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Title: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Andy B on 15 February 2019, 20:54:12
Time to replace my R320 soon. Replacement needs to be big enough to tow a 1850kg max caravan, I want a 'proper' torque converter auto. Big heavy stuff is becoming a dinosaur these days so the choice is getting limited. I'd like a Jaguar like Lord Opti but my wallet doesn't stretch that far.  ;)

I test drove a 16 plate Jeep Grand Cherokee today. Didn't seem too bad but the touch screen that seems to do everything kinda puts me off .... why can't there be a switch for the ???? instead of scrolling through various menus & sub menus? The FIAT bit puts me off too  :-\

I've a test drive booked next week in a 14 plate ML350 that surprisingly has quite a few bells & whistles.

Head or tails?  :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 15 February 2019, 21:00:47
Down in these parts many large caravans are towed around on the rear of Ford Transits, or equivilant trucks, from many a lovely field to another lovely field. :D :D ;)
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: 2boxerdogs on 15 February 2019, 21:02:25
Don't think you can go wrong with an ML 350 lovely vehicle.
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Andy B on 15 February 2019, 21:46:11
Down in these parts many large caravans are towed around on the rear of Ford Transits, or equivilant trucks, from many a lovely field to another lovely field. :D :D ;)

and I thought you were above comments like that Lizzie .....  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Andy B on 15 February 2019, 21:48:07
Don't think you can go wrong with an ML 350 lovely vehicle.

Which is the same running gear as mine ......

Another problem I'm having is in my head, the car's I'm looking at are similar cost to my first house!  ??? ???
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 15 February 2019, 21:57:26
Keep the R class or buy a newer one :-\
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Andy B on 15 February 2019, 22:10:34
Keep the R class or buy a newer one :-\

The newest R Class is 2012 and I think this car is going to cost in the future .....  :-\ I've had it 7 yrs. I think I'm due another car.  ;)
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 15 February 2019, 22:59:31
Have a search for the Jeep Grand Cherokee's 'Moose test'  ;)
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Andy B on 15 February 2019, 23:19:20
Have a search for the Jeep Grand Cherokee's 'Moose test'  ;)

Will do ..... it's gotta be better than the original A Class .....  ???
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Andy B on 15 February 2019, 23:26:08
Have a search for the Jeep Grand Cherokee's 'Moose test'  ;)

Will do ..... it's gotta be better than the original A Class .....  ???

I wonder what suspension it had  :-\ Steel  springs or airbags  :-\ :-\
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: henryd on 15 February 2019, 23:32:48
Try a Touareg Andy,best tower I've ever had by a country mile :y
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Andy B on 15 February 2019, 23:36:45
Try a Touareg Andy,best tower I've ever had by a country mile :y

Not a torque converter though .....  :-\
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 15 February 2019, 23:58:06
Try a Vauxhall Omega. Some of them are quite nice.  :y  :D
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 16 February 2019, 00:09:09
Keep the R class or buy a newer one :-\

The newest R Class is 2012 and I think this car is going to cost in the future .....  :-\ I've had it 7 yrs. I think I'm due another car.  ;)
Previous E Class... Good for 2,100kgs ;)
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Andy H on 16 February 2019, 07:03:05
Try a Vauxhall Omega. Some of them are quite nice.  :y  :D
Still trying to sell MrRog's MV6 estate here
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Viral_Jim on 16 February 2019, 07:15:56
Try a Touareg Andy,best tower I've ever had by a country mile :y

Not a torque converter though .....  :-\

Are you sure? I thought they had the Asin Warner 8 speed jobbie rather than dsg
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: STEMO on 16 February 2019, 07:39:56
If the Touareg has a proper slushbox, that would be my choice. Stood next to one yesterday and the are fickin huge (but, maybe, not as huge as your current merc  :-\)
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Andy B on 16 February 2019, 09:04:27
Keep the R class or buy a newer one :-\

The newest R Class is 2012 and I think this car is going to cost in the future .....  :-\ I've had it 7 yrs. I think I'm due another car.  ;)
Previous E Class... Good for 2,100kgs ;)

But doesn't weigh much different from an Omega
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Andy B on 16 February 2019, 09:06:38
Try a Touareg Andy,best tower I've ever had by a country mile :y

Not a torque converter though .....  :-\

Are you sure? I thought they had the Asin Warner 8 speed jobbie rather than dsg

They are according to one of the mechs I collared at the local VW dealers.  A mates V10 is apparently a torque converter   :-\
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Andy B on 16 February 2019, 09:08:18
Try a Vauxhall Omega. Some of them are quite nice.  :y  :D

Err? I'll give them a miss  ;D
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Andy B on 16 February 2019, 09:10:30
Try a Vauxhall Omega. Some of them are quite nice.  :y  :D
Still trying to sell MrRog's MV6 estate here

 ;)
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 16 February 2019, 09:11:50
If the Touareg has a proper slushbox, that would be my choice. Stood next to one yesterday and the are fickin huge (but, maybe, not as huge as your current merc  :-\)

My mate had a Towrag and it was a cracking car!  :y

After that he had an Audi Q8 which I think is built on the same platform and that was a great car as well.  :)
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: tunnie on 16 February 2019, 10:16:57
Keep the R class or buy a newer one :-\

The newest R Class is 2012 and I think this car is going to cost in the future .....  :-\ I've had it 7 yrs. I think I'm due another car.  ;)
Previous E Class... Good for 2,100kgs ;)

But doesn't weigh much different from an Omega

E-Class also very uncomfortable, poor infotainment setup and not very economical.

I ran one for a month, 2014 E220 Estate, AMG trim. I looked forward to getting my 3.2 back!
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 16 February 2019, 10:25:36
Keep the R class or buy a newer one :-\

The newest R Class is 2012 and I think this car is going to cost in the future .....  :-\ I've had it 7 yrs. I think I'm due another car.  ;)
Previous E Class... Good for 2,100kgs ;)

But doesn't weigh much different from an Omega

E-Class also very uncomfortable, poor infotainment setup and not very economical.
All subjective... The only issue I personally had driving my EClass was that the front seats weren't fully electric... Memory seats with the orthopedic option are as comfortable as anyone could ever want. Also the E350 is the same engine as Andy already has, so he knows it's capabilities ;)
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Andy B on 16 February 2019, 11:26:48
Keep the R class or buy a newer one :-\

The newest R Class is 2012 and I think this car is going to cost in the future .....  :-\ I've had it 7 yrs. I think I'm due another car.  ;)
Previous E Class... Good for 2,100kgs ;)

But doesn't weigh much different from an Omega

E-Class also very uncomfortable, poor infotainment setup and not very economical.
All subjective... The only issue I personally had driving my EClass was that the front seats weren't fully electric... Memory seats with the orthopedic option are as comfortable as anyone could ever want. Also the E350 is the same engine as Andy already has, so he knows it's capabilities ;)

The ML350 I'm looking at next week has memory seats including steering column. Apparently interior is manual  .....
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: johnnydog on 16 February 2019, 13:15:12
I've had a Hyundai Santa Fe Premium SE auto (manuals are available too) 2012 - 2018 shape, and a brilliant vehicle. Exceptionally comfy, and a great towing vehicle. A 2.2 diesel (later ones from 2015 are Euro V1 engines), 5 year / 100k warranty too. Never any quibbles from Hyundai about any warranty issues either.
Premium SE has loads of toys, including self levelling suspension which isnt phased with a heavy trailer.
Depends if you want an SUV or saloon car. Only in a 2.2 diesel, but loads of torque. Reviews praise their towing capabilities.
I couldn't fault it.
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Andy B on 16 February 2019, 14:08:10
I've had a Hyundai Santa Fe Premium SE auto (manuals are available too) 2012 - 2018 shape, and a brilliant vehicle. ....

I did look at them & the Kia. They are a nice vehicle


What's a manual?  :-\ :-\  ;)
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: henryd on 16 February 2019, 23:28:22
Try a Touareg Andy,best tower I've ever had by a country mile :y

Not a torque converter though .....  :-\

Mine is
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: johnnydog on 16 February 2019, 23:30:13

What's a manual?  :-\ :-\  ;)
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Is it not that book in the glovebox? ;D :D ;D
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: henryd on 16 February 2019, 23:35:09
I'm pretty sure all Touaregs are conventional tip tonic autos with torque co converters,latest being 8 speed
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Andy B on 17 February 2019, 10:32:12
Try a Touareg Andy,best tower I've ever had by a country mile :y

Not a torque converter though .....  :-\

Mine is

You're confusing me then. Everything I've read up on Touregs is that they're DSG   :-\
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: STEMO on 17 February 2019, 11:13:08
They can certainly tow:

https://youtu.be/WmM-635RR6o
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: STEMO on 17 February 2019, 11:21:10
https://www.carbuyer.co.uk/news/159675/watchdog-auto-problem-on-vw-touareg-cant-be-fixed
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: STEMO on 17 February 2019, 11:22:19
https://www.ebay.co.uk/p/Torque-Converter-All-Gearbox-Transmissions-VW-Touareg-AUDI-Q7-Porsche-Cayenne/650874000
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 17 February 2019, 11:29:16
They can certainly tow:

https://youtu.be/WmM-635RR6o

Didn't the big Icelandic chappie, the one who won 'World's Strongest Man' contest, pull a 747.......or was it just a bus?
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 17 February 2019, 11:35:33
Time to replace my R320 soon. Replacement needs to be big enough to tow a 1850kg max caravan, I want a 'proper' torque converter auto. Big heavy stuff is becoming a dinosaur these days so the choice is getting limited. I'd like a Jaguar like Lord Opti but my wallet doesn't stretch that far.  ;)

I test drove a 16 plate Jeep Grand Cherokee today. Didn't seem too bad but the touch screen that seems to do everything kinda puts me off .... why can't there be a switch for the ???? instead of scrolling through various menus & sub menus? The FIAT bit puts me off too  :-\

I've a test drive booked next week in a 14 plate ML350 that surprisingly has quite a few bells & whistles.

Head or tails?  :-\ :-\ :-\

My Tata XFR has a a torque converter 8 speed ZF auto which is silky smooth and changes gear extremely quickly. It has 500 lb ft torque  so would probably make a reasonable tow car.

Only ever seen derv XF's pulling a tin tent though. 
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: STEMO on 17 February 2019, 11:48:49
Time to replace my R320 soon. Replacement needs to be big enough to tow a 1850kg max caravan, I want a 'proper' torque converter auto. Big heavy stuff is becoming a dinosaur these days so the choice is getting limited. I'd like a Jaguar like Lord Opti but my wallet doesn't stretch that far.  ;)

I test drove a 16 plate Jeep Grand Cherokee today. Didn't seem too bad but the touch screen that seems to do everything kinda puts me off .... why can't there be a switch for the ???? instead of scrolling through various menus & sub menus? The FIAT bit puts me off too  :-\

I've a test drive booked next week in a 14 plate ML350 that surprisingly has quite a few bells & whistles.

Head or tails?  :-\ :-\ :-\

My Tata XFR has a a torque converter 8 speed ZF auto which is silky smooth and changes gear extremely quickly. It has 500 lb ft torque  so would probably make a reasonable tow car.

Only ever seen derv XF's pulling a tin tent though.
Probably because people who tow burger vans like a bit of economy.

Just been talking to the son of the chap who owns a corner shop by us. He's got a 6.3 AMG and reckons, if he puts his foot down, he gets 8mpg  :o
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 17 February 2019, 12:34:03
Time to replace my R320 soon. Replacement needs to be big enough to tow a 1850kg max caravan, I want a 'proper' torque converter auto. Big heavy stuff is becoming a dinosaur these days so the choice is getting limited. I'd like a Jaguar like Lord Opti but my wallet doesn't stretch that far.  ;)

I test drove a 16 plate Jeep Grand Cherokee today. Didn't seem too bad but the touch screen that seems to do everything kinda puts me off .... why can't there be a switch for the ???? instead of scrolling through various menus & sub menus? The FIAT bit puts me off too  :-\

I've a test drive booked next week in a 14 plate ML350 that surprisingly has quite a few bells & whistles.

Head or tails?  :-\ :-\ :-\

My Tata XFR has a a torque converter 8 speed ZF auto which is silky smooth and changes gear extremely quickly. It has 500 lb ft torque  so would probably make a reasonable tow car.

Only ever seen derv XF's pulling a tin tent though.
Probably because people who tow burger vans like a bit of economy.

Just been talking to the son of the chap who owns a corner shop by us. He's got a 6.3 AMG and reckons, if he puts his foot down, he gets 8mpg  :o

Surely that is a contradiction in terms.

If you pull a burger van you will use far more proper fuel or lorry fuel whatever you drive. :)
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: STEMO on 17 February 2019, 14:11:04
Yes, but you get more torques for less fuel with diesel.
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Andy B on 17 February 2019, 14:15:08
Time to replace my R320 soon. Replacement needs to be big enough to tow a 1850kg max caravan, I want a 'proper' torque converter auto. Big heavy stuff is becoming a dinosaur these days so the choice is getting limited. I'd like a Jaguar like Lord Opti but my wallet doesn't stretch that far.  ;)

I test drove a 16 plate Jeep Grand Cherokee today. Didn't seem too bad but the touch screen that seems to do everything kinda puts me off .... why can't there be a switch for the ???? instead of scrolling through various menus & sub menus? The FIAT bit puts me off too  :-\

I've a test drive booked next week in a 14 plate ML350 that surprisingly has quite a few bells & whistles.

Head or tails?  :-\ :-\ :-\

My Tata XFR has a a torque converter 8 speed ZF auto which is silky smooth and changes gear extremely quickly. It has 500 lb ft torque  so would probably make a reasonable tow car.

Only ever seen derv XF's pulling a tin tent though.
Probably because people who tow burger vans like a bit of economy.

Just been talking to the son of the chap who owns a corner shop by us. He's got a 6.3 AMG and reckons, if he puts his foot down, he gets 8mpg  :o

Surely that is a contradiction in terms.

If you pull a burger van you will use far more proper fuel or lorry fuel whatever you drive. :)

No such  thing as fuel economy when towing ..... mine is usually around 19 to 20
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: STEMO on 17 February 2019, 14:19:01
Time to replace my R320 soon. Replacement needs to be big enough to tow a 1850kg max caravan, I want a 'proper' torque converter auto. Big heavy stuff is becoming a dinosaur these days so the choice is getting limited. I'd like a Jaguar like Lord Opti but my wallet doesn't stretch that far.  ;)

I test drove a 16 plate Jeep Grand Cherokee today. Didn't seem too bad but the touch screen that seems to do everything kinda puts me off .... why can't there be a switch for the ???? instead of scrolling through various menus & sub menus? The FIAT bit puts me off too  :-\

I've a test drive booked next week in a 14 plate ML350 that surprisingly has quite a few bells & whistles.

Head or tails?  :-\ :-\ :-\

My Tata XFR has a a torque converter 8 speed ZF auto which is silky smooth and changes gear extremely quickly. It has 500 lb ft torque  so would probably make a reasonable tow car.

Only ever seen derv XF's pulling a tin tent though.
Probably because people who tow burger vans like a bit of economy.

Just been talking to the son of the chap who owns a corner shop by us. He's got a 6.3 AMG and reckons, if he puts his foot down, he gets 8mpg  :o

Surely that is a contradiction in terms.

If you pull a burger van you will use far more proper fuel or lorry fuel whatever you drive. :)

No such  thing as fuel economy when towing ..... mine is usually around 19 to 20
Of course there is. Tow with a big diesel and you'll get that up to 30.
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: tunnie on 17 February 2019, 14:20:06
Andy does tow with a big 3.0 diesel....
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 17 February 2019, 14:27:00
Andy does tow with a big 3.0 diesel....

 Yes......We need to make allowances  for STMO. He is quite elderly. :)
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: STEMO on 17 February 2019, 14:43:17
Andy does tow with a big 3.0 diesel....

 Yes......We need to make allowances  for STMO. He is quite elderly. :)
Well....it's obviously not big enough.  ;D
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Viral_Jim on 17 February 2019, 15:14:27
A word of caution, a number of performance variants aren't type approved for towing. My father's RS6 being a case in point.

Not sure about the XFR or E63.  :-\

That said I'm sure a regular 5.0v8 would do the job nicely, through the same 8 speed of unit incidentally.
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 17 February 2019, 16:33:33
A word of caution, a number of performance variants aren't type approved for towing. My father's RS6 being a case in point.

Not sure about the XFR or E63.  :-\

That said I'm sure a regular 5.0v8 would do the job nicely, through the same 8 speed of unit incidentally.

Why so?.....seems a shame.
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Andy B on 17 February 2019, 16:47:52
Andy does tow with a big 3.0 diesel....

Indeed I do ..... :y
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Andy B on 17 February 2019, 16:54:08
....

Of course there is. Tow with a big diesel and you'll get that up to 30.

I just about get 30mpg solo on a run  ;)
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: STEMO on 17 February 2019, 17:41:11
....

Of course there is. Tow with a big diesel and you'll get that up to 30.

I just about get 30mpg solo on a run  ;)
I suppose it is a huge car.  :-\
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 17 February 2019, 17:50:42
A word of caution, a number of performance variants aren't type approved for towing. My father's RS6 being a case in point.

Not sure about the XFR or E63.  :-\

That said I'm sure a regular 5.0v8 would do the job nicely, through the same 8 speed of unit incidentally.

Why so?.....seems a shame.

Yes caravan racing looks good fun. :y    Especially the demolition derbys!  :D  ;D
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Viral_Jim on 17 February 2019, 18:06:36

Why so?.....seems a shame.

As with most things, I guess cost is the primary driver. However, in some cases it's down to exhaust placement and/or suspension setup.

I agree it's a pity. And I do know some people who tow regardless with them. But if you have an accident, it's your (financial) funeral as I doubt your insurer would be interested in covering you.
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: 2boxerdogs on 17 February 2019, 18:31:04
I get 26 to the gallon when towing a twin axle elddis with the Hyundai , 30 mpg solo that's a 2.9 turbo diesel, in all honesty it drives better when towing.
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Viral_Jim on 17 February 2019, 18:38:40
I get 26 to the gallon when towing a twin axle elddis with the Hyundai , 30 mpg solo that's a 2.9 turbo diesel, in all honesty it drives better when towing.

I'd agree. Although for me it's 27-8 solo and. About 22-3 towing about 2.5 tonnes.

The joys of a slush box  ::)
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Andy B on 17 February 2019, 18:47:58
....

Of course there is. Tow with a big diesel and you'll get that up to 30.

I just about get 30mpg solo on a run  ;)
I suppose it is a huge car.  :-\

permanent 4x4 doesn't help  ;)
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 17 February 2019, 18:56:29
....

Of course there is. Tow with a big diesel and you'll get that up to 30.

I just about get 30mpg solo on a run  ;)
I suppose it is a huge car.  :-\

permanent 4x4 doesn't hurt  ;)
;)
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Andy B on 17 February 2019, 19:52:40
....
 ;)
:y :y

Which is why I'm looking for another  ;)
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: henryd on 17 February 2019, 23:49:25
....

Of course there is. Tow with a big diesel and you'll get that up to 30.

I just about get 30mpg solo on a run  ;)

That's about the same as mine,about 10 less when towing twin axle van
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: tunnie on 18 February 2019, 08:50:40
I don’t monitor the 3.2’s fuel use any more, ignorance is bliss.  ;D
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: STEMO on 18 February 2019, 10:15:23
I don’t monitor the 3.2’s fuel use any more, ignorance is bliss.  ;D
I'm off to Liverpool today and am fully expecting 55-60mpg on the motorway.


If I drive at 55mph. More like 45 when if I drive at 85.
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 18 February 2019, 11:10:39
When I picked up the Ovlov a month ago the trip computer said it was doing 55 mpg!  :y  It's now at 46 mpg so I assume the previous owner coasted everywhere!  ;D

However a brim to brim check last week worked out at 35 mpg...  :-\  Why are these trip computers so inaccurate?  ???  :-\  ::)
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 18 February 2019, 11:14:22
When I picked up the Ovlov a month ago the trip computer said it was doing 55 mpg!  :y  It's now at 46 mpg so I assume the previous owner coasted everywhere!  ;D

However a brim to brim check last week worked out at 35 mpg...  :-\  Why are these trip computers so inaccurate?  ???  :-\  ::)
Because the speeds are set to over read... Screws the mileage calculations ;)
Reset ALL the trips and try again, and you'll find it nearer 35mpg rather than the lifetime averages  ;)
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 18 February 2019, 11:14:33
When I picked up the Ovlov a month ago the trip computer said it was doing 55 mpg!  :y  It's now at 46 mpg so I assume the previous owner coasted everywhere!  ;D

However a brim to brim check last week worked out at 35 mpg...  :-\  Why are these trip computers so inaccurate? ???  :-\  ::)


I would say they are deliberately manufactured to be 'optimistic' because manufacturers  know that most people can't be arsed to do a brim to brim test.


Jag Trip computer is about 20% optimistic.
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Kevin Wood on 18 February 2019, 15:56:29
Yep, the manufacturer published figures are optimistic, so the readouts have to match.
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 19 February 2019, 14:01:00
When I picked up the Ovlov a month ago the trip computer said it was doing 55 mpg!  :y  It's now at 46 mpg so I assume the previous owner coasted everywhere!  ;D

However a brim to brim check last week worked out at 35 mpg...  :-\  Why are these trip computers so inaccurate?  ???  :-\  ::)
Because the speeds are set to over read... Screws the mileage calculations ;)
Reset ALL the trips and try again, and you'll find it nearer 35mpg rather than the lifetime averages  ;)

Nope, the speedo is set to display over, the speed signal is actually pretty accurate  :y

They are usually ok over longer journeys, its short journeys and lots of stop/start where they are not good
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: STEMO on 19 February 2019, 15:37:11
My astra is reading 46.5mpg. Last time I tried the brim to brim method, it worked out at around 44, so not that far out.
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: dave the builder on 19 February 2019, 15:59:15
i'm pleasantly surprised how accurate the omega computer works out my bad petrol consumption  ;D
i'm constantly varying the weight of junk ,tools etc in the boot,back seat ,passenger footwell ,any other space i can find  ;D
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 19 February 2019, 16:09:09
My astra is reading 46.5mpg. Last time I tried the brim to brim method, it worked out at around 44, so not that far out.

In order to get 44 MPG out of anything a person would need to drive around like a doddery old fart......Oh hang on..... :)
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: STEMO on 19 February 2019, 16:44:31
My astra is reading 46.5mpg. Last time I tried the brim to brim method, it worked out at around 44, so not that far out.

In order to get 44 MPG out of anything a person would need to drive around like a doddery old fart......Oh hang on..... :)
Not so. Average figure quoted is around 50, and I certainly don't hang about.
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: STEMO on 19 February 2019, 16:47:58
The missus is a terror and she's getting over 50 from her 1.6 diesel astra.  :P
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 19 February 2019, 17:23:10
The missus is a terror and she's getting over 50 from her 1.6 diesel astra.  :P

I could get that in the Tata.......if I wanted. ::)
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Andy B on 19 February 2019, 19:02:20
So .... I went for the ML350  :y  8)

(https://i.postimg.cc/C5NnRHt3/20190219-161900-001.jpg)
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 19 February 2019, 19:04:21
No offence Andy, but that is proper fugly.
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 19 February 2019, 19:06:43
4/5ths of a GL but half the price 8)

And it's not silver :D
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Andy H on 19 February 2019, 19:17:14
Nice parking

(I assume the dealer parked it across two spaces to show you the MB way :D)
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Andy B on 19 February 2019, 19:29:35
....
And it's not silver :D

That's what I said at the dealers  ;D
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Andy B on 19 February 2019, 19:30:42
Nice parking

(I assume the dealer parked it across two spaces to show you the MB way :D)

That was after I'd parked it .... though in my defence I re-parked it where the dealer had parked it  ;) ;)
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: STEMO on 19 February 2019, 19:35:19
Not as roomy inside, I would imagine. But what is?
What did you get for your R class?
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Andy B on 19 February 2019, 19:47:39
Not as roomy inside, I would imagine. But what is?
What did you get for your R class?

Not that much really ..... £3500  :-\ But I'm happy over all on the 'price to change'
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Andy B on 19 February 2019, 19:49:56
Not as roomy inside, I would imagine. But what is?
What did you get for your R class?

If you compare just the front two rows part of the R Class with the interior ML they're not much different. The ML's boot is huge but obviously doesn't have 2 seats underneath
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: STEMO on 19 February 2019, 20:18:27
What made you give up on the R class? If you got £3.5K for it, it must have been in reasonable condition.
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Andy B on 19 February 2019, 20:30:12
What made you give up on the R class? If you got £3.5K for it, it must have been in reasonable condition.

I'd had it for almost 7 years ... it was time for a change. Oh yes, it was/is in pretty good nick ..... no rusty bits.  ;D
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 19 February 2019, 21:26:35
4/5ths of a GL but half the price 8)

And it's not silver :D

I'd quite like a GL450.  That's a proper beastie!  8)

Quite like the ML350 as well and that one looks nice Andy!  :y
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Viral_Jim on 19 February 2019, 22:03:26
The missus is a terror and she's getting over 50 from her 1.6 diesel astra.  :P

I could get that in the Tata.......if I wanted. ::)

Pushing it doesn't count.





And nor does towing it with Ste's astra!  ;D
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: tunnie on 19 February 2019, 22:23:36
Nice   :y

Hope it serves you well.  :)
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Andy B on 19 February 2019, 22:28:29

I'd quite like a GL450.  That's a proper beastie!  8)

I like the GL but they're bloody massive.  :o

Quite like the ML350 as well and that one looks nice Andy!  :y
Thanks  :y
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Andy B on 19 February 2019, 22:29:00
Nice   :y

Hope it serves you well.  :)

Ta  :y :y
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: henryd on 19 February 2019, 23:35:22
Looks nice Andy,hope it serves you well
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: 2boxerdogs on 20 February 2019, 06:32:39
Very nice & a great colour.
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Jimbob on 20 February 2019, 08:08:17
Nice, must say I'm enjoying being in the Merc fold.
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: STEMO on 20 February 2019, 11:14:54
Angela Merkel will be proud of you.  ;D
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 20 February 2019, 12:31:59
Looks like Im in a minority of one then.  ;D
To be fair, I cant think of any modern car that I like the look of.  ::)
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 20 February 2019, 12:59:01
Nice car, Mr Beanz. Presented  in a similar colour to the mighty Signum. :y

I trust you have seen the light and  changed from the fuel of Satan to God's own fuel. :)
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 20 February 2019, 13:13:19
Wind ? Solar ?  :-\ ;D
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Kevin Wood on 20 February 2019, 13:16:42
Wind ? Solar ?  :-\ ;D

I can see all that tacking across the motorway and back being popular, especially with a burger-van on the back. :D
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: aaronjb on 20 February 2019, 13:36:28
But it's brown. Did we travel back to the 1970s? :P

I'm just jealous - very nice; I had a look around them when we were at the Merc dealer looking at new Smarts originally.. I just couldn't bring myself to spend into six figures for the GL350! :)
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Andy B on 20 February 2019, 13:46:08
Angela Merkel will be proud of you.  ;D
;D ;D
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Andy B on 20 February 2019, 13:47:27
....

I trust you have seen the light and  changed from the fuel of Satan to God's own fuel. :)

It's worse than that .... it needs pig piss too  ;D
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Andy B on 20 February 2019, 13:48:29
But it's brown. Did we travel back to the 1970s? :P

I'm just jealous - very nice; I had a look around them when we were at the Merc dealer looking at new Smarts originally.. I just couldn't bring myself to spend into six figures for the GL350! :)

I think you'll find it's vermilion  :y
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 20 February 2019, 13:57:09
....

I trust you have seen the light and  changed from the fuel of Satan to God's own fuel. :)

It's worse than that .... it needs pig piss too  ;D
Try not to get it on your clothes... It stinks :D
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: aaronjb on 20 February 2019, 13:58:32
I think you'll find it's vermilion  :y

Based on the pictures I bet it's one of those colours that changes enormously with the light? It's a nice looking monsterbarge, anyway.

Also this is Vermillion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKcbYUwmmlE  :D

Try not to get it on your clothes... It stinks :D

One of my shoes succumbed to it when I dribbled filling the Skoda..  :-[

Haven't stopped wearing them, though  ;D
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 20 February 2019, 14:15:04
But it's brown[/i]. Did we travel back to the 1970s? :P

I'm just jealous - very nice; I had a look around them when we were at the Merc dealer looking at new Smarts originally.. I just couldn't bring myself to spend into six figures for the GL350! :)

Actually, it does appear brown following a second look.

BL loved this colour in the seventies and it was pretty common sight on  the Austin All-aggro and Morris Marina. :)
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Andy B on 20 February 2019, 14:16:59
....

I trust you have seen the light and  changed from the fuel of Satan to God's own fuel. :)

It's worse than that .... it needs pig piss too  ;D
Try not to get it on your clothes... It stinks :D
Thanks ..... I'll bear it in mind.  :y
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 20 February 2019, 14:19:01
Russet brown......my friend had a Mini 1275 GT in that colour.
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Andy B on 20 February 2019, 14:22:35


BL loved this colour in the seventies and it was pretty common sight on  the Austin All-aggro and Morris Marina. :)

I used to like you .....
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 20 February 2019, 14:25:49
It's strange which colors prove popular, or otherwise.

The latest 'must have' colour' in the Audi range is called Nardo grey. I think it looks the spitting image of grey primer. All my cars had patches of grey primer  back in the day. :)
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: aaronjb on 20 February 2019, 14:42:26
It's strange which colors prove popular, or otherwise.

The latest 'must have' colour' in the Audi range is called Nardo grey. I think it looks the spitting image of grey primer. All my cars had patches of grey primer  back in the day. :)

Yes! Me too. My other half loves it, however..
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 20 February 2019, 14:57:56
It's strange which colors prove popular, or otherwise.

The latest 'must have' colour' in the Audi range is called Nardo grey. I think it looks the spitting image of grey primer. All my cars had patches of grey primer  back in the day. :)

Yes! Me too. My other half loves it, however..

I think we have a whole generation that can't remember grey primer. As a boy grey cars were everywhere, usually in the form of the Austin A30/35.
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 20 February 2019, 15:03:02
VAG have some horrific colours in their current lineup...

That dark bronzy purple pearlescent is going to look the dog's goolies in some lights and complete toilet* in others, but it isn't russet, which is a far more traditional '70s colour :D

I think the ML looks a bit off because it looks like they chopped the back of the GL... shared platform from the C pillar forwards. (of course I may have that backwards in that the ML was designed and the GL had a shed bolted on the back ::))

Good choice though 8) Still made in Tuscaloosa?

*A layer of British winter and it will look like a mouldy aubergine. Keep it shiny ;)
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: aaronjb on 20 February 2019, 16:08:43
VAG have some horrific colours in their current lineup...

They also have a super green (Skoda CitiGO/VW Up), Kiwi Green, that is in the running for a Cobra colour..
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 20 February 2019, 16:22:43
We had one in teardown before xmas and benchmarked it against the Disco, the general consensus was its pretty well screwed together (I assume the UK ones are not built in the far east) and that both it and the Disco looked shit from the rear  ;D :y
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 20 February 2019, 16:25:21
VAG have some horrific colours in their current lineup...

They also have a super green (Skoda CitiGO/VW Up), Kiwi Green, that is in the running for a Cobra colour..
You really should paint that Citrine Yellow* or Sublime Green :D

*This looked a lot more fluorescent on the example in the showroom at Grays of Guildford when I did my work experience there in '94 aka when Tunnie was in training pants... ::)
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 20 February 2019, 17:34:34
VAG have some horrific colours in their current lineup...

They also have a super green (Skoda CitiGO/VW Up), Kiwi Green, that is in the running for a Cobra colour..

The Cobra should be finished in an appropriately satanic colour. It should be Lucifer Black, just like GTM 777F.

Kiwi Green has a touch of the 'nancy boy' about it and will make people think there is a 60 BHP 1.3 litre OHV lump under the bonnet. :)
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: BazaJT on 20 February 2019, 17:56:18
I'm with MigV6 on this in as much as I can't offhand think of a modern car that I like the look of/would buy.Having said that if it's what you want/need from a vehicle then fair play to you and I hope it serves you well. :y
Title: Re: new (to me) car time soon
Post by: Andy B on 20 February 2019, 18:38:05
It's strange which colors prove popular, or otherwise.

The latest 'must have' colour' in the Audi range is called Nardo grey. I think it looks the spitting image of grey primer. All my cars had patches of grey primer  back in the day. :)

Ages ago on Top Gear, Clarkson showed Audi's colour chart.  It was all a variation on silver/grey