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Title: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Migalot on 01 November 2023, 16:48:01
As per subject.

Radio is on, all preselected stations there, but no sound from the speakers. Neither volume control on radio or on steering wheel have any effect. I thought it might be a fuse, but looking through the handbook, I can see no mention of one for the speaker/amp circuit.

Help please! 
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: VXL V6 on 01 November 2023, 18:11:08
Does it have Bose?
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Migalot on 01 November 2023, 19:43:04
Does it have Bose?

No. Standard set-up.
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: TheBoy on 01 November 2023, 20:05:10
Which HU?
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Migalot on 01 November 2023, 21:08:23
Which HU?

CDR 2005
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Migalot on 01 November 2023, 21:18:59
Update:

SWBO (abroad as of this morning) drove the car last night and she said it started making a crackling noise, so she turned it off.  :-\
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Migalot on 02 November 2023, 15:50:30
Update 2

Got in the car for a trip to Hatfield and the radio worked for about 30 seconds before going quiet again. After my appointment in Hatfield, it was pi**ing down with rain, so got a bit soaked going back to the car park. Anyway, go it and started...and on comes the radio as if nothing had happened. Stayed on all the way for the half-hour return trip.

Got me thinking. Was it water ingress which dried out on the trip up (which wasn't too wet)? If it was, why did it come on when the rain got heavy? Where could the water get in to stop all speakers?

It's a mystery to me. ???
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: cam.in.head on 02 November 2023, 17:54:15
are we talking radio only no sound or other inputs too ?
if only radio dont they have an aerial amp or similar device up a windscreen pillar ? ( or somewhere ?)
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Migalot on 02 November 2023, 19:37:26
are we talking radio only no sound or other inputs too ?
if only radio dont they have an aerial amp or similar device up a windscreen pillar ? ( or somewhere ?)

I only have radio and CD. Haven't tried the latter, but will do when and of it stops raining!  ;)
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Migalot on 04 November 2023, 17:43:14
Radio worked fine on the way to the supermarket this afternoon. When I got back in...no radio. Decided to try a CD as VXL V6 suggested – no sound.
Started driving home and the radio suddenly came on for about a mile. Then the sound stopped again.

Beginning to think it must be a faulty speaker amp, which i presume is within the radio unit itself.

Anybody have any ideas/advice??   
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: ronnyd on 04 November 2023, 19:08:12
Have you checked the wiring behind the unit thoroughly?
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Migalot on 04 November 2023, 20:33:04
Have you checked the wiring behind the unit thoroughly?

No. I tried removing the radio last year when I replaced the aircon control panel. Wouldn't budge (though i was using Halfords remove tool, which i later discovered was cr*p).

Can't see how the wiring could have moved/been damaged, unless there's been water ingress.
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: cam.in.head on 05 November 2023, 13:50:26
ah well at least its not just radio related /areial.(which would have possibly been an easier fix ?)
sounds like the unit will have to be removed one way or the other .connections are worth checking obviously but cannot see that any bad connection on the back would allow the unit to still work but cut all 4 output channels.
unless anyone knows exactly where to look inside specifically it sounds like a bad internal solder joint or connection somewhere. i had a similar issue earlier this year with a different unit where everything was crisp and clear except the cassette output which was distorted. that took a lot of head scratching to sort. lots of joints were resoldered and various components swapped untill it was resolved.
one more silly question thou sorry probably not the fault but ....does your car have anything that splices into and cuts the audio for any reason such as a phone system or similar ?   wasnt some models fitted with a trafficmaster system ? how does that connect in ? ?
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Migalot on 05 November 2023, 15:46:08
ah well at least its not just radio related /areial.(which would have possibly been an easier fix ?)
sounds like the unit will have to be removed one way or the other .connections are worth checking obviously but cannot see that any bad connection on the back would allow the unit to still work but cut all 4 output channels.
unless anyone knows exactly where to look inside specifically it sounds like a bad internal solder joint or connection somewhere. i had a similar issue earlier this year with a different unit where everything was crisp and clear except the cassette output which was distorted. that took a lot of head scratching to sort. lots of joints were resoldered and various components swapped untill it was resolved.
one more silly question thou sorry probably not the fault but ....does your car have anything that splices into and cuts the audio for any reason such as a phone system or similar ?   wasnt some models fitted with a trafficmaster system ? how does that connect in ? ?

Yes, I'm in agreement with your diagnosis. Think it likely that it is a faulty joint inside the unit. I've ordered a new set of removal pins, specifically for the CDR 2005, so hopefully I'll be able to remove it. Frankly, I'm useless at soldering, so looking to get a secondhand unit or, conceivably, a new touch-screen unit. :-\

In answer to your second question, no i don't have anything that splices into the audio.
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 05 November 2023, 16:07:02
The CDR2005 was a terrible unit. I would take the opportunity to replace it (and the old speakers) with something better / more modern.
Wont cost the earth and will make a big difference.
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Migalot on 05 November 2023, 16:25:24
The CDR2005 was a terrible unit. I would take the opportunity to replace it (and the old speakers) with something better / more modern.
Wont cost the earth and will make a big difference.

Thanks Albs. Problem is, I don't know where to start. Any suggestions for a replacement head unit?
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: TheBoy on 05 November 2023, 18:09:36
9 times out of 10 with all the later Omega Has is its the amp chip that fails.  Not worth replacing, just replace the entire HU with either another (crap) 2005 or a (better, but many now have shagged lasers) CCR2006.

Either are plug and play with each other, but you do need the security code from the donor HU as you may be prompted to enter it...
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Migalot on 05 November 2023, 20:12:19
Yes, I think a replacement is in order. :y

Oddly enough. I picked up SWMBO from the station a while ago. She put her bags on the back seat and slammed the door shut, upon which I got a loud blast of sound from the speakers (I'd left the volume knob high), so could be a connection somewhere.

Would be like looking for a needle in a haystack, methinks. :(
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 05 November 2023, 20:52:03
The CDR2005 was a terrible unit. I would take the opportunity to replace it (and the old speakers) with something better / more modern.
Wont cost the earth and will make a big difference.

Thanks Albs. Problem is, I don't know where to start. Any suggestions for a replacement head unit?

Um, tbh, no. I know very little about them, but my ears know if it sounds good.  ;D
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: TheBoy on 06 November 2023, 09:57:00
Yes, I think a replacement is in order. :y

Oddly enough. I picked up SWMBO from the station a while ago. She put her bags on the back seat and slammed the door shut, upon which I got a loud blast of sound from the speakers (I'd left the volume knob high), so could be a connection somewhere.

Would be like looking for a needle in a haystack, methinks. :(
If it was wiring, that would only impact 1 speaker, as its non Bose.  Could be dry joints on the board I suppose.
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: cam.in.head on 06 November 2023, 10:40:33
it does sound that way doesnt it.
if its the chip itself or even just a bad solder joint its worth opening the unit up and spending an evening in it ( if you can or want to !. i know i would but not everybody does !)
depending also on  your soldering skills or determination i would at least price up a replacement chip to try.
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: TheBoy on 06 November 2023, 15:25:18
it does sound that way doesnt it.
if its the chip itself or even just a bad solder joint its worth opening the unit up and spending an evening in it ( if you can or want to !. i know i would but not everybody does !)
depending also on  your soldering skills or determination i would at least price up a replacement chip to try.
But its a CDR2005, so not worth spending more than 30s on ;D. They always sounded awful.
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: dave the builder on 06 November 2023, 16:26:57
How much longer will there be AM & FM signals anyway  :-\
You may as well rip out the wax disc radio gram and stick in something modern
I did when I got my Omega
touch screen with micro SD memory card for MP3s and a "bucket avoidance" rear camera for reversing  :P
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: TheBoy on 06 November 2023, 16:55:33
How much longer will there be AM & FM signals anyway  :-\
I'm absolutely certain that Aunty Mary and Funny Mode will outlive any Omega on the road....
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: dave the builder on 06 November 2023, 17:32:34
How much longer will there be AM & FM signals anyway  :-\
I'm absolutely certain that Aunty Mary and Funny Mode will outlive any Omega on the road....
what about the ones parked on a drive  :P
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 06 November 2023, 19:15:30
Whatever you buy make sure its DAB radio. It made the old radio we used to listen to redundant several years ago, but many people havent realised yet.  :y
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Migalot on 06 November 2023, 19:37:12
Looking at this...

https://www.dynamicsounds.co.uk/kenwood-dmx5020dabs-6-8-double-din-dab-radio-bluetooth-android-auto-carplay.html (https://www.dynamicsounds.co.uk/kenwood-dmx5020dabs-6-8-double-din-dab-radio-bluetooth-android-auto-carplay.html)
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: dave the builder on 06 November 2023, 20:36:26
You could do it cheaper
facia £10 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/280819076248) + 2DIN Bluetooth 7 Inch Touch Screen £23 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/355022182820)
add a loom adaptor and rear view camera and you can use screen mirroring from your phone

I have similar fitted to my 53 plate CDX
still working after 5 years of daily use ,for all the naysayers  >:D
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 06 November 2023, 20:47:45
How much longer will there be AM & FM signals anyway  :-\
You may as well rip out the wax disc radio gram and stick in something modern
I did when I got my Omega
touch screen with micro SD memory card for MP3s and a "bucket avoidance" rear camera for reversing  :P


Out of interest what did you fit and did it work with the steering wheel controls.
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Migalot on 06 November 2023, 21:50:50
You could do it cheaper
facia £10 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/280819076248) + 2DIN Bluetooth 7 Inch Touch Screen £23 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/355022182820)
add a loom adaptor and rear view camera and you can use screen mirroring from your phone

I have similar fitted to my 53 plate CDX
still working after 5 years of daily use ,for all the naysayers  >:D

Seems ridiculously cheap!!  :o :o

Was it easy to fit (for a bonehead like me)?
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: dave the builder on 06 November 2023, 22:40:55
You could do it cheaper
facia £10 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/280819076248) + 2DIN Bluetooth 7 Inch Touch Screen £23 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/355022182820)
add a loom adaptor and rear view camera and you can use screen mirroring from your phone

I have similar fitted to my 53 plate CDX
still working after 5 years of daily use ,for all the naysayers  >:D


Seems ridiculously cheap!!  :o :o

Was it easy to fit (for a bonehead like me)?
I paid a lot more when I got mine ,but that was 5+ years ago, tech goes down in price .
radio is simple to fit with a loom adaptor
rear view camera needs a connection to the rear cluster (so when reverse is selected the camera comes on ) but that is true of most cameras .
I used a wired connection to the rear camera , not wireless, so needed to run a wire from the head unit to the camera ,which i mounted under the rear reg plate (black dot under reg in pic)  (https://i.imgur.com/SNWWjcWh.jpg)


not hard to do
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Migalot on 06 November 2023, 22:47:46
Thanks Dave. I'll certainly give it some thought.  :y :y

The only downside is buying cheap Chinese, when I would prefer to buy nearer to home  ;) (plus, as Albs points out, DAB radio is probably desirable).

PS. Your car looks great!  :y
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: dave the builder on 06 November 2023, 22:55:11


Out of interest what did you fit and did it work with the steering wheel controls.
as per my previous post  ::)

You could do it cheaper
facia £10 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/280819076248) + 2DIN Bluetooth 7 Inch Touch Screen £23 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/355022182820)
add a loom adaptor and rear view camera and you can use screen mirroring from your phone

I have similar fitted to my 53 plate CDX
still working after 5 years of daily use ,for all the naysayers  >:D


you can set them up to work with the steering controls with the correct loom adaptor ,
I didn't bother ,nor do i bother with the included remote control  ::)

Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: dave the builder on 06 November 2023, 22:59:19
Thanks Dave. I'll certainly give it some thought.  :y :y

The only downside is buying cheap Chinese, when I would prefer to buy nearer to home  ;) (plus, as Albs points out, DAB radio is probably desirable).

PS. Your car looks great!  :y

have a good shop around  ;)
most after market options will require the £10 facia surround  ;)
I can't seem to find a pic of the head unit in my Omega  :(
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 06 November 2023, 23:25:46
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/325875476861

http://www.tanbycaraudio.co.uk/sony-xa-r800c-colour-reverse-camera.html

Have had both and happy with them.
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Migalot on 07 November 2023, 12:22:38
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/325875476861

http://www.tanbycaraudio.co.uk/sony-xa-r800c-colour-reverse-camera.html

Have had both and happy with them.

 :y
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Migalot on 29 November 2023, 15:57:56
FFS >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Had a new Kenwood unit professionally fitted and it worked a treat. Android auto play, hands-free, the works.

I say "worked", because today whilst driving, the sound went. No radio, no YT streaming music (thought counter was showing it as playing).

It MUST be something to do with the car, but what???

Totally fed-up now. 
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: cam.in.head on 29 November 2023, 17:11:12
take it back to them and get them to check their work.
but
cannot see any chance all 4 speakers would fail so are you 100% sure there is nothing in the speaker line that cuts them such as a phone system or something ? ? as i mentioned before ? anything that would mute all 4 speakers plus the tweeters ?   
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Migalot on 29 November 2023, 17:27:04
take it back to them and get them to check their work.
but
cannot see any chance all 4 speakers would fail so are you 100% sure there is nothing in the speaker line that cuts them such as a phone system or something ? ? as i mentioned before ? anything that would mute all 4 speakers plus the tweeters ?

No, nothing.

I don't have a Bose system, but does the OEM unit have a regular amp somewhere?
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 29 November 2023, 17:37:26
Nope unless it's suffered previous buggery
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: dave the builder on 29 November 2023, 17:47:08
 It is possible that one of the door shut looms has broken wires ,if these get shorted intermittently  :o it can cause all sorts of issues
more of a problem on true canbus wiring ,but possible on an Omega too  :-\

not saying that's the case here ,just a possibility  ;) 
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Migalot on 29 November 2023, 17:58:00
It is possible that one of the door shut looms has broken wires ,if these get shorted intermittently  :o it can cause all sorts of issues
more of a problem on true canbus wiring ,but possible on an Omega too  :-\

not saying that's the case here ,just a possibility  ;)

How can I check, short of taking the doors off, that is?
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: dave the builder on 29 November 2023, 18:31:25
It is possible that one of the door shut looms has broken wires ,if these get shorted intermittently  :o it can cause all sorts of issues
more of a problem on true canbus wiring ,but possible on an Omega too  :-\

not saying that's the case here ,just a possibility  ;)

How can I check, short of taking the doors off, that is?
test the speaker wiring at the radio with a muti- meter for resistance for anything obvious plus see if it alters when a "helper" opens and shuts the doors ,
being an intermittent fault , not easy  :(
but ,,,
a speaker loom short would stop the omega's wax disk player & radio grams amp  :P
or even a new head units amp

as I said "not saying that's the case here ,just a possibility"

Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: cam.in.head on 30 November 2023, 11:08:25
yes i would say thats the next step . if its inteemittent its harder but if it now has no sound permanently then remove the radio and get a multimeter on the speaker connector. due to the wire lengths and front tweeters coupled to the front door speajers you may not get a perfect identical resistance from all 4 circuits but an open or shortshould be obvious. (or ask installer to check ? )
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 30 November 2023, 11:34:42
You haven't inadvertently pressed mute? It's probably a stupid question but new to you gadgets might have quirks and features that take some getting used to ;)
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Migalot on 30 November 2023, 16:29:43
You haven't inadvertently pressed mute? It's probably a stupid question but new to you gadgets might have quirks and features that take some getting used to ;)
!

That was the first thing that SWMBO checked (I was collecting her when the sound went). I need to spend some time in the car (not driving!) to play around. The installer is away for a few days but has offered to take a look later next week.

Ho hum! Isn't technology a wonderful thing?  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: ronnyd on 30 November 2023, 16:47:32
You haven't inadvertently pressed mute? It's probably a stupid question but new to you gadgets might have quirks and features that take some getting used to ;)
!

That was the first thing that SWMBO checked (I was collecting her when the sound went). I need to spend some time in the car (not driving!) to play around. The installer is away for a few days but has offered to take a look later next week.

Ho hum! Isn't technology a wonderful thing?  ::) ::)
No!  >:(  ;D
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: cam.in.head on 30 November 2023, 17:47:35
thats why i always try  to fix the original oem radios. in most cars aftermarket ones (although probably technically better / not always have more features if you want that sort of thing,some not nescessarry realy) sometimes just dont look right in an older car and i think this applies in the omega too. the original unit was perfectly capable and matched the dash perfectly.
my opinion only of course !
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 30 November 2023, 18:37:10
It's a simple thing to rule out, as would making sure the plugs behind the head unit, including any adapters, are securely clipped together ;)
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Migalot on 30 November 2023, 19:39:12
It's a simple thing to rule out, as would making sure the plugs behind the head unit, including any adapters, are securely clipped together ;)

Yes, I need to take the unit out and check. Never taken one out before, but looking at the manual, it seems straightforward. Maybe a job for this weekend. ;)
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 30 November 2023, 21:16:08
Depends how well it's been installed. Should have installation instructions with it.

On the Omega, the dash filler panel will probably fall off, and then you can access the screws in the top corners and clips behind the ashtray (itself secured by a single central screw accessed by holding down the spring flap), and the climate panel and trim will simply lift away.

To completely remove the trim, you need to unplug the climate panel and remove the switches before you can unclip the plugs from the back of the trim (slide into a clipped location... Self explanatory with it Infront of you) and

Then it's 4/6 screws to lift out the radio cage. And you might want to move the selector to 1 to improve access.

That took longer to type than do.
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Migalot on 30 November 2023, 21:44:36
Depends how well it's been installed. Should have installation instructions with it.

On the Omega, the dash filler panel will probably fall off, and then you can access the screws in the top corners and clips behind the ashtray (itself secured by a single central screw accessed by holding down the spring flap), and the climate panel and trim will simply lift away.

To completely remove the trim, you need to unplug the climate panel and remove the switches before you can unclip the plugs from the back of the trim (slide into a clipped location... Self explanatory with it Infront of you) and

Then it's 4/6 screws to lift out the radio cage. And you might want to move the selector to 1 to improve access.

That took longer to type than do.

 ;D ;D Cheers, Doc!
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Migalot on 01 December 2023, 16:40:43
FFS!

Following on from the Doc's recommendation, I was in the car earlier and, thinking about my task of removing the unit, I casually opened the ashtray...

It only opens halfway, with the result that I cannot remove the tray or the ciggie lighter.

That fitter (who's away until next week) has some questions to answer... >:( >:(
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 01 December 2023, 17:26:46
Actually he doesn't.

It's a design flaw of the aftermarket facia plate.

Push the ashtray part way closed and using a card, carefully slide it between the sprung ashtray plate and the facia panel.

Ash tray should open freely and continue as above.

When you refit it a strip of black gaffer tape to bridge the gap between the facia plate and the bottom of the radio cage will see the issue permanently and invisibly resolved.
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Migalot on 01 December 2023, 19:03:22
Actually he doesn't.

It's a design flaw of the aftermarket facia plate.

Push the ashtray part way closed and using a card, carefully slide it between the sprung ashtray plate and the facia panel.

Ash tray should open freely and continue as above.

When you refit it a strip of black gaffer tape to bridge the gap between the facia plate and the bottom of the radio cage will see the issue permanently and invisibly resolved.

Aha!  :o

Cheers, mate!  :y :y
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Migalot on 06 December 2023, 14:44:32
It is possible that one of the door shut looms has broken wires ,if these get shorted intermittently  :o it can cause all sorts of issues
more of a problem on true canbus wiring ,but possible on an Omega too  :-\

not saying that's the case here ,just a possibility  ;)


Success (partial at the moment!). As we now have a dry day, I have been out to the car to have a play around. Lo and behold, when I twiddled the loom which runs into the NSR door, on came the sound!  :y :)

Will need to pick a good time to thoroughly investigate, but at least I know where the problem is! Thanks to Dave for the pointer!  :y :y
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Migalot on 06 December 2023, 16:30:08
Sound gone again.

Have ordered a new back door loom for £20.

Can anyone post or point a link to, a guide to fitting same?

TIA 
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 06 December 2023, 16:32:51
Remove the door card. Unplug and remove old loom. Refit new loom. Refit door card.

In a nutshell
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 06 December 2023, 16:47:06
More specifically...

Screw behind ashtray. Remove ashtray housing. Screw behind ashtray/door handle trim. Remove rubber bung in door pull and hidden screw behind. Two screws in front edge of the door, three in bottom edge and two? on back edge. Pull trim clips out with the door card and lift off the window sweep (probably the easiest bit to break).

Loom plugs into the B post. Pull the boot and the plug is accessible through the hole.

Actual task of swapping loom might be easier on a flat surface. Door is easily liberated from the body with the front door open.
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: dave the builder on 06 December 2023, 17:31:21
I've noticed the N/S/R door loom to be a problem (windows, speakers etc) on all 4 Carlton's I had plus other Vauxhalls

Have you ordered the door loom that goes inside the door   ???
surely it's the loom that cones out of the B pillar that's the issue (that plugs into the door ) by the hinge  :-\

that's if it's the same as the front setup

Astra has replacement repair loom sections for this issue , not sure about Omega B
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 06 December 2023, 17:41:17
I've noticed the N/S/R door loom to be a problem (windows, speakers etc) on all 4 Carlton's I had plus other Vauxhalls

Have you ordered the door loom that goes inside the door   ???
surely it's the loom that cones out of the B pillar that's the issue (that plugs into the door ) by the hinge  :-\

that's if it's the same as the front setup

Astra has replacement repair loom sections for this issue , not sure about Omega B
The rear door plug is in the B post ;)
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: dave the builder on 06 December 2023, 17:45:30
I've noticed the N/S/R door loom to be a problem (windows, speakers etc) on all 4 Carlton's I had plus other Vauxhalls

Have you ordered the door loom that goes inside the door   ???
surely it's the loom that cones out of the B pillar that's the issue (that plugs into the door ) by the hinge  :-\

that's if it's the same as the front setup

Astra has replacement repair loom sections for this issue , not sure about Omega B
The rear door plug is in the B post ;)
Ah  :-[
Thanks Al
I never sit in the cheap seats in the back ,so didn't know  :P
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Migalot on 06 December 2023, 18:09:47
Thanks lads!

May have roped in an OOF member to help out!  :y ;)
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Kevin Wood on 07 December 2023, 07:43:39
Whatever you buy make sure its DAB radio. It made the old radio we used to listen to redundant several years ago, but many people havent realised yet.  :y

My Jag has DAB. I tried it for one commute, decided it was utter sh1te and went back to FM.
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: TheBoy on 07 December 2023, 13:44:17
Whatever you buy make sure its DAB radio. It made the old radio we used to listen to redundant several years ago, but many people havent realised yet.  :y

My Jag has DAB. I tried it for one commute, decided it was utter sh1te and went back to FM.
I'm sure its fine for the BBC ensemble, and I'm sure the polishing brigade don't believe there are options beyond BBC R4. That even works on mine, despite 3 bloody great cracks across the rear screen.

Funny Mode isn't too bad on mine, despite the shagged screen, but in these parts its BBC or Heart.  Sadly, mine lacks the option of Aunty Mary :(

Needless to say, mines either on iPod or switched off ;D
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 07 December 2023, 14:39:54
Whatever you buy make sure its DAB radio. It made the old radio we used to listen to redundant several years ago, but many people havent realised yet.  :y

My Jag has DAB. I tried it for one commute, decided it was utter sh1te and went back to FM.

Absolute classic rock. Planet rock. something or other classic 70,s.....etc. I find it pretty good.
There is even a Gaydio station for those of that persuasion. I think theres something for everyone on there.
Oh and theres GB News live.  :D
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: STEMO on 07 December 2023, 14:51:14
DAB is fine on my Astra, but the only time I have the radio on is while I'm waiting for the missus to run into the shops. Not very often  :)
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: TheBoy on 07 December 2023, 15:14:26
Absolute classic rock. Planet rock.
Good luck getting those in these parts.  Planet Rock does hog a (virtual) button on my DAB memory, but pointless until I get near the M40

There is even a Gaydio station for those of that persuasion. I think theres something for everyone on there.
That definitely hasn't reached these parts. Try again in about 30 years....
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 07 December 2023, 16:36:46
Funnily enough I ventured well into Suffolk today and struggled to get a signal on most of the normal stations.
Im in a tiny village on the Essex / Suffolk border, so surprised there is a decent signal here.
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Kevin Wood on 07 December 2023, 18:30:25
Whatever you buy make sure its DAB radio. It made the old radio we used to listen to redundant several years ago, but many people havent realised yet.  :y

My Jag has DAB. I tried it for one commute, decided it was utter sh1te and went back to FM.

Absolute classic rock. Planet rock. something or other classic 70,s.....etc. I find it pretty good.
There is even a Gaydio station for those of that persuasion. I think theres something for everyone on there.
Oh and theres GB News live.  :D

Nothing wrong with the channels, it's the reception. Even Radio 4 doesn't make it more than a couple of miles into my commute, but FM is solid all the way.
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: cam.in.head on 08 December 2023, 17:35:58
we had an old basic car radio sat on the shelf in our workshop  for years. never an issue.always worked fine .
lads decided it was time to go dab so brought in one.
takes ages to lock on to a station. sounds like a dalek most of the time !
same as digital tv reception. anywhere with less than perfect signal strength you get breaking up and blocking . old analogue always worked fine .
technogy advances are not always better and not always done for any other reason than getting one up on other manufacturers.
for example (and one of my major issues )with all this is.......
they make computers/ phones etc etc that can do virtually everything nowadays,advances in technology as far as you can imaging BUT why not actuall get the basics working right first. calls that dont connect,calls that break up,video calls etc that break up,freeze ,
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Migalot on 09 December 2023, 13:54:36
On the verge of giving up entirely.  >:( >:(

I took the door card off yesterday (without damaging anything!) with the intention of checking the loom today. After taking the card off, I turned on the ignition and the speakers came on. Great, I thought, must have jiggled something. Then I discovered that, with that speaker disconnected, all the rest work. In addition, SWMBO just told me that she moved the car yesterday a bit to allow builders to park outside the next door neighbour's house - before I had even taken the door card off - and the radio came on full blast for the first time in a week!

That means, logically, that the existing loom is OK and the fault must lie elsewhere.

It's wet and windy and I'm thoroughly pee'd off with it. Just going to clear up and put the door card back. I've officially got the hump with the bloody car. >:( >:( 
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: STEMO on 09 December 2023, 14:18:12
On the verge of giving up entirely.  >:( >:(

I took the door card off yesterday (without damaging anything!) with the intention of checking the loom today. After taking the card off, I turned on the ignition and the speakers came on. Great, I thought, must have jiggled something. Then I discovered that, with that speaker disconnected, all the rest work. In addition, SWMBO just told me that she moved the car yesterday a bit to allow builders to park outside the next door neighbour's house - before I had even taken the door card off - and the radio came on full blast for the first time in a week!

That means, logically, that the existing loom is OK and the fault must lie elsewhere.

It's wet and windy and I'm thoroughly pee'd off with it. Just going to clear up and put the door card back. I've officially got the hump with the bloody car. >:( >:(
The existing loom has probably got a break somewhere which is intermittently touching together.
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Migalot on 09 December 2023, 21:54:35
The existing loom has probably got a break somewhere which is intermittently touching together.

I have thought about that, but I can't see how that would affect all the speakers. However, today has shown that with one speaker out, the others still work. Furthermore, I have now discovered that my new Kenwood unit will display an error message if it detects a speaker fault. I mean it MAY be that, but frankly given the weather (working at the roadside), the shorter daylight hours, the amount of time it would take to remove the door card (again), remove the membrane, replace the loom and re-assemble – well, I'm not sure I can be ars*d.

I'm willing to pay to get someone to fix it, but finding a willing tradesperson ain't easy these days. The guy who installed the new unit is not responding to texts or phone calls.

Ho, hum.  :(
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: TheBoy on 10 December 2023, 17:53:55
Depends if it's a break or a short. If a short, I'd hope the amp, even a cheap nasty chinky android unit, would detect and shut down the amp to protect itself.
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Migalot on 18 December 2023, 14:18:35
Had an auto-electrican swap the rear door loom and all is well again!  :y :y

There was no visible break in the speaker wire, but when he put the circuit tester between the plug pin and cable end, then jiggled the rubber sleeve about, the signal was very intermittent.

Anyway job done. Thanks to all for the help and suggestions. :y
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 18 December 2023, 15:19:37
That was arguably a waste of money unless you have to pay someone to change bulbs and wiper blades.

But at least it works
 :y
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Migalot on 18 December 2023, 16:01:32
That was arguably a waste of money unless you have to pay someone to change bulbs and wiper blades.

But at least it works
 :y

Not really. Given the weather, it was worth every penny.

Had it been in the middle of July, I would have done it myself.
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 18 December 2023, 16:05:46
That was arguably a waste of money unless you have to pay someone to change bulbs and wiper blades.

But at least it works
 :y

Not really. Given the weather, it was worth every penny.

Had it been in the middle of July, I would have done it myself.
I'd have waited.  ;D
Title: Re: Radio on, no sound
Post by: dave the builder on 18 December 2023, 17:04:06
That was arguably a waste of money unless you have to pay someone to change bulbs and wiper blades.

But at least it works
 :y

Not really. Given the weather, it was worth every penny.

Had it been in the middle of July, I would have done it myself.
I'd have waited.  ;D
He wouldn't be able to listen to all the wonderful Christmas songs on EVERY station  :-X