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Title: Bad Parking
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 24 March 2021, 12:37:08
Ooops!  :o  ::)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-56505413

Apparently a gust of wind blew it off course and it ran around.  ???  Hmmm.  ::)



Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: STEMO on 24 March 2021, 12:53:53
Ooops!  :o  ::)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-56505413

Apparently a gust of wind blew it off course and it ran around.  ???  Hmmm.  ::)
I can't see that running around  ;D
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 24 March 2021, 13:10:19
Ooops!  :o  ::)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-56505413

Apparently a gust of wind blew it off course and it ran around.  ???  Hmmm.  ::)
I can't see that running around  ;D

I think you'll find it runs around all over the place!  :P

Apart from when it's run aground!  ::)  :)
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Rangie on 24 March 2021, 13:20:21
It's been moved now , a Land Rover with a winch pulled it out.
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 24 March 2021, 13:20:36
Left a bit. Left a bit more.

Not that left!!!  ;D

Someone probably got their bow and stern thrsters confused :D
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 24 March 2021, 13:21:09
It's been moved now , a Land Rover with a winch pulled it out.
They found the working one then...
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: STEMO on 24 March 2021, 15:10:15
Ooops!  :o  ::)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-56505413

Apparently a gust of wind blew it off course and it ran around.  ???  Hmmm.  ::)
I can't see that running around  ;D

I think you'll find it runs around all over the place!  :P

Apart from when it's run aground!  ::)  :)
Perhaps you should have written aground instead of around then  ;D
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 24 March 2021, 15:57:12
Actually it ran around and ended up aground.  :P
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 24 March 2021, 17:34:00
Ooops!  :o  ::)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-56505413

Apparently a gust of wind blew it off course and it ran around.  ???  Hmmm.  ::)
I can't see that running around  ;D

I think you'll find it runs around all over the place!  :P

Apart from when it's run aground!  ::)  :)
Perhaps you should have written aground instead of around then  ;D

Haven't you got something more useful to worry about?  ???  ::)
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: STEMO on 24 March 2021, 17:47:19
Ooops!  :o  ::)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-56505413

Apparently a gust of wind blew it off course and it ran around.  ???  Hmmm.  ::)
I can't see that running around  ;D

I think you'll find it runs around all over the place!  :P

Apart from when it's run aground!  ::)  :)
Perhaps you should have written aground instead of around then  ;D

Haven't you got something more useful to worry about?  ???  ::)
No. :-*
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 24 March 2021, 17:48:50
Woman Captain? ::)
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: STEMO on 24 March 2021, 17:49:18
Woman Captain? ::)
Sexist pig  ;D
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 24 March 2021, 17:53:17
Woman Captain? ::)
Sexist pig  ;D

Almost best to look for the most likely cause first.......much the same as when the car has a fault. :)
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 24 March 2021, 20:13:12
Ooops!  :o  ::)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-56505413

Apparently a gust of wind blew it off course and it ran around.  ???  Hmmm.  ::)
I can't see that running around  ;D

I think you'll find it runs around all over the place!  :P

Apart from when it's run aground!  ::)  :)
Perhaps you should have written aground instead of around then  ;D

Haven't you got something more useful to worry about?  ???  ::)
No. :-*

Lucky you!  :y
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 24 March 2021, 23:37:00
Credit where it's due...

Running aground in an arrow straight, man made trench is quite some achievement.  :D
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Nick W on 24 March 2021, 23:48:05
Credit where it's due...

Running aground in an arrow straight, man made trench is quite some achievement.  :D


If the high winds caught it, what else is going to happen? Just like getting a Transit wedged across a narrow lane because of some very slippery/smelly 'mud'. It meant I didn't get back in time for lunch >:(
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 25 March 2021, 01:49:02
My point was the running aground bit...

Windage is a nuisance on a Broads cruiser with a seven ft airdraft and no bow thruster. You would like to think summat that size would be suitably equipped to deal with it. Sustained gusts notwithstanding...

Given the shape of most large modern ships, not cutting the sides of the canal vertically to the bottom of it suggests a lack of foresight  :-\
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Nick W on 25 March 2021, 09:23:26
My point was the running aground bit...

Given the shape of most large modern ships, not cutting the sides of the canal vertically to the bottom of it suggests a lack of foresight  :-\


You know it was built in the 1860s?
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 25 March 2021, 09:40:26
2016 where she got stuck ;)

She would almost touch the sides transiting the old part, so even with full rudder she wouldn't have got stuck...
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: biggriffin on 25 March 2021, 10:00:07
Agencyski driver :D ;D
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: hotel21 on 25 March 2021, 10:24:42
Total power loss (blackout) and too slow to aux steering.  Last rudder correction still applied and momentum caused it to ground.

Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 25 March 2021, 11:17:05
Total power loss (blackout) and too slow to aux steering.  Last rudder correction still applied and momentum caused it to ground.
That explains everything except the running aground... There shouldn't have been anything shallow enough to hit... She'd have simply bounced back into the channel.
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: TheBoy on 25 March 2021, 11:55:02
Total power loss (blackout) and too slow to aux steering.  Last rudder correction still applied and momentum caused it to ground.
That explains everything except the running aground... There shouldn't have been anything shallow enough to hit... She'd have simply bounced back into the channel.
Its very difficult and expensive to keep the shores vertical, hence like most canals, this has the profile of, errr, a canal.

It probably reduced damage to the ship as well, as I suspect it still would have hit the sides, even if the edges were deep enough, but with more force.
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: TheBoy on 25 March 2021, 11:55:44
I have some Lipos on a slow boat from China.  Hope they are now queued up behind it :D
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Rangie on 25 March 2021, 12:26:21
Total power loss (blackout) and too slow to aux steering.  Last rudder correction still applied and momentum caused it to ground.
That explains everything except the running aground... There shouldn't have been anything shallow enough to hit... She'd have simply bounced back into the channel.
Its very difficult and expensive to keep the shores vertical, hence like most canals, this has the profile of, errr, a canal.

It probably reduced damage to the ship as well, as I suspect it still would have hit the sides, even if the edges were deep enough, but with more force.


Spot on TB there was an expert on one of the SKY channels last night who explained precisely how this incident occurred & the problems associated with "the canal".
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 25 March 2021, 13:46:31
It's hardlyy thhe Ribble Link ;D
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: hotel21 on 25 March 2021, 13:48:37
Total power loss (blackout) and too slow to aux steering.  Last rudder correction still applied and momentum caused it to ground.
That explains everything except the running aground... There shouldn't have been anything shallow enough to hit... She'd have simply bounced back into the channel.

As stated further on this thread the sides are not vertical and it looks like the bulbous bow hit first and the rest of the ship would pivot on that point.
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 25 March 2021, 13:58:16
I understand the physics of it ;)
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Andy B on 25 March 2021, 14:05:33
the owner has said sorry .....  :y

I just remember everything being covered in red sand for ages after going through the Suez Canal  ::)
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 25 March 2021, 14:27:14
I understand the physics of it ;)
Loss of power being the biggest issue. Everything else being a secodary inconvenience.
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Broomies Mate on 25 March 2021, 18:16:59
It's obvious these things are GIGANTIC, but when you compare the size of the ship to the Excavator at the bow, it's mind boggling.

(https://i.ibb.co/MPz1B7g/Suez.png) (https://ibb.co/JrYp3Hc)
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: redelitev6 on 25 March 2021, 18:22:40
Credit where it's due...

Running aground in an arrow straight, man made trench is quite some achievement.  :D
Person of non specific gender made  :y
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 25 March 2021, 19:11:58
I went alonga road that ran beside the Suez canal in Egypt about 20 years ago.
It was weird looking up at the ships on the canal because the road was lower than the canal was.
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 25 March 2021, 19:17:20
Credit where it's due...

Running aground in an arrow straight, man made trench is quite some achievement.  :D
Person of non specific gender made  :y
Egypt is old school... women don't work out side of the home. And if they did, it wouldn't be digging  ;)
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: STEMO on 25 March 2021, 19:18:38
Credit where it's due...

Running aground in an arrow straight, man made trench is quite some achievement.  :D
Person of non specific gender made  :y
Egypt is old school... women don't work out side of the home. And if they did, it wouldn't be digging  ;)
Or piloting a container ship.
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Varche on 25 March 2021, 21:47:43
Could be days or weeks to release it. Gulp.

Where is Alan Sugar and the Apprentice when you need a job doing?
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: ronnyd on 25 March 2021, 21:58:57
Could be days or weeks to release it. Gulp.

Where is Alan Sugar and the Apprentice when you need a job doing?
That lot couldn't find their way out of a car park. ::)
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Rangie on 25 March 2021, 22:08:09
Thunderbirds would soon have that shifted.
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Andy B on 25 March 2021, 22:31:39
Looks like it'll take a while ...

(https://www.aljazeera.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/000_96M347.jpg?resize=1200%2C630)
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 25 March 2021, 22:40:54
Meanwhile, watch the price of fuel rise at the pumps.  ::)
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: ronnyd on 25 March 2021, 22:51:07
They'll have to go "Round the Horne", like Kenneth. :D  Well, Cape of Good Hope anyway.  ::)
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 26 March 2021, 09:46:44
(https://i.postimg.cc/76CCSkzp/165280183-10159352052394540-1431857425418379464-n.jpg)
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: countrywoman on 26 March 2021, 10:21:51
You know when you have failed your driving test from hitting the kerb on a 3 point turn----------
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 26 March 2021, 12:15:29
Looks like it'll take a while ...

(https://www.aljazeera.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/000_96M347.jpg?resize=1200%2C630)
That looks alot more like the Ribble Link than I first thought  :o

Surely shifting some ballast and reversing the ship off would be quicker that a bloke in a digger?
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Shackeng on 26 March 2021, 12:42:29
Not according to Denholm(?) shipping, on radio 4 this AM, getting cranes that can reach 200'(?) to the site etc., will take a week or so.
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 26 March 2021, 15:33:28
Not according to Denholm(?) shipping, on radio 4 this AM, getting cranes that can reach 200'(?) to the site etc., will take a week or so.
What are they hoping to lift? Supplies?

Main engine is nearly 80,000 hp, and the bow thrusters 3,400 hp each.

With a little creativity, she could be off in no time:

Empty barge alongside the starboard hull towards the bow as a fulcrum.
A couple of tugs on the port bow lines, one forward and one aft.
Starboard stern lines to the eastern bank and anchored.
Both bow thrusters to push the bow out, Main engine full astern at the same time.

Might not be pretty, but it would get it done.

Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: hotel21 on 26 March 2021, 15:34:54
As I understand it these ships run almost fully loaded and so with minimal ballast - and just enough bunkerage to get to the planned destination so as to navigate the canal with the greatest profit.

The canal tugs have very limited pull/push ability and salvage tugs they most certainly are not.

Think landy defender with a winch on the back versus a full blown truck recovery vehicle....   ;D
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 26 March 2021, 15:39:57
It was actually lost of propulsion power (these ships have the usual big engine driving the prop plus a set of other independent gen sets for hotel load and tunnel thrusters).

Throw in a cross wind and the fact that rudders are far from great without a prop running.....and you lose control.

Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 26 March 2021, 15:41:04
As I understand it these ships run almost fully loaded and so with minimal ballast - and just enough bunkerage to get to the planned destination so as to navigate the canal with the greatest profit.

The canal tugs have very limited pull/push ability and salvage tugs they most certainly are not.

Think landy defender with a winch on the back versus a full blown truck recovery vehicle....   ;D

This won't be reliable enough....Something Japanese may be required. ;) :D
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: hotel21 on 26 March 2021, 15:47:39
It was actually lost of propulsion power (these ships have the usual big engine driving the prop plus a set of other independent gen sets for hotel load and tunnel thrusters).

Throw in a cross wind and the fact that rudders are far from great without a prop running.....and you lose control.

Almost mr DTM.  Generator/Alternator setup also will be providing power for lube pumps, coolant pumps, lighting in the engine space as well as the hotel side of air on, fridges, fresh water circ etc.  A power blackout shuts down the entire vessel and if emergency systems don’t auto start quickly and the crew not quick to light the engine again, then it ends in tears.
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 26 March 2021, 15:48:15
Their biggest asset has to be the power of the ship itself. It only needs to move enough to free the bow... once that happens, she can be set along side more 'conventionally'.

It was actually lost of propulsion power (these ships have the usual big engine driving the prop plus a set of other independent gen sets for hotel load and tunnel thrusters).

Throw in a cross wind and the fact that rudders are far from great without a prop running.....and you lose control.

QED :y

I suppose the real question then is: can propulsion be restored before a bloke and a bobcat can dig it out? The bow thrusters alone ought to be enough to shift the bow and/or the material it's sat on.
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 26 March 2021, 16:11:37
It was actually lost of propulsion power (these ships have the usual big engine driving the prop plus a set of other independent gen sets for hotel load and tunnel thrusters).

Throw in a cross wind and the fact that rudders are far from great without a prop running.....and you lose control.

Almost mr DTM.  Generator/Alternator setup also will be providing power for lube pumps, coolant pumps, lighting in the engine space as well as the hotel side of air on, fridges, fresh water circ etc.  A power blackout shuts down the entire vessel and if emergency systems don’t auto start quickly and the crew not quick to light the engine again, then it ends in tears.

Not on these, the prime is shaft drive only and has no generation, the electrical is a DP2 so primary support systems run with loss of an electrical engine room, this includes diverse feeds to sub systems, switchboards the works. They are specifically designed such that a SPOF will not impact life support for the primary  :y
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 26 March 2021, 16:13:29
Their biggest asset has to be the power of the ship itself. It only needs to move enough to free the bow... once that happens, she can be set along side more 'conventionally'.

It was actually lost of propulsion power (these ships have the usual big engine driving the prop plus a set of other independent gen sets for hotel load and tunnel thrusters).

Throw in a cross wind and the fact that rudders are far from great without a prop running.....and you lose control.

QED :y

I suppose the real question then is: can propulsion be restored before a bloke and a bobcat can dig it out? The bow thrusters alone ought to be enough to shift the bow and/or the material it's sat on.

Sadly not, the tunnels will only be of the order of a few MW, never shift.

The only hope is dig the bow out, lose some weight, get a high tide and tug like hell
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 26 March 2021, 16:18:24
Their biggest asset has to be the power of the ship itself. It only needs to move enough to free the bow... once that happens, she can be set along side more 'conventionally'.

It was actually lost of propulsion power (these ships have the usual big engine driving the prop plus a set of other independent gen sets for hotel load and tunnel thrusters).

Throw in a cross wind and the fact that rudders are far from great without a prop running.....and you lose control.

QED :y

I suppose the real question then is: can propulsion be restored before a bloke and a bobcat can dig it out? The bow thrusters alone ought to be enough to shift the bow and/or the material it's sat on.

Sadly not, the tunnels will only be of the order of a few MW, never shift.

The only hope is dig the bow out, lose some weight, get a high tide and tug like hell

I'm quite happy to offer a 'push' if it will help.... ::)
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 26 March 2021, 16:19:14
They're going to need a bigger shovel then...
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Rangie on 26 March 2021, 16:35:35
Why not charter a plane & fly all the OOF experts out to assist ?
😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: ronnyd on 26 March 2021, 16:57:41
Why not charter a plane & fly all the OOF experts out to assist ?
😂😂😂😂
;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 26 March 2021, 16:58:25
Why not charter a plane & fly all the OOF experts out to assist ?
😂😂😂😂

Do keep up Mick!  :)

We live in a giant prison camp now as it's illegal to leave the country.  :(  ::)

I doubt there are even dispensations for OOF experts!  ;D
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 26 March 2021, 17:19:15
Besides, even arseholes are allowed opinions :-X
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Rangie on 26 March 2021, 17:20:36
Why not charter a plane & fly all the OOF experts out to assist ?
😂😂😂😂

Do keep up Mick!  :)

We live in a giant prison camp now as it's illegal to leave the country.  :(  ::)

I doubt there are even dispensations for OOF experts!  ;D



I can sort it don't worry ,got a pal with a plane, he's been busy during the Pandemic but I'm sure an OOFparty of experts would take priority..😂
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 26 March 2021, 17:22:37
Why not charter a plane & fly all the OOF experts out to assist ?
😂😂😂😂

Do keep up Mick!  :)

We live in a giant prison camp now as it's illegal to leave the country.  :(  ::)

I doubt there are even dispensations for OOF experts!  ;D



I can sort it don't worry ,got a pal with a plane, he's been busy during the Pandemic but I'm sure an OOFparty of experts would take priority..
😂

Great count me in then, I'll bring my bucket and spade!  ;D
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 26 March 2021, 17:23:55
Why not charter a plane & fly all the OOF experts out to assist ?
😂😂😂😂

Do keep up Mick!  :)

We live in a giant prison camp now as it's illegal to leave the country.  :(  ::)

I doubt there are even dispensations for OOF experts!  ;D



I can sort it don't worry ,got a pal with a plane, he's been busy during the Pandemic but I'm sure an OOFparty of experts would take priority..
😂

Great count me in then, I'll bring my bucket and spade!  ;D
Don't forget your England vest and crocs :D
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 26 March 2021, 17:27:27
Why not charter a plane & fly all the OOF experts out to assist ?
😂😂😂😂

Do keep up Mick!  :)

We live in a giant prison camp now as it's illegal to leave the country.  :(  ::)

I doubt there are even dispensations for OOF experts!  ;D



I can sort it don't worry ,got a pal with a plane, he's been busy during the Pandemic but I'm sure an OOFparty of experts would take priority..
😂

Great count me in then, I'll bring my bucket and spade!  ;D
Don't forget your England vest and crocs :D

I have an image of me and Mick sat in deck chairs with a few beers 'directing operations'  :)

You don't wanna do it like that Abdul!   ;D
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 26 March 2021, 17:30:50
 ;D

You don't want to do it like that... (https://youtu.be/eH56UOjDQ4A)
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Rangie on 26 March 2021, 17:32:57
Why not charter a plane & fly all the OOF experts out to assist ?
😂😂😂😂

Do keep up Mick!  :)

We live in a giant prison camp now as it's illegal to leave the country.  :(  ::)

I doubt there are even dispensations for OOF experts!  ;D



I can sort it don't worry ,got a pal with a plane, he's been busy during the Pandemic but I'm sure an OOFparty of experts would take priority..
😂

Great count me in then, I'll bring my bucket and spade!  ;D
Don't forget your England vest and crocs :D

I have an image of me and Mick sat in deck chairs with a few beers 'directing operations'  :)

You don't wanna do it like that Abdul!   ;D
.   


I can picture it now Steve, I will print all the suggestions of how to shift it & we could go slowly through the list getting more pissed and not giving a f**k about the damn ship moving or not.
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Nick W on 26 March 2021, 18:12:24
Why not charter a plane & fly all the OOF experts out to assist ?
😂😂😂😂

Do keep up Mick!  :)

We live in a giant prison camp now as it's illegal to leave the country.  :( ::)

I doubt there are even dispensations for OOF experts!  ;D



I can sort it don't worry ,got a pal with a plane, he's been busy during the Pandemic but I'm sure an OOFparty of experts would take priority..
😂

Great count me in then, I'll bring my bucket and spade!  ;D
Don't forget your England vest and crocs :D

I have an image of me and Mick sat in deck chairs with a few beers 'directing operations'  :)

You don't wanna do it like that Abdul!   ;D


You'd be shouting at Dutch and Japanese salvage experts. Who would ignore you, because they actually know what they're doing....
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 26 March 2021, 18:16:13
If they do they want to get their finger out and get on with it.  ;D
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Rangie on 26 March 2021, 19:00:24
My missus was watching the news tonight & after watching the news said if that ship which is the largest of its type was a few metres shorter in length it woul be easier to move it, not a bad idea 😂😂😂
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: STEMO on 26 March 2021, 19:17:41
My missus was watching the news tonight & after watching the news said if that ship which is the largest of its type was a few metres shorter in length it woul be easier to move it, not a bad idea 😂😂😂
Your missus may have a point, Mick. Not about making ships shorter, but maybe not allowing ones that size through the canal.
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Rangie on 26 March 2021, 19:22:32
It's the simple answer 👍
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 26 March 2021, 19:38:32
Besides, even arseholes are allowed opinions :-X

No I'm not..... ;)
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 26 March 2021, 19:43:34
Besides, even arseholes are allowed opinions :-X

No I'm not..... ;)
Ok, apart from us...
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 26 March 2021, 22:13:40
Two ex colleagues are out there, five years of leading marine power system delivery for GE  :y
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 26 March 2021, 22:16:51
Two ex colleagues are out there, five years of leading marine power system delivery for GE  :y

There's never a free deckchair...  :-\                                                                    ;D
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: TheBoy on 27 March 2021, 09:14:18
Two ex colleagues are out there, five years of leading marine power system delivery for GE  :y

There's never a free deckchair...  :-\                                                                    ;D
Having been to Egypt, I don't think I'd want to return, even less so over the last decade or so.  They don't tolerate foreigners.
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 27 March 2021, 09:51:35
We were in and out in a day and that was enough. Coach to the pyramids / sphinx / Cairo museum to see Tuts treasures, and then back on the boat to Cyprus.
A day I wont forget for many reasons (especially the heat !  :o) but no way in the world would I want to spend any time there.
It seemed to be a filthy stinking hole for the most part, with each local having a slightly different con to try and relieve you off your cash and valuables.
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Rangie on 27 March 2021, 10:12:49
We were in and out in a day and that was enough. Coach to the pyramids / sphinx / Cairo museum to see Tuts treasures, and then back on the boat to Cyprus.
A day I wont forget for many reasons (especially the heat !  :o) but no way in the world would I want to spend any time there.
It seemed to be a filthy stinking hole for the most part, with each local having a slightly different con to try and relieve you off your cash and valuables.


You're not wrong there my wife's brother who worked in Egypt died over there 2 years ago this week took ages to get his body back because we wouldn't pay extortionate amounts of cash to officials who were " well connected" their words  not mine got his remains back in July, which I had to try & identify which was impossible so had to result in dental records.Vowed never to visit the place.
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: TheBoy on 27 March 2021, 11:15:42
We were in and out in a day and that was enough. Coach to the pyramids / sphinx / Cairo museum to see Tuts treasures, and then back on the boat to Cyprus.
A day I wont forget for many reasons (especially the heat !  :o) but no way in the world would I want to spend any time there.
It seemed to be a filthy stinking hole for the most part, with each local having a slightly different con to try and relieve you off your cash and valuables.
We did the whole Luxor to Aswan and back again, on the Nile.  A shithole, but we had to do it as she has a fascination with ancient Egypt.

I remember the heat, the smell of Aswan (neat Benzine from the petrol), and having to lock ourselves in a McDonalds in Luxor until the police arrived.

We never carried cash in hands, bags or pockets, nor wore valuables, as you were guaranteed to lose it.  A country with such riches should not have so many poor....    ...but to quote our (Muslim) tour guide, that was the trouble with their form of Islam - endemic laziness and corruption.  And also the reason the boat only employed staff from sub sahara Africa.


But more pleasnt memories include some of the temples, and the west bank of the Nile including the Valley of the Kings.  We also did a baloon trip as dawn broke over the west bank that was epic.
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: dave the builder on 27 March 2021, 12:15:16
It's happened again  :o
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Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 27 March 2021, 12:32:46
Shove the tiller over to the right and give it some beans ahead. It'll be on tother side of the channel before the person on the bank gets back on ;D
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Andy B on 27 March 2021, 19:52:45
...
I remember the heat, the smell of Aswan ....

I'd imagine it's similar to Karachi  .... all sorts floated down the river while we were parked up there ....  ???
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 27 March 2021, 19:55:44
Saw kids playing in the edges of the Nile, while a dead Donkey floated past.  ::)
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Broomies Mate on 27 March 2021, 21:05:06
With all these row-boats being unable to make their destination.......... who's actually paying for it?

Logically, I'm thinking the Ever Given would be insured against late port-fee's, delayed goods, perished goods etc, as it's technically had an accident..... it cannot physically move.

What about all the others?  Claim from Evergreen's insurance?  Furthermore, do the Egyptian Government have a claim?

I suspect many of us have goods waiting in containers on those ships.... apart from getting a refund on the delivery charge, what recourse is there for the humble end-user?
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 27 March 2021, 21:23:59
With all these row-boats being unable to make their destination.......... who's actually paying for it?

Logically, I'm thinking the Ever Given would be insured against late port-fee's, delayed goods, perished goods etc, as it's technically had an accident..... it cannot physically move.

What about all the others?  Claim from Evergreen's insurance?  Furthermore, do the Egyptian Government have a claim?

I suspect many of us have goods waiting in containers on those ships.... apart from getting a refund on the delivery charge, what recourse is there for the humble end-user?

Dunno..  :-\

But tell you what?  I'm off out to stock up on bog roll tomorrow!  ;D
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Nick W on 27 March 2021, 22:05:12
With all these row-boats being unable to make their destination.......... who's actually paying for it?

Logically, I'm thinking the Ever Given would be insured against late port-fee's, delayed goods, perished goods etc, as it's technically had an accident..... it cannot physically move.

What about all the others?  Claim from Evergreen's insurance?  Furthermore, do the Egyptian Government have a claim?

I suspect many of us have goods waiting in containers on those ships.... apart from getting a refund on the delivery charge, what recourse is there for the humble end-user?

Dunno..  :-\

But tell you what?  I'm off out to stock up on bog roll tomorrow!  ;D


Bog roll(and lots of other paper products) is made from timber from the managed forests that cover northern Europe. The reason why there was a scare for it last year started in Australia, which doesn't have a softwood industry and it's all imported.
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 27 March 2021, 22:12:56
It's in their interests to get it cleared as presumably they can only charge for ships that actually get through the canal...

Imagine abandoning an artic across the Dartford Crossing tolls... They'd have it moved before lunch ;D
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Broomies Mate on 27 March 2021, 22:25:20
It's in their interests to get it cleared as presumably they can only charge for ships that actually get through the canal...

Imagine abandoning an artic across the Dartford Crossing tolls... They'd have it moved before lunch ;D

I'll guess that the shipping companies pre-pay for transit through the canal.  Even if that's a few tens of thousands of pounds, it will be refunded as the ship was unable to pass (much like buying an airline ticket, but the runway is unusable).

That's just a drop in the ocean... what about all the goods, the port fee's, the fuel costs, the staff wages?
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Nick W on 27 March 2021, 22:50:29
It's in their interests to get it cleared as presumably they can only charge for ships that actually get through the canal...

Imagine abandoning an artic across the Dartford Crossing tolls... They'd have it moved before lunch ;D

I'll guess that the shipping companies pre-pay for transit through the canal.  Even if that's a few tens of thousands of pounds, it will be refunded as the ship was unable to pass (much like buying an airline ticket, but the runway is unusable).

That's just a drop in the ocean... what about all the goods, the port fee's, the fuel costs, the staff wages?


also modern shipping is run to very tight schedules, so there will be a number of ships that will miss their booked slots at various ports throughout the word. You can't just unload a fully loaded ship. The knock-on effects of this will continue for months.
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Varche on 27 March 2021, 22:59:08
It's in their interests to get it cleared as presumably they can only charge for ships that actually get through the canal...

Imagine abandoning an artic across the Dartford Crossing tolls... They'd have it moved before lunch ;D

I'll guess that the shipping companies pre-pay for transit through the canal.  Even if that's a few tens of thousands of pounds, it will be refunded as the ship was unable to pass (much like buying an airline ticket, but the runway is unusable).

That's just a drop in the ocean... what about all the goods, the port fee's, the fuel costs, the staff wages?

Refunded? Probably just a voucher valid for twelve months on any Suez Canal trip with a ten thousand shekel admin fee.
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 27 March 2021, 23:35:55
"Bet you cant do a U turn in the middle of the Suez canal."
"Hold my pint."

 ;D
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 27 March 2021, 23:48:52
It's in their interests to get it cleared as presumably they can only charge for ships that actually get through the canal...

Imagine abandoning an artic across the Dartford Crossing tolls... They'd have it moved before lunch ;D

I'll guess that the shipping companies pre-pay for transit through the canal.  Even if that's a few tens of thousands of pounds, it will be refunded as the ship was unable to pass (much like buying an airline ticket, but the runway is unusable).

That's just a drop in the ocean... what about all the goods, the port fee's, the fuel costs, the staff wages?


also modern shipping is run to very tight schedules, so there will be a number of ships that will miss their booked slots at various ports throughout the word. You can't just unload a fully loaded ship. The knock-on effects of this will continue for months.
Yes and no... The whole queue has been delayed so they'll all, more or less, be in order when they arrive..
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Varche on 28 March 2021, 00:24:59
Has anyone else noticed that there are two ships stuck in the Suez Canal ?

One is called EVERGREEN and one is called EVERGIVEN .
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 28 March 2021, 00:33:43
Has anyone else noticed that there are two ships stuck in the Suez Canal ?

One is called EVERGREEN and one is called EVERGIVEN .
???

The M/V Ever Given happens to be owned and operated by Ever Green, a mahoosive shipping/distribution company in Taiwan iirc...

Ever Green decided that their corporate markings should include splattering the company name along the side of their ships in sodding great big letters as part of their overall corporate branding...
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Varche on 28 March 2021, 10:43:17
 :y
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Raeturbo on 28 March 2021, 17:00:05
Apparently the bow is wedged 15 metres into the mud/sand and it’s going to need a 33,000 draw pull to dislodge it! Good luck there because the most powerful tug in existence can only manage 423 tons, there’s a high tide due they say surely only buoyancy can get it out
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Nick W on 28 March 2021, 17:08:14
Apparently the bow is wedged 15 metres into the mud/sand and it’s going to need a 33,000 draw pull to dislodge it! Good luck there because the most powerful tug in existence can only manage 423 tons, there’s a high tide due they say surely only buoyancy can get it out


It's also beached at both ends - 76metres at the front - with the centre unsupported in a manner it isn't designed for. You can't dig that out easily. It weighs 250,000tonnes, is 60m wide, and 50 high above the waterline which means you can't 'just' drag it out even if you had the power and space available, and it can't be unloaded without building extensive cranes spanning the canal.
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Raeturbo on 28 March 2021, 17:18:31
Indeed that’s what I’m saying... what about temporary damming the canal in front of it big undertaking but safer?  Oh update on the tug there’s a more powerful one now, the island victory, 477 ton draw pull.
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 29 March 2021, 16:18:15
Freed and moving under her own power, with several tugs in tow to keep her in the channel  ::)

Hopefully fuel will come back down a bit again  :-\
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Raeturbo on 29 March 2021, 16:31:00
Sadly that’s a bit unlikely  :(
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: STEMO on 29 March 2021, 17:11:38
Freed and moving under her own power, with several tugs in tow to keep her in the channel  ::)

Hopefully fuel will come back down a bit again  :-\
Fuel never went up, did it? Certainly not around here.
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Varche on 29 March 2021, 18:00:45
Stayed same price here too. Maybe increases feed in a week or so in arrears?
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: STEMO on 29 March 2021, 18:01:48
Stayed same price here too. Maybe increases feed in a week or so in arrears?
Crude hasn't budged.
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 29 March 2021, 18:14:11
It's gone up a couple of pence round here between my last two tanks :-\
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Raeturbo on 29 March 2021, 20:10:37
Ahh tanks are notoriously heavy on fuel  ::) ;D ;D
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: STEMO on 29 March 2021, 20:12:41
Ahh tanks are notoriously heavy on fuel  ::) ;D ;D
;D ;D
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: TheBoy on 29 March 2021, 20:25:05
Freed and moving under her own power, with several tugs in tow to keep her in the channel  ::)

Hopefully fuel will come back down a bit again  :-\
Fuel never went up, did it? Certainly not around here.
Oil prices spiked when it happened, but quickly fell to original levels, as there is still low demand.
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: STEMO on 29 March 2021, 20:28:15
Brent crude, the one that matters, has gone up $3 a barrel in the last month. At around $60 a barrel, that's around 5%.
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 29 March 2021, 20:40:23
Ahh tanks are notoriously heavy on fuel  ::) ;D ;D
;D ;D
It weighs as much as Omega :D
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Raeturbo on 29 March 2021, 23:38:15
 ;D
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Varche on 12 May 2021, 16:58:28
The Evergiven far from being on its way is now officially impounded pending payment to Egypt of around £700 million pounds compensation.

That is a lot of money and a lot of delayed cargo!  It is currently languishing in the Great Bitter Lake on the northern end of the canal. Very aptly named.
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Rangie on 12 May 2021, 17:16:07
The Evergiven far from being on its way is now officially impounded pending payment to Egypt of around £700 million pounds compensation.

That is a lot of money and a lot of delayed cargo!  It is currently languishing in the Great Bitter Lake on the northern end of the canal. Very aptly named.
.   

Doesn't surprise me in the least, grease their palms with cash, we had all that nonsense when trying to get my brother in laws body home from Egypt a couple of years ago, one person knew someone "who was very well connected who could assist" corrupt bastards.
Title: Re: Bad Parking
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 12 May 2021, 18:30:55
The Evergiven far from being on its way is now officially impounded pending payment to Egypt of around £700 million pounds compensation.

That is a lot of money and a lot of delayed cargo!  It is currently languishing in the Great Bitter Lake on the northern end of the canal. Very aptly named.

One helluva parking ticket!  :o  ;D