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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Andy B on 12 June 2017, 23:19:48
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I know its a few years old now, but I watched this late last night ...... an unbelievable attitude towards safety ... or lack of.
Worth an hour ...... http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x14el38_grand-prix-the-killer-years-documentary_auto
just horrific in places
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Wrong place Andy,tut tut :D ;)
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Wrong place Andy,tut tut :D ;)
Why? Formula 1 is about cars isn't it? :P
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Wrong place Andy,tut tut :D ;)
Why? Formula 1 is about cars isn't it? :P
Ah go on then ;D
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Wrong place Andy,tut tut :D ;)
Why? Formula 1 is about cars isn't it? :P
Ah go on then ;D
Anyway ...... if you've not seen it, as tragic as it is, it's worth watching. :y
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Seen it at least 3 times now, but am still shocked and horrified each time I see the footage of David Purley desperately trying to help Roger Williamson.
Not for the faint hearted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdkH3X0XIvU
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Seen it at least 3 times now, but am still shocked and horrified each time I see the footage of David Purley desperately trying to help Roger Williamson.
Not for the faint hearted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdkH3X0XIvU
that was shocking,not seen that one before :'(
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Seen it at least 3 times now, but am still shocked and horrified each time I see the footage of David Purley desperately trying to help Roger Williamson.
Not for the faint hearted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdkH3X0XIvU
that was shocking,not seen that one before :'(
Likewise :( :'(
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Found the comments at the start chilling, "they just threw a blanket over the car, the race carried on"
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As a kid I always remember Jackie Stewart leading the race from start to finish. He was a great driver although by his own admission probably not as good as Jim Clark.
However, In my opinion his piety got the better of him when it came to safety. Do we really want to make every activity 'risk free'?
The inherent danger is part of the attraction.
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That's the way it was then. The world is a very different place nowadays.
David Purley later had a big accident which was so bad it got him into the Guiness book of records for surviving the 179 g impact ! It shattered his legs (among other things) and this finished his career. The car was so badly mangled it became an exhibit at the Donington museum.
He then took up flying Pitt special stunt planes and was killed when he crashed one of them.
Not a very good pic, but it clearly shows the whole drivers cockpit isn't there any more. The front wheels are where the driver sits.
http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=87672
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As a kid I always remember Jackie Stewart leading the race from start to finish. He was a great driver although by his own admission probably not as good as Jim Clark.
However, In my opinion his piety got the better of him when it came to safety. Do we really want to make every activity 'risk free'?
The inherent danger is part of the attraction.
In his day it was almost akin to becoming a kamikaze pilot. Racing drivers were expendable commodities and when one was killed they just put another one in the car without a second thought. Colin Chapman had a reputation of being pretty heartless about it, although the death of Clark affected him as everyone was in awe of him. Clark was the Senna of the 60,s.
Things had to change, and Stewart was a brave man to take on all the vested interest to do it. It did imo go too far though.
This was never clearer than during the Schumacher era when he regularily pulled cynical brutal moves on people which might well have got him and them killed previously, and should have had no place in open wheel racing. He seemed to think it wasn't possible to get hurt and had no respect for anyones safety imo.
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As a kid I always remember Jackie Stewart leading the race from start to finish. He was a great driver although by his own admission probably not as good as Jim Clark.
However, In my opinion his piety got the better of him when it came to safety. Do we really want to make every activity 'risk free'?
The inherent danger is part of the attraction.
It wasn't just the safety on the track. Stewart talks about borrowing spanners from spectators to remove him from the car & drivers being taken by part time ambulance drivers to a hospital that was shut.
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Seen it at least 3 times now, but am still shocked and horrified each time I see the footage of David Purley desperately trying to help Roger Williamson.
Not for the faint hearted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdkH3X0XIvU
that was shocking,not seen that one before :'(
Likewise :( :'(
Pulling Lorenzo Bandini (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorenzo_Bandini) from a burning car was pretty horrific too .... just after 20 mins
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As a kid I always remember Jackie Stewart leading the race from start to finish. He was a great driver although by his own admission probably not as good as Jim Clark.
However, In my opinion his piety got the better of him when it came to safety. Do we really want to make every activity 'risk free'?
The inherent danger is part of the attraction.
It wasn't just the safety on the track. Stewart talks about borrowing spanners from spectators to remove him from the car & drivers being taken by part time ambulance drivers to a hospital that was shut.
Yep, Sid Watkins' book talks about this, and is a good read. It's almost as if it didn't occur to them that they might benefit from as much as a st. John's ambulance parked up at the track just in case. :o
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My Mum was one of the St John's crew that took Stirling Moss from his near fatal crash at Goodwood...
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This is a great watch. Seen it a few times now. There's some very scary stuff in it. Definitely not for the faaint hearted.
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Seen it at least 3 times now, but am still shocked and horrified each time I see the footage of David Purley desperately trying to help Roger Williamson.
Not for the faint hearted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdkH3X0XIvU
Hate seeing that footage as Roger Williamson was a good mate when I lived in Leicester in the 60s, and we had kept in touch up until his death. I had raced against him on a number of times when he was running his Holbay Anglia in the 60s, in my Cooper S, and managed to beat him a couple of times. Certainly not a nice way to go - full marks to David Purley for his efforts - the mashalls at Zandvoort seemed particularly inept!
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I have a tape of real old time racing[20's/30's]when they carried riding mechanics.Drivers didn't use to strap themselves into cars reasoning that they stood a better chance of survival by being thrown clear of a crashed car than being strapped in [a possibly burning]wreck.Pat of the footage is quite amusing[for want of a better expression]where a car pulls into the pits for fuel and two blokes in flat caps and brown smock coats bung a funnel into the filler neck and pour fuel in from what looks to be a milk churn and both of them have got Woodbines[other cig brands were available]on the go :D :D ;D
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I have a tape of real old time racing[20's/30's]when they carried riding mechanics.Drivers didn't use to strap themselves into cars reasoning that they stood a better chance of survival by being thrown clear of a crashed car than being strapped in [a possibly burning]wreck.Pat of the footage is quite amusing[for want of a better expression]where a car pulls into the pits for fuel and two blokes in flat caps and brown smock coats bung a funnel into the filler neck and pour fuel in from what looks to be a milk churn and both of them have got Woodbines[other cig brands were available]on the go :D :D ;D
Health and Safety is fine when kept at a low level. I wouldn't send anyone down a mine filled with gas without a canary. :)
Health and Safety 'gone mad' is a different thing altogether. :-\