles me as to why its ok to travel for several hours to sleep in a field but not to fly somewhere and sleep on a beach? 

That's obvious innit?

Forin lurgies are always worse!   

Don’t drink the water... 

[Rangie]

Round here people are very good re masks, shops garages all displaying masks must be worn signs, distancing is being adhered to, the buses all appear to be virtually empty still how long they can operate like that remains to be seen.

[Varche]

The rule here in Spain is that you wear a mask the minute you leave your house. It has been 34C this week. People generally follow the rules. You can take them off at a restaurant etc when your food or drink arrives. I believe that beaches don’t require a mask to be worn.

We are pretty fortunate that where we live we rarely see anyone and thus don’t wear our masks around the home.

I still have a suspicion that we will all have to wear an air handling space man hood at some stage in the future. Maybe when the Chinese formally launch Covid 2.0

[Rangie]

The rule here in Spain is that you wear a mask the minute you leave your house. It has been 34C this week. People generally follow the rules. You can take them off at a restaurant etc when your food or drink arrives. I believe that beaches don’t require a mask to be worn.

We are pretty fortunate that where we live we rarely see anyone and thus don’t wear our masks around the home.

I still have a suspicion that we will all have to wear an air handling space man hood at some stage in the future. Maybe when the Chinese formally launch Covid 2.0

. 


Strange you mention the Chinese, in 2014 we took our two eldest Grandsons to London to see the sights as they had never been there, hordes of Chinese tourists in the capital and the majority of them were masked up then, I know people will say because of traffic fumes etc, but it does make you think, as someone said recently on here I believe the Chinese have won the third world war with no bombs or ammunition.

[dave the builder]

The rule here in Spain is that you wear a mask the minute you leave your house. It has been 34C this week. People generally follow the rules. You can take them off at a restaurant etc when your food or drink arrives. I believe that beaches don’t require a mask to be worn.

We are pretty fortunate that where we live we rarely see anyone and thus don’t wear our masks around the home.

I still have a suspicion that we will all have to wear an air handling space man hood at some stage in the future. Maybe when the Chinese formally launch Covid 2.0

. 


Strange you mention the Chinese, in 2014 we took our two eldest Grandsons to London to see the sights as they had never been there, hordes of Chinese tourists in the capital and the majority of them were masked up then, I know people will say because of traffic fumes etc, but it does make you think, as someone said recently on here I believe the Chinese have won the third world war with no bombs or ammunition.

Many Chinese people got used to wearing masks way back in 2002 to 2004 when the first SARS virus hit the world ,
 fortunately the first SARS virus was handled well ,people where made to wear masks and travel was halted in effected areas ,it was well publicised  (not covered up in the hope it would go away) and fortunately only less than a thousand died .

when Covid 19 broke out it was a different story
the Chinese government did ban travel in parts of China  ,but people where still allowed to travel anywhere else in the world from China for quite some time 

EVERY NEW INFECTION IS A POSSIBLE NEW VARIANT MUTATION

Not all new cases are tested or reported ,the UK have had 7000+ REPORTED new cases per day for a week 
I fully support the 4 week extension to lockdown measures in the hope more UK citizens get vaccinated .
I also hope and pray that we don't get another variant that the current vaccines have no effect on ,
though i expect that is inevitable 
 

[Rangie]

The rule here in Spain is that you wear a mask the minute you leave your house. It has been 34C this week. People generally follow the rules. You can take them off at a restaurant etc when your food or drink arrives. I believe that beaches don’t require a mask to be worn.

We are pretty fortunate that where we live we rarely see anyone and thus don’t wear our masks around the home.

I still have a suspicion that we will all have to wear an air handling space man hood at some stage in the future. Maybe when the Chinese formally launch Covid 2.0

. 


Strange you mention the Chinese, in 2014 we took our two eldest Grandsons to London to see the sights as they had never been there, hordes of Chinese tourists in the capital and the majority of them were masked up then, I know people will say because of traffic fumes etc, but it does make you think, as someone said recently on here I believe the Chinese have won the third world war with no bombs or ammunition.

Many Chinese people got used to wearing masks way back in 2002 to 2004 when the first SARS virus hit the world ,
 fortunately the first SARS virus was handled well ,people where made to wear masks and travel was halted in effected areas ,it was well publicised  (not covered up in the hope it would go away) and fortunately only less than a thousand died .

when Covid 19 broke out it was a different story
the Chinese government did ban travel in parts of China  ,but people where still allowed to travel anywhere else in the world from China for quite some time 

EVERY NEW INFECTION IS A POSSIBLE NEW VARIANT MUTATION

Not all new cases are tested or reported ,the UK have had 7000+ REPORTED new cases per day for a week 
I fully support the 4 week extension to lockdown measures in the hope more UK citizens get vaccinated .
I also hope and pray that we don't get another variant that the current vaccines have no effect on ,
though i expect that is inevitable 

. 


Entirely agree with you , but as you say it will keep mutating & will outwit even the best medical brains ,the article I read likened it to a Sarcoma type of infection which can hide & lay dormant until it feels powerful enough to wreak havoc within the human it has infected .

[dave the builder]

Yes, Covid is here to stay  and we can't remain locked down forever

but , as we now know covid is airborne in breath droplets , and in human waste like sewage water etc (which ends up on door handles, handrails, most surfaces ,even in our rivers)
hands washing ,disinfecting parcels and shopping ,social distancing and wearing masks in confined spaces is still good practice
and maybe may save your life   

[Doctor Gollum]

The numbers still don't support the continuous scaremongering...

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

In the UK, population 68 million and change... 4.25 million cases, so significantly below 10%, and 127,000 deaths.

Those numbers are, by and large reflected across the globe.

The case levels are below seasonal cold/flu rates and the number of deaths are statistically irrelevant given the case numbers.

That's not to wish it on anyone, especially a severe case, but the numbers don't lie.

Incidentally, looking at the levels of testing, someone is making serious bank 

[Doctor Gollum]

Yes, Covid is here to stay  and we can't remain locked down forever

but , as we now know covid is airborne in breath droplets , and in human waste like sewage water etc (which ends up on door handles, handrails, most surfaces ,even in our rivers)
hands washing ,disinfecting parcels and shopping ,social distancing and wearing masks in confined spaces is still good practice
and maybe may save your life   

Actually, all that cleaning and disinfecting may just kill you if you lose your natural immunity to common lurgies.

Masks might be effective if you changed them everytime you entered a confined space, otherwise all you do is spread everything that has collected on the outside each time you breathe out. And if you don't think that happens but rather the mask absorbs everything, then eventually it becomes saturated and you will be inhaling everything anyway. And in this weather where everyone is hot and sweaty, it takes far less time to saturate them.

I'll leave you with that image whilst you enjoy your dettol sandwiches

[Nick W]

You've just explained how a mask helps to protect other people from you. Which is why they need to be worn by as many people as possible for them to have any effect.


That's just like vaccinations: one person having it is a waste of resources, but once you've vaccinated the majority of a group it gets a lot more effective.

[Doctor Gollum]

No issues with being vaccinated, having had both

The thing with the masks is that once they become saturated, you will inhaling everything that they have collected inside or out in a more concentrated form than if you weren't wearing one.

[Nick W]

That's the explanation for physical distancing/limiting the amount of time you spend near other people.


These are the basic, cheap, simple to manage procedures that are the basis of any risk reduction program.

[Doctor Gollum]

At 50p a mask and, from the disposable ones I have encounter thus far, an 80% failure rate when you put them on.

Cloth ones are more durable, but are about as effective a filter as a night club trainers policy. Which renders them all but useless.

[Varche]

Buy shares in Regeneron.

Remember the last president taking a cocktail of antibody drugs andmore than one person thought he was mad. Well the NHS are trialling them and likely to introduce them later this summer.

[Doctor Gollum]

Don't let MSM hear you say that

On another positive note, Lufthansa have trippled capacity to he Spanish resorts, so at least the resorts will see some revenue this season 

[Nick W]

At 50p a mask and, from the disposable ones I have encounter thus far, an 80% failure rate when you put them on.

Cloth ones are more durable, but are about as effective a filter as a night club trainers policy. Which renders them all but useless.

Watch THIS

[dave the builder]

The numbers still don't support the continuous scaremongering...

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

In the UK, population 68 million and change... 4.25 million cases, so significantly below 10%, and 127,000 deaths.

Those numbers are, by and large reflected across the globe.

The case levels are below seasonal cold/flu rates and the number of deaths are statistically irrelevant given the case numbers.

That's not to wish it on anyone, especially a severe case, but the numbers don't lie.

Incidentally, looking at the levels of testing, someone is making serious bank 

Case numbers are based the tests done ,but we know many people DON'T get tested  or are asymptomatic and blissfully unaware of the germs they are spreading 

Death figures are completely inaccurate anyway from the start ,due to being based on anyone   who dies within 28 days of a positive test ,excess morbidity is a more realistic snapshot . you still don't seem to grasp that concept 

Treatment of Chinese Virus has improved over time ,it's easier to keep someone alive for 29 days
However , long covid (@20%) mean people can die weeks or months later ,as a direct result of an infection .

As Nick kindly points out , wearing masks or any face covering was and is to protect other people from the wearers germs 
washable masks are a thing  if you're worried about the environment 

making excuses about reasons NOT to wear a mask ,or moaning about lockdowns and not being able to do this or that isn't helping the situation 

IF everyone embraced simple rules like social distancing, wearing masks in confined spaces ,and washing hands ,general disinfection etc then we(the human population)  wouldn't be in the mess we are in 

adopting a selfish ,"why should I " approach has cost unimaginable loss



 

[dave the builder]

At 50p a mask and, from the disposable ones I have encounter thus far, an 80% failure rate when you put them on.

Cloth ones are more durable, but are about as effective a filter as a night club trainers policy. Which renders them all but useless.

buy cheap ,buy twice 
invest in several washable masks ,as you would socks or underpants ,and wash them and reuse 

I've finished eating my Dettol* sandwiches thanks 

*other brands or non branded disinfectant solution is available

I purchased bulk benzalkonium chloride ,enough to make 500 liters of sanitizer before the first lockdown 
I've also been wearing a mask in shops etc before the first lockdown and using hand sanitizer

[dave the builder]

Watch THIS

Excellent 

[Doctor Gollum]

Exactly, the muddied death rates look worse than they are, which only serves to make them even less statistically relevent.

As for testing, approximately 45 tests for every case.

And l don't know about you, but I was raised to cover my mouth when coughing or sneezing, not to mention washing my hands as appropriate ie after doing or before and after preparing food.

My shopping habits are unchanged from 2019. I hate doing it, and spend as little time as possible doing it. That's about my socialising limit...

If i was worried about the environment, then I wouldn't own a car. That said I have fabric masks which are washed and reused and are therefore far more economical than disposable ones, and have no issue wearing one where I am obliged to.

But where alot of people don't bother, or only cover their mouth, then there's no point, because they either don't understand or don't care. And as I said before, those that didn't care before won't care tomorrow.

My views on lockdowns are unchanged from last March.

[Doctor Gollum]

Watch THIS

Excellent 

Entertaining, but I wonder how a snood or t shirt would compare?

[dave the builder]

Exactly, the muddied death rates look worse than they are, which only serves to make them even less statistically relevent.

you seem to be struggling getting your head round the fact  that Chinese virus has killed far more people than the 128 thousand  total deaths reported by the "muddled death rates " the true figure is well north of 160 thousand .

this will include people who died because they couldn't get hospital treatment because hospitals where full  of Covid patients due to late lockdowns and peoples lax attitude to following rules to stop the spread

As for testing, approximately 45 tests for every case.

And l don't know about you, but I was raised to cover my mouth when coughing or sneezing, not to mention washing my hands as appropriate ie after doing or before and after preparing food.

However ,we know that many people DON'T wash their hands etc  and DO touch goods in shops etc
so disinfecting things is a wise move ,even without Chinese virus

My shopping habits are unchanged from 2019. I hate doing it, and spend as little time as possible doing it. That's about my socialising limit...

If i was worried about the environment, then I wouldn't own a car. That said I have fabric masks which are washed and reused and are therefore far more economical than disposable ones, and have no issue wearing one where I am obliged to.

But where alot of people don't bother, or only cover their mouth, then there's no point, because they either don't understand or don't care. And as I said before, those that didn't care before won't care tomorrow.

My views on lockdowns are unchanged from last March.

there is every point ,just because someone else breaks the rules ,doesn't mean other people should 

Watch THIS

Excellent 

Entertaining, but I wonder how a snood or t shirt would compare?

cheap manufactured face masks like in the video are not made of some super material that kills Covid

it's just a barrier to reduce the wearer spreading virus to others

a T shirt or snood  whatever one of those is  will also provide a barrier , so better than nothing .

the wearer will trap covid and other germs in the mask , but in order for that to happen, the Covid or germs must be exhaled by the wearer anyway ,so the wearer gets their own germs on their mask ,which they can wash . rather than transmitting those germs to other people , which could cause a global pandemic 

oh wait 

[Doctor Gollum]

The death rates are loosely based on infected deaths ie anyone TCV positive at the time of death regardless of actual cause (hit by a bus/falling down the stairs etc)

Indirect deaths are going to be higher because noone has received any meaningful treatment for anything other than TCV since last March, inspite of dedicated centres being built. That's all completely wrong but seems to have been accepted as perfectly reasonable...

If anything going back to normality should mean access to everything, be that consultants/GPs/treatment as much as anything else.

Places that have remained open haven't had significantly higher infection rates than those places where everyone has been shut in isolation... (except that place in China where they were welding doors closed and shooting infected people)

My 'no point' was in reference to the fact that they may as well have not bothered wearing a mask if it doesn't cover their nose AND mouth

[STEMO]

These figures are showing no signs of moderating. Summer lockdown looms:

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[STEMO]

There was no blue on that map in Scotland a month ago.

[cam.in.head]

the figures will keep on rising until we get more police or other force on the streets and in shops to actually start fining people for breaking the rules. because that cannot happen and because there will always be a poulation of idiots the world will never be covid free.
virtually everyone that i know is doing their bit to help and it does help.masks,washing hands ,distancing etc but as usual its the idiots that dont give a **** letting the rest of us down.
some people have no respect at all these days and it sill only get worse.

[ronnyd]

Here's a thought. If all us old farts are vaccinated, Does it matter if (big if) the youngsters get it  and it's much milder for them. . They don't give youngsters the flu jab. Yes, i know that Covid is a different beast.

[STEMO]

Here's a thought. If all us old farts are vaccinated, Does it matter if (big if) the youngsters get it  and it's much milder for them. . They don't give youngsters the flu jab. Yes, i know that Covid is a different beast.

That's fine as long as hospital cases don't go up, which they are.

[Doctor Gollum]

Here's a thought. If all us old farts are vaccinated, Does it matter if (big if) the youngsters get it  and it's much milder for them. . They don't give youngsters the flu jab. Yes, i know that Covid is a different beast.

That's fine as long as hospital cases don't go up, which they are.

They built those Nightingale centres for a reason. I don't suppose it would actually occur to anyone to use them

[STEMO]

Here's a thought. If all us old farts are vaccinated, Does it matter if (big if) the youngsters get it  and it's much milder for them. . They don't give youngsters the flu jab. Yes, i know that Covid is a different beast.

That's fine as long as hospital cases don't go up, which they are.

They built those Nightingale centres for a reason. I don't suppose it would actually occur to anyone to use them

No. Remember that, according to Boris, Hancock is f**king useless.

[ronnyd]

Here's a thought. If all us old farts are vaccinated, Does it matter if (big if) the youngsters get it  and it's much milder for them. . They don't give youngsters the flu jab. Yes, i know that Covid is a different beast.

That's fine as long as hospital cases don't go up, which they are.

They built those Nightingale centres for a reason. I don't suppose it would actually occur to anyone to use them

No. Remember that, according to Boris, Hancock is f**king useless.

Most of us i reckon.

[Sir Tigger KC]

Here's a thought. If all us old farts are vaccinated, Does it matter if (big if) the youngsters get it  and it's much milder for them. . They don't give youngsters the flu jab. Yes, i know that Covid is a different beast.

That's fine as long as hospital cases don't go up, which they are.

They built those Nightingale centres for a reason. I don't suppose it would actually occur to anyone to use them

I think you'll find they dismantled most of them, although the one at Exeter is being used as a triage centre for cancer and other nasties. 

[Sir Tigger KC]

There was no blue on that map in Scotland a month ago.

Wee Krankie will be blaming the English for that then?   

[STEMO]

There was no blue on that map in Scotland a month ago.

Wee Krankie will be blaming the English for that then?   

She's been far too quiet for my liking.