Topic: LPG Kit Supplier and some thoughts... (Read 3390 times)

Lazydocker · « **on:** 15 February 2010, 13:34:30 »

I have spoken to the supplier today and expressed some concerns with respect to his answering service as several people, myself included, have had issues getting in contact. The good news is that he has hopefully settled down a bit now and shouldn't be travelling as much

He's also developed a new ECU, with some interesting features including a "self-learn" function, which does exactly that... You calibrate it and set it to self-learn and it does the full calibration whilst being driven about, without the need for a laptop connected and someone keeping an eye on it

Now for the interesting part... I'm looking at options for Toroidal tanks for the Estate I'm after and was struggling to see more than a 55L tank fitting, which included raising the floor about an inch. This simply wouldn't be big enough for my requirements (in reality) as that's only a 44L usable size and 10ish Gallons at an average 20mpg (worst case average) isn't enough, never mind when the Caravan is on the back

The suggestion, which is something he has done numerous times, is to cut out the bottom of the wheel well and use a top mounted tank attached to a steel plate which is, in turn, fitted to the boot floor over the wheel well. :-/ :-/

Now this has some real potential... It means the floor doesn't need raising any noticeable amount (2.5-3mm for the plate) and, I think, a 77L tank... Which is much more reasonable, giving about 61L usable, only 3 L less than Kevin Woods' and Entwood's tanks. This makes it workable

My thinking is that it has real potential... Whilst I'm not overly happy about cutting a great hole in the floor of a new car, it does mean getting a reasonable sized tank in. As long as it's finished properly and sealed correctly it's fine

So... Any thoughts?

Kevin Wood · « **Reply #1 on:** 15 February 2010, 14:00:31 »

I've been looking at the mapping software for that new LPG controller and would be keen to play with one if anyone is tempted and about to convert. In addition to self-mapping it has much more flexibility for manual mapping.

I believe the self-mapping requires an OBDII complaint engine ECU though. :-/

As to the spare wheel well option yes, it would be interesting to try. Firstly, you could use a centre-filled toroidal tank as you wouldn't need the valve to be in the centre. It could be on the edge of the tank and, since it'll be dangling in fresh air you won't need any ducting for ventilation.

The petrol tank on the estate is fairly closely moulded to the shape of the wheel well as we discovered when doing Marie's install. Not having the wheel well in place will increase the volume available quite a bit, but fitting it within the confines of the petrol tank will be the ultimate limitation. I guess the petrol tank could be dropped a few inches by spacing out the tank strap mountings for a bit more space.

It's a nice idea. It would be great to chop out the wheel well on a car, weld in a flat floor and then take it along to Teilo's to offer up some tanks and see what the limits are.

Now, where's that tin opener...

Kevin

tunnie · « **Reply #2 on:** 15 February 2010, 14:06:39 »

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I've been looking at the mapping software for that new LPG controller and would be keen to play with one if anyone is tempted and about to convert. In addition to self-mapping it has much more flexibility for manual mapping.

I need to get my ass in gear and covert mine, all the required stuff is in the garage

Got half of March off (18th to 2nd April)

If your free then be good to get mine converted

Lazydocker · « **Reply #3 on:** 15 February 2010, 14:08:33 »

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I've been looking at the mapping software for that new LPG controller and would be keen to play with one if anyone is tempted and about to convert. In addition to self-mapping it has much more flexibility for manual mapping.

I believe the self-mapping requires an OBDII complaint engine ECU though. :-/

As to the spare wheel well option yes, it would be interesting to try. Firstly, you could use a centre-filled toroidal tank as you wouldn't need the valve to be in the centre. It could be on the edge of the tank and, since it'll be dangling in fresh air you won't need any ducting for ventilation.

The petrol tank on the estate is fairly closely moulded to the shape of the wheel well as we discovered when doing Marie's install. Not having the wheel well in place will increase the volume available quite a bit, but fitting it within the confines of the petrol tank will be the ultimate limitation. I guess the petrol tank could be dropped a few inches by spacing out the tank strap mountings for a bit more space.

It's a nice idea. It would be great to chop out the wheel well on a car, weld in a flat floor and then take it along to Teilo's to offer up some tanks and see what the limits are.

Now, where's that tin opener...

Kevin

The new ECU isn't the Stag 300-Premium/Plus... It's his own design, manufactured in the UK, although he is expecting some Premium/Plus ECU's through soon.

The Self Mapping on his ECU isn't OBD2 dependant as the ECU isn't OBD2

So... The tank is moulded around the wheel well? And under or just around?? If it runs under that may pretty much scupper the idea of cutting out the floor, although it will offer extra weather protection

The plan is to use a Top mounted, Full Toroidal Tank, which I think I could get a 77L one in, assuming there is space under the car for the correct ground clearance. I said about welding the plate in and he said it's not essential... Can just be bolted in :-/ :-/ Think I'd prefer it welded, with a small access panel to get to valves/wiring

Lazydocker · « **Reply #4 on:** 15 February 2010, 14:10:09 »

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I've been looking at the mapping software for that new LPG controller and would be keen to play with one if anyone is tempted and about to convert. In addition to self-mapping it has much more flexibility for manual mapping.

I need to get my ass in gear and covert mine, all the required stuff is in the garage

Got half of March off (18th to 2nd April)

If your free then be good to get mine converted

You've not got a Stag 300 Premium/Plus controller though

I did say that I'm available at odd times, working 4-on/4-off... Just give me a shout and I'll see if I can help

tunnie · « **Reply #5 on:** 15 February 2010, 14:12:15 »

D'oh, your mappings with be for 6 pots of course

Cheers mate, may very well take you up on that. Got a spare inlet manifold thanks to KenT which i need to get the LPG injectors mounted on first

Lazydocker · « **Reply #6 on:** 15 February 2010, 14:15:23 »

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I've been looking at the mapping software for that new LPG controller and would be keen to play with one if anyone is tempted and about to convert. In addition to self-mapping it has much more flexibility for manual mapping.

I believe the self-mapping requires an OBDII complaint engine ECU though. :-/

As to the spare wheel well option yes, it would be interesting to try. Firstly, you could use a centre-filled toroidal tank as you wouldn't need the valve to be in the centre. It could be on the edge of the tank and, since it'll be dangling in fresh air you won't need any ducting for ventilation.

The petrol tank on the estate is fairly closely moulded to the shape of the wheel well as we discovered when doing Marie's install. Not having the wheel well in place will increase the volume available quite a bit, but fitting it within the confines of the petrol tank will be the ultimate limitation. I guess the petrol tank could be dropped a few inches by spacing out the tank strap mountings for a bit more space.

It's a nice idea. It would be great to chop out the wheel well on a car, weld in a flat floor and then take it along to Teilo's to offer up some tanks and see what the limits are.

Now, where's that tin opener...

Kevin

If the tank is around and not "under" the well... What's the dimension of the "hole" in the tank... I've based the thoughts on a 650mm diameter tank... If I can go up to 720mm Diameter then can get a 95L one in there

Lazydocker · « **Reply #7 on:** 15 February 2010, 14:16:52 »

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D'oh, your mappings with be for 6 pots of course

Cheers mate, may very well take you up on that. Got a spare inlet manifold thanks to KenT which i need to get the LPG injectors mounted on first

There's an expert at fitting nozzles on here... In fact, he's posted on this thread above your first post

TheBoy · « **Reply #8 on:** 15 February 2010, 14:18:27 »

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D'oh, your mappings with be for 6 pots of course

Cheers mate, may very well take you up on that. Got a spare inlet manifold thanks to KenT which i need to get the LPG injectors mounted on first

There's an expert at fitting nozzles on here... In fact, he's posted on this thread above your first post

He's got too much else on

JamesV6CDX · « **Reply #9 on:** 15 February 2010, 14:19:44 »

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D'oh, your mappings with be for 6 pots of course

Cheers mate, may very well take you up on that. Got a spare inlet manifold thanks to KenT which i need to get the LPG injectors mounted on first

There's an expert at fitting nozzles on here... In fact, he's posted on this thread above your first post
He's got too much else on

Assuming you're converting, can I come and help / take the piss?

tunnie · « **Reply #10 on:** 15 February 2010, 14:21:28 »

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D'oh, your mappings with be for 6 pots of course

Cheers mate, may very well take you up on that. Got a spare inlet manifold thanks to KenT which i need to get the LPG injectors mounted on first

There's an expert at fitting nozzles on here... In fact, he's posted on this thread above your first post

Noted

I'd like to help as much as i can, Kevin Wood kindly offered to do them if i post them down, but i feel bad doing that. I want to try and do as much of it myself, Suffolk is a bit far for me

tunnie · « **Reply #11 on:** 15 February 2010, 14:21:59 »

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D'oh, your mappings with be for 6 pots of course

Cheers mate, may very well take you up on that. Got a spare inlet manifold thanks to KenT which i need to get the LPG injectors mounted on first

There's an expert at fitting nozzles on here... In fact, he's posted on this thread above your first post
He's got too much else on

Assuming you're converting, can I come and help / take the piss?

At me or TB? Think all the 2/3's engine jokes have run their course

Lazydocker · « **Reply #12 on:** 15 February 2010, 14:23:58 »

Oh dear... Looks like Tunnie's going to have to go and have buy a pig for all those Bacon Sarnies

tunnie · « **Reply #13 on:** 15 February 2010, 14:25:25 »

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Oh dear... Looks like Tunnie's going to have to go and have buy a pig for all those Bacon Sarnies

No doubt my garage with its 'boys tools' will be called apon

Lazydocker · « **Reply #14 on:** 15 February 2010, 14:25:46 »

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D'oh, your mappings with be for 6 pots of course

Cheers mate, may very well take you up on that. Got a spare inlet manifold thanks to KenT which i need to get the LPG injectors mounted on first

There's an expert at fitting nozzles on here... In fact, he's posted on this thread above your first post

Noted

I'd like to help as much as i can, Kevin Wood kindly offered to do them if i post them down, but i feel bad doing that. I want to try and do as much of it myself, Suffolk is a bit far for me

I meant Kevin... He doesn't mind, it gives him something to do while SWMBO is watching the soaps

I was offering to come over that way to help you out... You've got a garage

Lazydocker · « **Reply #15 on:** 15 February 2010, 14:27:17 »

TB can come along and have a play too... It'll give him an idea what hewe'll be doing when we do the MV6

TheBoy · « **Reply #16 on:** 15 February 2010, 14:27:56 »

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D'oh, your mappings with be for 6 pots of course

Cheers mate, may very well take you up on that. Got a spare inlet manifold thanks to KenT which i need to get the LPG injectors mounted on first

There's an expert at fitting nozzles on here... In fact, he's posted on this thread above your first post

Noted

I'd like to help as much as i can, Kevin Wood kindly offered to do them if i post them down, but i feel bad doing that. I want to try and do as much of it myself, Suffolk is a bit far for me

I meant Kevin... He doesn't mind, it gives him something to do while SWMBO is watching the soaps

I was offering to come over that way to help you out... You've got a garage

I should point out, as well as not having 'mans tools', tunnie's double garage has a bloody pillar down the middle!

Sammy!

tunnie · « **Reply #17 on:** 15 February 2010, 14:29:05 »

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D'oh, your mappings with be for 6 pots of course

Cheers mate, may very well take you up on that. Got a spare inlet manifold thanks to KenT which i need to get the LPG injectors mounted on first

There's an expert at fitting nozzles on here... In fact, he's posted on this thread above your first post

Noted

I'd like to help as much as i can, Kevin Wood kindly offered to do them if i post them down, but i feel bad doing that. I want to try and do as much of it myself, Suffolk is a bit far for me

I meant Kevin... He doesn't mind, it gives him something to do while SWMBO is watching the soaps

I was offering to come over that way to help you out... You've got a garage

Blimey thats very kind of you, do you work standard weeks? I do 3 days on 3 days off and for the next couple of weeks i am on weekends, but got mid-weeks off.

tunnie · « **Reply #18 on:** 15 February 2010, 14:30:20 »

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D'oh, your mappings with be for 6 pots of course

Cheers mate, may very well take you up on that. Got a spare inlet manifold thanks to KenT which i need to get the LPG injectors mounted on first

There's an expert at fitting nozzles on here... In fact, he's posted on this thread above your first post

Noted

I'd like to help as much as i can, Kevin Wood kindly offered to do them if i post them down, but i feel bad doing that. I want to try and do as much of it myself, Suffolk is a bit far for me

I meant Kevin... He doesn't mind, it gives him something to do while SWMBO is watching the soaps

I was offering to come over that way to help you out... You've got a garage
I should point out, as well as not having 'mans tools', tunnie's double garage has a bloody pillar down the middle!

Sammy!

Does cause problems for some jobs, like hand brake adjustment

For those in the know just picture TB sat facing a rear disc, with a hammer

Its ok for engine relaed work though

JamesV6CDX · « **Reply #19 on:** 15 February 2010, 14:30:37 »

if we could get three/four of us, we'd blat through a 4 pot LPG install in a couple of days

TheBoy · « **Reply #20 on:** 15 February 2010, 14:32:32 »

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D'oh, your mappings with be for 6 pots of course

Cheers mate, may very well take you up on that. Got a spare inlet manifold thanks to KenT which i need to get the LPG injectors mounted on first

There's an expert at fitting nozzles on here... In fact, he's posted on this thread above your first post

Noted

I'd like to help as much as i can, Kevin Wood kindly offered to do them if i post them down, but i feel bad doing that. I want to try and do as much of it myself, Suffolk is a bit far for me

I meant Kevin... He doesn't mind, it gives him something to do while SWMBO is watching the soaps

I was offering to come over that way to help you out... You've got a garage
I should point out, as well as not having 'mans tools', tunnie's double garage has a bloody pillar down the middle!

Sammy!

Does cause problems for some jobs, like hand brake adjustment

For those in the know just picture TB sat facing a rear disc, with a hammer

Its ok for engine relaed work though

That wasn't a hammer, that was a bloody kids toy

Lazydocker · « **Reply #21 on:** 15 February 2010, 14:38:28 »

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if we could get three/four of us, we'd blat through a 4 pot LPG install in a couple of days

I should think so... I did my V6 in 3 fairly easy days on my own

JamesV6CDX · « **Reply #22 on:** 15 February 2010, 14:39:17 »

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if we could get three/four of us, we'd blat through a 4 pot LPG install in a couple of days

I should think so... I did my V6 in 3 fairly easy days on my own

Mounted my tank frame, tank etc the other evening. All measured and fits nicely.

Need to rust proof, though

Lazydocker · « **Reply #23 on:** 15 February 2010, 14:42:23 »

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D'oh, your mappings with be for 6 pots of course

Cheers mate, may very well take you up on that. Got a spare inlet manifold thanks to KenT which i need to get the LPG injectors mounted on first

There's an expert at fitting nozzles on here... In fact, he's posted on this thread above your first post

Noted

I'd like to help as much as i can, Kevin Wood kindly offered to do them if i post them down, but i feel bad doing that. I want to try and do as much of it myself, Suffolk is a bit far for me

I meant Kevin... He doesn't mind, it gives him something to do while SWMBO is watching the soaps

I was offering to come over that way to help you out... You've got a garage

Blimey thats very kind of you, do you work standard weeks? I do 3 days on 3 days off and for the next couple of weeks i am on weekends, but got mid-weeks off.

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I've been looking at the mapping software for that new LPG controller and would be keen to play with one if anyone is tempted and about to convert. In addition to self-mapping it has much more flexibility for manual mapping.

I need to get my ass in gear and covert mine, all the required stuff is in the garage

Got half of March off (18th to 2nd April)

If your free then be good to get mine converted

You've not got a Stag 300 Premium/Plus controller though

I did say that I'm available at odd times, working 4-on/4-off... Just give me a shout and I'll see if I can help

Must warn you though... I'm a little partial to Bacon Sarnies and carry a little "Holiday weight"

All I need is somewhere to crash out for the night if I come over... I might even get SWMBO to make some brownies to keep our strength up

tunnie · « **Reply #24 on:** 15 February 2010, 14:43:02 »

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if we could get three/four of us, we'd blat through a 4 pot LPG install in a couple of days

I should think so... I did my V6 in 3 fairly easy days on my own

First week in March i have the weekend days free (6-8th)

As i mentioned all the kit is in the garage, ECU, looms, tank, tank frame, pipe work, everything....

Garage is now suitable to work in during the night, thanks to better lights & paint job.

If you guys come down, i can put you up in the local hotel:

http://www.thecrownhotelbrackley.co.uk/thecrownhotelres.html

Lazydocker · « **Reply #25 on:** 15 February 2010, 14:44:52 »

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if we could get three/four of us, we'd blat through a 4 pot LPG install in a couple of days

I should think so... I did my V6 in 3 fairly easy days on my own

First week in March i have the weekend days free (6-8th)

As i mentioned all the kit is in the garage, ECU, looms, tank, tank frame, pipe work, everything....

Garage is now suitable to work in during the night, thanks to better lights & paint job.

If you guys come down, i can put you up in the local hotel:

http://www.thecrownhotelbrackley.co.uk/thecrownhotelres.html

Blimey... That's generous!

I meant a bit of floor space

Pity I'm working weekends in March

My first day is tomorrow

TheBoy · « **Reply #26 on:** 15 February 2010, 14:45:22 »

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if we could get three/four of us, we'd blat through a 4 pot LPG install in a couple of days

I should think so... I did my V6 in 3 fairly easy days on my own

First week in March i have the weekend days free (6-8th)

As i mentioned all the kit is in the garage, ECU, looms, tank, tank frame, pipe work, everything....

Garage is now suitable to work in during the night, thanks to better lights & paint job.

If you guys come down, i can put you up in the local hotel:

http://www.thecrownhotelbrackley.co.uk/thecrownhotelres.html

LOL - if you want references to that particular establishment, ask Timbuk/Bo Bo/Elite Pete, all of who have stayed there

. And vowed never again.

Cheap beer though.

TheBoy · « **Reply #27 on:** 15 February 2010, 14:46:11 »

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if we could get three/four of us, we'd blat through a 4 pot LPG install in a couple of days

I should think so... I did my V6 in 3 fairly easy days on my own

First week in March i have the weekend days free (6-8th)

As i mentioned all the kit is in the garage, ECU, looms, tank, tank frame, pipe work, everything....

Garage is now suitable to work in during the night, thanks to better lights & paint job.

If you guys come down, i can put you up in the local hotel:

http://www.thecrownhotelbrackley.co.uk/thecrownhotelres.html

Blimey... That's generous! I meant a bit of floor space

You'd be better sleeping in Tunnie's garage than the Crown

JamesV6CDX · « **Reply #28 on:** 15 February 2010, 14:46:42 »

Is that where we went for a couple of pints, before getting soaked walking back to your place?

Lazydocker · « **Reply #29 on:** 15 February 2010, 14:46:42 »

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if we could get three/four of us, we'd blat through a 4 pot LPG install in a couple of days

I should think so... I did my V6 in 3 fairly easy days on my own

First week in March i have the weekend days free (6-8th)

As i mentioned all the kit is in the garage, ECU, looms, tank, tank frame, pipe work, everything....

Garage is now suitable to work in during the night, thanks to better lights & paint job.

If you guys come down, i can put you up in the local hotel:

http://www.thecrownhotelbrackley.co.uk/thecrownhotelres.html

LOL - if you want references to that particular establishment, ask Timbuk/Bo Bo/Elite Pete, all of who have stayed there . And vowed never again.

Cheap beer though.

Oh... Looks nice in the pictures though

tunnie · « **Reply #30 on:** 15 February 2010, 14:51:45 »

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Is that where we went for a couple of pints, before getting soaked walking back to your place?

Yes... bar is nice, but apparently the rooms are not so nice. :-/

Its a small cost really, when compared to having a 'proffesional' install, parts so far cost £500, so if i spend another £250 on food, beer, curry all around, and put you guys up, its still a cheap conversion, just take another week to reach break even

JamesV6CDX · « **Reply #31 on:** 15 February 2010, 14:53:24 »

That's a lot of food/beer/curry

tunnie · « **Reply #32 on:** 15 February 2010, 14:54:24 »

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That's a lot of food/beer/curry

£30 is for you me and Lazydocker, rest is to fund TB's gut

TheBoy · « **Reply #33 on:** 15 February 2010, 14:58:38 »

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Is that where we went for a couple of pints, before getting soaked walking back to your place?

Buggered if i can remember - I was in a mucking fuddle.

tunnie · « **Reply #34 on:** 15 February 2010, 15:00:05 »

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Is that where we went for a couple of pints, before getting soaked walking back to your place?
Buggered if i can remember - I was in a mucking fuddle.

Think it was Crown, or one of the pair at the bottom of Halse road (never remember their names)

JamesV6CDX · « **Reply #35 on:** 15 February 2010, 15:00:13 »

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Is that where we went for a couple of pints, before getting soaked walking back to your place?
Buggered if i can remember - I was in a mucking fuddle.

I could, kind of, walk in a straight line. I remember continuing the consumption at yours, along with playing the wii (while sitting in your tracksuit, if I recall.. )

TheBoy · « **Reply #36 on:** 15 February 2010, 15:00:39 »

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That's a lot of food/beer/curry

£30 is for you me and Lazydocker, rest is to fund TB's gut

Alas, my gut is larger than yours, Mr Tunnicliffe, as I do not have the ability (or the stomach) to ensure my beer and curry is not ingested like you do

TheBoy · « **Reply #37 on:** 15 February 2010, 15:01:58 »

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Is that where we went for a couple of pints, before getting soaked walking back to your place?
Buggered if i can remember - I was in a mucking fuddle.

Think it was Crown, or one of the pair at the bottom of Halse road (never remember their names)

Plough & Red Lion.

tunnie · « **Reply #38 on:** 15 February 2010, 15:02:23 »

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That's a lot of food/beer/curry

£30 is for you me and Lazydocker, rest is to fund TB's gut
Alas, my gut is larger than yours, Mr Tunnicliffe, as I do not have the ability (or the stomach) to ensure my beer and curry is not ingested like you do

Cider was a bad idea!

But offer stands if we can all find a date when everyone is off work, curry and hotel for those that need it

feeutfo · « **Reply #39 on:** 15 February 2010, 16:01:25 »

Did someone say curry?

tunnie · « **Reply #40 on:** 15 February 2010, 16:03:46 »

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Did someone say curry?

Just getting dates together with James & LD, once we have a time set, your welcome to pop down

Kevin Wood · « **Reply #41 on:** 15 February 2010, 16:04:18 »

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The new ECU isn't the Stag 300-Premium/Plus... It's his own design, manufactured in the UK, although he is expecting some Premium/Plus ECU's through soon.

Interesting..

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So... The tank is moulded around the wheel well? And under or just around?? If it runs under that may pretty much scupper the idea of cutting out the floor, although it will offer extra weather protection

Under and around the back and sides if memory serves...

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First week in March i have the weekend days free (6-8th)

Hmm. Think I'm tied up for that weekend, but would be happy to pop up if I'm around.

Kevin

Gaffers · « **Reply #42 on:** 15 February 2010, 16:21:39 »

I might be free that weekend, I would like to watch and help out if possible for when I finally get round to doing mine if it's not a bother?

I bring the bacon......

feeutfo · « **Reply #43 on:** 15 February 2010, 16:30:43 »

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Did someone say curry?

Just getting dates together with James & LD, once we have a time set, your welcome to pop down

happy to help, or keep out the way as aproptiate.

Ken T · « **Reply #44 on:** 15 February 2010, 16:49:24 »

Thats the thing, the only real "engineering " bit is drilling/tapping the manifold, which has to be fairly accurate. As you have my spare one it can be done in advance. The rest shoud be easy

Ken

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