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[Doctor Gollum]

2012

And...

019

Time to roll the dice...

[Sir Tigger KC]

If only the Chinese had checked the use by date on the packet of Bat Soup.                 Sigh....                                                 

[Lizzie Zoom]

Historians have identified over the decades that many, but not all, of the World's major pandemics originated in China or Asia generally:

https://ipdefenseforum.com/2020/03/china-a-hotbed-for-pandemics-historically-experts-say/

https://www.livescience.com/worst-epidemics-and-pandemics-in-history.html

So, yes Bat Flue is far from a new concept.

As with our current challenge, and at least a few others, pandemics start when man encroaches on the animal kingdom and does not take the necessary basic hygienic precautions, when mixing with wildlife.  Bats seem to have caused this pandemic and others in recent times as warned about by a Chinese Wuhan-based virologist Shi Zhengli.  She has connected SARS to the current pandemic:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-chinas-bat-woman-hunted-down-viruses-from-sars-to-the-new-coronavirus1/

 

[Doctor Gollum]

I wish you would read the links...

It was discovered during a study of 300 or so bats in...

GUATEMALA.

I know the Chinese own most of the Caribbean, but that's a stretch to suggest that it is in Asia

[Lizzie Zoom]

I wish you would read the links...

It was discovered during a study of 300 or so bats in...

GUATEMALA.

I know the Chinese own most of the Caribbean, but that's a stretch to suggest that it is in Asia

If YOU read my link you would read:

"Shi’s team used the antibody test to narrow down the list of locations and bat species to pursue in the quest for genomic clues. After roaming mountainous terrain in most of China’s dozens of provinces, the researchers turned their attention to one spot: Shitou Cave, on the outskirts of Kunming, the capital of Yunnan, where they conducted intense sampling during different seasons over five consecutive years.

The efforts paid off. The pathogen hunters discovered hundreds of bat-borne coronaviruses with incredible genetic diversity. “The majority of them are harmless,” Shi says. But dozens belong to the same group as SARS. They can infect human lung cells in a petri dish and cause SARS-like diseases in mice.

In Shitou Cave—where painstaking scrutiny has yielded a natural genetic library of bat-borne viruses—the team discovered a coronavirus strain that came from horseshoe bats with a genomic sequence nearly 97 percent identical to the one found in civets in Guangdong. The finding concluded a decade-long search for the natural reservoir of the SARS coronavirus."

GUATEMALA, or the Caribbean has nothing to do with what the Chinese 'bat woman' has found in regards to COVID 19.  Bats in China and Asia is the most likely source of COVID, as now a large part of the scientific community acknowledge .   
 

[Doctor Gollum]

Actually it does

The clue is in the header.

[Lizzie Zoom]

Actually it does

The clue is in the header.

No, if you are referring to the Daily Fail claim that in GUATEMALA researchers found  various types of FLUE virus in bats of the little yellow-shouldered species, which is a fruit eating variety common across Central and South America, it did not specifically find proof of a connection with COVID 19, although there was a "possible" risk to human health if the flue strains developed with contact with humans.  COVID has been however linked to the bats of China, were the pandemic started and must be considered as the real centre of the crisis .

[Doctor Gollum]

You didn't read it then

Besides, Covid19 is a type of Batflu, granted an allegedly weaponised form of Batflu, but Batflu nevertheless.

It was a discovery that had implications as whilst they were confident at the time that it couldn't directly be transferred to humans, they did think that it may be possible to enter the food chain. Eight years later, here we are.

You should learn to spell flu whilst you're at it...

[Lizzie Zoom]

You didn't read it then

Besides, Covid19 is a type of Batflu, granted an allegedly weaponised form of Batflu, but Batflu nevertheless.

It was a discovery that had implications as whilst they were confident at the time that it couldn't directly be transferred to humans, they did think that it may be possible to enter the food chain. Eight years later, here we are.

You should learn to spell flu whilst you're at it...

Yes, I did and obviously unlike you recognised that COVID was not mentioned in the contemporary 2012 publication and as I have stated just the various flu strains identified as just being a "possible" threat to humans, just like all plagues and diseases could be a threat to humans and have proved to be later. You have wrongly linked that article to COVID without evidence.

You mentioning Latin American countries and linking it o the current COVID 19 is plainly wrong.  It is the Chinese strain of "Bat Flu" that has mutated into COVID 19 and that is were it has originated from, no matter what was discovered in 2012, which like fleas spreading the Black Death on rats is now disputed as the complete, definitive, answer to that pandemic.

Many other scientific and medical factors come into play and far more able people than you and I, and certainly not journalists, will one day fully understand all of them.  One things for sure, we, the human race, has, as I stated, historically suffered from these pandemics and no doubt will continue to until we learn to properly live in our organic World or destroy ourselves.

As for me misspelling flu, that is below the belt................if I faulted everyone on the OOF for grammatical and spelling errors when posting it would become very tedious.

[Sir Tigger KC]

I think you two should get a room. 

[Lizzie Zoom]

I think you two should get a room. 

Do you know I think we would get on with each other as we both have strong opinions that we could discuss for hours / days / years!!

[Sir Tigger KC]

I think you two should get a room. 

Do you know I think we would get on with each other as we both have strong opinions that we could discuss for hours / days / years!!

Maybe.  Or you'd beat the crap out of each other! 

[Doctor Gollum]

You made the link...

I merely pointed out that Batflu was discovered in 2012.In Guatemala.

So pop that in your flue and smoke it

[Lizzie Zoom]

You made the link...

I merely pointed out that Batflu was discovered in 2012.In Guatemala.

So pop that in your flue and smoke it

  Let’s call it a draw

[biggriffin]

Would that be related to the European bat, or the lesser known Artic bat. Monty python voice off.