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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: zirk on 29 May 2019, 14:49:13
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.....over the £350 Million we supposedly give to the EU every week Claims and the money will go to NHS malarkey, blah, blah, blah, in the 2016 Referendum Campaign. ::)
I mean this is the "Odds On" guy who is set to be our next PM. ;D
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As Ive just posted in the other thread - £350 million a week is about right.
No-one ever said the NHS would receive that £350 million a week.
Next. ::)
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Digging as deep as I care to, it turns out the fudging / untruth arrived because the 'real' figure is 350million euros, not £350 million... this is about £308million... of that £308 mill a theoretical £78 million Britain get's 'back' from being in the Common Meerkat, meaning a net cost of 230mill.
Either way, of course the ppont, whether its £350, £308, £230 or a £squilliontwelvety million, it s chuffing llot of money we pay into a large pot for 'net', and that was the point being made by the Brexit campaign.
This feels a little like someone mentioning in passing Jack the Ripper brutally murdered six women, and being corrected that "actually it was only five" - well, yes.... true, as it turns out, sorry, he only brutally killed five... he was a Saint, then!
A politician tweaked the facts slightly for their benefit. I'm amazed!
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That is Boris discredited although I always said he was damaged goods.
Just Raab and the as yet not in the race Steve Baker to get rid of and the way will be clear for a Brino. Even softer than T.Mays or we stay in the EU.
None of the lie peddlars from remain will get summoned. Hard to prove any of it. But once a person is clouded they are done for. 10/10 for the establishment effort.
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Now his early entry in to the leadership race makes sense ::)
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As I stated in other threads:
"The UK Statistics Authority, whilst the bus was still going around, made it clear that "£350 million" claim was "misleading and undermines trust in official statistics”as the net figure actually paid to the EU, after all considerations such as rebates and payments from the EU, according to Sir Andrew Dilnot, the chair of the authority, was nearer £136 million per week."
"It was false advertising which if stated alongside a product being sold on TV or in the general media would have been banned. It was a blatant lie, and although it was proved to be at the time, general Joe Public who wanted to Leave still went along with it as once you advertise anything, true or false, a percentage will always believe it, especially if they believe in Boris. He put his name to it and now, hopefully, he will pay for that con. :y"
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No-one ever said the NHS would receive that £350 million a week.
The implication absolutely was that the NHS would be getting it. An implication made by the Tories on the Leave side, and brainwasher Nige.
I know, because I was absolutely livid... ...not at the fact it was a lie (because the figures were blantantly utter 'dangle berries', and only the thickest of the thick (which turns out to be the majority of UK citizens :() would belive that), but because it was promised to the NHS. And we all know the NHS doesn't deserve it until they can show some element of efficiency.
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I think you are , again , besmirching the intelligence of those that voted to leave .
I voted leave but it wasn't because of what was written on the side of a bus , that well spewed belief is just another example of the remain camp accusing the leavers of being " thickest of the thick " . That my friend ,says more about you than I .
It's called hyperbole , and guess what , it has been used before .........
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I think you are , again , besmirching the intelligence of those that voted to leave .
I think you misunderstand, my friend.
Just because the majority of the UK population are stupid, and the majority of those that could be arsed to vote voted to leave, that does not make them one and the same ;).
I never said that leave voters were thick ;). Sure, many are in my experience, but then again, many remainers are thick. Too thick even to bother voting.
Stupidity has been bred into our society for several decades, not just since around the spring of 2016. Sadly, we allow them to breed, and then wonder why we are buggered.
As for the bus thing, nobody intelligent believed it. But I can tell you from a random sample of people at the time - mostly leavers it has to be said - did believe it. In fact, it swayed their voting for their beloved waste of space NHS.
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I think you are , again , besmirching the intelligence of those that voted to leave .
I think you misunderstand, my friend.
Just because the majority of the UK population are stupid, and the majority of those that could be arsed to vote voted to leave, that does not make them one and the same ;).
Ah I see , your statement was based on your own view of the world , not factual.
I never said that leave voters were thick ;). Sure, many are in my experience, but then again, many remainers are thick. Too thick even to bother voting.
Ah OK , so nobody's thick then both leave and remainers are normal sane people with differing views just so happened that on the day there were more sane leavers .
Stupidity has been bred into our society for several decades, not just since around the spring of 2016. Sadly, we allow them to breed, and then wonder why we are buggered.
There you go again with that negative attitude ....
As for the bus thing, nobody intelligent believed it.
Thanks we knew that all along .. ;)
But I can tell you from a random sample of people at the time - mostly leavers it has to be said - did believe it. In fact, it swayed their voting for their beloved waste of space NHS.
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No-one ever said the NHS would receive that £350 million a week.
The implication absolutely was that the NHS would be getting it. An implication made by the Tories on the Leave side, and brainwasher Nige.
I know, because I was absolutely livid... ...not at the fact it was a lie (because the figures were blantantly utter 'dangle berries', and only the thickest of the thick (which turns out to be the majority of UK citizens :() would belive that), but because it was promised to the NHS. And we all know the NHS doesn't deserve it until they can show some element of efficiency.
Your wrong (again). Farage had no connection with that campaign and has stated several times that if he had, that slogan wouldn't have been used. I actually think that someone who read that slogan and took it as a pledge to spend an extra £350 million a week on the NHS is the thickest of the thick.
But I have never met a leaver (and I have met a lot) who voted leave because of what was written on the side of the bus.
Boris also said at the time that he believed that all of that money should be spent on the NHS and no doubt will be held to it if the establishment doesn't succeed in derailing his leadership campaign.
I agree that it would be wasted on the NHS as it is currently run, but what do I know. Im just the kid who didn't bother to turn up at the local comprehensive.
Theres a bigger issue at play here though. The Judiciary is taking part in an establishment conspiracy to try to stop a Brexiteer from becoming PM. if it isn't so then this case could have been brought at any time over the last three years.
Its disgusting and very worrying.
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Dont worry, the establishment have asked Bercow to stay on. He will put the kybosh on any Brexit moves.
Establishment 1 people 0
Things were better when the male toffs had the vote and the plebs just concentrated on managing to live.
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No-one ever said the NHS would receive that £350 million a week.
The implication absolutely was that the NHS would be getting it. An implication made by the Tories on the Leave side, and brainwasher Nige.
I know, because I was absolutely livid... ...not at the fact it was a lie (because the figures were blantantly utter 'dangle berries', and only the thickest of the thick (which turns out to be the majority of UK citizens :() would belive that), but because it was promised to the NHS. And we all know the NHS doesn't deserve it until they can show some element of efficiency.
Your wrong (again). Farage had no connection with that campaign and has stated several times that if he had, that slogan wouldn't have been used. I actually think that someone who read that slogan and took it as a pledge to spend an extra £350 million a week on the NHS is the thickest of the thick.
But I have never met a leaver (and I have met a lot) who voted leave because of what was written on the side of the bus.
Boris also said at the time that he believed that all of that money should be spent on the NHS and no doubt will be held to it if the establishment doesn't succeed in derailing his leadership campaign.
I agree that it would be wasted on the NHS as it is currently run, but what do I know. Im just the kid who didn't bother to turn up at the local comprehensive.
Theres a bigger issue at play here though. The Judiciary is taking part in an establishment conspiracy to try to stop a Brexiteer from becoming PM. if it isn't so then this case could have been brought at any time over the last three years.
Its disgusting and very worrying.
I echo that .
I heard it reported that the case was to create a precedent for future political statements .
The cynic in me thinks otherwise .
And with that diminutive ,odious turd Bercow openly stating that HE will not allow a hard exit it only adds to the sinister manoeuvers going on.
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I think you are , again , besmirching the intelligence of those that voted to leave .
I think you misunderstand, my friend.
Just because the majority of the UK population are stupid, and the majority of those that could be arsed to vote voted to leave, that does not make them one and the same ;).
I never said that leave voters were thick ;). Sure, many are in my experience, but then again, many remainers are thick. Too thick even to bother voting.
Stupidity has been bred into our society for several decades, not just since around the spring of 2016. Sadly, we allow them to breed, and then wonder why we are buggered.
As for the bus thing, nobody intelligent believed it. But I can tell you from a random sample of people at the time - mostly leavers it has to be said - did believe it. In fact, it swayed their voting for their beloved waste of space NHS.
If brexit is stolen, wait for the next general election. All the thick people will become very spiteful...anarchistic even. We will end up with a very different type of government than we have been used to. But, then again, that's probably a good thing.
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Hopefully that hateful little witch Yvette Cooper will be performing a double act with her husband on Strictly has beens, after the next election. :)
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here are the real figures,at the time! they are worse/more now
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/10/the-350m-line-on-the-brexit-bus-was-wrong-the-real-figure-is-higher/?fbclid=IwAR38yt6h-wvmqG6vPQXbAffeWtD9rszSYa_HArPctDWPkbIkbIv4SPn4MxM
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A very well written article.
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From the average man in the street, wgaf, politicans all ways lie, then lie and go around the houses, and then get away with it..
It's there train set and theirs rules.
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It appears that the “entrepreneur” behind this a action has form. Wonder how long before the media is full of that.
Methinks the establishment should have used a different bloke.
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Who is it then. Surely not the ludicrous Pimlico plumber ? ::)
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While the thought of Boris as PM is frightening, I am glad this case has been brought, as I suspect the outcome will play to Leave more than Remain, and may bring about the opposite result than that wished for. :y
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The bloke bringing the case claimed his campaign to stop Brexit was entirely run by volunteers, but later admitted to paying himself two grand a month . Maybe someone should now take him to court. ::)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7085721/Remainer-prosecuting-Boris-Johnson-spent-50-000-donations.html
Meanwhile Looby loo Soubry claimed today that (No) Change UK did better than any other new party in the Euro elections.
Someone could take her to court for telling lies, but Im sure a plea of insanity would be all too easy to prove. ;D
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I don't want to get all political, as I am usually out of step with most at OOF, but I hated Boris since the very first time he appeared on Have I got news for you.
That Ian Hislop failed to attack him with a sawn off shot gun in his face, is something I can never forgive.
I'm obviously joking, a quick death would be too good for the over entitled self-abuser. I would remove his teeth, and make him live on Universal Credit.
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I don't want to get all political, as I am usually out of step with most at OOF, but I hated Boris since the very first time he appeared on Have I got news for you.
That Ian Hislop failed to attack him with a sawn off shot gun in his face, is something I can never forgive.
I'm obviously joking, a quick death would be too good for the over entitled self-abuser. I would remove his teeth, and make him live on Universal Credit.
I expect you are just jealous because you think he has a bigger entitled dick than you! :D
Mind you for a bumbling fat bastard he certainly gets the women, so maybe you're on to something. ::) ;D
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I don't want to get all political, as I am usually out of step with most at OOF, but I hated Boris since the very first time he appeared on Have I got news for you.
That Ian Hislop failed to attack him with a sawn off shot gun in his face, is something I can never forgive.
I'm obviously joking, a quick death would be too good for the over entitled self-abuser. I would remove his teeth, and make him live on Universal Credit.
I expect you are just jealous because you think he has a bigger entitled dick than you! :D
Mind you for a bumbling fat bastard he certainly gets the women, so maybe you're on to something. ::) ;D
Not a Marina Coupe in sight, either. :y
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I don't want to get all political, as I am usually out of step with most at OOF, but I hated Boris since the very first time he appeared on Have I got news for you.
That Ian Hislop failed to attack him with a sawn off shot gun in his face, is something I can never forgive.
I'm obviously joking, a quick death would be too good for the over entitled self-abuser. I would remove his teeth, and make him live on Universal Credit.
I expect you are just jealous because you think he has a bigger entitled dick than you! :D
Mind you for a bumbling fat bastard he certainly gets the women, so maybe you're on to something. ::) ;D
Not a Marina Coupe in sight, either. :y
Just imagine.... Boris in a BL mustard coloured Marina Coupe! ::)
The man would be unstoppable! :y
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Dosn't he drive a shit heap Toyota Previa or something? :-\ ::) ;D
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If Boris is convicted as I've written on Twitter #OpeningACanOfWorms as there are many other politicians who will regret their lies:
1. Blair/Campbell: Iraq dossier.
2. Osborne/Hammond/BOE/Treasury: Project fear.
3. PM May: Almost all she has ever said including: #BRINO is #Brexit, No deal is better than a bad deal, Leaving on 29th March etc.
4. Most Tories/Liebour politicians on their manifestos: We will implement the result of the EU referendum.
5. Change UK: Short changing the electorate by saying they are a new force in changing politics.
6. BBC: We are impartial as per our Royal Charter on Brexit & Climate Fraud Change.
7. Gordon McRuin: No more boom & bust.
8. Liebour: 48 hours to save the NHS.
9. Corbyn: IRA 'peace talks', Iran, Terrorist wreath, Hezbollah talks, not anti-semitic, paid Czech spy etc.
10. Nick Clegg: No student fees or loans.
11. Cameron: Lisbon treaty referendum.
12. Most MPs with their expenses.
13. 'Impartial' civil servants.
14. Crossrail / HS2: On time & within budget.
15. NHS & Police: Official statistics.
I'm sure you can think of many, many more.
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I don't want to get all political, as I am usually out of step with most at OOF, but I hated Boris since the very first time he appeared on Have I got news for you.
That Ian Hislop failed to attack him with a sawn off shot gun in his face, is something I can never forgive.
I'm obviously joking, a quick death would be too good for the over entitled self-abuser. I would remove his teeth, and make him live on Universal Credit.
I expect you are just jealous because you think he has a bigger entitled dick than you! :D
Mind you for a bumbling fat bastard he certainly gets the women, so maybe you're on to something. ::) ;D
I do not know why. He makes me feel physically sick. I do not know him of course, but just his presence on TVs makes me get angry. I will never vote conservative again if he ever becomes PM >:(
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If Boris is convicted as I've written on Twitter #OpeningACanOfWorms as there are many other politicians who will regret their lies:
1. Blair/Campbell: Iraq dossier.
2. Osborne/Hammond/BOE/Treasury: Project fear.
3. PM May: Almost all she has ever said including: #BRINO is #Brexit, No deal is better than a bad deal, Leaving on 29th March etc.
4. Most Tories/Liebour politicians on their manifestos: We will implement the result of the EU referendum.
5. Change UK: Short changing the electorate by saying they are a new force in changing politics.
6. BBC: We are impartial as per our Royal Charter on Brexit & Climate Fraud Change.
7. Gordon McRuin: No more boom & bust.
8. Liebour: 48 hours to save the NHS.
9. Corbyn: IRA 'peace talks', Iran, Terrorist wreath, Hezbollah talks, not anti-semitic, paid Czech spy etc.
10. Nick Clegg: No student fees or loans.
11. Cameron: Lisbon treaty referendum.
12. Most MPs with their expenses.
13. 'Impartial' civil servants.
14. Crossrail / HS2: On time & within budget.
15. NHS & Police: Official statistics.
I'm sure you can think of many, many more.
makes you wonder why we elected them at all, Brexit party will change politics for ever I hope!
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Tories will be wiped out at the next GE where they are Labour Lite & the Brexit Party are the new centre-right conservative party. They are also taking considerable northern Labour working class votes, where Labour now only do identity politics to appeal to the Islington Champagne socialists.
Many former Conservative voters don't trust the Tories after May's constant lying & will never vote for them again.
If there was a GE tomorrow & same percentages as the EU election then Brexit Party 440 seats, Labour 93 & Tories 1. Latest GE poll has Brexit party in second 1% behind labour & the Tories a distant 4th only just in front of the Greens. As it is a first past the post, the Tories are largely wiped out on this polling.
What it does mean is that all of the current parties with Westminster MPs will put off a GE for as long as possible. Peterborough by election on the 7th of June the Brexit party are leading in the polls & may well have their first MP next week. If the Tories end up with two remain MPs for the members to vote on as PM, that will definitely signal the end of the Tory party.
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I don't want to get all political, as I am usually out of step with most at OOF, but I hated Boris since the very first time he appeared on Have I got news for you.
That Ian Hislop failed to attack him with a sawn off shot gun in his face, is something I can never forgive.
I'm obviously joking, a quick death would be too good for the over entitled self-abuser. I would remove his teeth, and make him live on Universal Credit.
I expect you are just jealous because you think he has a bigger entitled dick than you! :D
Mind you for a bumbling fat rich bastard he certainly gets the women, so maybe you're on to something. ::) ;D
I wonder.
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The Tories candidate for the Peterborough by-election next week is a Westminster lobbyist..... ::)
Granted he was probably selected ages ago, but it just shows how complacent the Tories have become and have learnt nothing from Trump, BREXIT and the enduring appeal of characters like Farage to the electorate. :-X
I think I'll write in. :)
Actually no, I won't bother. Let the bastards hang themselves with their own petard! :D :y
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I don't want to get all political, as I am usually out of step with most at OOF, but I hated Boris since the very first time he appeared on Have I got news for you.
That Ian Hislop failed to attack him with a sawn off shot gun in his face, is something I can never forgive.
I'm obviously joking, a quick death would be too good for the over entitled self-abuser. I would remove his teeth, and make him live on Universal Credit.
I expect you are just jealous because you think he has a bigger entitled dick than you! :D
Mind you for a bumbling fat rich bastard he certainly gets the women, so maybe you're on to something. ::) ;D
I wonder.
Good point POD! :y
It's certainly not for the car he drives anyway! ::) ;D
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I don't want to get all political, as I am usually out of step with most at OOF, but I hated Boris since the very first time he appeared on Have I got news for you.
That Ian Hislop failed to attack him with a sawn off shot gun in his face, is something I can never forgive.
I'm obviously joking, a quick death would be too good for the over entitled self-abuser. I would remove his teeth, and make him live on Universal Credit.
I expect you are just jealous because you think he has a bigger entitled dick than you! :D
Mind you for a bumbling fat bastard he certainly gets the women, so maybe you're on to something. ::) ;D
Not a Marina Coupe in sight, either. :y
Just imagine.... Boris in a BL mustard coloured Marina Coupe! ::)
The man would be unstoppable! :y
Indeed. The brakes never were that special. ;)
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I don't want to get all political, as I am usually out of step with most at OOF, but I hated Boris since the very first time he appeared on Have I got news for you.
That Ian Hislop failed to attack him with a sawn off shot gun in his face, is something I can never forgive.
I'm obviously joking, a quick death would be too good for the over entitled self-abuser. I would remove his teeth, and make him live on Universal Credit.
I expect you are just jealous because you think he has a bigger entitled dick than you! :D
Mind you for a bumbling fat bastard he certainly gets the women, so maybe you're on to something. ::) ;D
Not a Marina Coupe in sight, either. :y
Just imagine.... Boris in a BL mustard coloured Marina Coupe! ::)
The man would be unstoppable! :y
Indeed. The brakes never were that special. ;)
Dunno, I don't remember using them that much. :-\
Apart from the handbrake in empty car parks of course! :D ;D
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I don't want to get all political, as I am usually out of step with most at OOF, but I hated Boris since the very first time he appeared on Have I got news for you.
That Ian Hislop failed to attack him with a sawn off shot gun in his face, is something I can never forgive.
I'm obviously joking, a quick death would be too good for the over entitled self-abuser. I would remove his teeth, and make him live on Universal Credit.
I expect you are just jealous because you think he has a bigger entitled dick than you! :D
Mind you for a bumbling fat bastard he certainly gets the women, so maybe you're on to something. ::) ;D
Not a Marina Coupe in sight, either. :y
Just imagine.... Boris in a BL mustard coloured Marina Coupe! ::)
The man would be unstoppable! :y
Indeed. The brakes never were that special. ;)
Dunno, I don't remember using them that much. :-\
Apart from the handbrake in empty car parks of course! :D ;D
Empty car park in Lyme? Pull the other one! ;D
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Seems my wish-is coming true. All and sundry prosecuting any lying politician.
Galloway intending prosecuting Alastair Campbell over the Iraq dossier.
How long before someone prosecutes Labour and Conservatives for lying in their manifestoes.
The economy could be boosted into double figure growth with solicitors fuelling the growth. That would offset any potential losses due to Brexit.
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Seems my wish-is coming true. All and sundry prosecuting any lying politician.
Galloway intending prosecuting Alastair Campbell over the Iraq dossier.
How long before someone prosecutes Labour and Conservatives for lying in their manifestoes.
The economy could be boosted into double figure growth with solicitors fuelling the growth. That would offset any potential losses due to Brexit.
I'd love to see that horrible bastard dragged through the courts! :y Why on earth the MSM give him a platform is totally beyond me. :-\ >:(
A crowd funder ad popped up on my facebook page yesterday trying to raise money to fund a private prosecution against Cameron and Osborne for the lies they told during the referendum campaign! :)
The floodgates have opened! ;D
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Buy shares in Hello! magazine.
Watch the country’s GDP rocket. ;D
The feelgood factor will be marvellous. There will be a political villain for every taste. Even the Greens will not be safe.
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TB's Green bint MP would have the convincing defence that she didn't have the faintest idea on what she was talking about. ::)
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The case has been thrown out by judges at the high court :)
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The case has been thrown out by judges at the high court :)
Just imagine the can of worms if it had been allowed to proceed. ;D
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The case has been thrown out by judges at the high court :)
Just imagine the can of worms if it had been allowed to proceed. ;D
Yes, they would have had to have dug up Neville Chamberlain for his 'Peace in our time' claim! ;D