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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Diamond Black Geezer on 08 April 2019, 09:35:17
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So it's begun, today the launch of London's ULEZ (Ultra Low Emission Zone)
So the premise is to get rid of dirty polluting old cars in The Capital, to help improve air quality.
I throw open the floor... what do we think?
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I don't think what I think is printable ;D
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Couldn't stand driving..( well crawling) many years ago when I had work in South London. :(
Don't miss it and even if they paid me £25 a day to drive there I wouldn't go so the charge isnt going to affect me now ;)
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Did a check.....VXR8 OK, Both 3.2's OK 3.0 liable for the charge ermm :( ::)
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I think my Tata will be exempt from any charges.
It's very green and environmentally friendly. :y
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They would have to pay me to go into that disgusting sh**hole :P
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They would have to pay me to go into that disgusting sh**hole :P
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Keep London & that stupid Fu**ing Mayor , damn shi**ole of a place.
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It won't stop the fleets of old banged up sprinter vans delivering .com parcels, as they are all registered to his cousin.
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Which raises something of a 2-dimensional thinking on the part of government (surely not)
A VXR8 at 324 g/km gets in free, as its 'young enough'
versus a 2.5 CDX at 263.0 g/km pays, as its a 'dirty old' car
Why not base any charge on the vehicles emissions, rather than simply its age, and the 'dirty' assumption made therein. It’s patently obvious that a Polo 1.0 that’s just outside the ‘free’ age category will pump out less carbons than a Aston Vanquish just under.
You could put in your vehicle reg into a website, app, or post-pay using an ANPR-derived system, same as used in some car parks. That would tell you whether your vehicle is eligible, and more fairly, introducing a gradient system would in reality help. Maybe...
0-100g/km FREE
101-200 g/km £3
201-300 g/km £6
301-400 g/km £9
401+£12
Or thereabouts.
That’s before we actually take into account the real in practice reality of the situation. I give you 2 scenarios...
1984 Senator that kicks out a chunk of coal every mile drives in and out of the ULEZ covering 20miles.
2018 Hybrid spends all day in there, doing errands, visiting coffee houses, and vegan clothes shops, covers 200miles.
It’s clear that the latter is physically doing more ‘harm’ to Danny Dyer’s lungs than the former. However the Hybrid gets in free. Surely the physical amount of evil chucked out the tailpipe should be the issue.
A retired bloke who runs a classic Jensen, doing 3000m/yr is kicking out less harm to the planet than a Rep who does 80,000m/yr in a super efficient biturbo PHEV SUV thing.
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It's just another tax. It won't stop people driving into central London, they'll just have to pay for the privilege. The air will be no cleaner.
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Exactly. The worst of the pollution is probably caused by Buses and taxis anyway.
Apparently the worst pollution is in tube stations. My daughter who is asthmatic and lives in central London, says that she is ok walking around the streets but if she travels by tube she gets real problems.
It gives Little Tin Kahn a legacy though, I suppose. ::)
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I hardly dare make my comment for fear of being flamed.
They have got to do something. This is a start.
The nearest big city to us is Granada. Because of its geography it always has a highly visible pall of filthy pollution over it which shows up in official figures. I doubt you can see the same filthy pollution over London because of the relatively flat landscape.
The problem is of course trying to achieve change quickly and too late.
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I agree that something has to be done about pollution. I don't think this will work though. It will bring a lot of money into the coffers however.
Little tin khan said on tv this morning that it is to encourage people onto public transport. That is already hideously overcrowded and the pollution is worse than on the streets.
London is a good place to live if you want to make money and have plenty of nightlife options. It isn't a good place to live if you want good quality air, or good healthy quality of life in general.
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Raising the price of fags.
result - same amount of people smoking - but it looks like we're doing something to help health!
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[irony]
3.2 diesel pick-up truck = exempt
1.9 3-door astra = ULEZ charge
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We have had a thread on this before which quickly established most of our Omega's, including my 3.2, were exempt from the charge :D :D :D :y
So, if anyone who frequently drives into this charging zone want a big engined car that is exempt mine can be bought for £10,000 ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Please remember, you only pay if you go inside the A501, congestion charge zone,the full ulez from within the north/south circular doesn't start until 2021.
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The only places where I can smell the diesel fumes is train stations and busy bus routes.
Are they having to pay fines charges?
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I hardly dare make my comment for fear of being flamed.
They have got to do something. This is a start.
The nearest big city to us is Granada. Because of its geography it always has a highly visible pall of filthy pollution over it which shows up in official figures. I doubt you can see the same filthy pollution over London because of the relatively flat landscape.
The problem is of course trying to achieve change quickly and too late.
Exactly right. This will get people used to paying for using their own vehicle in central London. Then they can gradually increase the restrictions to reduce the wasteful number of vehicles in use. That's already happening from the increase of the LEZ and congestion charge. Although I can't understand why anybody would want to drive in London, when public transport is already better.
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Think of the poor little children. :'(
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Think of the poor little children. :'(
They won't be able to blame pollution for being under achieving.
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A 2 Door 2005 Euro4 1.2 Corsa Petrol on the LPG Register and gets the DVLA Bi Fuel Discount (130 Tax PA) is Exempt.
My 2 Door 2005 Euro4 1.2 Corsa Van Petrol on the LPG Register and No DVLA Bi Fuel Discount (250 Tax PA) is Payable.
All because its got no back windows, its not even a Commercial Vehicle, its a Car Derived Van >:( >:( >:(
....and theres me thinking this was all about making money off peeps driving in with dirty emissions,
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According to the DOE when I last checked all air pollution were falling except-NOX from diesels which was static. The current false narrative is due to the German tree huggers & influence on German national politics which in turn drives EU politics & policy. The high pollution fake news is about avoiding EU fines due to new EU much lower maximum pollution levels. :-[ :-[ :-[
https://uk-air.defra.gov.uk/news?view=238 (https://uk-air.defra.gov.uk/news?view=238)
The useless London mayor has raised GLC costs by 40% through staff rises and massive pay increases especially for senior managers. Indeed, a few weeks a go he had the choice of increasing London police numbers by 18,000 or spending it on other boondoggles & massive increase in trade union subsidies. Now with out of control crime & escalating murder rates in London, I'm sure you can guess his priorities, yes, correct, no police increases, but the Trade Unions will be just fine. >:( >:( >:(
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both mine are exempt a 3.2 and a 4.3 madness :y
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So you can still drive in to London & poison us all, you just pay £12.50 per day for the privilege.
Mine 08 focus St exempt
Hers 97 elite not exempt even though her emissions are lower.
Still on the plus side my brother is charging a fortune to service company air con systems as no one else will venture in to the crapital. I think it’s a revenue raiser to help the worse than useless mayor pay off TFL’s 1 billion pound debt
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According to the DOE when I last checked all air pollution were falling except-NOX from diesels which was static. The current false narrative is due to the German tree huggers & influence on German national politics which in turn drives EU politics & policy. The high pollution fake news is about avoiding EU fines due to new EU much lower maximum pollution levels. :-[ :-[ :-[
https://uk-air.defra.gov.uk/news?view=238 (https://uk-air.defra.gov.uk/news?view=238)
The useless London mayor has raised GLC costs by 40% through staff rises and massive pay increases especially for senior managers. Indeed, a few weeks a go he had the choice of increasing London police numbers by 18,000 or spending it on other boondoggles & massive increase in trade union subsidies. Now with out of control crime & escalating murder rates in London, I'm sure you can guess his priorities, yes, correct, no police increases, but the Trade Unions will be just fine. >:( >:( >:(
Is there anyone in power who, in your opinion, is not "useless", "corrupt", "treasonable", or a threat to Western democracy?
Then"GLC" was actually disbanded in 1986, with the introduction of the "Greater London Authority".
Perhaps you should read this before you rant anymore:
https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/finaldraftbudget_-_part_1_mayorsstatement_2019-20_final.pdf
18,000 additional officers! We're do you get that from Rod? The national call is for a total of 20,000 officers. In actual fact the "useless" London Mayor has actually budgeted for an extra 1,000 officers, not the " no police increases" you claim.
Yet again you go on a severely pessimistic rant about everything without knowing the facts! ::) ::) ::)
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Pot. Kettle. Popcorn...
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Looks like those of us who have V8 VXR8,s and Monaro,s are also exept from the ULEZ tax
Do we want to go there?
Maybe to blat through some tunnels hofficer :D ;D :o :y
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Would add I'm back at Uni studying... Automotive Design; so of course I have to be in the 'make the world a better place' camp, and that I am. At the same time adore classic and 'proper' cars (why run a 23 yr old 6cyl car if I don't?) and think its a two sided coin.
So...
a charge/tarriff/tax/encouragement against using higher polluting vehicles, thus reducing local emissions - AGREE
a charge based around the false assumption that any vehicle under a certain age pollutes less than any vehicle above a certain age - AGAINST
:)
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Would add I'm back at Uni studying... Automotive Design; so of course I have to be in the 'make the world a better place' camp, and that I am. At the same time adore classic and 'proper' cars (why run a 23 yr old 6cyl car if I don't?) and think its a two sided coin.
So...
a charge/tarriff/tax/encouragement against using higher polluting vehicles, thus reducing local emissions - AGREE
a charge based around the false assumption that any vehicle under a certain age pollutes less than any vehicle above a certain age - AGAINST
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Wrong. Raising revenue is not the same as reducing emissions.
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Would add I'm back at Uni studying... Automotive Design; so of course I have to be in the 'make the world a better place' camp, and that I am. At the same time adore classic and 'proper' cars (why run a 23 yr old 6cyl car if I don't?) and think its a two sided coin.
So...
a charge/tarriff/tax/encouragement against using higher polluting vehicles, thus reducing local emissions - AGREE
a charge based around the false assumption that any vehicle under a certain age pollutes less than any vehicle above a certain age - AGAINST
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Wrong. Raising revenue is not the same as reducing emissions.
Correct......they may not be mutually exclusive though. :)
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And in addition to my previous post, this is the statement issued by the Mayor of London in response to a petition, which I for one signed, for him and Amber Rudd to act on working towards tackling London's increasing gun and knife crime:
"Sadiq Khan’s response
Sadiq Khan
Mayor of London
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10 APR 2019 — Dear Petitioner,
Thank you for the petition submitted on the change.org website about your concerns around rising knife crime.
The Mayor understands your concerns and has made tackling violence a key priority. He has been clear that the levels of violence, which have risen in London and around the country, are too high. Every life lost to violence is a tragedy and every injury has serious impacts on those affected and touches London’s wider communities.
The Mayor has urged the Government to reverse the £850 million of cuts forced on the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS), because of Government underfunding. The MPS has already had to make significant cuts since 2013-14 and will be required to reduce expenditure by a further £263 million by 2022-23.
To make up for these cuts the Mayor has recently announced through his budget that he will be giving an additional £234 million for policing and tackling crime. This includes the £95 million announced earlier in the budget process which has been funded mostly from an 11% increase to the Mayor’s council tax policing precept which is an equivalent of 46p a week. These funds will be used to enable the police to carry out the vital work of protecting our city, through initiatives like the Violent Crime Task Force (VCTF) which enables the MPS to be even more proactive on the streets of the capital, bearing down on violent crime and serious criminality.
The VCTF has already achieved a number of successes, between its launch in in April 2018 and February 2019, the taskforce has carried out 5,910 weapons sweeps, recovered 610 knives, 450 offensive weapons, 230 firearms and arrested 3,049 suspects.
However, the Mayor is aware that enforcement is not the only solution and therefore he has committed £6.8 million to establish a Violence Reduction Unit (VRU). The VRU will include specialists in health, youth and social services to lead a long-term public health approach to tackle the causes of violent crime. The VRU will build on the approaches taken in Glasgow, where a similar approach has delivered large reductions in violence over the past decade.
In addition, the Mayor has also created the Young Londoners Fund (YLF) to help London’s children and young people fulfil their potential, particularly those at risk of getting caught up in crime. The Mayor’s initial investment of £45 million into the YLF will support a range of education, sport and cultural activities for children and young people, at a time when government cuts have had a devastating impact on the preventative and youth services which we need to keep our city safe.
Finally, the Mayor’s ongoing social media campaign LondonNeedsYouAlive #LNYA raises awareness of the consequences of knife crime and provides reassurance and advice for people who are concerned about someone’s involvement in knife crime. A toolkit has been developed for schools, colleges, community groups, parents and others to make use of the campaign’s materials. More details about this, and other work carried out by the Mayor’s Office, can be found on the City Hall website through the following link: www.london.gov.uk/london-needs-you-alive.
Taken together, this short-term enforcement by the police and long-term preventative activity in London will deliver a relentless focus on tackling knife crime and violence across the capital.
Once again, thank you for petitioning about this important issue. I hope that this provides some reassurance that the Mayor is committed to doing all he can to tackle the rise in knife crime in London and making London an even safer place for all.
Yours sincerely
Public Liaison Unit
Greater London Authority"
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So, once more I would stress that the mayor is not "useless" and is in fact actively spending additional funds in his budget to increase police numbers (not enough of other leaders are actually doing this) and other initiatives to tackle the challenge.
But, hey, let's not let facts get in the way of being negative and insulting!
Some of us actually make an effort to take the practical action we can and not print untruths/twaddle whilst doing nothing to help ::) ::) ::)
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Nothing more than political rhetoric and pacifying drivel served on an undertone of patronizing contempt.
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Nothing more than political rhetoric and pacifying drivel served on an undertone of patronizing contempt.
As cynical as ever ::) ::) ;D ;D ;)
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Not at all. It read like a manifesto pledge. When's he up for
reelection removal?
Only 13 months left... ::)
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Not at all. It read like a manifesto pledge. When's he up for reelection removal?
Only 13 months left... ::)
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The sooner he goes the better, a very dangerous man is my opinion & nothing will change that.
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So one of my neighbours boys is an electrician & has given me a breakdown of how much it is going to cost him to work in Westminster for a week
Congestion charge. £11.50 per day
Ulez £12.50 per day
Parking diesel van in area £55.30 per day as diesel vans pay more per hour for 7 hours
Total he spends out before earning £396.50 per week
Good to see Sadiq Kant is doing a grand job, Crossrail, Woolwich ferry & as long as he throws money various different initiatives to tackle knife crime all is well :(
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So one of my neighbours boys is an electrician & has given me a breakdown of how much it is going to cost him to work in Westminster for a week
Congestion charge. £11.50 per day
Ulez £12.50 per day
Parking diesel van in area £55.30 per day as diesel vans pay more per hour for 7 hours
Total he spends out before earning £396.50 per week
Good to see Sadiq Kant is doing a grand job, Crossrail, Woolwich ferry & as long as he throws money various different initiatives to tackle knife crime all is well :(
You're not telling me he's actually going to turn up for work without passing those charges on?
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Presumably that's why everything costs so much in Lundun ::)
Legalized racketeering is all the congestion charge et al are :-X
Not saying that the Krays and their ilk were any different, but at least they made no bones about their business and their patches were orderly places where people could actually live safely.
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So one of my neighbours boys is an electrician & has given me a breakdown of how much it is going to cost him to work in Westminster for a week
Congestion charge. £11.50 per day
Ulez £12.50 per day
Parking diesel van in area £55.30 per day as diesel vans pay more per hour for 7 hours
Total he spends out before earning £396.50 per week
Good to see Sadiq Kant is doing a grand job, Crossrail, Woolwich ferry & as long as he throws money various different initiatives to tackle knife crime all is well :(
You're not telling me he's actually going to turn up for work without passing those charges on?
He will pass the charges on to his client who is a major bank so no probs, but that’s not the point. Instead of beating the motorist to death financially because London streets can’t cope with traffic flow the congestion charge was introduced in the hope it will cut down on congestion, didn’t work, then they introduce cycle lanes cutting road capacity for those who travel in the hope more people will cycle to work, result, more cyclists were killed by lorries at junctions as the drivers could not see them, then they realise that dedicating one lane of a two lane highway to cyclists increases pollution as motorists cannot drift in to cycle lanes for fear of being prosecuted by London’s many cash raising cameras so they sit in even longer traffic jams creating breathing problems for the few that can afford to live & work there, so hello Ulez zone, just wondering what charge they will dream up next for us drivers :(
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So one of my neighbours boys is an electrician & has given me a breakdown of how much it is going to cost him to work in Westminster for a week
Congestion charge. £11.50 per day
Ulez £12.50 per day
Parking diesel van in area £55.30 per day as diesel vans pay more per hour for 7 hours
Total he spends out before earning £396.50 per week
Good to see Sadiq Kant is doing a grand job, Crossrail, Woolwich ferry & as long as he throws money various different initiatives to tackle knife crime all is well :(
You're not telling me he's actually going to turn up for work without passing those charges on?
He will pass the charges on to his client who is a major bank so no probs, but that’s not the point. Instead of beating the motorist to death financially because London streets can’t cope with traffic flow the congestion charge was introduced in the hope it will cut down on congestion, didn’t work, then they introduce cycle lanes cutting road capacity for those who travel in the hope more people will cycle to work, result, more cyclists were killed by lorries at junctions as the drivers could not see them, then they realise that dedicating one lane of a two lane highway to cyclists increases pollution as motorists cannot drift in to cycle lanes for fear of being prosecuted by London’s many cash raising cameras so they sit in even longer traffic jams creating breathing problems for the few that can afford to live & work there, so hello Ulez zone, just wondering what charge they will dream up next for us drivers :(
I lived there, hence drove there, for almost ten years. That was almost thirty years ago, and it was horrendous even then. TFL should be made to run an all electric fleet of buses and taxi drivers should be given a financial incentive to switch to hybrid/electric. That would be a good start.
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Making them pay the congestion charge and emissions charge would be a good start.
Adding £9k to their annual license fee would do it* :y
*Might be against their uman rights, but a bit of apoplexia every once in a while is good for the soul ;D
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I've posted this before, but it bears repeating:
we are going to have to accept that our use of vehicles, particularly personal ones, is not sustainable. It hasn't been for a while, but the emotional response to this problem shows that we won't accept it without a big change. And that will be worse than us doing it willingly. Reducing the amount of vehicles in cities must happen, and charging for their use is the way to start doing this.
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The London Mayor is on the cull list. But not because of this, because I never, ever, ever want to go to London. Who would.
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Of course, there was a time when a tradesman like an electrician would have turned up with a tool box. Now they seem to need a whole van full of junk to do the same job, as evidenced every time an estate of new
houses rabbit hutches goes up and you can't park for miles around the site. ::)
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The London Mayor is on the cull list. But not because of this, because I never, ever, ever want to go to London. Who would.
I have no choice!
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I think next time I'll go for something less polarising, like Brexit, is there a God, or start a 0-60 thread :D
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Ive pretty much always worked in and around London here and there, back in the 80s it was good fun if you knew your way around back streets and short cuts, you could actually get from A to B in a reasonable time, Night Life wasnt bad either if you were in the right place.
In the 90's it all started to go down hill and early 2000 became a right shite hole, as for today words just fail me, cant wait to get out of the place.
Trump had the right idea with The Wall, only wrong place, they should build a big Wall around it, lock the Gates and through away the key and let the place just fester in its own rot.
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Ive pretty much always worked in and around London here and there, back in the 80s it was good fun if you knew your way around back streets and short cuts, you could actually get from A to B in a reasonable time, Night Life wasnt bad either if you were in the right place.
In the 90's it all started to go down hill and early 2000 became a right shite hole, as for today words just fail me, cant wait to get out of the place.
Trump had the right idea with The Wall, only wrong place, they should build a big Wall around it, lock the Gates and through away the key and let the place just fester in its own rot.
Yes, it's very.......erm.......multicultural, isn't it? :-X
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Or the 50/60s, Zirk, when the streets were black and white - and the people weren't!
Ron.
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Or the 50/60s, Zirk, when the streets were black and white - and the people weren't!
Ron.
I remember my old headmaster saying during assembly how lucky we all were to attend a school without coloured children.
Nobody thought his comments unusual.
How times change.
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Of course he wouldn't/couldn't say that nowadays - but mainly because you couldn't find such a school now!
Ron.
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Trump had the right idea with The Wall, only wrong place, they should build a big Wall around it, lock the Gates and throw away the key and let the place just fester in its own rot. let them stay in the EU.
FTFY Zirk, but it amounts to much the same thing! ;) ;D
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Either or ;D
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Ive pretty much always worked in and around London here and there, back in the 80s it was good fun if you knew your way around back streets and short cuts, you could actually get from A to B in a reasonable time, Night Life wasnt bad either if you were in the right place.
In the 90's it all started to go down hill and early 2000 became a right shite hole, as for today words just fail me, cant wait to get out of the place.
Trump had the right idea with The Wall, only wrong place, they should build a big Wall around it, lock the Gates and through away the key and let the place just fester in its own rot.
Then send for Snake Pliskin.