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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Sir Tigger KC on 24 March 2021, 12:37:08
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Ooops! :o ::)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-56505413
Apparently a gust of wind blew it off course and it ran around. ??? Hmmm. ::)
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Ooops! :o ::)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-56505413
Apparently a gust of wind blew it off course and it ran around. ??? Hmmm. ::)
I can't see that running around ;D
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Ooops! :o ::)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-56505413
Apparently a gust of wind blew it off course and it ran around. ??? Hmmm. ::)
I can't see that running around ;D
I think you'll find it runs around all over the place! :P
Apart from when it's run aground! ::) :)
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It's been moved now , a Land Rover with a winch pulled it out.
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Left a bit. Left a bit more.
Not that left!!! ;D
Someone probably got their bow and stern thrsters confused :D
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It's been moved now , a Land Rover with a winch pulled it out.
They found the working one then...
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Ooops! :o ::)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-56505413
Apparently a gust of wind blew it off course and it ran around. ??? Hmmm. ::)
I can't see that running around ;D
I think you'll find it runs around all over the place! :P
Apart from when it's run aground! ::) :)
Perhaps you should have written aground instead of around then ;D
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Actually it ran around and ended up aground. :P
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Ooops! :o ::)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-56505413
Apparently a gust of wind blew it off course and it ran around. ??? Hmmm. ::)
I can't see that running around ;D
I think you'll find it runs around all over the place! :P
Apart from when it's run aground! ::) :)
Perhaps you should have written aground instead of around then ;D
Haven't you got something more useful to worry about? ??? ::)
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Ooops! :o ::)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-56505413
Apparently a gust of wind blew it off course and it ran around. ??? Hmmm. ::)
I can't see that running around ;D
I think you'll find it runs around all over the place! :P
Apart from when it's run aground! ::) :)
Perhaps you should have written aground instead of around then ;D
Haven't you got something more useful to worry about? ??? ::)
No. :-*
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Woman Captain? ::)
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Woman Captain? ::)
Sexist pig ;D
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Woman Captain? ::)
Sexist pig ;D
Almost best to look for the most likely cause first.......much the same as when the car has a fault. :)
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Ooops! :o ::)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-56505413
Apparently a gust of wind blew it off course and it ran around. ??? Hmmm. ::)
I can't see that running around ;D
I think you'll find it runs around all over the place! :P
Apart from when it's run aground! ::) :)
Perhaps you should have written aground instead of around then ;D
Haven't you got something more useful to worry about? ??? ::)
No. :-*
Lucky you! :y
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Credit where it's due...
Running aground in an arrow straight, man made trench is quite some achievement. :D
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Credit where it's due...
Running aground in an arrow straight, man made trench is quite some achievement. :D
If the high winds caught it, what else is going to happen? Just like getting a Transit wedged across a narrow lane because of some very slippery/smelly 'mud'. It meant I didn't get back in time for lunch >:(
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My point was the running aground bit...
Windage is a nuisance on a Broads cruiser with a seven ft airdraft and no bow thruster. You would like to think summat that size would be suitably equipped to deal with it. Sustained gusts notwithstanding...
Given the shape of most large modern ships, not cutting the sides of the canal vertically to the bottom of it suggests a lack of foresight :-\
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My point was the running aground bit...
Given the shape of most large modern ships, not cutting the sides of the canal vertically to the bottom of it suggests a lack of foresight :-\
You know it was built in the 1860s?
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2016 where she got stuck ;)
She would almost touch the sides transiting the old part, so even with full rudder she wouldn't have got stuck...
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Agencyski driver :D ;D
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Total power loss (blackout) and too slow to aux steering. Last rudder correction still applied and momentum caused it to ground.
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Total power loss (blackout) and too slow to aux steering. Last rudder correction still applied and momentum caused it to ground.
That explains everything except the running aground... There shouldn't have been anything shallow enough to hit... She'd have simply bounced back into the channel.
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Total power loss (blackout) and too slow to aux steering. Last rudder correction still applied and momentum caused it to ground.
That explains everything except the running aground... There shouldn't have been anything shallow enough to hit... She'd have simply bounced back into the channel.
Its very difficult and expensive to keep the shores vertical, hence like most canals, this has the profile of, errr, a canal.
It probably reduced damage to the ship as well, as I suspect it still would have hit the sides, even if the edges were deep enough, but with more force.
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I have some Lipos on a slow boat from China. Hope they are now queued up behind it :D
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Total power loss (blackout) and too slow to aux steering. Last rudder correction still applied and momentum caused it to ground.
That explains everything except the running aground... There shouldn't have been anything shallow enough to hit... She'd have simply bounced back into the channel.
Its very difficult and expensive to keep the shores vertical, hence like most canals, this has the profile of, errr, a canal.
It probably reduced damage to the ship as well, as I suspect it still would have hit the sides, even if the edges were deep enough, but with more force.
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Spot on TB there was an expert on one of the SKY channels last night who explained precisely how this incident occurred & the problems associated with "the canal".
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It's hardlyy thhe Ribble Link ;D
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Total power loss (blackout) and too slow to aux steering. Last rudder correction still applied and momentum caused it to ground.
That explains everything except the running aground... There shouldn't have been anything shallow enough to hit... She'd have simply bounced back into the channel.
As stated further on this thread the sides are not vertical and it looks like the bulbous bow hit first and the rest of the ship would pivot on that point.
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I understand the physics of it ;)
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the owner has said sorry ..... :y
I just remember everything being covered in red sand for ages after going through the Suez Canal ::)
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I understand the physics of it ;)
Loss of power being the biggest issue. Everything else being a secodary inconvenience.
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It's obvious these things are GIGANTIC, but when you compare the size of the ship to the Excavator at the bow, it's mind boggling.
(https://i.ibb.co/MPz1B7g/Suez.png) (https://ibb.co/JrYp3Hc)
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Credit where it's due...
Running aground in an arrow straight, man made trench is quite some achievement. :D
Person of non specific gender made :y
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I went alonga road that ran beside the Suez canal in Egypt about 20 years ago.
It was weird looking up at the ships on the canal because the road was lower than the canal was.
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Credit where it's due...
Running aground in an arrow straight, man made trench is quite some achievement. :D
Person of non specific gender made :y
Egypt is old school... women don't work out side of the home. And if they did, it wouldn't be digging ;)
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Credit where it's due...
Running aground in an arrow straight, man made trench is quite some achievement. :D
Person of non specific gender made :y
Egypt is old school... women don't work out side of the home. And if they did, it wouldn't be digging ;)
Or piloting a container ship.
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Could be days or weeks to release it. Gulp.
Where is Alan Sugar and the Apprentice when you need a job doing?
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Could be days or weeks to release it. Gulp.
Where is Alan Sugar and the Apprentice when you need a job doing?
That lot couldn't find their way out of a car park. ::)
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Thunderbirds would soon have that shifted.
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Looks like it'll take a while ...
(https://www.aljazeera.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/000_96M347.jpg?resize=1200%2C630)
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Meanwhile, watch the price of fuel rise at the pumps. ::)
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They'll have to go "Round the Horne", like Kenneth. :D Well, Cape of Good Hope anyway. ::)
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(https://i.postimg.cc/76CCSkzp/165280183-10159352052394540-1431857425418379464-n.jpg)
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You know when you have failed your driving test from hitting the kerb on a 3 point turn----------
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Looks like it'll take a while ...
(https://www.aljazeera.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/000_96M347.jpg?resize=1200%2C630)
That looks alot more like the Ribble Link than I first thought :o
Surely shifting some ballast and reversing the ship off would be quicker that a bloke in a digger?
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Not according to Denholm(?) shipping, on radio 4 this AM, getting cranes that can reach 200'(?) to the site etc., will take a week or so.
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Not according to Denholm(?) shipping, on radio 4 this AM, getting cranes that can reach 200'(?) to the site etc., will take a week or so.
What are they hoping to lift? Supplies?
Main engine is nearly 80,000 hp, and the bow thrusters 3,400 hp each.
With a little creativity, she could be off in no time:
Empty barge alongside the starboard hull towards the bow as a fulcrum.
A couple of tugs on the port bow lines, one forward and one aft.
Starboard stern lines to the eastern bank and anchored.
Both bow thrusters to push the bow out, Main engine full astern at the same time.
Might not be pretty, but it would get it done.
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As I understand it these ships run almost fully loaded and so with minimal ballast - and just enough bunkerage to get to the planned destination so as to navigate the canal with the greatest profit.
The canal tugs have very limited pull/push ability and salvage tugs they most certainly are not.
Think landy defender with a winch on the back versus a full blown truck recovery vehicle.... ;D
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It was actually lost of propulsion power (these ships have the usual big engine driving the prop plus a set of other independent gen sets for hotel load and tunnel thrusters).
Throw in a cross wind and the fact that rudders are far from great without a prop running.....and you lose control.
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As I understand it these ships run almost fully loaded and so with minimal ballast - and just enough bunkerage to get to the planned destination so as to navigate the canal with the greatest profit.
The canal tugs have very limited pull/push ability and salvage tugs they most certainly are not.
Think landy defender with a winch on the back versus a full blown truck recovery vehicle.... ;D
This won't be reliable enough....Something Japanese may be required. ;) :D
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It was actually lost of propulsion power (these ships have the usual big engine driving the prop plus a set of other independent gen sets for hotel load and tunnel thrusters).
Throw in a cross wind and the fact that rudders are far from great without a prop running.....and you lose control.
Almost mr DTM. Generator/Alternator setup also will be providing power for lube pumps, coolant pumps, lighting in the engine space as well as the hotel side of air on, fridges, fresh water circ etc. A power blackout shuts down the entire vessel and if emergency systems don’t auto start quickly and the crew not quick to light the engine again, then it ends in tears.
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Their biggest asset has to be the power of the ship itself. It only needs to move enough to free the bow... once that happens, she can be set along side more 'conventionally'.
It was actually lost of propulsion power (these ships have the usual big engine driving the prop plus a set of other independent gen sets for hotel load and tunnel thrusters).
Throw in a cross wind and the fact that rudders are far from great without a prop running.....and you lose control.
QED :y
I suppose the real question then is: can propulsion be restored before a bloke and a bobcat can dig it out? The bow thrusters alone ought to be enough to shift the bow and/or the material it's sat on.
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It was actually lost of propulsion power (these ships have the usual big engine driving the prop plus a set of other independent gen sets for hotel load and tunnel thrusters).
Throw in a cross wind and the fact that rudders are far from great without a prop running.....and you lose control.
Almost mr DTM. Generator/Alternator setup also will be providing power for lube pumps, coolant pumps, lighting in the engine space as well as the hotel side of air on, fridges, fresh water circ etc. A power blackout shuts down the entire vessel and if emergency systems don’t auto start quickly and the crew not quick to light the engine again, then it ends in tears.
Not on these, the prime is shaft drive only and has no generation, the electrical is a DP2 so primary support systems run with loss of an electrical engine room, this includes diverse feeds to sub systems, switchboards the works. They are specifically designed such that a SPOF will not impact life support for the primary :y
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Their biggest asset has to be the power of the ship itself. It only needs to move enough to free the bow... once that happens, she can be set along side more 'conventionally'.
It was actually lost of propulsion power (these ships have the usual big engine driving the prop plus a set of other independent gen sets for hotel load and tunnel thrusters).
Throw in a cross wind and the fact that rudders are far from great without a prop running.....and you lose control.
QED :y
I suppose the real question then is: can propulsion be restored before a bloke and a bobcat can dig it out? The bow thrusters alone ought to be enough to shift the bow and/or the material it's sat on.
Sadly not, the tunnels will only be of the order of a few MW, never shift.
The only hope is dig the bow out, lose some weight, get a high tide and tug like hell
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Their biggest asset has to be the power of the ship itself. It only needs to move enough to free the bow... once that happens, she can be set along side more 'conventionally'.
It was actually lost of propulsion power (these ships have the usual big engine driving the prop plus a set of other independent gen sets for hotel load and tunnel thrusters).
Throw in a cross wind and the fact that rudders are far from great without a prop running.....and you lose control.
QED :y
I suppose the real question then is: can propulsion be restored before a bloke and a bobcat can dig it out? The bow thrusters alone ought to be enough to shift the bow and/or the material it's sat on.
Sadly not, the tunnels will only be of the order of a few MW, never shift.
The only hope is dig the bow out, lose some weight, get a high tide and tug like hell
I'm quite happy to offer a 'push' if it will help.... ::)
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They're going to need a bigger shovel then...
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Why not charter a plane & fly all the OOF experts out to assist ?
😂😂😂😂
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Why not charter a plane & fly all the OOF experts out to assist ?
😂😂😂😂
;D ;D ;D
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Why not charter a plane & fly all the OOF experts out to assist ?
😂😂😂😂
Do keep up Mick! :)
We live in a giant prison camp now as it's illegal to leave the country. :( ::)
I doubt there are even dispensations for OOF experts! ;D
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Besides, even arseholes are allowed opinions :-X
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Why not charter a plane & fly all the OOF experts out to assist ?
😂😂😂😂
Do keep up Mick! :)
We live in a giant prison camp now as it's illegal to leave the country. :( ::)
I doubt there are even dispensations for OOF experts! ;D
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I can sort it don't worry ,got a pal with a plane, he's been busy during the Pandemic but I'm sure an OOFparty of experts would take priority..😂
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Why not charter a plane & fly all the OOF experts out to assist ?
😂😂😂😂
Do keep up Mick! :)
We live in a giant prison camp now as it's illegal to leave the country. :( ::)
I doubt there are even dispensations for OOF experts! ;D
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I can sort it don't worry ,got a pal with a plane, he's been busy during the Pandemic but I'm sure an OOFparty of experts would take priority..😂
Great count me in then, I'll bring my bucket and spade! ;D
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Why not charter a plane & fly all the OOF experts out to assist ?
😂😂😂😂
Do keep up Mick! :)
We live in a giant prison camp now as it's illegal to leave the country. :( ::)
I doubt there are even dispensations for OOF experts! ;D
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I can sort it don't worry ,got a pal with a plane, he's been busy during the Pandemic but I'm sure an OOFparty of experts would take priority..😂
Great count me in then, I'll bring my bucket and spade! ;D
Don't forget your England vest and crocs :D
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Why not charter a plane & fly all the OOF experts out to assist ?
😂😂😂😂
Do keep up Mick! :)
We live in a giant prison camp now as it's illegal to leave the country. :( ::)
I doubt there are even dispensations for OOF experts! ;D
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I can sort it don't worry ,got a pal with a plane, he's been busy during the Pandemic but I'm sure an OOFparty of experts would take priority..😂
Great count me in then, I'll bring my bucket and spade! ;D
Don't forget your England vest and crocs :D
I have an image of me and Mick sat in deck chairs with a few beers 'directing operations' :)
You don't wanna do it like that Abdul! ;D
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;D
You don't want to do it like that... (https://youtu.be/eH56UOjDQ4A)
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Why not charter a plane & fly all the OOF experts out to assist ?
😂😂😂😂
Do keep up Mick! :)
We live in a giant prison camp now as it's illegal to leave the country. :( ::)
I doubt there are even dispensations for OOF experts! ;D
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I can sort it don't worry ,got a pal with a plane, he's been busy during the Pandemic but I'm sure an OOFparty of experts would take priority..😂
Great count me in then, I'll bring my bucket and spade! ;D
Don't forget your England vest and crocs :D
I have an image of me and Mick sat in deck chairs with a few beers 'directing operations' :)
You don't wanna do it like that Abdul! ;D
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I can picture it now Steve, I will print all the suggestions of how to shift it & we could go slowly through the list getting more pissed and not giving a f**k about the damn ship moving or not.
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Why not charter a plane & fly all the OOF experts out to assist ?
😂😂😂😂
Do keep up Mick! :)
We live in a giant prison camp now as it's illegal to leave the country. :( ::)
I doubt there are even dispensations for OOF experts! ;D
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I can sort it don't worry ,got a pal with a plane, he's been busy during the Pandemic but I'm sure an OOFparty of experts would take priority..😂
Great count me in then, I'll bring my bucket and spade! ;D
Don't forget your England vest and crocs :D
I have an image of me and Mick sat in deck chairs with a few beers 'directing operations' :)
You don't wanna do it like that Abdul! ;D
You'd be shouting at Dutch and Japanese salvage experts. Who would ignore you, because they actually know what they're doing....
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If they do they want to get their finger out and get on with it. ;D
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My missus was watching the news tonight & after watching the news said if that ship which is the largest of its type was a few metres shorter in length it woul be easier to move it, not a bad idea 😂😂😂
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My missus was watching the news tonight & after watching the news said if that ship which is the largest of its type was a few metres shorter in length it woul be easier to move it, not a bad idea 😂😂😂
Your missus may have a point, Mick. Not about making ships shorter, but maybe not allowing ones that size through the canal.
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It's the simple answer 👍
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Besides, even arseholes are allowed opinions :-X
No I'm not..... ;)
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Besides, even arseholes are allowed opinions :-X
No I'm not..... ;)
Ok, apart from us...
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Two ex colleagues are out there, five years of leading marine power system delivery for GE :y
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Two ex colleagues are out there, five years of leading marine power system delivery for GE :y
There's never a free deckchair... :-\ ;D
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Two ex colleagues are out there, five years of leading marine power system delivery for GE :y
There's never a free deckchair... :-\ ;D
Having been to Egypt, I don't think I'd want to return, even less so over the last decade or so. They don't tolerate foreigners.
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We were in and out in a day and that was enough. Coach to the pyramids / sphinx / Cairo museum to see Tuts treasures, and then back on the boat to Cyprus.
A day I wont forget for many reasons (especially the heat ! :o) but no way in the world would I want to spend any time there.
It seemed to be a filthy stinking hole for the most part, with each local having a slightly different con to try and relieve you off your cash and valuables.
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We were in and out in a day and that was enough. Coach to the pyramids / sphinx / Cairo museum to see Tuts treasures, and then back on the boat to Cyprus.
A day I wont forget for many reasons (especially the heat ! :o) but no way in the world would I want to spend any time there.
It seemed to be a filthy stinking hole for the most part, with each local having a slightly different con to try and relieve you off your cash and valuables.
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You're not wrong there my wife's brother who worked in Egypt died over there 2 years ago this week took ages to get his body back because we wouldn't pay extortionate amounts of cash to officials who were " well connected" their words not mine got his remains back in July, which I had to try & identify which was impossible so had to result in dental records.Vowed never to visit the place.
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We were in and out in a day and that was enough. Coach to the pyramids / sphinx / Cairo museum to see Tuts treasures, and then back on the boat to Cyprus.
A day I wont forget for many reasons (especially the heat ! :o) but no way in the world would I want to spend any time there.
It seemed to be a filthy stinking hole for the most part, with each local having a slightly different con to try and relieve you off your cash and valuables.
We did the whole Luxor to Aswan and back again, on the Nile. A shithole, but we had to do it as she has a fascination with ancient Egypt.
I remember the heat, the smell of Aswan (neat Benzine from the petrol), and having to lock ourselves in a McDonalds in Luxor until the police arrived.
We never carried cash in hands, bags or pockets, nor wore valuables, as you were guaranteed to lose it. A country with such riches should not have so many poor.... ...but to quote our (Muslim) tour guide, that was the trouble with their form of Islam - endemic laziness and corruption. And also the reason the boat only employed staff from sub sahara Africa.
But more pleasnt memories include some of the temples, and the west bank of the Nile including the Valley of the Kings. We also did a baloon trip as dawn broke over the west bank that was epic.
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It's happened again :o
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Shove the tiller over to the right and give it some beans ahead. It'll be on tother side of the channel before the person on the bank gets back on ;D
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I remember the heat, the smell of Aswan ....
I'd imagine it's similar to Karachi .... all sorts floated down the river while we were parked up there .... ???
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Saw kids playing in the edges of the Nile, while a dead Donkey floated past. ::)
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With all these row-boats being unable to make their destination.......... who's actually paying for it?
Logically, I'm thinking the Ever Given would be insured against late port-fee's, delayed goods, perished goods etc, as it's technically had an accident..... it cannot physically move.
What about all the others? Claim from Evergreen's insurance? Furthermore, do the Egyptian Government have a claim?
I suspect many of us have goods waiting in containers on those ships.... apart from getting a refund on the delivery charge, what recourse is there for the humble end-user?
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With all these row-boats being unable to make their destination.......... who's actually paying for it?
Logically, I'm thinking the Ever Given would be insured against late port-fee's, delayed goods, perished goods etc, as it's technically had an accident..... it cannot physically move.
What about all the others? Claim from Evergreen's insurance? Furthermore, do the Egyptian Government have a claim?
I suspect many of us have goods waiting in containers on those ships.... apart from getting a refund on the delivery charge, what recourse is there for the humble end-user?
Dunno.. :-\
But tell you what? I'm off out to stock up on bog roll tomorrow! ;D
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With all these row-boats being unable to make their destination.......... who's actually paying for it?
Logically, I'm thinking the Ever Given would be insured against late port-fee's, delayed goods, perished goods etc, as it's technically had an accident..... it cannot physically move.
What about all the others? Claim from Evergreen's insurance? Furthermore, do the Egyptian Government have a claim?
I suspect many of us have goods waiting in containers on those ships.... apart from getting a refund on the delivery charge, what recourse is there for the humble end-user?
Dunno.. :-\
But tell you what? I'm off out to stock up on bog roll tomorrow! ;D
Bog roll(and lots of other paper products) is made from timber from the managed forests that cover northern Europe. The reason why there was a scare for it last year started in Australia, which doesn't have a softwood industry and it's all imported.
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It's in their interests to get it cleared as presumably they can only charge for ships that actually get through the canal...
Imagine abandoning an artic across the Dartford Crossing tolls... They'd have it moved before lunch ;D
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It's in their interests to get it cleared as presumably they can only charge for ships that actually get through the canal...
Imagine abandoning an artic across the Dartford Crossing tolls... They'd have it moved before lunch ;D
I'll guess that the shipping companies pre-pay for transit through the canal. Even if that's a few tens of thousands of pounds, it will be refunded as the ship was unable to pass (much like buying an airline ticket, but the runway is unusable).
That's just a drop in the ocean... what about all the goods, the port fee's, the fuel costs, the staff wages?
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It's in their interests to get it cleared as presumably they can only charge for ships that actually get through the canal...
Imagine abandoning an artic across the Dartford Crossing tolls... They'd have it moved before lunch ;D
I'll guess that the shipping companies pre-pay for transit through the canal. Even if that's a few tens of thousands of pounds, it will be refunded as the ship was unable to pass (much like buying an airline ticket, but the runway is unusable).
That's just a drop in the ocean... what about all the goods, the port fee's, the fuel costs, the staff wages?
also modern shipping is run to very tight schedules, so there will be a number of ships that will miss their booked slots at various ports throughout the word. You can't just unload a fully loaded ship. The knock-on effects of this will continue for months.
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It's in their interests to get it cleared as presumably they can only charge for ships that actually get through the canal...
Imagine abandoning an artic across the Dartford Crossing tolls... They'd have it moved before lunch ;D
I'll guess that the shipping companies pre-pay for transit through the canal. Even if that's a few tens of thousands of pounds, it will be refunded as the ship was unable to pass (much like buying an airline ticket, but the runway is unusable).
That's just a drop in the ocean... what about all the goods, the port fee's, the fuel costs, the staff wages?
Refunded? Probably just a voucher valid for twelve months on any Suez Canal trip with a ten thousand shekel admin fee.
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"Bet you cant do a U turn in the middle of the Suez canal."
"Hold my pint."
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It's in their interests to get it cleared as presumably they can only charge for ships that actually get through the canal...
Imagine abandoning an artic across the Dartford Crossing tolls... They'd have it moved before lunch ;D
I'll guess that the shipping companies pre-pay for transit through the canal. Even if that's a few tens of thousands of pounds, it will be refunded as the ship was unable to pass (much like buying an airline ticket, but the runway is unusable).
That's just a drop in the ocean... what about all the goods, the port fee's, the fuel costs, the staff wages?
also modern shipping is run to very tight schedules, so there will be a number of ships that will miss their booked slots at various ports throughout the word. You can't just unload a fully loaded ship. The knock-on effects of this will continue for months.
Yes and no... The whole queue has been delayed so they'll all, more or less, be in order when they arrive..
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Has anyone else noticed that there are two ships stuck in the Suez Canal ?
One is called EVERGREEN and one is called EVERGIVEN .
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Has anyone else noticed that there are two ships stuck in the Suez Canal ?
One is called EVERGREEN and one is called EVERGIVEN .
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The M/V Ever Given happens to be owned and operated by Ever Green, a mahoosive shipping/distribution company in Taiwan iirc...
Ever Green decided that their corporate markings should include splattering the company name along the side of their ships in sodding great big letters as part of their overall corporate branding...
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Apparently the bow is wedged 15 metres into the mud/sand and it’s going to need a 33,000 draw pull to dislodge it! Good luck there because the most powerful tug in existence can only manage 423 tons, there’s a high tide due they say surely only buoyancy can get it out
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Apparently the bow is wedged 15 metres into the mud/sand and it’s going to need a 33,000 draw pull to dislodge it! Good luck there because the most powerful tug in existence can only manage 423 tons, there’s a high tide due they say surely only buoyancy can get it out
It's also beached at both ends - 76metres at the front - with the centre unsupported in a manner it isn't designed for. You can't dig that out easily. It weighs 250,000tonnes, is 60m wide, and 50 high above the waterline which means you can't 'just' drag it out even if you had the power and space available, and it can't be unloaded without building extensive cranes spanning the canal.
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Indeed that’s what I’m saying... what about temporary damming the canal in front of it big undertaking but safer? Oh update on the tug there’s a more powerful one now, the island victory, 477 ton draw pull.
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Freed and moving under her own power, with several tugs in tow to keep her in the channel ::)
Hopefully fuel will come back down a bit again :-\
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Sadly that’s a bit unlikely :(
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Freed and moving under her own power, with several tugs in tow to keep her in the channel ::)
Hopefully fuel will come back down a bit again :-\
Fuel never went up, did it? Certainly not around here.
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Stayed same price here too. Maybe increases feed in a week or so in arrears?
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Stayed same price here too. Maybe increases feed in a week or so in arrears?
Crude hasn't budged.
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It's gone up a couple of pence round here between my last two tanks :-\
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Ahh tanks are notoriously heavy on fuel ::) ;D ;D
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Ahh tanks are notoriously heavy on fuel ::) ;D ;D
;D ;D
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Freed and moving under her own power, with several tugs in tow to keep her in the channel ::)
Hopefully fuel will come back down a bit again :-\
Fuel never went up, did it? Certainly not around here.
Oil prices spiked when it happened, but quickly fell to original levels, as there is still low demand.
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Brent crude, the one that matters, has gone up $3 a barrel in the last month. At around $60 a barrel, that's around 5%.
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Ahh tanks are notoriously heavy on fuel ::) ;D ;D
;D ;D
It weighs as much as Omega :D
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The Evergiven far from being on its way is now officially impounded pending payment to Egypt of around £700 million pounds compensation.
That is a lot of money and a lot of delayed cargo! It is currently languishing in the Great Bitter Lake on the northern end of the canal. Very aptly named.
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The Evergiven far from being on its way is now officially impounded pending payment to Egypt of around £700 million pounds compensation.
That is a lot of money and a lot of delayed cargo! It is currently languishing in the Great Bitter Lake on the northern end of the canal. Very aptly named.
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Doesn't surprise me in the least, grease their palms with cash, we had all that nonsense when trying to get my brother in laws body home from Egypt a couple of years ago, one person knew someone "who was very well connected who could assist" corrupt bastards.
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The Evergiven far from being on its way is now officially impounded pending payment to Egypt of around £700 million pounds compensation.
That is a lot of money and a lot of delayed cargo! It is currently languishing in the Great Bitter Lake on the northern end of the canal. Very aptly named.
One helluva parking ticket! :o ;D