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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Sir Tigger KC on 21 September 2020, 19:48:27
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You have to feel for the poor Yanks, who for their next President have to choose between an elderly chap who is fairly incoherent and thinks that 200 million Americans have died of the corona virus......... ::)
And Donald Trump!! ;D
Opps wrong section.... :-[ Perhaps one of those nice Admin Chappies could move it to the correct section please? :)
Or maybe I need sectioning! :-\ :D
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Only the Democrats could make Trump look normal. In fact, they're doing such a screwed up job, that Mike Pence will probably be President from '24-'32 ;D
It's obvious, but no one yet to really address it properly, but if, and this if is about the size of Canada, the Democrats won't win but as soon as he is inaugurated, Biden will step down for medical reasons leaving a deranged Napolean (the pig from Animal Farm, not the French Dwarf) in charge with either Bernice or Hillarious as VP :o
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Only the Democrats could make Trump look normal. In fact, they're doing such a screwed up job, that Mike Pence will probably be President from '24-'32 ;D
It's obvious, but no one yet to really address it properly, but if, and this if is about the size of Canada, the Democrats won't win but as soon as he is inaugurated, Biden will step down for medical reasons leaving a deranged Napoleon (the pig from Animal Farm, not the French Dwarf) in charge with either Bernice or Hillarious as VP :o
so you're saying he'll step down, and invite Trump back ??
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No, in the extremely unlikey case that he becomes President, he will have stepped down before February for medical reasons. Kamala would then step up as is the process and either Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton would suddenly become VP.
The Presidential debates are going to be horrific. In fact, Biden may well drop out before the second one :-X
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No, in the extremely unlikey case that he becomes President, he will have stepped down before February for medical reasons. Kamala would then step up as is the process and either Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton would suddenly become VP.
The Presidential debates are going to be horrific. In fact, Biden may well drop out before the second one :-X
Listening to Trump free associating is bad enough already.
He makes Johnson sound like an intelligent, articulate, world beating orator. Which is quite a trick.
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He is no politician, but he does get things done whether you agree with him or not ;)
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Oh.
I look forward to learning what they are.
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Biden has disgracefully interfered in UK politics in the last week, just like Obama before him did.
Another reason why I hope he doesnt win.
Trump may be an idiot, but the idiots who would like to replace him are in the process of destroying western society, without even realising they are doing it,
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Oh.
I look forward to learning what they are.
He hasn't started a war. He's been instrumental in getting various international parties to at least talk to each other.
He has reversed previous administration policies that were unworkable. He has actually gone ahead with most everything that he promised during his first campaign. And unlike the previous administration, he is a genuine patriot and actively respects the constitution.
Pretty much everything that he has been accused of was actually being done by the people accusing him, whether it be phone taps, colluding with the Chinese or Russians or Ukraine. Not that you'll see any of that in the msm :-X
In summary he has achieved more in four years than Joe Biden has managed in the last 47. Whether you like him or not.
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What a dilemma for the American people. :-\
The woeful choice between an elderly pussy grabber, or his democrat opponent who is even more elderly, and seems partially senile. ;)
America needs new blood.......a president in his forties or fifties is the way forward. But we are where we are.
If Trump wants more of the black vote he should make good use of Candace Owens and pretty brit girl Inaya Folarin Iman. Both these women have a 'can do attitude' and will appeal to black people who don't suffer with an ingrained 'victim' attitude.
Having said this they will also piss off many other black voters.......but they were never going to vote for the ginger pussy grabber anyway. :)
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In elections the people get the leader they deserve.
The people of the USA currently have the leader they deserve.
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He's totally nuts but entertaining 😄
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In elections the people get the leader they deserve.
The people of the USA currently have the leader they deserve.
Nobody deserved Sadiq Khan or Ken Livingstone :-X
Just because you don't respect the elected choice doesn't preclude you from respecting the process of democratic process...
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Anyone staying up for the debate tonight then? ???
Latest I've read is that Trump's team have denied a request from Biden's people, to split the 90 minute debate into 3 half hour segments with breaks in between, and Biden's team have refused to allow Trump's people inspect Biden for ear pieces. :)
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Anyone staying up for the debate tonight then? ???
Latest I've read is that Trump's team have denied a request from Biden's people, to split the 90 minute debate into 3 half hour segments with breaks in between, and Biden's team have refused to allow Trump's people inspect Biden for ear pieces. :)
If Biden wins, and he does indeed prove to be senile, then perhaps the democrats could replace him with that 'half white' fella. :)
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Anyone staying up for the debate tonight then? ???
Latest I've read is that Trump's team have denied a request from Biden's people, to split the 90 minute debate into 3 half hour segments with breaks in between, and Biden's team have refused to allow Trump's people inspect Biden for ear pieces. :)
If Biden wins, and he does indeed prove to be senile, then perhaps the democrats could replace him with that 'half white' fella. :)
Nah he was born in Kenya..... apparently! :D
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Anyone staying up for the debate tonight then? ???
Latest I've read is that Trump's team have denied a request from Biden's people, to split the 90 minute debate into 3 half hour segments with breaks in between, and Biden's team have refused to allow Trump's people inspect Biden for ear pieces. :)
If Biden wins, and he does indeed prove to be senile, then perhaps the democrats could replace him with that 'half white' fella. :)
Nah he was born in Kenya..... apparently! :D
I remember Trump insisting that Obama was not born in the good old US of A. :)
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And complaining about the amount of tax he (hadn't) paid. Ironically. ;D
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It was reported in March that Trump had donated the bulk of his presidential salary since taking office.
But why let that ruin a good argument. He was also shown to have paid considerably more tax that Hilary and Bernie combined in the run up to the 2016 election :-X
This NYT article has arguably been contrived to distract from the fact that the Biden family has financial ties to Ukraine, China and Russia... Not to mention the fact that the Democrats don't have a single policy beyond inciting anarchy whenever they don't get their own way.
The debates will be carnage.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/29/us/trump-750-taxes.html
It transpires, that he didn't actually need to pay the $750, not that that would ever be the headline.
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Well, that was interesting...
It would be fair to say that Biden was the more statesman like in the way that he respected the format, but that's about the only positive thing that I can say as his responses were all over the place.
Trump was his usual soundbitey self, and whilst he wasn't exactly gracious in his conduct, he was much quicker and more direct in his responses.
Obviously he didn't do so well with some of the questions, but, then neither did Biden even if for different reasons.
I think all in all that Trump came out ahead as, inspite of Batflu, he has tangibly achieved more in his first term than Obama/Biden managed in two terms and whilst his focus is on the economy and protection of American interests, Biden is only offering higher taxes to offset the socialist money tree. Both are very different... Biden is about as ineffectual as Charles Kennedy, and Trump struggles to separate his personal ideas from those of his office but this is probably because he isn't a traditional career politician.
The next debate between Pence and Harris should be interesting, as I suspect Harris will fare very badly.
And incidentally, according to Biden, Batflu is racist.
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I've seen a few snippets and I think I agree with the CNN reporter who live on TV described the debate as a shitshow! ::) ;D
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A very sobering prospect. These two men are the best that a huge country like the USA can put forward to "lead the free world".
Oh and don't think it doesn't matter. It does have a huge impact in Europe what these gun toting, serial liers say and do.
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In elections the people get the leader they deserve.
The people of the USA currently have the leader they deserve.
Nobody deserved Sadiq Khan or Ken Livingstone :-X
Just because you don't respect the elected choice doesn't preclude you from respecting the process of democratic process...
I don't live in or near London (or go to it if I can help it). It's like a different world, that there South East. We talk the same language, but live different lives. I think London too, gets the people in charge is deserves. If you don't like it, you can stand yourself (I assume that's still allowed ?) .
I honestly think the problem with politics is the political parties. I reckon they should be shoved off a cliff. Party politics is the problem.
Everyone should be an "independent", and that would force people to work together.
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I've seen a few snippets and I think I agree with the CNN reporter who live on TV described the debate as a shitshow! ::) ;D
Yes...very unpleasant exchanges.
I don't think they like each other very much. :)
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The biggest problem that Trump has, is that he was such an unlikely candidate, people still cannot believe that he is actually the elected President.
People, especially old school politicians, simply don't respect either him or the office he holds. And regardless of what you might think about Trump as a person, it is their (the Democrats) own fault that he was ever a candidate, let alone elected. If, as it seems, they hold the office and the country in such contempt, then they have no business even pretending to run for office... Which explains why Joe Biden is running... It's his last hurrah and will be a mediocre showing to end his mediocre political career. Both parties will have four years to formulate a plan to move forward after Trumps second term.
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How it should have been done...
https://youtu.be/Z97_qDsrqgU 8)
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I know I'm getting, hissed off with hearing about the bloody spankys election.. I couldn't give a hoot, it's in America. But I suppose it fills pages of toilet paper, so they don't have to report on the real news in our own country..
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People, especially old school politicians, simply don't respect either him or the office he holds.
Even if that is true, it's hardly a Dem phenomenon, as for respecting the office, Trump is on record as saying he won't be leaving the Whitehouse if he loses. Hardly respecting the process no? Or should only winners respect the office they hold?
As for the person, it's hard to respect someone who mocks minorities and the disabled, uses his office for personal gain and tacitly supports far right groups. His persona is simply that if a bully whose power and influence has taken him a very long way. On what basis does that demand respect?
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My point was that Trump has never been given any credit for being POTUS, either by the opposition or the mainstream media. Regardless of whether you like or agree with him as an individual, he IS POTUS, and was democratically elected as such. Four years in and you would think from the outrage that he walked in from The Apprentice yesterday afternoon. Biden is just as shitty a person as Trump... his idea of racial inclusion is to turn up at a Hispanic Memorial, announce that he likes Latinos and play Despacito from his phone and get back on his plane back to his basement... https://youtu.be/0Jd6gC1zuIA
Trumps comments on staying in office regardless of the outcome are based on the presumption that the Democrat extreme left will try anything to disrupt either the count or the electoral process as a whole, thereby rendering the outcome questionable if not nullifying it altogether. Whilst this may well be a slightly paranoid point of view, there is an active investigation into Ilhan Omar and other far left activists for wide scale voter fraud. In any case, it is accepted that the final count won't be in until well after election day thanks to Democrat held states allowing postal votes to be accepted upto a week after the date.
There is a process to be followed should the election result be contested by either side with Congress ultimately making the decision as per the 20th Amendment...https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-happens-if-the-president-doesnt-accept-the-election-results/ The result has previously been constested on a handful of occasions, in one case resolution was barely 48 hours before Inauguration Day
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Could be worse[or should that be better?]a Romanian town recently re-elected their mayor-as he'd made such a good job of it previously-and he'd died two weeks before voting took place yet still managed to get nearly two thirds of the votes :o :o
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This is what is actually happening in the US:
https://youtu.be/vhrZbZ4er3M
Trump has good reason to suggest that the election is being rigged.
Obviously the Grandiad and Sky won't bother to mention it. ::)
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Bit off topic, but this is OOF.
I see Trump has got to isolate for 14 days, with Mrs Trump,, Now what will they be doing,, Blue pills to Pennsylvania ave.
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Stolen from another forum .... but absolutely excellent (had to clean the screen and keyboard after reading it ! :) )
"As far as Trump goes...my thoughts and prayers are with the virus."
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:)
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Does anyone think this is just a trump hoax so he doesn't have to face Biden in another TV debate and make himself look like a boorish blow hole again ? the man is a proven liar and charlatan ,he has nothing to lose by keeping out of the media spotlight .
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Shame on you for even thinking such nonsense. The man is a god, a beautiful big god, bigger than any god before.
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Does anyone think this is just a trump hoax so he doesn't have to face Biden in another TV debate and make himself look like a boorish blow hole again ? the man is a proven liar and charlatan ,he has nothing to lose by keeping out of the media spotlight .
Trump or Biden? ???
Asking for a friend...
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Shame on you for even thinking such nonsense. The man is a god, a beautiful big god, bigger than any god before.
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Seen lots of men promoted to positions way above their capabilities over the years, Donald is one of them but he is very entertaining , and I actually had a bet with my drinking buddy earlier this week that Trump would announce that he had the virus within a few days , I could see this coming collect my £50 tomorrow..😄😄😊
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Shame on you for even thinking such nonsense. The man is a god, a beautiful big god, bigger than any god before.
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Seen lots of men promoted to positions way above their capabilities over the years, Donald is one of them but he is very entertaining , and I actually had a bet with my drinking buddy earlier this week that Trump would announce that he had the virus within a few days , I could see this coming collect my £50 tomorrow..😄😄😊
Every cloud has a silver lining , even covid !
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He has just been taken to hospital by Marine 1 helicopter. It could be fake news, or he could be worse than they are saying, but they are trying no to spook the markets etc. too much.
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Worst case, he falls over and Mike Pence takes over, wins the election and serves another two terms...
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Whilst not wishing to wish illness onto anyone, regardless of their political views ... I find it somewhat ironic that the professed "most powerful man in the world", (depending on one's point of view of course), who appears to have tried to deny the problem, has been laid low by a microscopic virus ..........
Seems to remind me of the final chapters of H. G. Wells and "War of the Worlds" ...........
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Whilst not wishing to wish illness onto anyone, regardless of their political views ... I find it somewhat ironic that the professed "most powerful man in the world", (depending on one's point of view of course), who appears to have tried to deny the problem, has been laid low by a microscopic virus ..........
Seems to remind me of the final chapters of H. G. Wells and "War of the Worlds" ...........
Also ironic that the three world leaders who played down the virus, Brazil's Jair Bolsonaro, our very own Boris Johnson and now Donald Trump have all caught it. ::)
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He will be fine. They will inject some dettol into him and he will be right as rain in no time. :)
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They'll take him out orders from China..
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Whilst not wishing to wish illness onto anyone, regardless of their political views ... I find it somewhat ironic that the professed "most powerful man in the world", (depending on one's point of view of course), who appears to have tried to deny the problem, has been laid low by a microscopic virus ..........
Seems to remind me of the final chapters of H. G. Wells and "War of the Worlds" ...........
Also ironic that the three world leaders who played down the virus, Brazil's Jair Bolsonaro, our very own Boris Johnson and now Donald Trump have all caught it. ::)
What do you do though? Play it cool and potentially suffer the consequences, or completely overreact and panic the shit out of it, again suffering the consequences?
Look at the state of affairs in Australia for example.
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Whilst not wishing to wish illness onto anyone, regardless of their political views ... I find it somewhat ironic that the professed "most powerful man in the world", (depending on one's point of view of course), who appears to have tried to deny the problem, has been laid low by a microscopic virus ..........
Seems to remind me of the final chapters of H. G. Wells and "War of the Worlds" ...........
Also ironic that the three world leaders who played down the virus, Brazil's Jair Bolsonaro, our very own Boris Johnson and now Donald Trump have all caught it. ::)
What do you do though? Play it cool and potentially suffer the consequences, or completely overreact and panic the shit out of it, again suffering the consequences?
Look at the state of affairs in Australia for example.
Well, seeing as by March we already knew that Covid was highly infectious, not going round shaking hands in hospitals might have been sensible? ??? ;D
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Whats the betting that if Trump succumbs that within weeks China release the antidote, er I mean cure
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Whats the betting that if Trump succumbs that within weeks China release the antidote, er I mean cure
I love a good conspiracy theory! :y
In any event though, Chinese biotech companies will have developed a vaccine long before their western counterparts and will find eager customers in the developing world. It will probably be offered as part of a package with Belt & Road Initiative debt trap infrastructure loans. :-X
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Maybe China had obtained Trump's DNA and the virus has been designed to knock him out quickly if he caught it. ???
The million or so who also died were just seen as collateral damage and any other troublesome world leaders who succumbed would be a bonus? ::)
Did I say I love a conspiracy theory? :D
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The Chinese are too busy releasing bubonic plague on itself to worry about the US ::)
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The Chinese are too busy releasing bubonic plague on itself to worry about the US ::)
I wonder what China's Christmas present to the world is this year.
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The Chinese are too busy releasing bubonic plague on itself to worry about the US ::)
I wonder what China's Christmas present to the world is this year.
Covid 2 ,the sequel
(not at a cinema near you soon because they are all closing down)
NOT readily available in the shops ...
schools
pubs
workplace
park
public transport
hospital
care home
i could go on ;D
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Donald Trump survived Covid coins are on sale now folks :y :-X
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Donald Trump survived Covid coins are on sale now folks :y :-X
Yeah right , he had covid , what was it , 2 days in hospital ? election scheming at it's worst
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Donald Trump survived Covid coins are on sale now folks :y :-X
Yeah right , he had covid , what was it , 2 days in hospital ? election scheming at it's worst
Why? Because Boris was laid up for a week? ::)
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He's strong mad & a liar of course he's had Covid 😄😄😄
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No more than any other politician :-X
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Washington Post is keeping track of his lies. 20,000 so far. Havent read it to verify it.
Each week , I do have a good laugh at Five fibs we were told this week. Trump always gets at least one in the list.
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You really should broaden your sources.
WaPo is about as reliable as Facebook... :-X
How many of these so called lies are from verified sources and how many were started by the Clintons or Obama? Everything that the Democrats accused him of without proof is actually being done by themselves. How far did his impeachment get? ;D
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I would suggest, in no particular order:
Ben Shapiro
Sydney Watson
TimCast
The Conservative Twins
Salty Cracker
LIberal Hivemind
Mark Dice
Dr Steve Turley (in small doses)
Kayleigh Macenay
Rebel News
Mayhir Tousi
Tucker Carlson
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You cannot defend the indefensible. The man is a serial lier. Just because other politicians also lie doesn’t make it right. Hey Ho.
Donald Trump
Once again we’re absolutely spoiled for choice over which Trump gem makes into our top five this week, but this one makes it for its sheer audacity and reality-denying chutzpah.
Earlier this week the president denied downplaying the threat of the coronavirus earlier this year – despite the existence of an audio recording of him stating he did just that.
The president participated in a televised town hall meeting on Tuesday with uncommitted voters, hosted by ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos, in a warm up two weeks before he faces Democratic nominee Joe Biden in the first presidential debate.
Taped at the National Constitution Centre in Philadelphia, it featured Trump taking questions from an audience of just 21 voters to comply with state and local coronavirus regulations.
It marked Trump’s first time facing direct questions from voters in months, and an opportunity for the Republican to test-drive his message before the critical debates.
In an exchange with one voter, Trump sought to counter his admission to journalist Bob Woodward that he was deliberately “playing it down” when discussing the threat of Covid-19 to Americans earlier this year.
Despite audio of his comments having been released, Trump told the voter: “Yeah, well, I didn’t downplay it. I actually, in many ways, I up-played it, in terms of action.
My action was very strong.
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I'm not going to validate that with a response.
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I would suggest, in no particular order:
Ben Shapiro
Sydney Watson
TimCast/TimPool
The Conservative Twins
Salty Cracker
LIberal Hivemind
Mark Dice
Dr Steve Turley (in small doses)
Kayleigh Macenay
Rebel News
Mahyar Tousi
Tucker Carlson
Don't Tell Mom
Edited for spelling correction.
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The difference between Trump and other politicians is that they are professional, career liars. He is just an amateur.
I dont have a lot good to say about him, but Im convinced the alternative would be worse.
Much like the Tories and Labour in the UK.
Biden interfered on our domestic politics a week or so ago in a disgraceful and threatening way, and for that reason I hope he loses.
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The difference between Trump and other politicians is that they are professional, career liars. He is just an amateur.
I dont have a lot good to say about him, but Im convinced the alternative would be worse.
Much like the Tories and Labour in the UK.
Biden interfered on our domestic politics a week or so ago in a disgraceful and threatening way, and for that reason I hope he loses.
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Got to agree with that, he in no way can be deemed a Politician he is as described yesterday a " complete buffon" who seems to think he can simply bluff his way through any situation, if people are foolish enough to believe this total charade that has just taken place more fool them.
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If he loses, then we're all completely screwed.
If you want an idea of just how screwed, look at California or New York or New Zealand or Australia.
The left are so determined to keep him out of power that they will literally screw the decent working class majority to do it. Nancy Pelosi, for example, has repeatedly refused to agree to a bipartisan bill to release a second wave of individual and business relief to support struggling business... Trump actually offered $5 Billion more than she was asking for... Her response? To shut down the Senate until after the election so that he can't look good. She has also tried to include a whole raft of laws within the relief bill designed to erode civil liberties, the extent of which make the Patriot Act look like a really good idea.
It might seem like an exaggeration to say it, but Trump is the last line of defence against Leftist insanity.
I just hope that he can get Amy Conan Barrett appointed before the election, because without her, the election will probably fall to the State courts, and there's already precedent for Democrat Govenors to overrule State Law (Michigan to name but one, where Govenor Whitmer lost a ruling to the court, and rather than appealing through the normal process has publicly stated that she intends instead to use any other means to delay and stiffle the ruling*)... if the election is nullified, then ultimately each state court gets one vote which could lead to a Democrat majority regardless of the Electoral College votes. And once that happens, they will do everything to ensure that the Republicans can never hold a majority ever again. If Trump wins, they will cry foul, but if he loses, there will be a second Civil War in the aftermath and could ultimately mean the end of the Union.
And if you thought the whole thing wasn't screwed up enough, the US is pretty much the ONLY democratic system in the world where voter identity is not verified.
Not that you'll hear about any of that in the Guardian :-X
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You have hit the problem on the head there. Same issue as in the UK.
Dear voter do you want the Loony left - vote here. Do you want the Radical right - vote here.
There is a certain irony in the UK that Corbyns manifesto of spending vast amounts of money was derided and yet now Johnson has spent maybe five times as much and no one has batted an eyelid.
I am always amazed that middle ground parties don’t do better. After all most folk (oofers excepted of course) arent raving right or left wing but folk who just want an easy life.
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That's the thing, it's not the radical right. The left is so far gone as to almost be Maoist, that anything central seems extremist.
Even the likes of Facebook have such a left wing bias... remember that you only see what they allow you... Non left content is deleted at ten times the rate of leftist content. Twitter the same where by uncorroberated and unverified nonsense is treated as gospel, yet anything conservative or against the establishment edict is marked as untrustworthy.
You can see just how desperate the far left is getting that the Corbynistas and Blairites are pushing anything to distract from the genuine issues. This is fast becoming a global problem and what happens in the US in four weeks is only the tip of the iceberg.
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That was of course the success (in an electoral sense) of Blair. He was a centre right politician who made left wing noises.
I do wonder if social media has exacerbated the right/left divide. After all, it's hard to make a nuanced point in 280 characters or fewer.
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That's the thing, it's not the radical right. The left is so far gone as to almost be Maoist, that anything central seems extremist.
But isn't that the exact bias you're accusing others of?
What actual Corbyn policies/manifesto pledges did you find so radically left wing?
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Most of the people in my list address this issue of social media bias.
It's also one of the reasons why Trump (and his team) tweet so much... whilst not being much of a political strategy, it is a proven marketing one.
And whilst you would think that it would be easy to get balanced sides of the arguments, you can't because almost all of the main stream media, including social platforms, are towing the safe, leftist line...
How else could Biden get away with suggesting that a political group that has been literally rioting across the country for over three plus months is a 'notion' ???
It's been four years since Trump was elected President yet the Democrats are still incensed by the fact that he had the audicity to even suggest running last time let alone winning.
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That's the thing, it's not the radical right. The left is so far gone as to almost be Maoist, that anything central seems extremist.
But isn't that the exact bias you're accusing others of?
What actual Corbyn policies/manifesto pledges did you find so radically left wing?
Can I say all of it? ;D
I honestly don't agree with most of the text, however 'reasonable' some of the words may seem.
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Well...
It looks like things are just starting to warm up somewhat...
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https://youtu.be/mP-hyDSlmUs (https://youtu.be/mP-hyDSlmUs)
Biden may be partially senile but the old boy likes his cars. :y
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That's the thing, it's not the radical right. The left is so far gone as to almost be Maoist, that anything central seems extremist.
Maoist? That redefines the proletariat as rural farm workers rather than industrial workers that Marx did? Seems a bit unlikely for a group that came up through industrial unions to me.
Or are you using it as another further left than I like the look of insult? The same muddled thinking that uses fascist when they mean Nazi.
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Marx taught Mao everything he knew...
Farms or factories doesn't really matter... The net result is much the same. ;)
The irony of Antifa's modus operandi is not lost on me.
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Dear God, Biden can't even remember who he's running against FFS! ;D
https://www.the-sun.com/news/1690426/trump-tweet-joe-biden-george/
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Dear God, Biden can't even remember who he's running against FFS! ;D
https://www.the-sun.com/news/1690426/trump-tweet-joe-biden-george/
I really don't understand how they've let him run ???
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Dear God, Biden can't even remember who he's running against FFS! ;D
https://www.the-sun.com/news/1690426/trump-tweet-joe-biden-george/
I really don't understand how they've let him run ???
It's really incredible isn't it that apparently the best two people to vie for the leadership of the great country and global super power that is the United States of America are Donald Trump and Joe Biden! ::)
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The telling thing is that his wife didn't even blink when he said it... Which surely makes her more screwed up than him
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Having watched both versions of the 60 minutes 'interviews', Trump makes a valid point about the behaviour of establishment media.
Full broadcast versions...
Trump https://youtu.be/FdAh2HJ98WE 20 minutes, only 4 minutes is Mike Pence.
Biden https://youtu.be/kSAo_1mJg0g 20 minutes
And the White House version...
Trump https://youtu.be/Kv2l49JFo0k 37 minutes
Pence https://youtu.be/EqcLKmYqGz0 14 minutes
Biden is clearly reading from a teleprompter and being guided through the foggier answers.
And the 'unsubstantiated' 'fabricated' claims about Biden:
https://youtu.be/woGyMvqLV5o
https://youtu.be/EqeO0ODwYCA
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At least Sky News Australia are actually reporting it as it is...
Formally https://youtu.be/47CZ8MfcsdQ
Humorously https://youtu.be/F9T_E7ZVAJs
To their credit, they are also having a proper dig at the the Victorian governments shambolic Batflu lockdown. Which is more than Sky News Uk would ever do :-X
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Dear God, Biden can't even remember who he's running against FFS! ;D
https://www.the-sun.com/news/1690426/trump-tweet-joe-biden-george/
I really don't understand how they've let him run ???
It's really incredible isn't it that apparently the best two people to vie for the leadership of the great country and global super power that is the United States of America are Donald Trump and Joe Biden! ::)
I’m afraid it is further evidence of how the American dream, the American century, and American power is in decline with real signs now of the potential “implosion” that has eventually overcome all empires throughout history.
It is for me, a life long admirer of the United States of American, with old American friends, now almost all departed, very sad to see this decline. It will be staggered, with no doubt some of the old American sparkle to come, but the trend is an unstoppable decline.
My old American, ex-military friends were always scathing about their political system, which is ruled by how much money is available to their politicians. Now I see what they predicted; money ahead of quality leading to the destruction of the American dream. :'( :'( :'( :'(
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Dear God, Biden can't even remember who he's running against FFS! ;D
https://www.the-sun.com/news/1690426/trump-tweet-joe-biden-george/
I really don't understand how they've let him run ???
It's really incredible isn't it that apparently the best two people to vie for the leadership of the great country and global super power that is the United States of America are Donald Trump and Joe Biden! ::)
You have got that right. Or maybe you haven't. It is all fake news and the proper contestants are to have a duel behind closed doors with semi automatic guns to decide the outcome. A lot ( and I mean a lot) cheaper than all this razz matazz. At least we could all respect the winner. ???
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Trump isn't a career politician, but he is effective.
The choice they face is pretty clear cut...
A straight talking gobshite that has spent his first four years in politics actually getting things done...
Or...
A career politician who has spent 47 years basically doing nothing, including an 8 year stint as the second in charge...
In other words, the only thing that has changed in the last four years is that...
Taxes are lower.
The US is energy self sufficient.
The Middle East is largely quieter.
The US military is largely back home.
The US economy is stronger than it was four years ago, inspite of Batflu.
The promised wall is almost finished. (granted, processing asylum seekers in a foreign country in such a direct manner is controversial, but it works for Australia and we're considering sending ours to St Helena :-X)
What's not to like? Unless you're Joe Biden or the establishment elites (Clintons/Obama/Pelosi/Schumer et al) and have been royally exposed for the money grabbing shysters that they are... ::)
Not that any of that will be in the news :-X
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Agreed. :y
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You missed off
Space Force
Obama care
Reshaping federal judiciary with lifetime appointments ( wtf)
Charlottesville and Floyd
Iran, Afganistan and Syria
National debt.
The economy
View of the USA by other countries
It s a mixed bag. End of term report is just mediocre.
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You missed off
Space Force
Obama care
Reshaping federal judiciary with lifetime appointments ( wtf)
Charlottesville and Floyd
Iran, Afganistan and Syria
National debt.
The economy
View of the USA by other countries
It s a mixed bag. End of term report is just mediocre.
You clearly don't understand how the US works. And you REALLY need to broaden you sources.
Space Force is an aside.
Obamacare didn't work... https://youtu.be/VnDs3gohjlM
Trump has removed the really broken parts and once the overall scheme is formally cancelled, he will replace it with a better scheme including better competition and therefore cheaper medication for all. Rest assured that it won't be taxing private medical insurance to pay for it.
Lifetime appointments to the Supreme Court is entrenched in the Constitution. Trump has been fortunate that he has had three Supreme Court vacancies to fill. Ted Cruz has alot of constructive things to say about the importance of the Supreme Court, so don't take my word for it (not that you would/should).
Regarding Charlottesville, all I will say is...
https://youtu.be/blmLVnnhNk4
He basically repeats word for word what he said three days previously. The words are there in plain English for those who listen >:(
George Floyd was only restrained on the ground because he insisted that he couldn't breathe inside the car, in no small part because he was in the throws of a drug overdose.
https://youtu.be/QnLnR0XtLIM
Derek Chauvin should NEVER have placed his knee anywhere near George Floyd's neck, but there's a reason why his charge has been reduced to Second Degree Homicide :-X
Iran and Syria are better behaved than they were, and alot of the issue there was Russia/Turkish involvement. Trump resorted to sanctions/negotiation rather than force. Up until last week, Afganistan has also been relatively settled, and that's only because IS have started getting antsy, and probably a direct result of what has been happening to the west and the global preoccupation with Batflu.
He promised to bring all the US troops home and is well on his way to doing that. Granted, there an internal issue dating back to 1967 that some parties in the Sudanese government aren't happy about with the latest deal, but Trump has brokered four Middle East treaties in the last four months. Hell, he's even kept Kim Jong in his box in the face of repeated Chinese provocation.
Is the National Debt pre or post Batflu? I woukd wager that it's lower today than it was in November 2016.
Ok, I will concede this point...
https://www.thebalance.com/national-debt-by-year-compared-to-gdp-and-major-events-3306287
It was $19 trillion in 2016 and $22 trillion last year. This year is through the roof, $26 trillion to Q2, but that's a direct result of Batflu. Let's see what happens over the next Term if he stays in. ;) I believe that it would have otherwise stabilised this year.
For the record, it actually grew by $9 Trillion under Obama/Biden, but again you won't see that in the news either :-X
The US economy grew more in the three years to February, than in the whole of the preceding 8 years. From the end of the Federal lockdown, it took a mere 57 DAYS to recover to the same level as the day before Lockdown. Unemployment grew from 11 million, significantly less than when he took office), to 22 million during Lockdown and it's now back down to 11 million. The only thing holding it back is Democrat run States keeping swathes of their economies shut. He has also encouraged US manufacturing firms to bring jobs home by scrapping NAFTA. This is as well as making the US self sufficient for fuel. Which it won't be should Biden/Harris turn the taps off.
The USA has always been perceived as the boisterous drunk cousin at a family barbecue. It's the epitome of the Free World, and is vocally proud of the fact, which offends those opposed to the concept of Capitalism and occasionally rubs its supporters the wrong way. Nothing new there.
Mediocre? Compared to who? Gandhi? ACB? ;D
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A couple of amusing attack ads from Trumpy's team. :) Imagine the leftie hoo haa if Boris had depicted Corbyn as a Zombie! ;D
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/biden-zombie-clip-goes-viral-trump-campaign-gambles-unconventional-ads-election
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Trump has an exceptional campaign team :D
Biden banning fracking clip was released before the debate finished ;D
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For me it wouldn't be a party political decision, it woukd be a decision about honesty and integrity.
I don't understand why any of the voters in the USA would vote for someone so clearly a bigoted, sexist, racist, le
Iyng criminal insane self serving psychopath
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It's all rather academic anyway as Kanye West has declared God has chosen him to be leader of the free world :-X
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It's all rather academic anyway as Kanye West has declared God has chosen him to be leader of the free world :-X
Which god ?
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It's all rather academic anyway as Kanye West has declared God has chosen him to be leader of the free world :-X
And 50 Cent said he doesn't want to become 20 Cent if Biden wins. ;D
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It is almost a summary of what is wrong in both the US and the rest of the world when the "slagging off" of the opposition with derisory, often totatly untrue "sound bites" or "clips" is now deemed to be "exceptional campaigning"
Truth, honesty, integrity ... who cares .. all that matters is proving how big a dick you are... and millions of "social media addicts" both in the US and elsewhere, not only actually believe it.... but thrive on it ...
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True dat. :y
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It is almost a summary of what is wrong in both the US and the rest of the world when the "slagging off" of the opposition with derisory, often totatly untrue "sound bites" or "clips" is now deemed to be "exceptional campaigning"
Truth, honesty, integrity ... who cares .. all that matters is proving how big a dick you are... and millions of "social media addicts" both in the US and elsewhere, not only actually believe it.... but thrive on it ...
Unfortunately, as a career politician, Biden has long proven that he is lacking all three. Not that Trump's much better, but at least he says what he means and does what he says...
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I reckon most of the US will be set on fire if Biden wins.
I reckon most of the US will be set on fire if Trump wins.
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I reckon most of the US will be set on fire if Biden wins.
I reckon most of the US will be set on fire if Trump wins.
Probably right, as BOTH sides have stated they will not accept the result if the other party wins !
and they call it Democracy ....... :(
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Trump has spent four years trying to defend being elected, whereas the Democrats have spent four years trying to obstruct his defence. They still cannot believe that 'We the people' didn't elect establishment royalty, and the suggestion that Trump could see a second term brings them out in hives.
If Trump loses, God forbid, it won't be because he hasn't tried...
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I reckon most of the US will be set on fire if Biden wins.
I reckon most of the US will be set on fire if Trump wins.
Probably right, as BOTH sides have stated they will not accept the result if the other party wins !
and they call it Democracy ....... :(
I think that the violence will be much worse if Trumpy wins as young Democrat supporters will properly throw their toys out of their prams. ::)
It's not Trump supporters that have spent the last few months trashing their neighborhoods after all. ???
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You know that if it does kick off properly that the Republicans will be defending themselves and their homes and business. :-X
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You know that if it does kick off properly that the Republicans will be defending themselves and their homes and business. :-X
Gun and ammo sales have rocketed in the last few months across the USA. :-X
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You know that if it does kick off properly that the Republicans will be defending themselves and their homes and business. :-X
Which will make it even harder to tell them apart from Democrats.
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Big difference between defending your own and destrying someone elses...
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I thought Trumps missus was wonderful with her speech very convincing..😄😄😄
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It is almost a summary of what is wrong in both the US and the rest of the world when the "slagging off" of the opposition with derisory, often totatly untrue "sound bites" or "clips" is now deemed to be "exceptional campaigning"
Truth, honesty, integrity ... who cares .. all that matters is proving how big a dick you are... and millions of "social media addicts" both in the US and elsewhere, not only actually believe it.... but thrive on it ...
Unfortunately, as a career politician, Biden has long proven that he is lacking all three. Not that Trump's much better, but at least he says what he means and does what he says...
Inclined to disagree with such a broad statement ...
Trump: "We've rounded the corner [on coronavirus] - it's going away"
The White House's top infectious disease expert, Dr Anthony Fauci, has disputed the president's assertion that the US is turning a corner, calling the latest statistics "disturbing".
Around 69,000 new coronavirus cases a day are being reported across the US, up from around 50,000 a day at the start of October, according to the Covid Tracking Project.
There has been a 6% increase in cases in the past week, and daily deaths are averaging just under 800.
Try asking the realtives of the 200,000 who have died in the the US if they agree with your statement .....
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Fake News. If Trump says we have rounded the corner on Corona virus , its going away, then it it will be true. The man never lies.
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Well not until he actually speaks that is. :D
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Fake News. If Trump says we have rounded the corner on Corona virus , its going away, then it it will be true. The man never lies.
At least he is trying to put a positive spin on the situation >:(
More embryos have been aborted this year than have died from Batflu. Perhaps we should shut the whole oppsing world down over that instead... ???
At nearly 35:1 in fact https://www.worldometers.info/abortions/ :-X
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It must be fairly obvious to anyone with an ounce of intelligence that absolutely nobody has a clue about this virus at present, every single day there are various theories, for anyone to say that we are turning the corner they must be a complete & utter idiot.
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I can think of one embryo that should have been aborted. ;D
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Isn't it over yet? ::)
With all the frantic media coverage you could be forgiven for thinking this was an election that we are actually eligible to vote in. >:(
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I can think of one embryo that should have been aborted. ;D
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Nice to see you back.
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I can think of one embryo that should have been aborted. ;D
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Nice to see you back.
Thanks, Mick. I promise to not to behave.
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I can think of one embryo that should have been aborted. ;D
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Nice to see you back.
Thanks, Mick. I promise to not behave.
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Sorry about your other half , hoping she has a speedy recovery.
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I can think of one embryo that should have been aborted. ;D
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Nice to see you back.
Thanks, Mick. I promise to not behave.
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Sorry about your other half , hoping she has a speedy recovery.
It was odds on she'd catch it, there was only one year group left in the school before half term. She's on her 8th day now and hasn't really had anything more than a sore throat and headache. She's up in the lads room while he's at uni, so almost completely cut off from me. I'm kind of getting used to it, and half term has been well cheap. ;D
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It is almost a summary of what is wrong in both the US and the rest of the world when the "slagging off" of the opposition with derisory, often totatly untrue "sound bites" or "clips" is now deemed to be "exceptional campaigning"
Truth, honesty, integrity ... who cares .. all that matters is proving how big a dick you are... and millions of "social media addicts" both in the US and elsewhere, not only actually believe it.... but thrive on it ...
Unfortunately, as a career politician, Biden has long proven that he is lacking all three. Not that Trump's much better, but at least he says what he means and does what he says...
Inclined to disagree with such a broad statement ...
Trump: "We've rounded the corner [on coronavirus] - it's going away"
The White House's top infectious disease expert, Dr Anthony Fauci, has disputed the president's assertion that the US is turning a corner, calling the latest statistics "disturbing".
Around 69,000 new coronavirus cases a day are being reported across the US, up from around 50,000 a day at the start of October, according to the Covid Tracking Project.
There has been a 6% increase in cases in the past week, and daily deaths are averaging just under 800.
Try asking the realtives of the 200,000 who have died in the the US if they agree with your statement .....
232,085 in fact. Or 0.0689% of the total population, of which 2.97% have been confirmed to have had Batflu.
Since January.
Or here... 45,385, or 0.067%
That's as a percentage of total population, of which 1. 47% has been confirmed to have had Batflu.
6, 7, 8 digit numbers make for dramatic headlines, but they have absolutely ZERO context.
But as long as the police get to spend Christmas raiding peoples homes, I am sure that everything will be fine :-X
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I blame 5G, all those waves going through what's left of my brain.
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I can think of one embryo that should have been aborted. ;D
Nah, I was found like this ;D
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It is almost a summary of what is wrong in both the US and the rest of the world when the "slagging off" of the opposition with derisory, often totatly untrue "sound bites" or "clips" is now deemed to be "exceptional campaigning"
Truth, honesty, integrity ... who cares .. all that matters is proving how big a dick you are... and millions of "social media addicts" both in the US and elsewhere, not only actually believe it.... but thrive on it ...
Unfortunately, as a career politician, Biden has long proven that he is lacking all three. Not that Trump's much better, but at least he says what he means and does what he says...
Inclined to disagree with such a broad statement ...
Trump: "We've rounded the corner [on coronavirus] - it's going away"
The White House's top infectious disease expert, Dr Anthony Fauci, has disputed the president's assertion that the US is turning a corner, calling the latest statistics "disturbing".
Around 69,000 new coronavirus cases a day are being reported across the US, up from around 50,000 a day at the start of October, according to the Covid Tracking Project.
There has been a 6% increase in cases in the past week, and daily deaths are averaging just under 800.
Try asking the realtives of the 200,000 who have died in the the US if they agree with your statement .....
232,085 in fact. Or 0.0689% of the total population, of which 2.97% have been confirmed to have had Batflu.
Since January.
Or here... 45,385, or 0.067%
That's as a percentage of total population, of which 1. 47% has been confirmed to have had Batflu.
6, 7, 8 digit numbers make for dramatic headlines, but they have absolutely ZERO context.
But as long as the police get to spend Christmas raiding peoples homes, I am sure that everything will be fine :-X
As you seem to like large digit statistics with little applied context .. try this ...
"USA has 4% of the world's population, but 20% of the deaths".
The US population is around 328 million, which is just over 4% of the 7.7 billion global population.
There have been over 225,000 coronavirus deaths recorded in the US, according to the latest John Hopkins University data. The total number of deaths recorded worldwide is around 1,161,000.
On this metric, the US accounts for over 19% of Covid-19 deaths worldwide, although the way countries record their figures varies considerably.
and this in what is supposedly the most advanced country in the world ..... A statement totally ignored by Mr Trump, as he does with anything he can't argue against.
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America will get the president it deserves. If the electorate vote Trump in for another four years, it will simply confirm, in my mind, that the decline of the nation is almost complete. Biden is pretty useless on his own, but he will listen to the group of advisers he installs. Career politicians, hopefully, not his son, wife, daughter, cousin twice removed.......
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Thought you had facked off and become a Trappist monk or something. :-\ ::)
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Thought you had facked off and become a Trappist monk or something. :-\ ::)
Hello Albs. A word of advice: If you're going to buy a hairdressers car, it pays to have some hair yourself. :y
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Why dont you far cough again and stay there this time. :P
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Why dont you far cough again and stay there this time. :P
You missed me terribly, dint yer? :-*
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Self delusion in the elderly is sad to see. :)
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Self delusion in the elderly is sad to see. :)
I'm more of a self abusing type of guy ;D
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So rumour has it. :y ;D
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So rumour has it. :y ;D
You tryin to say I'm a winker? ;D
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Um, well, yes. ;D
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America will get the president it deserves. If the electorate vote Trump in for another four years, it will simply confirm, in my mind, that the decline of the nation is almost complete. Biden is pretty useless on his own, but he will listen to the group of advisers he installs. Career politicians, hopefully, not his son, wife, daughter, cousin twice removed.......
Here's a link to the site I use for up to date figures, btw:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdvegas1?%22%20%5Cl%20%22countries
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America will get the president it deserves. If the electorate vote Trump in for another four years, it will simply confirm, in my mind, that the decline of the nation is almost complete. Biden is pretty useless on his own, but he will listen to the group of advisers he installs. Career politicians, hopefully, not his son, wife, daughter, cousin twice removed.......
Here's a link to the site I use for up to date figures, btw:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdvegas1?%22%20%5Cl%20%22countries
And here for Europe:
https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea
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In theory your right. For me though, the big picture is that the Liberal left are slowly destroying the Western world from the inside out. Probably with no clue they are doing it.
Trump is at least a bump in the road in that process, as is Brexit. Whether the pendulum can be swung back to the sensible middle position for good remains to be seen.
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If most of the (younger) population belong to the liberal left, then that's obvious the way things will go. But it will be a slow, and probably messy, process, nowt for you or I to worry about. Picture yourself as your own grandad, Albs, always worrying about how the world was going and hankering for the way it was/is. Life goes on, just not for much longer for me and you. ;D
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It is almost a summary of what is wrong in both the US and the rest of the world when the "slagging off" of the opposition with derisory, often totatly untrue "sound bites" or "clips" is now deemed to be "exceptional campaigning"
Truth, honesty, integrity ... who cares .. all that matters is proving how big a dick you are... and millions of "social media addicts" both in the US and elsewhere, not only actually believe it.... but thrive on it ...
Unfortunately, as a career politician, Biden has long proven that he is lacking all three. Not that Trump's much better, but at least he says what he means and does what he says...
Inclined to disagree with such a broad statement ...
Trump: "We've rounded the corner [on coronavirus] - it's going away"
The White House's top infectious disease expert, Dr Anthony Fauci, has disputed the president's assertion that the US is turning a corner, calling the latest statistics "disturbing".
Around 69,000 new coronavirus cases a day are being reported across the US, up from around 50,000 a day at the start of October, according to the Covid Tracking Project.
There has been a 6% increase in cases in the past week, and daily deaths are averaging just under 800.
Try asking the realtives of the 200,000 who have died in the the US if they agree with your statement .....
232,085 in fact. Or 0.0689% of the total population, of which 2.97% have been confirmed to have had Batflu.
Since January.
Or here... 45,385, or 0.067%
That's as a percentage of total population, of which 1. 47% has been confirmed to have had Batflu.
6, 7, 8 digit numbers make for dramatic headlines, but they have absolutely ZERO context.
But as long as the police get to spend Christmas raiding peoples homes, I am sure that everything will be fine :-X
As you seem to like large digit statistics with little applied context .. try this ...
"USA has 4% of the world's population, but 20% of the deaths".
The US population is around 328 million, which is just over 4% of the 7.7 billion global population.
There have been over 225,000 coronavirus deaths recorded in the US, according to the latest John Hopkins University data. The total number of deaths recorded worldwide is around 1,161,000.
On this metric, the US accounts for over 19% of Covid-19 deaths worldwide, although the way countries record their figures varies considerably.
and this in what is supposedly the most advanced country in the world ..... A statement totally ignored by Mr Trump, as he does with anything he can't argue against.
It's actually nearer 15% of the global total, not to let that get in the way of an argument ::)
And the highest proportion was/is New York, thanks in no small part to Cuomo and DeBlasio and their handling of the situation. In fact a SEVENTH of ALL deaths in the US are in New York, and two thirds are within the NYC.
The remaining 6/7ths are spead across 49 other States :-X
So to give the whole thing some perspective, compare Apples with Apples instead of trying to compare them with Sweet Potatoes ::)
United States:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
Europe: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Did Trump create Batflu? No.
Did he give the individual States the responsibility to manage their own responses? Yes.
Did he give them Federal assistance when they asked for it? Yes.
Has he advocated trying to keep everything up and running instead of completely destrying the economy, "The cure simply can not be worse than the disease..."? Yes.
Had he not closed the US borders when he did, it has been suggested that ten times as many Americans would have died. Had we closed ours at the same time, how many might not have died?
Also Dr Fauchi, along with pretty much every expert appointed and self proclaimed alike, have changed their opinion as things have developed. Hell even the WHO has changed its official advice several times since January...
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If most of the (younger) population belong to the liberal left, then that's obvious the way things will go. But it will be a slow, and probably messy, process, nowt for you or I to worry about. Picture yourself as your own grandad, Albs, always worrying about how the world was going and hankering for the way it was/is. Life goes on, just not for much longer for me and you. ;D
Well, I was very much on the left when I was young, so I hope the youth of today grow out of it as I did.
My Grandads were long gone before I was born so I wouldnt know about that. :D
Had a Step Grandad on my Mums side but the only things he was worried about were getting away with theft, GBH and murder. And having an endless supply of booze without working or paying for it ::) ;D
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If most of the (younger) population belong to the liberal left, then that's obvious the way things will go. But it will be a slow, and probably messy, process, nowt for you or I to worry about. Picture yourself as your own grandad, Albs, always worrying about how the world was going and hankering for the way it was/is. Life goes on, just not for much longer for me and you. ;D
The either grow up to being self sufficient centre ground residents or remain bitter whiny bitches.
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If most of the (younger) population belong to the liberal left, then that's obvious the way things will go. But it will be a slow, and probably messy, process, nowt for you or I to worry about. Picture yourself as your own grandad, Albs, always worrying about how the world was going and hankering for the way it was/is. Life goes on, just not for much longer for me and you. ;D
Well, I was very much on the left when I was young, so I hope the youth of today grow out of it as I did.
My Grandads were long gone before I was born so I wouldnt know about that. :D
Had a Step Grandad on my Mums side but the only things he was worried about were getting away with theft, GBH and murder. And having an endless supply of booze without working or paying for it ::) ;D
Or better still, take the money from someone else to buy a round, get your own drink and pocket the change... ::)
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If most of the (younger) population belong to the liberal left, then that's obvious the way things will go. But it will be a slow, and probably messy, process, nowt for you or I to worry about. Picture yourself as your own grandad, Albs, always worrying about how the world was going and hankering for the way it was/is. Life goes on, just not for much longer for me and you. ;D
Well, I was very much on the left when I was young, so I hope the youth of today grow out of it as I did.
My Grandads were long gone before I was born so I wouldnt know about that. :D
Had a Step Grandad on my Mums side but the only things he was worried about were getting away with theft, GBH and murder. And having an endless supply of booze without working or paying for it ::) ;D
Politics never bothered him, then. All the hot air that is expended won't make a jot of difference, either here or across the pond. Buy your midlife crisis, when the time is right, and fick them all.
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Your right old boy. :y
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Andy B back, too. Yay, welcome back, Andy :y
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Ahh, you’re back :y
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The USA, a true democracy. Not like some small African country where, on the result of an election being released, the defeated party cries foul and takes to the streets to murder, burn and loot.
Why, then, have Walmart removed all the guns on display to the back of the store? (It still amazes me you can buy a gun with your breakfast cereal). Why are stores ordering in ply to shutter up on the days the result is known?
It may not happen, but the fact that it can even be imagined is a portent of the way America is going. Xi must be pissing himself.
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And the Republican governor of Texas doing everything in his power to stop the black and Hispanic voters (the majority in that state, and the majority in the US in 25 years) from getting to cast their vote. It beggars belief, it really does. They are no better, in fact they are worse, than the countries they accuse of fixing the outcome.
That's both parties, btw, I'm not taking sides.
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The USA, a true democracy. Not like some small African country where, on the result of an election being released, the defeated party cries foul and takes to the streets to murder, burn and loot.
Why, then, have Walmart removed all the guns on display to the back of the store? (It still amazes me you can buy a gun with your breakfast cereal). Why are stores ordering in ply to shutter up on the days the result is known?
It may not happen, but the fact that it can even be imagined is a portent of the way America is going. Xi must be pissing himself.
Mostly because every time someone who shouldn't probably have access to anything pointier than a biro insists on committing suicide by law enforcement, BLM and Antifa insist on peaceful protest wanton rioting and looting in the face of lefty mayors not standing up to them.
Eventually the silent majority will bite back.
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The USA, a true democracy. Not like some small African country where, on the result of an election being released, the defeated party cries foul and takes to the streets to murder, burn and loot.
Why, then, have Walmart removed all the guns on display to the back of the store? (It still amazes me you can buy a gun with your breakfast cereal). Why are stores ordering in ply to shutter up on the days the result is known?
It may not happen, but the fact that it can even be imagined is a portent of the way America is going. Xi must be pissing himself.
Mostly because every time someone who shouldn't probably have access to anything pointier than a biro insists on committing suicide by law enforcement, BLM and Antifa insist on peaceful protest wanton rioting and looting in the face of lefty mayors not standing up to them.
Eventually the silent majority will bite back.
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No one is silent in that cesspit, it's the shoutiest place on earth. You reckon the rest of the world is in trouble if Biden wins, I reckon the world is in deep shit, full stop, and America is only adding to that shit. Give it 10/20 years and the good old US of A will implode and I, for one, will be glad to see the back of it.
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And the Republican governor of Texas doing everything in his power to stop the black and Hispanic voters (the majority in that state, and the majority in the US in 25 years) from getting to cast their vote. It beggars belief, it really does. They are no better, in fact they are worse, than the countries they accuse of fixing the outcome.
That's both parties, btw, I'm not taking sides.
https://m.facebook.com/DailyWire/videos/the-myth-of-voter-suppression/796525114108056/
Apologies for the faceache link :-X
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And the Republican governor of Texas doing everything in his power to stop the black and Hispanic voters (the majority in that state, and the majority in the US in 25 years) from getting to cast their vote. It beggars belief, it really does. They are no better, in fact they are worse, than the countries they accuse of fixing the outcome.
That's both parties, btw, I'm not taking sides.
https://m.facebook.com/DailyWire/videos/the-myth-of-voter-suppression/796525114108056/
Apologies for the faceache link :-X
No need to apologise, I certainly won't bother reading anything on Facebook.
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But here's a piece from an equally reliable source:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/18/texas-voting-restrictions-rights-coronavirus
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'We're turning a corner with the virus' says Trump.
Errrrr..
October 29
91,829 new cases and 1041 new deaths in the United States
October 28
Updates
81,806 new cases and 1,030 new deaths in the United States
October 27
Updates
76,201 new cases and 1,055 new deaths in the United States
October 26
Updates
70,069 new cases and 529 new deaths in the United States
October 25
Updates
63,735 new cases and 442 new deaths in the United States
October 24
The man is a liar of low intelligence, it's embarrassing to watch.
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Facebook wasn't the source ::)
Although the Daily Wire is arguably more reliable than the Grandiad...
Covid numbers are pretty much the same across the board... There's a comparison between the US and Europe, theirs are marginally better than Europe as a whole.
And their economy is recovering more quickly than ours inspite of being in the same boat with Batflu. So he can't be doing that badly.
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Facebook wasn't the source ::)
Although the Daily Wire is arguably more reliable than the Grandiad...
Covid numbers are pretty much the same across the board... There's a comparison between the US and Europe, theirs are marginally better than Europe as a whole.
And their economy is recovering more quickly than ours inspite of being in the same boat with Batflu. So he can't be doing that badly.
Did you actually read my last post? What has Europe or anywhere else got to do with it? And the economy, who said anything about that?
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'We're turning a corner with the virus' says Trump.
Errrrr..
October 29
91,829 new cases and 1041 new deaths in the United States
October 28
Updates
81,806 new cases and 1,030 new deaths in the United States
October 27
Updates
76,201 new cases and 1,055 new deaths in the United States
October 26
Updates
70,069 new cases and 529 new deaths in the United States
October 25
Updates
63,735 new cases and 442 new deaths in the United States
October 24
The man is a liar of low intelligence, it's embarrassing to watch.
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Can't help but agree with you Steve it's painful to watch he is so out of his depth the man is a complete arse.
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Facebook wasn't the source ::)
Although the Daily Wire is arguably more reliable than the Grandiad...
Covid numbers are pretty much the same across the board... There's a comparison between the US and Europe, theirs are marginally better than Europe as a whole.
And their economy is recovering more quickly than ours inspite of being in the same boat with Batflu. So he can't be doing that badly.
Did you actually read my last post? What has Europe or anywhere else got to do with it? And the economy, who said anything about that?
Well, the bit about Trump talking out of his @rse, as his name suggests, was hard to refute, so... ;)
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Facebook wasn't the source ::)
Although the Daily Wire is arguably more reliable than the Grandiad...
Covid numbers are pretty much the same across the board... There's a comparison between the US and Europe, theirs are marginally better than Europe as a whole.
And their economy is recovering more quickly than ours inspite of being in the same boat with Batflu. So he can't be doing that badly.
Did you actually read my last post? What has Europe or anywhere else got to do with it? And the economy, who said anything about that?
Headline numbers are all well and good, but compare their numbers with greater Europe :-X
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Facebook wasn't the source ::)
Although the Daily Wire is arguably more reliable than the Grandiad...
Covid numbers are pretty much the same across the board... There's a comparison between the US and Europe, theirs are marginally better than Europe as a whole.
And their economy is recovering more quickly than ours inspite of being in the same boat with Batflu. So he can't be doing that badly.
Did you actually read my last post? What has Europe or anywhere else got to do with it? And the economy, who said anything about that?
Headline numbers are all well and good, but compare their numbers with greater Europe :-X
You are a typical Trump supporter, aren't you? ;D Change the metrics to make it a different argument.
Donald Trump lied about the figures in the USA, which is what I said. I didn't mention comparisons to any other region or country, so what has any other country got to do with it? ::)
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'We're turning a corner with the virus' says Trump.
Errrrr..
October 29
91,829 new cases and 1041 new deaths in the United States
October 28
Updates
81,806 new cases and 1,030 new deaths in the United States
October 27
Updates
76,201 new cases and 1,055 new deaths in the United States
October 26
Updates
70,069 new cases and 529 new deaths in the United States
October 25
Updates
63,735 new cases and 442 new deaths in the United States
October 24
The man is a liar of low intelligence, it's embarrassing to watch.
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Can't help but agree with you Steve it's painful to watch he is so out of his depth the man is a complete arse.
Yep, and who hasn't seen his very friendly, super spreading COVID rallies!! ::) ::) ::)
It is close to being a criminal act, manslaughter at the very least! :o :o :D :D ;)
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People, largely, have free choice in the US. They choose to turn up to the events because they want to see their President and hear what he has to say.
By comparing the numbers with greater Europe, you get some sort of perspective. And whilst he isn't perfect, everything gets reported out of context. Possibly a side effect of reporting everything in Twitter sized chunks.
It may well be that when he made those remarks, thee rates at that city/State could well be improving since the day before and whilst this is possibly an unrealistic, he tells people what he wants to believe. If that makes him an outright liar, so be it. Just be mindful of how far out of context the mainstream media twists everything.
The only media company that seems to be reporting anything from the US with a degree of balance is Sky News Australia.
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Donald seems to be making a late run up the rails. Don't write him off just yet.
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I wasn't planning to... :D
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I wasn't planning to... :D
I'm talking to normal people ;D
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As I have said before. Imo pre Covid, Trump was a shoe in. Now, I think it will be very tight. We shall see.
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I wasn't planning to... :D
I'm talking to normal people ;D
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There's only the 2 of us then Steve..😄
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I wasn't planning to... :D
I'm talking to normal people ;D
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There's only the 2 of us then Steve..😄
And I'm not so sure about one of us ;D
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I wasn't planning to... :D
I'm talking to normal people ;D
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There's only the 2 of us then Steve..😄
And I'm not so sure about one of us ;D
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Funny that's exactly what I thought 😂
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Donald seems to be making a late run up the rails. Don't write him off just yet.
If Trump wins I'll be laughing my little cotton socks off at at the lefties and big media with egg on their faces again! ;D
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Donald seems to be making a late run up the rails. Don't write him off just yet.
If Trump wins I'll be laughing my little cotton socks off at at the lefties and big media with egg on their faces again! ;D
If there's any left once they've looted everywhere... :-X
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Donald seems to be making a late run up the rails. Don't write him off just yet.
If Trump wins I'll be laughing my little cotton socks off at at the lefties and big media with egg on their faces again! ;D
If there's any left once they've looted everywhere... :-X
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Very true🔥👍
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Yep, that's democracy for you.
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From the Independent:
Mr Trump has already made clear that he will depend on the US Supreme Court’s conservative majority to rule in his favour following an avalanche of lawsuits against mail-in ballots, and he has not been able to guarantee a peaceful transition of power, should he lose his re-election, suggesting that the president is prepared to “sabotage” the transition process, said Donald K Sherman, deputy director of nonpartisan watchdog organisation Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington
What a way to run a banana republic the nation that supposedly leads the free world. Mugabe would be proud of him.
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Nothing in that statement that Obomber and Biden hadn't already done last time.
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Nothing in that statement that Obomber and Biden hadn't already done last time.
If you say so. Can't remember reading about that four years ago.
I really don't care who wins, the 'Western democracies' are in free fall anyway. China will soon be the largest economy in the world, I just thought they might have found it more difficult to get there. But all they have to do is sit back and wait, not much effort required.
I see America is selling F35's to anyone in the Middle East who isn't Iran. Brilliant strategy, especially when Israel's new friends decide they made a mistake.
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Granted the result was enough to ensure that it didn't get to the Supreme Court, but Biden, with Obombers full consent, spent the last couple of months meddling in Ukraine along with illegal spying into Trumps' campaign and transition, not to mention then spending three years trying to indict him for everything that they had been doing... ::)
Of course, we never sold Tornados to Saudi... As that would have been well out of order. :-X
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You have to feel sorry for the Americans , what a dismal choice they have :(
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How so? Batflu notwithstanding, a Trump second term can only be a positive thing for the average American.
If he wins, Biden will be President for about five minutes before Harris takes over... Imagine Sir Kier wins the next election here and then promptly pops his clogs and Diane Abbott takes over. Nobody in their right mind would vote for that.
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How so? Batflu notwithstanding, a Trump second term can only be a positive thing for the average American.
If he wins, Biden will be President for about five minutes before Harris takes over... Imagine Sir Kier wins the next election here and then promptly pops his clogs and Diane Abbott takes over. Nobody in their right mind would vote for that.
I hope god will forgive you for that it’s not cricket🤭😟
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Trumps the best thing that’s happened to America for years
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Trumps the best thing that’s happened to America for years
Phew! I thought it was just me... :D
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To be fair.. they’re all mad😂😂.... just like us👍😂
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https://youtu.be/RCFaq6Wc-go
Just in case you thought it was Trump who is playing dirty...
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I wonder why the Yanks don't have a postal vote system like ours where all mailed in ballots have to be in by election day so they can be counted with the in person ballots. :-\ ::)
It would save a lot of aggro and lawyers fees. :)
They obviously haven't thought of it so maybe I should write in? ??? ;D
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Or, perhaps they did think of it... We'll find out when Biden declares himself the outright winner about five minutes after the polls close in California...
I'm surprised that he didn't put a Bill infront of the Senate yesterday to contest all of Trumps votes ::)
Not that the media would mention it if he has :-X
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Currently 220 to 213 in Bidens favour. Very tight indeed.
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I understand the college vote system, but don't understand how they could declare some states as being democrat with only 1% counted (at the time) ??? As happened with Virginia... and yet not call Florida with 96% in and a clearly defined win.
If it's declared that he hasn't won in Pensylvania, then the shit will really hit the fan, especially after the Attorney General announced on Monday that he knew that Trump would categorically NOT win the State...
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The voting system is a disgrace really. When voting for the President it should be one person one vote, and the Candidate with most votes wins. Theres no real excuse that I can think of not to use that simple system.
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The voting system is a disgrace really. When voting for the President it should be one person one vote, and the Candidate with most votes wins. Theres no real excuse that I can think of not to use that simple system.
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That makes perfect sense to me.
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The voting system is a disgrace really. When voting for the President it should be one person one vote, and the Candidate with most votes wins. Theres no real excuse that I can think of not to use that simple system.
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That makes perfect sense to me.
Me too... but we’re not yanks :y
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Latest betting odds: Biden 1/6, Trump 4/1. So, if anyone (you know who you are) fancies Trump, make yourself a few Bob.
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The voting system is a disgrace really. When voting for the President it should be one person one vote, and the Candidate with most votes wins. Theres no real excuse that I can think of not to use that simple system.
Yeah.....but that mean Mrs Bill Clinton would have been president in 2016.
A woman. :-X :)
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Latest betting odds: Biden 1/6, Trump 4/1. So, if anyone (you know who you are) fancies Trump, make yourself a few Bob.
I think it may be slipping away from Mr pussy grabber.
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The voting system is a disgrace really. When voting for the President it should be one person one vote, and the Candidate with most votes wins. Theres no real excuse that I can think of not to use that simple system.
Yeah.....but that mean Mrs Bill Clinton would have been president in 2016.
A woman. :-X :)
Be a woman this time when Joe falls off his perch, a black woman at that.
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Latest betting odds: Biden 1/6, Trump 4/1. So, if anyone (you know who you are) fancies Trump, make yourself a few Bob.
I think it may be slipping away from Mr pussy grabber.
He'll say the result is null and void because aliens abducted all the red voters, brainwashed them and sent them back as blues. Plus, it's not really a proper election cause Putin was stopped from interfering. It's hard to interfere with people writing on bits of paper.
Oh, wait! No it's not, it's easy. In fact, that's whats happening. So many reasons Trump should win.
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Another 1200 deaths from covid yesterday in the US. Nothing to do with maskless rallies, of course.
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Latest betting odds: Biden 1/6, Trump 4/1. So, if anyone (you know who you are) fancies Trump, make yourself a few Bob.
I think it may be slipping away from Mr pussy grabber.
He'll say the result is null and void because aliens abducted all the red voters, brainwashed them and sent them back as blues. Plus, it's not really a proper election cause Putin was stopped from interfering.
Yes...well....I don't think it will be his finest hour if he goes down that route.
Biden may get through 2020 but I don't think he will see 2021 as President. I think the old boy will be in a home for the 'terminally bewildered' by then. :-X
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Latest betting odds: Biden 1/6, Trump 4/1. So, if anyone (you know who you are) fancies Trump, make yourself a few Bob.
I think it may be slipping away from Mr pussy grabber.
He'll say the result is null and void because aliens abducted all the red voters, brainwashed them and sent them back as blues. Plus, it's not really a proper election cause Putin was stopped from interfering.
Yes...well....I don't think it will be his finest hour if he goes down that route.
Biden may get through 2020 but I don't think he will see 2021 as President. I think the old boy will be in a home for the 'terminally bewildered' by then. :-X
Or dead, as I said a few posts ago. Then you'll get the lady President you so desperately want.
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The voting system is a disgrace really. When voting for the President it should be one person one vote, and the Candidate with most votes wins. Theres no real excuse that I can think of not to use that simple system.
Yeah.....but that mean Mrs Bill Clinton would have been president in 2016.
A woman. :-X :)
Be a woman this time when Joe falls off his perch, a black woman at that.
Is she really?
What percentage of her would hold a BLM banner? ::)
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Oprah Winfrey or Michelle Obama next I reckon God
bless help America.
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Oprah Winfrey or Michelle Obama next I reckon God bless help America.
Kamala Harris will sort everything out once Joe has gone, free everything for everyone. ;D
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Nah, put Clint in he will sort the punks out :y
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Forgot about her. That would be unthinkable. :o
She even called Sleepy Joe a racist apparently. Obviously long before he chose her as his convenient running mate. ::)
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Forgot about her. That would be unthinkable. :o
She even called Sleepy Joe a racist apparently. Obviously long before he chose her as his convenient running mate. ::)
How can you forget the future Vice President?
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And, just to spice things up a bit, Joe Biden is very close to Irish Americans so, if we want a trade deal, we'd better not mention any kind of border.
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Latest betting odds: Biden 1/6, Trump 4/1. So, if anyone (you know who you are) fancies Trump, make yourself a few Bob.
Hang on though, Biden now 1/4 and Trump 3/1. You never know.
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Counting in Wisconsin was delayed because their printer ran out of ink ??? ??? It was reported[I don't know how true it is]that Biden introduced one of his daughters as his dead son.
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Amazing really that a modern advanced country like the USA can't devise a fool proof electoral system that delivers an undisputed result quickly and efficiently. ::) :-\
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Amazing really that a modern advanced country like the USA can't devise a fool proof electoral system that delivers an undisputed result quickly and efficiently. ::) :-\
They have, on several occasions.... but as each State is independent and sets its own rules, those ideas have been rejected. The idea of the "united" states is something of a fallacy, each state regards its independence ferociously, but all the while wants money and prestige from the federal government.
This can clearly be seen today in both the methods/rules over voting, and the side issues being voted on in some states ... hard drugs now legal !! despite federal rules ....
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There is a reason they call it, 'The land of the freak and the home of the bravado' or something like that.
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Amazing really that a modern advanced country like the USA can't devise a fool proof electoral system that delivers an undisputed result quickly and efficiently. ::) :-\
They have, on several occasions.... but as each State is independent and sets its own rules, those ideas have been rejected. The idea of the "united" states is something of a fallacy, each state regards its independence ferociously, but all the while wants money and prestige from the federal government.
This can clearly be seen today in both the methods/rules over voting, and the side issues being voted on in some states ... hard drugs now legal !! despite federal rules ....
That's why California and Oregon are Hard Left States that may as well not bother voting at all. Besides if you start prosecuting homeless drug addicts rather than encouraging them, then you have to house and feed them in prison. None of which looks good in the numbers and you get the kudos of 'helping' them whilst not actually dealing with it... A typical socialist stance.
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Another 1200 deaths from covid yesterday in the US. Nothing to do with maskless rallies, of course.
FFS, that's twenty six LESS than Europe (similar size area and population)
So argualy on the better side of the line and certainly within the realms of 'normal' whatever the opps that is nowadays >:(
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Another 1200 deaths from covid yesterday in the US. Nothing to do with maskless rallies, of course.
FFS, that's twenty six LESS than Europe (similar size area and population)
So argualy on the better side of the line and certainly within the realms of 'normal' whatever the opps that is nowadays >:(
Dear me ;D Once again, where did I mention Europe? ::) And where in Europe will you find leaders saying that we've turned a corner and everything is under control, whilst attending rallies with hundreds of people not wearing masks?
The man is an imbecile.
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The population of Europe is 741 million, btw, twice as big as the US.
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Orangemanbad didn't invent Batflu, so stop beating the bloke over the head with it. It's called a GLOBAL pandemic for a reason ::)
Statistical almost nobody died from it yesterday or the day before. And at least the US is openly reporting how many have recovered/active cases they have. Which is more than we seem able to :-X
Political leaders tell us things all the time... Boris said much the same thing in March :-X
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Orangemanbad didn't invent Batflu, so stop beating the bloke over the head with it. It's called a GLOBAL pandemic for a reason ::)
Statistical almost nobody died from it yesterday or the day before. And at least the US is openly reporting how many have recovered/active cases they have. Which is more than we seem able to :-X
Political leaders tell us things all the time... Boris said much the same thing in March :-X
Sorry, I must be reading all the fake news ;D
No one invented bat flu, it exists in nature. As does swine flu and now, apparently, mink flu. But, statistically, they probably won't kill a great percentage of the human race. Better just hope it's not one of your relatives that becomes one of those statistics.
And, once again, you're comparing the US to 'us'. Why?
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I thought, just in case, I'd have a bet on Trump winning the election at 6/1. After the bet was placed I got a list underneath saying 'People who placed a bet on this also bet on........'
The moon being made of cheese. Boris Johnson being an alien. Arsenal winning the premier league.
I may have wasted my tenner ;D
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I thought, just in case, I'd have a bet on Trump winning the election at 6/1. After the bet was placed I got a list underneath saying 'People who placed a bet on this also bet on........'
The moon being made of cheese. Boris Johnson being an alien. Arsenal winning the premier league.
I may have wasted my tenner ;D
The last two won't require a lawsuit to claim, but how would you prove the first? Melt it onto a chunk of bread and enjoy a light snack? That would require a massive heat source in the vicinity....
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I thought, just in case, I'd have a bet on Trump winning the election at 6/1. After the bet was placed I got a list underneath saying 'People who placed a bet on this also bet on........'
The moon being made of cheese. Boris Johnson being an alien. Arsenal winning the premier league.
I may have wasted my tenner ;D
The last two won't require a lawsuit to claim, but how would you prove the first? Melt it onto a chunk of bread and enjoy a light snack? That would require a massive heat source in the vicinity....
Easy. Just fire a rocket at the moon. If it goes bang, in a big fireball, it's not cheese. If it goes 'Splooooooop' and disappears beneath the surface ............. ;D
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Talking of socialist governments, Rishi is preparing to give a few more £billion away. We'll all have to repay it, so...Labour are a government of tax and spend, and the Tories are a government of....tax and spend. No wonder Generation X, post millennial snowflakes are confused, red and blue have become purple.
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That is a very good question, and was having this very conversation with my Bro yesterday. ;D
I would have to say that Trump, when he ran and was subsequently elected in 2016, was the perfect antidote to the general way that traditional values are being eroded at an almost exponential rate. And I was genuinely glad that he got in. I also hope he is reelected now, although I conceed that isn't looking likely, and if he ends up losing, it may be by two votes, which is no bad effort however you dress it up.
He has then spent the last four years constantly having to defend himself from both the left extremes and their indoctrined media, short of shooting him, they have literally spent four years trying to kick him out of the White House.
Sure, he isn't everyone's cup of tea, but at the same time, he says what he thinks, and whilst he relies heavily on Twitter to make his points, (personally I don't think that you can reasonably run a country in this way), he has made progress in the Middle East and has, at the outrage of everyone else deigned to put the US first. Which is how a President should be.
The liberal leftist mindset is, in my view, destroying all that used to be right in the world. Biden won't be President for long, he simply isn't mentally or physically upto the task. Whomsoever takes over from him will be far more left and that won't be good for the American people, and in the long run, that effects everyone else. It also won't be what everyone voted for.
In short, I think it's something that I have become drawn to, and fundamentally the way things are going is starting to really get on my nerves. It's not a new thing but rather one that has been festering since the late '90s. The problem is actually what, if anything can be done about it. And that REALLY bothers me :-\
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Talking of socialist governments, Rishi is preparing to give a few more £billion away. We'll all have to repay it, so...Labour are a government of tax and spend, and the Tories are a government of....tax and spend. No wonder Generation X, post millennial snowflakes are confused, red and blue have become purple.
I would much rather take my chances with Batflu and be working and contributing than taking.
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I thought, just in case, I'd have a bet on Trump winning the election at 6/1. After the bet was placed I got a list underneath saying 'People who placed a bet on this also bet on........'
The moon being made of cheese. Boris Johnson being an alien. Arsenal winning the premier league.
I may have wasted my tenner ;D
The last two won't require a lawsuit to claim, but how would you prove the first? Melt it onto a chunk of bread and enjoy a light snack? That would require a massive heat source in the vicinity....
Easy. Just fire a rocket at the moon. If it goes bang, in a big fireball, it's not cheese. If it goes 'Splooooooop' and disappears beneath the surface ............. ;D
Ah that depends on what type of cheese the moon is made of! ;)
If it's made of smelly soft French cheese then yes 'Splooooooop', but a decent English Cheddar or Red Leicester? :)
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It's obviously halloumi :D
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I thought, just in case, I'd have a bet on Trump winning the election at 6/1. After the bet was placed I got a list underneath saying 'People who placed a bet on this also bet on........'
The moon being made of cheese. Boris Johnson being an alien. Arsenal winning the premier league.
I may have wasted my tenner ;D
The last two won't require a lawsuit to claim, but how would you prove the first? Melt it onto a chunk of bread and enjoy a light snack? That would require a massive heat source in the vicinity....
Easy. Just fire a rocket at the moon. If it goes bang, in a big fireball, it's not cheese. If it goes 'Splooooooop' and disappears beneath the surface ............. ;D
Ah that depends on what type of cheese the moon is made of! ;)
If it's made of smelly soft French cheese then yes 'Splooooooop', but a decent English Cheddar or Red Leicester? :)
Then the rocket will be stuck in it, and the test will be inconclusive. Back to the lawsuit. Or an election designed by Americans.
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I thought, just in case, I'd have a bet on Trump winning the election at 6/1. After the bet was placed I got a list underneath saying 'People who placed a bet on this also bet on........'
The moon being made of cheese. Boris Johnson being an alien. Arsenal winning the premier league.
I may have wasted my tenner ;D
The last two won't require a lawsuit to claim, but how would you prove the first? Melt it onto a chunk of bread and enjoy a light snack? That would require a massive heat source in the vicinity....
Easy. Just fire a rocket at the moon. If it goes bang, in a big fireball, it's not cheese. If it goes 'Splooooooop' and disappears beneath the surface ............. ;D
Ah that depends on what type of cheese the moon is made of! ;)
If it's made of smelly soft French cheese then yes 'Splooooooop', but a decent English Cheddar or Red Leicester? :)
Then the rocket will be stuck in it, and the test will be inconclusive. Back to the lawsuit. Or an election designed by Americans.
Then it will all go back to the Germans for designing a fiendishly complicated Euro6 rocket :D
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Ask Wallace and Gromit. they've been there. :)
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And back👍
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That is a very good question, and was having this very conversation with my Bro yesterday. ;D
I would have to say that Trump, when he ran and was subsequently elected in 2016, was the perfect antidote to the general way that traditional values are being eroded at an almost exponential rate. And I was genuinely glad that he got in. I also hope he is reelected now, although I conceed that isn't looking likely, and if he ends up losing, it may be by two votes, which is no bad effort however you dress it up.
He has then spent the last four years constantly having to defend himself from both the left extremes and their indoctrined media, short of shooting him, they have literally spent four years trying to kick him out of the White House.
Sure, he isn't everyone's cup of tea, but at the same time, he says what he thinks, and whilst he relies heavily on Twitter to make his points, (personally I don't think that you can reasonably run a country in this way), he has made progress in the Middle East and has, at the outrage of everyone else deigned to put the US first. Which is how a President should be.
The liberal leftist mindset is, in my view, destroying all that used to be right in the world. Biden won't be President for long, he simply isn't mentally or physically upto the task. Whomsoever takes over from him will be far more left and that won't be good for the American people, and in the long run, that effects everyone else. It also won't be what everyone voted for.
In short, I think it's something that I have become drawn to, and fundamentally the way things are going is starting to really get on my nerves. It's not a new thing but rather one that has been festering since the late '90s. The problem is actually what, if anything can be done about it. And that REALLY bothers me :-\
Yup... He has also signed a lot of bills that people haven't seen, the biggest being allowing patients to see how much drugs actually cost, and price comparison,, His biggest fault is he doesn't come from America's political class, therefore that club wanted him out from the start. And as for the Wokey/leftie pc brigade who seem to be in charge of MSM, What chance do right thinking people have.
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https://youtu.be/CTfPsjstxrg
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What a circus!
Notwithstanding couple of aspects that will affect us here Europe.
Defence. Biden has a slightly different view on European issues.
Brexit. My suspicion is that Boris has been fudging for time to see the outcome of the US presidential circus. If Biden wins , then expect a “ last minute deal” with capitulation on some areas that previously couldn’t be compromised. Probably better than being at the back of the queue or a US trade deal or indeed Trump chlorinated not so fresh chickens.
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Hard to believe this is happening in the US..... :-X
If Trump believes there is fraud he must provide evidence......I doubt he has any.
Was there fraud in the states he won?......... ::) ::) ::) ::)
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I shall bite my tongue and try and give a reasonable reply.
First things first, Trump didn't invent 'chlorinated' chicken, so you can stop that noise.
Secondly, he has every right, as does the electorate, to be suspicious when the count in a single disrict jumps by 120k in Bidens favour whilst not a single vote is added for Trump. With the margins as they are, that matters.
Even on here Trump would get a couple of votes :-X
Right, back to food. Don't believe for one moment that cheap supermarket meat and fish hasn't been washed in some form of antibacterial solution during processing... Chlorinated anything suggests that it has been fed chlorine, whereas washing processed meat or fish in a very mild bleach solution is no different to you washing it in tap water before you cook it :-X
The average person here thinks that the average American is fat and eats nothing but cheap, crap food. Have you seen our highstreets and tv adverts? Anyone would think that KFC and McDongals are the only places you can get food from.
Are we really that stuck up to think that our food processes are better than anyone elses?
If you want cheap food, expect it to have been reared in bulk and processed as such. If you want fresh meat, buy it from a farm on the day it is slaughtered and if you want 'ethically' reared pet veal, grow your own... But don't come screaming to me about the price.
Having access to one of the largest food production markets this side of the equator is in no way a bad thing if it keeps us fed post Brexit.
Trump has repeatedly said that he will gladly trade with us. Biden has repeatedly said that he will only trade with Eurpoe as a whole, ie the EU because of how arse backwards that's organised.
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I shall bite my tongue and try and give a reasonable reply.
First things first, Trump didn't invent 'chlorinated' chicken, so you can stop that noise.
Secondly, he has every right, as does the electorate, to be suspicious when the count in a single disrict jumps by 120k in Bidens favour whilst not a single vote is added for Trump. With the margins as they are, that matters.
Even on here Trump would get a couple of votes :-X
Right, back to food. Don't believe for one moment that cheap supermarket meat and fish hasn't been washed in some form of antibacterial solution during processing... Chlorinated anything suggests that it has been fed chlorine, whereas washing processed meat or fish in a very mild bleach solution is no different to you washing it in tap water before you cook it :-X
The average person here thinks that the average American is fat and eats nothing but cheap, crap food. Have you seen our highstreets and tv adverts? Anyone would think that KFC and McDongals are the only places you can get food from.
Are we really that stuck up to think that our food processes are better than anyone elses?
If you want cheap food, expect it to have been reared in bulk and processed as such. If you want fresh meat, buy it from a farm on the day it is slaughtered and if you want 'ethically' reared pet veal, grow your own... But don't come screaming to me about the price.
Having access to one of the largest food production markets this side of the equator is in no way a bad thing if it keeps us fed post Brexit.
Trump has repeatedly said that he will gladly trade with us. Biden has repeatedly said that he will only trade with Eurpoe as a whole, ie the EU because of how arse backwards that's organised.
I agree....but he needs proof of wrong-doing. :)
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Crikey.. good job no one said anything controversial. Your blood pressure must be sky high.
Yes British people are the 6th in obesity ranking on the planet, fast catching the US apparently. Quite scary but a reflection on society I guess.
Back on the circus. Haven’t heard anyone mention (yet ) that the Russians or Chinese have been interfering in the result.
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Hard to believe this is happening in the US..... :-X
If Trump believes there is fraud he must provide evidence......I doubt he has any.
Was there fraud in the states he won?......... ::) ::) ::) ::)
Not really. This is what happens when the election is 'called' by seven not so independent media companies using nothing more than imagination and wishful thinking.
These 'declarations' are then subject to change as the votes are finally tallied. Fox news are, rightly imho, getting some shit for their callings... They called Virginia with 1% returned, they called Arizona at 56% (which prompted AP to also call it.) yet it took them FOUR hours to call Florida even though the count was completed and the Govenor had formally announced it.
As I mentioned previously, a county in Pensylvania managed to report 120k Biden votes without reporting a single Trump vote. Whilst this is statistically possible, it is suspicious in light of deliberate voter manipulation at the polling stations and the fact that the AG of Pensylvania publicly stated that Trump will not win.
The key irrefutable fact is at 2:13
https://youtu.be/53rlBcmkcJI
And that was on Saturday October 31st.
And that's on top of all the other dubious practices going on in Michigan and Iilinois.
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Not really. This is what happens when the election is 'called' by seven not so independent media companies using nothing more than imagination and wishful thinking.
I refer the honourable gentlemen to my earlier comment #208.... ::)
"Amazing really that a modern advanced country like the USA can't devise a fool proof electoral system that delivers an undisputed result quickly and efficiently." ::) :-\
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It would help Trump if he had more backing from the Republican party. They seem to have thrown him under the bus.
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Crikey.. good job no one said anything controversial. Your blood pressure must be sky high.
Yes British people are the 6th in obesity ranking on the planet, fast catching the US apparently. Quite scary but a reflection on society I guess.
Back on the circus. Haven’t heard anyone mention (yet ) that the Russians or Chinese have been interfering in the result.
It isn't, thanks for asking ;D
It just really grips my shit when people quote facebook and BBC etc as fact, without bothering to look to other more balanced sources for corroberation.
Trump should be on course to win at least 28 states, which is over half, but if you look at the states he didn't win, they're either the socialist strongholds of the west coast or the champagne socialist home of the political elites of the north east.
Middle America just wants a to do their thing without imposing their ideals on everyone else. That should, reasonably include not being imposed on by the far left. I genuinely worry for the future of the US, and consequently the rest of us should Biden/Harris win.
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The man has proved himself to be a liar, and a fool, and is just trying to cling to power. I wasted 17 minutes of my life last night watching his so-called "press conference" which was, to be honest, a purely political piece of nonsense.
I won't waste my time refuting all your doubtless admiration for this idiot .. but just to make one single point ... if I may ?? (I think we are still all entitled to hold our own views ??)
Trump : "There are now only a few states yet to be decided in the presidential race. The voting apparatus of those states are run in all cases by Democrats."
The truth : In Georgia, The secretary of state, who is in charge of the administration of the election, is Brad Raffensperger who is a Republican. The governor and both houses of the legislature are Republican-controlled.
In Nevada, the secretary of state, Barbara K. Cegavske, who is in charge of the administration of the election, is a Republican.
So he has republicans in charge, but they are "allowing" the vote to be "stolen" ... I think not..... however
Never let the truth get in the way of a good (??) headline
and BTW .. if the voting was so "rigged" why are the senate and House votes going the republican way ???
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It would help Trump if he had more backing from the Republican party. They seem to have thrown him under the bus.
Don’t you believe it. They've raised a hundred times more money for his legal fund this week than Diane Abbotts Gofundme for Corbyn... Well over $500 million. ;)
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and BTW .. if the voting was so "rigged" why are the senate and House votes going the republican way
In short, because they are distinct and separate votes. Fudging all three elections would be obvious, but fudging the presidential vote when the main stream media perception is that nobody likes he candidate isn't going to raise as many eyebrows.
Also, they aren't voting for the whole Senate.
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It would help Trump if he had more backing from the Republican party. They seem to have thrown him under the bus.
Don’t you believe it. They've raised a hundred times more money for his legal fund this week than Diane Abbotts Gofundme for Corbyn... Well over $500 million. ;)
HAHAHAHAHA ;D WTF has that got to do with anything? Diane Abbots Gofundme v The Republican Party. Really?? ;D ;D ;D
Trump is f&cked, the rats are deserting the sinking ship and who can blame them?
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and BTW .. if the voting was so "rigged" why are the senate and House votes going the republican way
In short, because they are distinct and separate votes. Fudging all three elections would be obvious, but fudging the presidential vote when the main stream media perception is that nobody likes he candidate isn't going to raise as many eyebrows.
Also, they aren't voting for the whole Senate.
Nothing has been 'fudged', you should go to bed at night and not stay up reading 'stuff'. ;D
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Fudged, rigged, miscounted, in the post... All the same thing...
The last thing that I read yesterday was CAP715 :P
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Fudged, rigged, miscounted, in the post... All the same thing...
The last thing that I read yesterday was CAP715 :P
You are at risk of making an absolute fool of yourself :-X
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Come on, Al, Biden 1/50, Trump 14/1. If you think he has the tiniest of chances, make a killing.
No? Didn't think so.
Edit: Trump just gone out to 16/1.
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Never been a betting person, although I can see the temptation.
If he loses, he loses. And you're right of course, it isn't worth getting worked up about.
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Come on, Al, Biden 1/50, Trump 14/1. If you think he has the tiniest of chances, make a killing.
No? Didn't think so.
Edit: Trump just gone out to 16/1.
I would say his chance is more like 1000/1 or even 1000,000/1........the bookies are such tight-fisted bastards. :) :D
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Come on, Al, Biden 1/50, Trump 14/1. If you think he has the tiniest of chances, make a killing.
No? Didn't think so.
Edit: Trump just gone out to 16/1.
I would say his chance is more like 1000/1 or even 1000,000/1........the bookies are such tight-fisted bastards. :) :D
After Leicester won the premiership at 5000/1, the bookies started making the almost impossible results about 250/1. They don't like it up 'em, you know ;D
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Example: Wolves are 150/1 to win the premiership this season.
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https://twitter.com/Amberfiremusic/status/1324221767708266496?s=08
What’s all this about?..
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https://twitter.com/Amberfiremusic/status/1324221767708266496?s=08
What’s all this about?..
It's about being a load of shite, Rae. ;D
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https://twitter.com/Amberfiremusic/status/1324221767708266496?s=08
What’s all this about?..
It's about being a load of shite, Rae. ;D
You wouldn't say that if it was the committee election for the Barnsley Whippet Society... ::)
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and BTW .. if the voting was so "rigged" why are the senate and House votes going the republican way
In short, because they are distinct and separate votes. Fudging all three elections would be obvious, but fudging the presidential vote when the main stream media perception is that nobody likes he candidate isn't going to raise as many eyebrows.
Also, they aren't voting for the whole Senate.
Nothing has been 'fudged', you should go to bed at night and not stay up reading 'stuff'. ;D
ALL democracies elect their various internal representatives/assemblies in different ways. It's also why the various elections are spread out over time. This is all deliberate to ensure that results tend to even each other out, and reduce dangerous spikes. Anyone with any experience of such things would expect differences between electing a personality candidate and a direct representative one.
What doesn't help here is the out of date electoral college, the bizarre way they do postal votes, and that the winner doesn't take office immediately. Whoever wins this is going to do so with a very close result, which will raise issues throughout their term.
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https://twitter.com/Amberfiremusic/status/1324221767708266496?s=08
What’s all this about?..
It's about being a load of shite, Rae. ;D
You wouldn't say that if it was the committee election for the Barnsley Whippet Society... ::)
I would be complaining to the relevant authorities, not whining on Twitter. ::)
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Just six more and Biden is there.
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Just six more and Biden is there.
Where?..... :)
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Just six more and Biden is there.
Where?..... :)
In the White House.
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Just six more and Biden is there.
Where?..... :)
In the White House.
Soon to be renamed the Black lives matters house. :)
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A lot of the more cautious news outlets have yet to call Arizona, but Associated Press have called it in Biden's favour. So that leaves him needing six.
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A lot of the more cautious news outlets have yet to call Arizona, but Associated Press have called it in Biden's favour. So that leaves him needing six.
They called it just after Fox on Wednesday morning :-X
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A lot of the more cautious news outlets have yet to call Arizona, but Associated Press have called it in Biden's favour. So that leaves him needing six.
I think it is done and dusted. Trump may leave the white house in cuffs if he won't accept the result.
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A lot of the more cautious news outlets have yet to call Arizona, but Associated Press have called it in Biden's favour. So that leaves him needing six.
I think it is done and dusted. Trump may leave the white house in cuffs if he won't accept the result.
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Always found Trump amusing, and he has not failed to amuse lots of folk through this farce.
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He's helpfully reverted to type when things go his way, sling a load of sh!t in any direction but his own. Then sue some people.
Personally I do I hope he refuses to accept the result. Mostly so we can see what happens next ;D
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Surely the land of the free couldnt possibly get rid of their President by unfair means could they ?
Should we ask JFK what he thinks about it ? ::)
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Surely the land of the free couldnt possibly get rid of their President by unfair means could they ?
Should we ask JFK what he thinks about it ? ::)
Land of the free, except health care. ;D
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Surely the land of the free couldnt possibly get rid of their President by unfair means could they ?
Should we ask JFK what he thinks about it ? ::)
Land of the free, except health care. ;D
...........and if you are black, which I have unfortunately witnessed in the States :(
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Yet they elected a black president - twice. ::)
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I've seen a few suggestions now that Trumpy plans to set up his own TV channel (TrumpTV?), which will give him a platform to slag off President Biden/Harris for the next 4 years before running again in 2024! :)
The show might not be over yet folks! ;D
Plus.... Given he has 70 million odd Twitter followers, he'll make a tidy sum if only a small percentage of those pay a subscription to TrumpTV! ;)
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I've seen a few suggestions now that Trumpy plans to set up his own TV channel (TrumpTV?), which will give him a platform to slag off President Biden/Harris for the next 4 years before running again in 2024! :)
The show might not be over yet folks! ;D
Plus.... Given he has 70 million odd Twitter followers, he'll make a tidy sum if only a small percentage of those pay a subscription to TrumpTV! ;)
Twitter were talking today about banning him if he continues to post utter shite fill his tweets with inaccuracies. Apparently they can't while he's president, but can as soon as he moves out.
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Yet they elected a black president - twice. ::)
And the first time was instead of a white, gun toting Republican woman at that.
Hilary didn't stand a chance ;D
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I've seen a few suggestions now that Trumpy plans to set up his own TV channel (TrumpTV?), which will give him a platform to slag off President Biden/Harris for the next 4 years before running again in 2024! :)
The show might not be over yet folks! ;D
Plus.... Given he has 70 million odd Twitter followers, he'll make a tidy sum if only a small percentage of those pay a subscription to TrumpTV! ;)
Twitter were talking today about banning him if he continues to post utter shite fill his tweets with inaccuracies. Apparently they can't while he's president, but can as soon as he moves out.
If he has his own TV channel, he won't give a shit! ;D
Anyway President Kamala Biden will break up the big Tech companies, so Jack Dorsey will have to go back to lumberjacking! :D
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I've seen a few suggestions now that Trumpy plans to set up his own TV channel (TrumpTV?), which will give him a platform to slag off President Biden/Harris for the next 4 years before running again in 2024! :)
The show might not be over yet folks! ;D
Plus.... Given he has 70 million odd Twitter followers, he'll make a tidy sum if only a small percentage of those pay a subscription to TrumpTV! ;)
Twitter were talking today about banning him if he continues to post utter shite fill his tweets with inaccuracies. Apparently they can't while he's president, but can as soon as he moves out.
If he has his own TV channel, he won't give a shit! ;D
Anyway President Kamala Biden will break up the big Tech companies, so Jack Dorsey will have to go back to lumberjacking! :D
And take his $9,300,000,000 with him ;D
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A tv channel run by republicans for republicans. In direct competition with Fox, then.
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Yet they elected a black president - twice. ::)
And the first time was instead of a white, gun toting Republican woman at that.
Hilary didn't stand a chance ;D
Hear hear, that was a close shave👀 I can see Blair and the leftist fraternity really baying at this Latest fk up for the UK, As said we are at the end of the queue.
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A tv channel run by Trumpists for Trumpists. Not in direct competition with Fox, then.
Fixed Uncle STEMO! :)
Anyway once Trumpys moved out of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, Fox will volte-face and say they never liked him anyway. ;D
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If you think trump was bad, I think Biden will be far worse... for us... and that’s all I really give a .... about👀👀 But hey what do I know?.. just as much as the rest of us guessing.....Prepare to be suprised is my motto (it’s rarely wrong)👍
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I rather Trumps hair though... shows imagination :y
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If you think trump was bad, I think Biden will be far worse... for us... and that’s all I really give a .... about👀👀 But hey what do I know?.. just as much as the rest of us guessing.....Prepare to be suprised is my motto (it’s rarely wrong)👍
You're right, Rae, he's the next-to-worse presidential candidate. ;D
I would prefer a republican president, but my dislike, nay, hate for Trump made me forget all about the politics of it.
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Kim Jong-Un must be pissing himself!
He once called Trumpy a dotard, and now he's really going to be dealing with a dotard! ;D
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I've seen a few suggestions now that Trumpy plans to set up his own TV channel (TrumpTV?), which will give him a platform to slag off President Biden/Harris for the next 4 years before running again in 2024! :)
The show might not be over yet folks! ;D
Plus.... Given he has 70 million odd Twitter followers, he'll make a tidy sum if only a small percentage of those pay a subscription to TrumpTV! ;)
Twitter were talking today about banning him if he continues to post utter shite fill his tweets with inaccuracies. Apparently they can't while he's president, but can as soon as he moves out.
If he has his own TV channel, he won't give a shit! ;D
Anyway President Kamala Biden will break up the big Tech companies, so Jack Dorsey will have to go back to lumberjacking! :D
And take his $9,300,000,000 with him ;D
California is seriously proposing a 65% tax rate with a ten year bond... So if you move out once it's introduced, you still pay full California tax on your income for a decade.
That's why the likes of Elon are moving to Texas. Not that Twitter, Amazon or Facebook pay any tax ::)
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Yes they move from California to places like Texas and Florida to escape the high taxes and carry on voting for the Democrats! ;D
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Yes they move from California to places like Texas and Florida to escape the high taxes and carry on voting for the Democrats! ;D
If Amazon keeps growing the way it is, there's a good chance Jeff Bezos will be worth more than UK PLC.
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Yes they move from California to places like Texas and Florida to escape the high taxes and carry on voting for the Democrats! ;D
The locals have already noticed that... I can't see Texans putting up with that stupidity for long ::)
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Yes they move from California to places like Texas and Florida to escape the high taxes and carry on voting for the Democrats! ;D
The locals have already noticed that... I can't see Texans putting up with that stupidity for long ::)
Yeah. Don't be bringing all those billions of dollars here, we don't need them, we've got our oil!
Oh, wait.......welcome! ;D
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Well it seems that Trumpys team have been busy researching and long before the election I'd say, as Rudy Giuliani has alleged that Pennsylvania has 21,000 dead people on it's electoral roll. :-\
Imagine the shit storm if they can prove that not only did these 21,000 people vote, but they voted Democrat as well. :o
Popcorn time!! ;D
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Well it seems that Trumpys team have been busy researching and long before the election I'd say, as Rudy Giuliani has alleged that Pennsylvania has 21,000 dead people on it's electoral roll. :-\
Imagine the shit storm if they can prove that not only did these 21,000 people vote, but they voted Democrat as well. :o
Popcorn time!! ;D
The Hodges Twins were discussing this yesterday.
There's enough uncounted votes left for Trump to still win, but Pennsylvania are adamant that there are no more Trump votes left.
The problem he has immediately, is that if he were to concede in the face of possible defeat that the outstanding votes wouldn't be counted.
Georgia, Arizona and Nevada are all well within recount territory.
Better get two bags of popcorn ready :D
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Well it seems that Trumpys team have been busy researching and long before the election I'd say, as Rudy Giuliani has alleged that Pennsylvania has 21,000 dead people on it's electoral roll. :-\
Imagine the shit storm if they can prove that not only did these 21,000 people vote, but they voted Democrat as well. :o
Popcorn time!! ;D
If I could prove something like that, I would be doing so BEFORE the election.
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Ballots have been scatterbombed out since they suggested the idea of mail-in ballots.
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Well...the bookies have got Trump at 14/1, and they've stopped taking bets on Biden. Bookies know a thing or two, and they are my go to when I need to know what's happening in elections, football managers, etc.
But............they got it badly wrong on Brexit, so never say never.
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Ballots have been scatterbombed out since they suggested the idea of mail-in ballots.
America has only been using them since their civil war.
Machiavelli listed most of the ways of rigging elections 500 years ago.
So my point stands; if you can PROVE it's happening, you do that before it does.
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I don't believe the republicans have got a chance of proving anything. I do believe that they are so up their own arses that they would plunge the country into chaos before they would admit defeat. Hopefully, there are enough decent republicans to tell Trump he's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy.
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I see even his most loyal "supporters" ... Fox News/Wall Street Journal ..... not they they ever actually rported any "news" ... is now backtracking on all the false stories about Biden, and distancing itself from Trump ......
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-presidential-endgame-11604706255
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It is human nature for us to seek out people opinions that mirror our own. This is known as 'confirmation bias' and we are all guilty of it to a lesser or greater extent.
I really don't think the conspiracy theory of missing/lost/stolen Trump votes and thousands of dead people voting for Biden will hold up in the long run.......much like faked moon landings, Roswell, and George W Bush being responsible for bringing down the twin towers.
:) :)
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To me, Biden is not only an enemy of the UK. He is an enemy of basic human decency. Much worse a character than Trump has ever been.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8922741/Picture-Joe-Biden-Gerry-Adams-IRA-chief-tried-kill-Army-officer-emerges.html
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Well it seems that Trumpys team have been busy researching and long before the election I'd say, as Rudy Giuliani has alleged that Pennsylvania has 21,000 dead people on it's electoral roll. :-\
Imagine the shit storm if they can prove that not only did these 21,000 people vote, but they voted Democrat as well. :o
Popcorn time!! ;D
If I could prove something like that, I would be doing so BEFORE the election.
I expect they were waiting to see if they voted or not. ;)
And it looks as though it'll all unfold in the courts. ::)
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Get them over here for Judge Rinder to sort out , that would be a good afternoons entertainment ☺️ and about all it deserves what a farce.
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For me, and I am sure many others, it is so sad to witness in our time the farce, and a potentially very dangerous one, this election 'spectacle' has become in the largest democracy on Earth, the United States of America.
The country is being divided like never before, thanks to that man Trump who has shown he is no President but a miserable cry baby of a bully who does not respect the now majority of Americans and the voting process.
It now has created, yet again, Americans on the street fully armed and ready for civil war because they cannot live with true democracy thanks to a terrible example by Trump and Trump Jnr.
What a bloody disgrace! >:(
Thank God I am not an American.
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For me, and I am sure many others, it is so sad to witness in our time the farce, and a potentially very dangerous one, this election 'spectacle' has become in the largest democracy on Earth, the United States of America.
The country is being divided like never before, thanks to that man Trump who has shown he is no President but a miserable cry baby of a bully who does not respect the now majority of Americans and the voting process.
It now has created, yet again, Americans on the street fully armed and ready for civil war because they cannot live with true democracy thanks to a terrible example by Trump and Trump Jnr.
What a bloody disgrace! >:(
Thank God I am not an American.
POTUS in 2024 Lizzie..... ::) :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
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The largest democracy on earth is India, Lizzie.
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The BBC have called Biden as the president elect, and they super cautious. So that should be that.
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The BBC have called Biden as the president elect, and they super cautious. So that should be that.
Sadly I think old Joe is past his best and his best was never that great.
Ms Harris will have the reins after Joe has had his ovaltine is settled down for an early night.
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The BBC have called Biden as the president elect, and they super cautious. So that should be that.
Sadly I think old Joe is past his best and his best was never that great.
Ms Harris will have the reins after Joe has had his ovaltine is settled down for an early night.
There's many a fine tune played on an old fiddle ;D
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The BBC have called Biden as the president elect, and they super cautious. So that should be that.
Sadly I think old Joe is past his best and his best was never that great.
Ms Harris will have the reins after Joe has had his ovaltine is settled down for an early night.
There's many a fine tune played on an old fiddle ;D
Seriously though.....It wouldn't surprise me to find one of Trumps sons running for president in 4 years. What's the worst that can happen? ::) ::) ::)
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The BBC have called Biden as the president elect, and they super cautious. So that should be that.
Sadly I think old Joe is past his best and his best was never that great.
Ms Harris will have the reins after Joe has had his ovaltine is settled down for an early night.
There's many a fine tune played on an old fiddle ;D
Seriously though.....It wouldn't surprise me to find one of Trumps sons running for president in 4 years. What's the worst that can happen? ::) ::) ::)
Four years? I'll worry about that in 3 years 11 months.
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The BBC have called Biden as the president elect, and they super cautious. So that should be that.
Sadly I think old Joe is past his best and his best was never that great.
Ms Harris will have the reins after Joe has had his ovaltine is settled down for an early night.
There's many a fine tune played on an old fiddle ;D
Seriously though.....It wouldn't surprise me to find one of Trumps sons running for president in 4 years. What's the worst that can happen? ::) ::) ::)
Four years? I'll worry about that in 3 years 11 months.
I'm not expecting you to still be around. :)
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The largest democracy on earth is India, Lizzie.
Oh yes thanks Steve, I often forget that :-[ :-[ ::) ::) ::)
In fact I bet at the moment India is the more democratic country compared to what is going on in the USA! ::) ::)
STOP PRESS: BBC have just announced it is officially being said now that Biden has it, as he has won the vote in Pennsylvania :y :y
Now watch the undemocratic fireworks / legal action take place ::) ::) ::) >:( >:(
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The largest democracy on earth is India, Lizzie.
Oh yes thanks Steve, I often forget that :-[ :-[ ::) ::) ::)
In fact I bet at the moment India is the more democratic country compared to what is going on in the USA! ::) ::)
STOP PRESS: BBC have just announced it is officially being said now that Biden has it, as he has won the vote in Pennsylvania :y :y
Now watch the undemocratic fireworks / legal action take place ::) ::) ::) >:( >:(
Post #302, Lizzie, do keep up. :P
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It won't be the end of it, the lefty mobs will be out pulling the place apart 'in peaceful celebration'...
If he ends up losing the legal battle, so be it... But somebody please explain how they can call Arizona with ten percent of the votes still to count?
I wouldn't worry too much about the next one, it will be more of a fluid opinion poll :-X
Incidentally, the legal appeals are a legitimate part of the process, as are recounts if the margin falls within a 3% spread.
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The largest democracy on earth is India, Lizzie.
Oh yes thanks Steve, I often forget that :-[ :-[ ::) ::) ::)
In fact I bet at the moment India is the more democratic country compared to what is going on in the USA! ::) ::)
STOP PRESS: BBC have just announced it is officially being said now that Biden has it, as he has won the vote in Pennsylvania :y :y
Now watch the undemocratic fireworks / legal action take place ::) ::) ::) >:( >:(
Post #302, Lizzie, do keep up. :P
I'm confused now, as I was typing there was a BBC news Report saying "It had just been announced......................"
How could they have said that when you were posting then again later when I was?
Bloody BBC and journalists generally!!! If they can get the most out of an "announcement" they will! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;)
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The BBC have called Biden as the president elect, and they super cautious. So that should be that.
Sadly I think old Joe is past his best and his best was never that great.
Ms Harris will have the reins after Joe has had his ovaltine is settled down for an early night.
There's many a fine tune played on an old fiddle ;D
Seriously though.....It wouldn't surprise me to find one of Trumps sons running for president in 4 years. What's the worst that can happen? ::) ::) ::)
Four years? I'll worry about that in 3 years 11 months.
I'm not expecting you to still be around. :)
I'm going to stick around just to annoy you keep you on the straight and narrow :)
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For me, and I am sure many others, it is so sad to witness in our time the farce, and a potentially very dangerous one, this election 'spectacle' has become in the largest democracy on Earth, the United States of America.
The country is being divided like never before, thanks to that man Trump who has shown he is no President but a miserable cry baby of a bully who does not respect the now majority of Americans and the voting process.
It now has created, yet again, Americans on the street fully armed and ready for civil war because they cannot live with true democracy thanks to a terrible example by Trump and Trump Jnr.
What a bloody disgrace! >:(
Thank God I am not an American.
POTUS in 2024 Lizzie..... ::) :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Thanks Opti! I am going to have bloody nightmares now...!! :o :o :o ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D :-* :-* ;)
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The largest democracy on earth is India, Lizzie.
Oh yes thanks Steve, I often forget that :-[ :-[ ::) ::) ::)
In fact I bet at the moment India is the more democratic country compared to what is going on in the USA! ::) ::)
STOP PRESS: BBC have just announced it is officially being said now that Biden has it, as he has won the vote in Pennsylvania :y :y
Now watch the undemocratic fireworks / legal action take place ::) ::) ::) >:( >:(
Post #302, Lizzie, do keep up. :P
I'm confused now, as I was typing there was a BBC news Report saying "It had just been announced......................"
How could they have said that when you were posting then again later when I was?
Bloody BBC and journalists generally!!! If they can get the most out of an "announcement" they will! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;)
I have ultra fast broadband ;D
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The largest democracy on earth is India, Lizzie.
Oh yes thanks Steve, I often forget that :-[ :-[ ::) ::) ::)
In fact I bet at the moment India is the more democratic country compared to what is going on in the USA! ::) ::)
STOP PRESS: BBC have just announced it is officially being said now that Biden has it, as he has won the vote in Pennsylvania :y :y
Now watch the undemocratic fireworks / legal action take place ::) ::) ::) >:( >:(
Post #302, Lizzie, do keep up. :P
It costs nothing to be nice. Lizzie is an old lady. Cut her some slack. :)
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For me, and I am sure many others, it is so sad to witness in our time the farce, and a potentially very dangerous one, this election 'spectacle' has become in the largest democracy on Earth, the United States of America.
The country is being divided like never before, thanks to that man Trump who has shown he is no President but a miserable cry baby of a bully who does not respect the now majority of Americans and the voting process.
It now has created, yet again, Americans on the street fully armed and ready for civil war because they cannot live with true democracy thanks to a terrible example by Trump and Trump Jnr.
What a bloody disgrace! >:(
Thank God I am not an American.
POTUS in 2024 Lizzie..... ::) :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Thanks Opti! I am going to have bloody nightmares now...!! :o :o :o ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D :-* :-* ;)
God knows how many Whitehouse interns Trump the younger will inseminate. :)
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Trump has definitely been a bit of a dick about the whole thing. It would have been better to let things pan out and the go after the recounts in the closer States. There's five or six that would have been within reach..
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For me, and I am sure many others, it is so sad to witness in our time the farce, and a potentially very dangerous one, this election 'spectacle' has become in the largest democracy on Earth, the United States of America.
The country is being divided like never before, thanks to that man Trump who has shown he is no President but a miserable cry baby of a bully who does not respect the now majority of Americans and the voting process.
It now has created, yet again, Americans on the street fully armed and ready for civil war because they cannot live with true democracy thanks to a terrible example by Trump and Trump Jnr.
What a bloody disgrace! >:(
Thank God I am not an American.
I think complete fiasco is probably more appropriate than true democracy Lizzie. There won't be an official result for days until they've finished counting and then there's the recounts, allegations of electoral fraud (which surely must be thoroughly investigated by the authorities?) and law suits. ::)
Anyway the media says Joe Biden has won, so there you have it! :)
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Like I said earlier, it has implications for Brexit trade deal and defence in Europe.
Good news is like it or not Biden is likely to come to “ little ‘ol Britain” twice soon. First when Boris hosts G7 , then the climate change summit. Free electric cars for everyone ? ;D
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Like I said earlier, it has implications for Brexit trade deal and defence in Europe.
Good news is like it or not Biden is likely to come to “ little ‘ol Britain” twice soon. First when Boris hosts G7 , then the climate change summit. Free electric cars for everyone ? ;D
I wonder if we'll be allowed to fly a big balloon type caricature of Sleepy Joe when he visits? ??? ;D
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Like I said earlier, it has implications for Brexit trade deal and defence in Europe.
Good news is like it or not Biden is likely to come to “ little ‘ol Britain” twice soon. First when Boris hosts G7 , then the climate change summit. Free electric cars for everyone ? ;D
I wonder if we'll be allowed to fly a big balloon type caricature of Sleepy Joe when he visits? ??? ;D
He probably wouldn't notice.
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Get them over here for Judge Rinder to sort out , that would be a good afternoons entertainment ☺️ and about all it deserves what a farce.
I think you need help if you think 2 pensioners scrapping being told off by a shirt lifter is "entertaining"
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Cant be a good feeling, being a single term president, hell, the yanks even re-elected George Dubya. ;D
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Cant be a good feeling, being a single term president, hell, the yanks even re-elected George Dubya. ;D
He hasn't lost yet, it's fake news.
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https://youtu.be/YNQ5z6TnTUM (https://youtu.be/YNQ5z6TnTUM)
Mr Trumps lawyer. :)
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https://youtu.be/6fG0RRZoAJo (https://youtu.be/6fG0RRZoAJo)
This is better. :)
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https://youtu.be/6fG0RRZoAJo (https://youtu.be/6fG0RRZoAJo)
This is better. :)
In similar circumstances I can't imagine you'd have behaved much differently M'lud. :)
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Breaking news: Trump has left America and is playing snooker professionally on ITV4. :o
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He is actually playing golf at the moment. I bet those balls are having the shite whacked out of them. ;D
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He is actually playing golf at the moment. I bet those balls are having the shite whacked out of them. ;D
700 yard drives ;D
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For me, and I am sure many others, it is so sad to witness in our time the farce, and a potentially very dangerous one, this election 'spectacle' has become in the largest democracy on Earth, the United States of America.
The country is being divided like never before, thanks to that man Trump who has shown he is no President but a miserable cry baby of a bully who does not respect the now majority of Americans and the voting process.
It now has created, yet again, Americans on the street fully armed and ready for civil war because they cannot live with true democracy thanks to a terrible example by Trump and Trump Jnr.
What a bloody disgrace! >:(
Thank God I am not an American.
I think complete fiasco is probably more appropriate than true democracy Lizzie. There won't be an official result for days until they've finished counting and then there's the recounts, allegations of electoral fraud (which surely must be thoroughly investigated by the authorities?) and law suits. ::)
Anyway the media says Joe Biden has won, so there you have it! :)
And we all know how accurate they have been lately... I mean they clearly haven't learnt anything from 2016 ;D
And all the people peacefully rioting celebrating are the same lefty groups who have been peacefully burning the place all summer.
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You can understand why they do it though. USA had never had any issues of racism or inequality until Trump entered the Whitehouse. ::)
Covid killed it for him. If it hadnt happened he would have walked it imo.
If he gets back in, in 4 years time he will nuke China to get his revenge. ;D
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Done and dusted, despite the protestations. There'll be lots of shouty people on the telly, lots of lawyers making lots of money, then Joe Biden will move into the White House.
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Fair play to Biden and Trump. Who would think that two 70 year olds could keep an election going for so long.
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Fair play to Biden and Trump. Who would think that two 70 year olds could keep an election going for so long.
Was that found on a Chinese site?
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You can understand why they do it though. USA had never had any issues of racism or inequality until Trump entered the Whitehouse. ::)
Covid killed it for him. If it hadnt happened he would have walked it imo.
If he gets back in, in 4 years time he will nuke China to get his revenge. ;D
Harris and the Squad won't allow any Trump/ republican voters to have another say...
https://youtu.be/oDT-szztGsY
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You can understand why they do it though. USA had never had any issues of racism or inequality until Trump entered the Whitehouse. ::)
Covid killed it for him. If it hadnt happened he would have walked it imo.
If he gets back in, in 4 years time he will nuke China to get his revenge. ;D
Harris and the Squad won't allow any Trump/ republican voters to have another say...
https://youtu.be/oDT-szztGsY
Fake news
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Are you sure? :-X
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Are you sure? :-X
Damn right. All news that doesn't support uncle Joe is fake news, everyone knows that.
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He is actually playing golf at the moment. I bet those balls are having the shite whacked out of them. ;D
700 yard drives ;D
. Yep, against Melania’s arse👍😂
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I reckon she will divorce him soon. She doesnt look like a happy girl when shes near him.
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I reckon she will divorce him soon. She doesnt look like a happy girl when shes near him.
Can't think why she married him in the first place ::)
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Mm let me think...........
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Well it seems that half of America is dancing in the streets! :)
If Trumpy does manage to pull a rabbit out of the hat then the shit will really hit the fan! :o
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Are you sure? :-X
Damn right. All news that doesn't support uncle Joe is fake news, everyone knows that.
Shit, I missed that memo... ::)
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Are you sure? :-X
Damn right. All news that doesn't support uncle Joe is fake news, everyone knows that.
Shit, I missed that memo... ::)
You also missed on calling the result ::)
No, that was incorrect, you didn't actually call the result, just made any other result sound very implausible and scary.
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They've not actually finished counting yet ::)
And it's not just about the presidency...
Although I have, and continue to concede that Trump may have lost.
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They've not actually finished counting yet ::)
And it's not just about the presidency...
Although I have, and continue to concede that Trump may have lost.
Give it up, FFS. It's done, finito.
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Unless you have a YouTube vid that says different, of course.
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All we need to do now is sit and wait for the end of the democratic process in the USA, as foretold by our very own Dr G.
Speaking of which, I believe the BBC is due to fold next year as per Rods, late of this parish ;D
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They've not actually finished counting yet ::)
And it's not just about the presidency...
Although I have, and continue to concede that Trump may have lost.
Give it up, FFS. It's done, finito.
If ITV arbitrarily decided that the Brexit vote was a Remain win everyone outside of Lundun would have been pretty annoyed.
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They've not actually finished counting yet ::)
And it's not just about the presidency...
Although I have, and continue to concede that Trump may have lost.
Give it up, FFS. It's done, finito.
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No.. it’s just resting.. lovely plumage🤭
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They've not actually finished counting yet ::)
And it's not just about the presidency...
Although I have, and continue to concede that Trump may have lost.
Give it up, FFS. It's done, finito.
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No.. it’s just resting.. lovely plumage🤭
P ;D ;D
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https://youtu.be/6fG0RRZoAJo (https://youtu.be/6fG0RRZoAJo)
This is better. :)
In similar circumstances I can't imagine you'd have behaved much differently M'lud. :)
I was thinking much the same. :y
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All we need to do now is sit and wait for the end of the democratic process in the USA, as foretold by our very own Dr G.
Speaking of which, I believe the BBC is due to fold next year as per Rods, late of this parish ;D
What really happened to Rods was his favourite fantasies came true when a team of covert international assassins recruited from their hide-in-plain-sight jobs at various MacDonalds throughout Europe abseiled in through the downstairs toilet window and garroted him using poison soaked lettuce. The same team then stole Trump's victory by being able to lick more stamps than previously thought possible. Next week, they'll be back cleaning the gunk out milkshake machines until the conspiracy needs their talents again....
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All we need to do now is sit and wait for the end of the democratic process in the USA, as foretold by our very own Dr G.
Speaking of which, I believe the BBC is due to fold next year as per Rods, late of this parish ;D
What really happened to Rods was his favourite fantasies came true when a team of covert international assassins recruited from their hide-in-plain-sight jobs at various MacDonalds throughout Europe abseiled in through the downstairs toilet window and garroted him using poison soaked lettuce. The same team then stole Trump's victory by being able to lick more stamps than previously thought possible. Next week, they'll be back cleaning the gunk out milkshake machines until the conspiracy needs their talents again....
Have you got a link to the YouTube vid?
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All we need to do now is sit and wait for the end of the democratic process in the USA, as foretold by our very own Dr G.
Speaking of which, I believe the BBC is due to fold next year as per Rods, late of this parish ;D
What really happened to Rods was his favourite fantasies came true when a team of covert international assassins recruited from their hide-in-plain-sight jobs at various MacDonalds throughout Europe abseiled in through the downstairs toilet window and garroted him using poison soaked lettuce. The same team then stole Trump's victory by being able to lick more stamps than previously thought possible. Next week, they'll be back cleaning the gunk out milkshake machines until the conspiracy needs their talents again....
Have you got a link to the YouTube vid?
It's only to be used as trade advertising, as in the mercenary's training film The Substitute with Tom Berenger :)
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All we need to do now is sit and wait for the end of the democratic process in the USA, as foretold by our very own Dr G.
Speaking of which, I believe the BBC is due to fold next year as per Rods, late of this parish ;D
What really happened to Rods was his favourite fantasies came true when a team of covert international assassins recruited from their hide-in-plain-sight jobs at various MacDonalds throughout Europe abseiled in through the downstairs toilet window and garroted him using poison soaked lettuce. The same team then stole Trump's victory by being able to lick more stamps than previously thought possible. Next week, they'll be back cleaning the gunk out milkshake machines until the conspiracy needs their talents again....
Have you got a link to the YouTube vid?
It's only to be used as trade advertising, as in the mercenary's training film The Substitute with Tom Berenger :)
Found it...
https://youtu.be/i1CPsVNUAG8 ::)
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Earlier the BBC news said that Joe Biden had "swept to power!" ::)
Personally I'd say he "crawled to power, with the whiff of corruption following on!" :-X
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All we need to do now is sit and wait for the end of the democratic process in the USA, as foretold by our very own Dr G.
Speaking of which, I believe the BBC is due to fold next year as per Rods, late of this parish ;D
What really happened to Rods was his favourite fantasies came true when a team of covert international assassins recruited from their hide-in-plain-sight jobs at various MacDonalds throughout Europe abseiled in through the downstairs toilet window and garroted him using poison soaked lettuce. The same team then stole Trump's victory by being able to lick more stamps than previously thought possible. Next week, they'll be back cleaning the gunk out milkshake machines until the conspiracy needs their talents again....
Have you got a link to the YouTube vid?
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They're all faked anyway..
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Earlier the BBC news said that Joe Biden had "swept to power!" ::)
Personally I'd say he "crawled to power, with the whiff of corruption following on!" :-X
Ah, but the beeb, being entirely neutral, hated Trump with a passion, probably because Trump, correctly, said the BBC were full of shit back in the early days of his Presidency.
Listen to that idiot Sopel in the days leading up to the election, and how excited he was... ...then how dejected he was in the early forecasts of the election when it looked like it wasn't going the way the neutral BBC wanted... ...and then his excitement again as Biden started to look more hopeful. And the dumb ass blonde tart they had on the News channel - the ugly one who likes the sound of her own voice - showing utter bias (neutral bias, obviously, because the BBC are neutral) by not letting Republicans get a word in, but never talking over Democrats.
God, I love the neutral BBC.
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Sadly, the outcome has left our little insignificant rock in the North Sea pretty much oppsed. As an easier American trade deal might have helped us.
Oh, sorry, I forgot, the Farage whitewashed promised us that the EU would roll over, simply because we are British and have a stiff upper lip, and once had an Empire ;D. That promise was clearly true, and I and the rest of the sane population in the UK must have been wrong, because clearly the EU are going to give us everything we want, and we won't have to jump through any hoops or pay the EU gazillions. Just like the NHS are going to get the £350m a week that the bus promised ::)
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Sadly, the outcome has left our little insignificant rock in the North Sea pretty much oppsed. As an easier American trade deal might have helped us.
Oh, sorry, I forgot, the Farage whitewashed promised us that the EU would roll over, simply because we are British and have a stiff upper lip, and once had an Empire ;D. That promise was clearly true, and I and the rest of the sane population in the UK must have been wrong, because clearly the EU are going to give us everything we want, and we won't have to jump through any hoops or pay the EU gazillions. Just like the NHS are going to get the £350m a week that the bus promised ::)
Negative waves, man. We'll all be fine, just you wait and see ;D
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Good job too... They've already spent it and change :-\
He may get in yet... It might be slimmer than a racing snake, but by jove, he might just do it :-\
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Good job too... They've already spent it and change :-\
He may get in yet... It might be slimmer than a racing snake, but by jove, he might just do it :-\
Move away from the internet and raise your hands in the air ;D
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Donald is on YouTube
https://youtu.be/hnzHtm1jhL4
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(https://i.redd.it/0ou2noy755i51.jpg)
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Earlier the BBC news said that Joe Biden had "swept to power!" ::)
Personally I'd say he "crawled to power, with the whiff of corruption following on!" :-X
Ah, but the beeb, being entirely neutral, hated Trump with a passion, probably because Trump, correctly, said the BBC were full of shit back in the early days of his Presidency.
Listen to that idiot Sopel in the days leading up to the election, and how excited he was... ...then how dejected he was in the early forecasts of the election when it looked like it wasn't going the way the neutral BBC wanted... ...and then his excitement again as Biden started to look more hopeful. And the dumb ass blonde tart they had on the News channel - the ugly one who likes the sound of her own voice - showing utter bias (neutral bias, obviously, because the BBC are neutral) by not letting Republicans get a word in, but never talking over Democrats.
God, I love the neutral BBC.
It's difficult to like Trump because he is so unlikable, he is a liar, and a bit of a tit. However, I think it disgraceful that the US media channels cut off a sitting US president in the middle of his speech. It is not their place to censor what he has to say. More than seventy million voted for him but the media have sent a big 'f*uck you message' to them all.
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Earlier the BBC news said that Joe Biden had "swept to power!" ::)
Personally I'd say he "crawled to power, with the whiff of corruption following on!" :-X
Ah, but the beeb, being entirely neutral, hated Trump with a passion, probably because Trump, correctly, said the BBC were full of shit back in the early days of his Presidency.
Listen to that idiot Sopel in the days leading up to the election, and how excited he was... ...then how dejected he was in the early forecasts of the election when it looked like it wasn't going the way the neutral BBC wanted... ...and then his excitement again as Biden started to look more hopeful. And the dumb ass blonde tart they had on the News channel - the ugly one who likes the sound of her own voice - showing utter bias (neutral bias, obviously, because the BBC are neutral) by not letting Republicans get a word in, but never talking over Democrats.
God, I love the neutral BBC.
It's difficult to like Trump because he is so unlikable, he is a liar, and a bit of a tit. However, I think it disgraceful that the US media channels cut off a sitting US president in the middle of his speech. It is not their place to censor what he has to say. More than seventy million voted for him but the media have sent a big 'f*uck you message' to them all.
Well, no Opti.
What the US media have done is not allow the current President spouting off clear negatives and untruths about the election, that Biden has currently secured with over 75 million votes, that could encourage violence and further divide down to what? Unsubstantiated claims that it was all rigged and unfair without any evidence, with even now some senior Republicans saying enough is enough to Trump.
No, Trump is giving out the " big opps you" message to all Americans that faithfully voted for Biden who has now won. ;)
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I would watch this before being quite so hasty...
https://youtu.be/JWZiD2UOglk
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Earlier the BBC news said that Joe Biden had "swept to power!" ::)
Personally I'd say he "crawled to power, with the whiff of corruption following on!" :-X
Ah, but the beeb, being entirely neutral, hated Trump with a passion, probably because Trump, correctly, said the BBC were full of shit back in the early days of his Presidency.
Listen to that idiot Sopel in the days leading up to the election, and how excited he was... ...then how dejected he was in the early forecasts of the election when it looked like it wasn't going the way the neutral BBC wanted... ...and then his excitement again as Biden started to look more hopeful. And the dumb ass blonde tart they had on the News channel - the ugly one who likes the sound of her own voice - showing utter bias (neutral bias, obviously, because the BBC are neutral) by not letting Republicans get a word in, but never talking over Democrats.
God, I love the neutral BBC.
It's difficult to like Trump because he is so unlikable, he is a liar, and a bit of a tit. However, I think it disgraceful that the US media channels cut off a sitting US president in the middle of his speech. It is not their place to censor what he has to say. More than seventy million voted for him but the media have sent a big 'f*uck you message' to them all.
Well, no Opti.
What the US media have done is not allow the current President spouting off clear negatives and untruths about the election, that Biden has currently secured with over 75 million votes, that could encourage violence an further divide down to what? Unsubstantiated claims that it was all rigged and unfair without any evidence, with even now some senior Republicans saying enough is enough to Trump.
No, Trump is giving out the " big opps you" message to all Americans that faithfully voted for Biden who has now won. ;)
It is their job to report the news and not to decide what which bits they will ALLOW and which bits they won't. CNN and others of this dubious ilk are not God, Lizzie.
Perhaps the USA has decided to follow the same one -sided news reporting so loved by North Korea. :)
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Earlier the BBC news said that Joe Biden had "swept to power!" ::)
Personally I'd say he "crawled to power, with the whiff of corruption following on!" :-X
Ah, but the beeb, being entirely neutral, hated Trump with a passion, probably because Trump, correctly, said the BBC were full of shit back in the early days of his Presidency.
Listen to that idiot Sopel in the days leading up to the election, and how excited he was... ...then how dejected he was in the early forecasts of the election when it looked like it wasn't going the way the neutral BBC wanted... ...and then his excitement again as Biden started to look more hopeful. And the dumb ass blonde tart they had on the News channel - the ugly one who likes the sound of her own voice - showing utter bias (neutral bias, obviously, because the BBC are neutral) by not letting Republicans get a word in, but never talking over Democrats.
God, I love the neutral BBC.
It's difficult to like Trump because he is so unlikable, he is a liar, and a bit of a tit. However, I think it disgraceful that the US media channels cut off a sitting US president in the middle of his speech. It is not their place to censor what he has to say. More than seventy million voted for him but the media have sent a big 'f*uck you message' to them all.
Well, no Opti.
What the US media have done is not allow the current President spouting off clear negatives and untruths about the election, that Biden has currently secured with over 75 million votes, that could encourage violence an further divide down to what? Unsubstantiated claims that it was all rigged and unfair without any evidence, with even now some senior Republicans saying enough is enough to Trump.
No, Trump is giving out the " big opps you" message to all Americans that faithfully voted for Biden who has now won. ;)
It is their job to report the news and not to decide what which bits they will ALLOW and which bits they won't. CNN and others of this dubious ilk are not God, Lizzie.
Perhaps the USA has decided to follow the same one -sided news reporting so loved by the BBC, SKY C4 etc. :)
Fixed. :)
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I would watch this before being quite so hasty...
https://youtu.be/JWZiD2UOglk
Yeah, yeah, a former US Governor who is a Republican spouting off substantiated claims on Fox News. Fake News.
I will believe the many US officials, and politicians, who are saying there is absolutely no evidence of what Trump is claiming. Trump has actually tried his tactic before and it was thrown out of court!
Anyway, why have you DG been such a supporter of Trump throughout this thread? ::) ::) ::)
Let the Americans decide who they want.........................oh, hang on, they have!! ;D ;D ;)
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Earlier the BBC news said that Joe Biden had "swept to power!" ::)
Personally I'd say he "crawled to power, with the whiff of corruption following on!" :-X
Ah, but the beeb, being entirely neutral, hated Trump with a passion, probably because Trump, correctly, said the BBC were full of shit back in the early days of his Presidency.
Listen to that idiot Sopel in the days leading up to the election, and how excited he was... ...then how dejected he was in the early forecasts of the election when it looked like it wasn't going the way the neutral BBC wanted... ...and then his excitement again as Biden started to look more hopeful. And the dumb ass blonde tart they had on the News channel - the ugly one who likes the sound of her own voice - showing utter bias (neutral bias, obviously, because the BBC are neutral) by not letting Republicans get a word in, but never talking over Democrats.
God, I love the neutral BBC.
It's difficult to like Trump because he is so unlikable, he is a liar, and a bit of a tit. However, I think it disgraceful that the US media channels cut off a sitting US president in the middle of his speech. It is not their place to censor what he has to say. More than seventy million voted for him but the media have sent a big 'f*uck you message' to them all.
Well, no Opti.
What the US media have done is not allow the current President spouting off clear negatives and untruths about the election, that Biden has currently secured with over 75 million votes, that could encourage violence an further divide down to what? Unsubstantiated claims that it was all rigged and unfair without any evidence, with even now some senior Republicans saying enough is enough to Trump.
No, Trump is giving out the " big opps you" message to all Americans that faithfully voted for Biden who has now won. ;)
It is their job to report the news and not to decide what which bits they will ALLOW and which bits they won't. CNN and others of this dubious ilk are not God, Lizzie.
Perhaps the USA has decided to follow the same one -sided news reporting so loved by North Korea. :)
No, their job in a democracy is to censor anything that is offensive, incites violence, threatens the democratic process, and is illegal that they are being asked to broadcast.
What Trump tried to do was rubbish the results of an election, duly held under the terms of the USA electoral system, tried and tested over decades. It was NOT news but pure propaganda.
Now let his lawyers prove or disprove his incredible insult to 75 million Americans.
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Earlier the BBC news said that Joe Biden had "swept to power!" ::)
Personally I'd say he "crawled to power, with the whiff of corruption following on!" :-X
Ah, but the beeb, being entirely neutral, hated Trump with a passion, probably because Trump, correctly, said the BBC were full of shit back in the early days of his Presidency.
Listen to that idiot Sopel in the days leading up to the election, and how excited he was... ...then how dejected he was in the early forecasts of the election when it looked like it wasn't going the way the neutral BBC wanted... ...and then his excitement again as Biden started to look more hopeful. And the dumb ass blonde tart they had on the News channel - the ugly one who likes the sound of her own voice - showing utter bias (neutral bias, obviously, because the BBC are neutral) by not letting Republicans get a word in, but never talking over Democrats.
God, I love the neutral BBC.
It's difficult to like Trump because he is so unlikable, he is a liar, and a bit of a tit. However, I think it disgraceful that the US media channels cut off a sitting US president in the middle of his speech. It is not their place to censor what he has to say. More than seventy million voted for him but the media have sent a big 'f*uck you message' to them all.
Well, no Opti.
What the US media have done is not allow the current President spouting off clear negatives and untruths about the election, that Biden has currently secured with over 75 million votes, that could encourage violence an further divide down to what? Unsubstantiated claims that it was all rigged and unfair without any evidence, with even now some senior Republicans saying enough is enough to Trump.
No, Trump is giving out the " big opps you" message to all Americans that faithfully voted for Biden who has now won. ;)
It is their job to report the news and not to decide what which bits they will ALLOW and which bits they won't. CNN and others of this dubious ilk are not God, Lizzie.
Perhaps the USA has decided to follow the same one -sided news reporting so loved by North Korea. :)
No, their job in a democracy is to censor anything that is offensive, incites violence, threatens the democratic process, and is illegal that they are being asked to broadcast.
What Trump tried to do was rubbish the results of an election, duly held under the terms of the USA electoral system, tried and tested over decades. It was NOT news but pure propaganda.
Oh....I see. They are God. It seems they have power without limit. This is the stuff of 1984.
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If you bothered to watch it, you'll see that Winsconsin, for example apparently had an 89% turn out.
Not statistically impossible, but equally unlikely, and therefore suspicious.
Trump has been exactly what the US has needed, and Batflu notwithstanding, a second term could be historic in its achievements.
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Lizzie appears to be unfamiliar with the concept of the First Amendment :-X
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Also Lizzie......'offensive' is subjective. Perhaps 70 million Trump voters were 'offended' because an unelected media boss decided he was the new messiah.
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Earlier the BBC news said that Joe Biden had "swept to power!" ::)
Personally I'd say he "crawled to power, with the whiff of corruption following on!" :-X
Ah, but the beeb, being entirely neutral, hated Trump with a passion, probably because Trump, correctly, said the BBC were full of shit back in the early days of his Presidency.
Listen to that idiot Sopel in the days leading up to the election, and how excited he was... ...then how dejected he was in the early forecasts of the election when it looked like it wasn't going the way the neutral BBC wanted... ...and then his excitement again as Biden started to look more hopeful. And the dumb ass blonde tart they had on the News channel - the ugly one who likes the sound of her own voice - showing utter bias (neutral bias, obviously, because the BBC are neutral) by not letting Republicans get a word in, but never talking over Democrats.
God, I love the neutral BBC.
It's difficult to like Trump because he is so unlikable, he is a liar, and a bit of a tit. However, I think it disgraceful that the US media channels cut off a sitting US president in the middle of his speech. It is not their place to censor what he has to say. More than seventy million voted for him but the media have sent a big 'f*uck you message' to them all.
Well, no Opti.
What the US media have done is not allow the current President spouting off clear negatives and untruths about the election, that Biden has currently secured with over 75 million votes, that could encourage violence an further divide down to what? Unsubstantiated claims that it was all rigged and unfair without any evidence, with even now some senior Republicans saying enough is enough to Trump.
No, Trump is giving out the " big opps you" message to all Americans that faithfully voted for Biden who has now won. ;)
It is their job to report the news and not to decide what which bits they will ALLOW and which bits they won't. CNN and others of this dubious ilk are not God, Lizzie.
Perhaps the USA has decided to follow the same one -sided news reporting so loved by North Korea. :)
No, their job in a democracy is to censor anything that is offensive, incites violence, threatens the democratic process, and is illegal that they are being asked to broadcast.
What Trump tried to do was rubbish the results of an election, duly held under the terms of the USA electoral system, tried and tested over decades. It was NOT news but pure propaganda.
Oh....I see. They are God. It seems they have power without limit. This is the stuff of 1984.
No of course they are not God! They have definite limits to their power, and thank God for that. 1984 will only happen if you ignore the electoral voting system in our democracies to be controlled by a dictator, like Hitler: just imagine if his propaganda could have been censored by the German media and the offensive distortions and creations of his doctrine removed for what it was.
Trump is trying to be God as he has throughout his Presidency. If he can lie to shut people he wants to up he will, and that is what he is trying to do. >:(
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Lizzie appears to be unfamiliar with the concept of the First Amendment :-X
No I am not! Trump can and no doubt will pursue his rights within the legal process he intends to follow.
That is very different to using the press during the electoral count to rubbish what 75 million Americans have voted for.
I know you love Trump but blimey, you are not even American so why not just let the situation be as it will undoubtedly be. An awful lot of people in this world HATE Trump, but thank God it will be the American people that decides his fate, and hopefully not the gun totting militia he has encouraged to rise up. >:(
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I know that I am in a minority here, but opps me LZ, that's a an assertion and a half.
In no way, shape or form has Trump pretended to be anything other than the elected President of the United States. Just because he doesn't fit the traditional profile of the role doesn't mean that he shouldn't be in the role. And it certainly doesn't mean that he has done a bad job of it.
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Lizzie appears to be unfamiliar with the concept of the First Amendment :-X
No I am not! Trump can and no doubt will pursue his rights within the legal process he intends to follow.
That is very different to using the press during the electoral count to rubbish what 75 million Americans have voted for.
I know you love Trump but blimey, you are not even American so why not just let the situation be as it will undoubtedly be. An awful lot of people in this world HATE Trump, but thank God it will be the American people that decides his fate, and hopefully not the gun totting militia he has encouraged to rise up. >:(
Where has he suggested such a thing?
And as for the First Amendment, try reading it...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_in_the_United_States
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The TV stations did no "simply" cut off Trumps "speech" .. they actively corrected it, or tried to.
It would appear that 7 major stations all did the same , with only CNN and Fox showing the whole "speech"
As an example, MSNBC anchor Brian Williams actually said "'Here we are again in the unusual position of not only interrupting the president of the United States but correcting the president of the United States. There are no illegal votes that we know of, there has been no Trump victory that we know of.'
USA Today, editor-in-chief Nicole Carroll, "President Trump, without evidence, claimed the presidential election was corrupt and fraudulent. We stopped the livestream of his remarks early and have removed the video from all of our platforms. Our job is to spread truth not unfounded conspiracies."
A little research can find further examples of the networks explaining why they took the actions they did.... if they had let the "broadcast" go they would be accused of inciting/supporting false allegations ..
Damned if they do, damned if they don't ... all depends on which side you support ... and I've only seen rampant "Trumpophiles" complaining that he was not allowed to complete his rant. I only wish I had been watching one of the stations that pulled it, instead I had to suffer the whole 17 minutes from the whitehouse livestream .......
As for "freedom of speech" .. a far wiser man than I once said "with freedom comes responsibility" ..... something Trump most certainly does NOT understand .. and he was NOT stopped from saying anything .. its just that his comments were not forced down the throats of viewers ..... .. his "Freedom to speak" was still there ....
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Earlier the BBC news said that Joe Biden had "swept to power!" ::)
Personally I'd say he "crawled to power, with the whiff of corruption following on!" :-X
Ah, but the beeb, being entirely neutral, hated Trump with a passion, probably because Trump, correctly, said the BBC were full of shit back in the early days of his Presidency.
Listen to that idiot Sopel in the days leading up to the election, and how excited he was... ...then how dejected he was in the early forecasts of the election when it looked like it wasn't going the way the neutral BBC wanted... ...and then his excitement again as Biden started to look more hopeful. And the dumb ass blonde tart they had on the News channel - the ugly one who likes the sound of her own voice - showing utter bias (neutral bias, obviously, because the BBC are neutral) by not letting Republicans get a word in, but never talking over Democrats.
God, I love the neutral BBC.
It's difficult to like Trump because he is so unlikable, he is a liar, and a bit of a tit. However, I think it disgraceful that the US media channels cut off a sitting US president in the middle of his speech. It is not their place to censor what he has to say. More than seventy million voted for him but the media have sent a big 'f*uck you message' to them all.
Well, no Opti.
What the US media have done is not allow the current President spouting off clear negatives and untruths about the election, that Biden has currently secured with over 75 million votes, that could encourage violence an further divide down to what? Unsubstantiated claims that it was all rigged and unfair without any evidence, with even now some senior Republicans saying enough is enough to Trump.
No, Trump is giving out the " big opps you" message to all Americans that faithfully voted for Biden who has now won. ;)
It is their job to report the news and not to decide what which bits they will ALLOW and which bits they won't. CNN and others of this dubious ilk are not God, Lizzie.
Perhaps the USA has decided to follow the same one -sided news reporting so loved by North Korea. :)
No, their job in a democracy is to censor anything that is offensive, incites violence, threatens the democratic process, and is illegal that they are being asked to broadcast.
What Trump tried to do was rubbish the results of an election, duly held under the terms of the USA electoral system, tried and tested over decades. It was NOT news but pure propaganda.
Oh....I see. They are God. It seems they have power without limit. This is the stuff of 1984.
No of course they are not God! They have definite limits to their power, and thank God for that. 1984 will only happen if you ignore the electoral voting system in our democracies to be controlled by a dictator, like Hitler: just imagine if his propaganda could have been censored by the German media and the offensive distortions and creations of his doctrine removed for what it was.
Trump is trying to be God as he has throughout his Presidency. If he can lie to shut people he wants to up he will, and that is what he is trying to do. >:(
But Lizzie.....you have already stated it is the job of the media (God almighty) to censor and control anything they consider offensive and untruthful. Therefore the head of the BBC, ITV, Channel 4/5 should have an absolute right to stop Bojo broadcasting a speech if they don't agree with what he says.
This is 1984 with knobs on. :-X :-* :-*
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"Freedom of speech" does not equal "forced to listen" .. there is no god given right to have your speeches transmittesd simply because you want them to be ... if you speak to an empty room, you have still had the right to speak ...
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Lizzie appears to be unfamiliar with the concept of the First Amendment :-X
No I am not! Trump can and no doubt will pursue his rights within the legal process he intends to follow.
That is very different to using the press during the electoral count to rubbish what 75 million Americans have voted for.
I know you love Trump but blimey, you are not even American so why not just let the situation be as it will undoubtedly be. An awful lot of people in this world HATE Trump, but thank God it will be the American people that decides his fate, and hopefully not the gun totting militia he has encouraged to rise up. >:(
Where has he suggested such a thing?
And as for the First Amendment, try reading it...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_in_the_United_States
Have you not seen the news reports over the last view weeks, from the BLM incidents and protests, to the latest coverage by American TV stations? ::) ::) ::)
As for your comment and suggestion I read the Wikipedia explanation......................that is just insulting! >:( >:(
Anyway, enough of all this. As I have stated before let the Americans decide what is right or not, what needs to be done. 8) 8) :y :y :y
Not some Britisher who loves Trump and will support the vile man to the end of our days. ::) ::) ::)
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The TV stations did no "simply" cut off Trumps "speech" .. they actively corrected it, or tried to.
It would appear that 7 major stations all did the same , with only CNN and Fox showing the whole "speech"
As an example, MSNBC anchor Brian Williams actually said "'Here we are again in the unusual position of not only interrupting the president of the United States but correcting the president of the United States. There are no illegal votes that we know of, there has been no Trump victory that we know of.'
USA Today, editor-in-chief Nicole Carroll, "President Trump, without evidence, claimed the presidential election was corrupt and fraudulent. We stopped the livestream of his remarks early and have removed the video from all of our platforms. Our job is to spread truth not unfounded conspiracies."
A little research can find further examples of the networks explaining why they took the actions they did.... if they had let the "broadcast" go they would be accused of inciting/supporting false allegations ..
Damned if they do, damned if they don't ... all depends on which side you support ... and I've only seen rampant "Trumpophiles" complaining that he was not allowed to complete his rant. I only wish I had been watching one of the stations that pulled it, instead I had to suffer the whole 17 minutes from the whitehouse livestream .......
As for "freedom of speech" .. a far wiser man than I once said "with freedom comes responsibility" ..... something Trump most certainly does NOT understand .. and he was NOT stopped from saying anything .. its just that his comments were not forced down the throats of viewers ..... .. his "Freedom to speak" was still there ....
I'm not going to dispute that Trump talks crap 99% of the time.
What worries me is that these 'self appointed guardians' who make up the media decide 'they know best' and therefore they will take total control of what Trump can and can't say.
They don't have to agree with him but it seems disrespectful to cut off a sitting President like he is a naughty school boy.
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Earlier the BBC news said that Joe Biden had "swept to power!" ::)
Personally I'd say he "crawled to power, with the whiff of corruption following on!" :-X
Ah, but the beeb, being entirely neutral, hated Trump with a passion, probably because Trump, correctly, said the BBC were full of shit back in the early days of his Presidency.
Listen to that idiot Sopel in the days leading up to the election, and how excited he was... ...then how dejected he was in the early forecasts of the election when it looked like it wasn't going the way the neutral BBC wanted... ...and then his excitement again as Biden started to look more hopeful. And the dumb ass blonde tart they had on the News channel - the ugly one who likes the sound of her own voice - showing utter bias (neutral bias, obviously, because the BBC are neutral) by not letting Republicans get a word in, but never talking over Democrats.
God, I love the neutral BBC.
It's difficult to like Trump because he is so unlikable, he is a liar, and a bit of a tit. However, I think it disgraceful that the US media channels cut off a sitting US president in the middle of his speech. It is not their place to censor what he has to say. More than seventy million voted for him but the media have sent a big 'f*uck you message' to them all.
Well, no Opti.
What the US media have done is not allow the current President spouting off clear negatives and untruths about the election, that Biden has currently secured with over 75 million votes, that could encourage violence an further divide down to what? Unsubstantiated claims that it was all rigged and unfair without any evidence, with even now some senior Republicans saying enough is enough to Trump.
No, Trump is giving out the " big opps you" message to all Americans that faithfully voted for Biden who has now won. ;)
It is their job to report the news and not to decide what which bits they will ALLOW and which bits they won't. CNN and others of this dubious ilk are not God, Lizzie.
Perhaps the USA has decided to follow the same one -sided news reporting so loved by North Korea. :)
No, their job in a democracy is to censor anything that is offensive, incites violence, threatens the democratic process, and is illegal that they are being asked to broadcast.
What Trump tried to do was rubbish the results of an election, duly held under the terms of the USA electoral system, tried and tested over decades. It was NOT news but pure propaganda.
Oh....I see. They are God. It seems they have power without limit. This is the stuff of 1984.
No of course they are not God! They have definite limits to their power, and thank God for that. 1984 will only happen if you ignore the electoral voting system in our democracies to be controlled by a dictator, like Hitler: just imagine if his propaganda could have been censored by the German media and the offensive distortions and creations of his doctrine removed for what it was.
Trump is trying to be God as he has throughout his Presidency. If he can lie to shut people he wants to up he will, and that is what he is trying to do. >:(
But Lizzie.....you have already stated it is the job of the media (God almighty) to censor and control anything they consider offensive and untruthful. Therefore the head of the BBC, ITV, Channel 4/5 should have an absolute right to stop Bojo broadcasting a speech if they don't agree with what he says.
This is 1984 with knobs on. :-X :-* :-*
Now you are just taking everything out of context. We, well I, are talking about Trump rubbishing an election as the democratic process of counting the peoples vote is underway.
That has got nothing to do with what Boris as the Prime Minister, or Sir Keir Starmer as Leader of the Opposition giving a speech in the House of Commons or elsewhere as part of the British democratic process on behalf of the electorate as a whole.
Two vastly different things altogether! ::) ::) ::)
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The TV stations did no "simply" cut off Trumps "speech" .. they actively corrected it, or tried to.
It would appear that 7 major stations all did the same , with only CNN and Fox showing the whole "speech"
As an example, MSNBC anchor Brian Williams actually said "'Here we are again in the unusual position of not only interrupting the president of the United States but correcting the president of the United States. There are no illegal votes that we know of, there has been no Trump victory that we know of.'
USA Today, editor-in-chief Nicole Carroll, "President Trump, without evidence, claimed the presidential election was corrupt and fraudulent. We stopped the livestream of his remarks early and have removed the video from all of our platforms. Our job is to spread truth not unfounded conspiracies."
A little research can find further examples of the networks explaining why they took the actions they did.... if they had let the "broadcast" go they would be accused of inciting/supporting false allegations ..
Damned if they do, damned if they don't ... all depends on which side you support ... and I've only seen rampant "Trumpophiles" complaining that he was not allowed to complete his rant. I only wish I had been watching one of the stations that pulled it, instead I had to suffer the whole 17 minutes from the whitehouse livestream .......
As for "freedom of speech" .. a far wiser man than I once said "with freedom comes responsibility" ..... something Trump most certainly does NOT understand .. and he was NOT stopped from saying anything .. its just that his comments were not forced down the throats of viewers ..... .. his "Freedom to speak" was still there ....
I'm not going to dispute that Trump talks crap 99% of the time.
What worries me is that these 'self appointed guardians' who make up the media decide 'they know best' and therefore they will take total control of what Trump can and can't say.
They don't have to agree with him but it seems disrespectful to cut off a sitting President like he is a naughty school boy.
I also agree it is a worry, but what do they do .. a dispassionate and well put piece can be found here ... IMHO it is well worth a 3 minute read .... (note .. written by an Australian !!)
https://theconversation.com/to-stay-or-cut-away-as-trump-makes-baseless-claims-tv-networks-are-faced-with-a-serious-dilemma-149628
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Not to mention the fact that in the face of Twitter and Facebook actively censoring established press, it is easier to go with the leftist narrative than to report what is actually happening and risk being cancelled for not towing the party line.
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"Freedom of speech" does not equal "forced to listen" .. there is no god given right to have your speeches transmittesd simply because you want them to be ... if you speak to an empty room, you have still had the right to speak ...
https://youtu.be/M3U83QLoATU (https://youtu.be/M3U83QLoATU)
I imagine that many people who were 'forced to listen' to Trump would have simply switched off the TV as is their right. This is 'proper' forced to listen. :)
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Not to mention the fact that in the face of Twitter and Facebook actively censoring established press, it is easier to go with the leftist narrative than to report what is actually happening and risk being cancelled for not towing the party line.
Getting to be predictable now .... when you don't like the question, or the answer, change the target to one that suits you .....
This WAS a discusion about the TV networks decision to cut trumps speech .. nowt to do with hie twitter posts being labelled although for exactly the same reasons
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Not to mention the fact that in the face of Twitter and Facebook actively censoring established press, it is easier to go with the leftist narrative than to report what is actually happening and risk being cancelled for not towing the party line.
Getting to be predictable now .... when you don't like the question, or the answer, change the target to one that suits you .....
This WAS a discusion about the TV networks decision to cut trumps speech .. nowt to do with hie twitter posts being labelled although for exactly the same reasons
Yep, that is what DG does, especially when he loves a person like Trump for doubtful logical reasons, and like his hero ignores general, widespread agreement that what is being claimed is not fact. ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Mock away.
But consider this:
I don't 'love' Trump as you put it. I like the way that he says what he thinks and does what he says. Sure, he occasionally oversteps with his comments and Tweets, but that is a side effect of how and who he is.
He has always been the underdog, ever since he first ran for President. And I take a certain relish from the fact that he beat Hillary Clinton, if only because it was a resouding punch on the nose to political elitist arrogance. Even Michael Moore could barely bring himself to endorse her, and he's more left leaning than CNN.
Trump isn't perfect, by any means, but neither was he anything like as bad as he could have been. Brash and obnoxious? Probably. But vile? No, that's the preserve of Corbyn/Abbott, Gerry Adams, The Clintons and the like.
The recounts and courts will decide this election. Biden hasn't won it yet.
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As I said well over 4 years ago, Trump would be the best thing to happen to America for decades. And I think it has been.
His mistake was his honesty about the media, which is every bit as inaccurate/bias/lazy as the Asian state controlled media. And because then the media hated him because he was pointing out the obvious, he became enemy number one for most western media outlets, including our own.
He was a breath of fresh air after the gormlessness and uselessness of decades of US Presidents. I mean, really? Obama? George Dub? Clinton? All utterly useless wishy washys.
But that brief period od American rebuilding has now been stalled. Poor bastards.
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While he was possibly always going to be the wrong man to drain the swamp, he recognised the two major issue which need to be solved.
China is taking over the world, and he wanted to stop them, unlike Obama who wasnt even bright enough to notice it was happening.
Secondly, the Liberal left are slowly destroying the Western world from the inside out and he also wanted to stop that.
I fear that the battle may have already been lost though to be honest. Regardless of who is in the Whitehouse, number 10 or any other place, the left hold most of the really important levers of power now, including education and almost all of the media, so its difficult to see how they can be beaten in the long term. :(
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I must agree with the last three posts although we all know Trumps not perfect, (far from it) but there again who is? But, he sure has made a good stirring of the pot which I think will probably help in the long run. Only my opinion of course.
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He's a mong. ;D
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He's a mong. ;D
I got told told off for using the word cripple recently. :-\ The word spastic and spaz (as well as mong) was commonly used in my school. Sometimes by the kids. :)
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He's a mong. ;D
I got told told off for using the word cripple recently. :-\ The word spastic and spaz (as well as mong) was commonly used in my school. Sometimes by the kids. :)
No one will tell you off on here. Well, maybe Lizzie.
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The US needs someone who agrees with Trumps general direction of travel, with Obama,s Charisma and oratory skills. I doubt such a person exists.
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Mike Pence and Ted Cruz on the next ticket? :-\
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He's a mong. ;D
And?
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Mike Pence and Ted Cruz on the next ticket? :-\
Nikki Haley. ;)
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Well lets hope he is good enough to avoid us heading for WW3. Plenty of catalysts out there. Just needs one wrong step. Just saying.
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Mike Pence and Ted Cruz on the next ticket? :-\
Nikki Haley. ;)
Ok, she could run as VP with Pence and then in eight years with Ted Cruz as VP then someone else as VP to Ted Cruz eight years after that.
That should give a decent run :D
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What he certainly is doing (continuing a theme) is rubbishing the US' democratic process on the world stage. Pointing fingers and blaming others without evidence for the position they find themselves in is exactly what children do, and he continues to act like a petulant child.
How he can, in the same breath claim to have won an election, and claim the election is undemocratic and fraudulent is beyond me. But then again, it's the same accusations without evidence that have marked his entire presidency, or "speaking his mind" as his fans call it.
C-19 was the first thing he's encountered that couldn't be bullied, bought or sued and he made a total shambles of dealing with it, as most people knew he would.
As for the whole freedom of speech/first ammendment argument, he has the right to say what he wants, he doesn't have an unfettered right to a national broadcasting platform on which to do it. Unless the first ammendment has changed since I last looked at Wikipedia :P
Also, this made me chuckle....
https://www.buzzfeed.com/natashajokic1/four-seasons-landscaping-tweets (https://www.buzzfeed.com/natashajokic1/four-seasons-landscaping-tweets)
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Not raising anyone’s sleeves ... but no leader has done any good against the ‘virus’ and to be fair they have all tried various solutions. It’s not going to be easy.
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What he certainly is doing (continuing a theme) is rubbishing the US' democratic process on the world stage. Pointing fingers and blaming others without evidence for the position they find themselves in is exactly what children do, and he continues to act like a petulant child.
How he can, in the same breath claim to have won an election, and claim the election is undemocratic and fraudulent is beyond me. But then again, it's the same accusations without evidence that have marked his entire presidency, or "speaking his mind" as his fans call it.
C-19 was the first thing he's encountered that couldn't be bullied, bought or sued and he made a total shambles of dealing with it, as most people knew he would.
As for the whole freedom of speech/first ammendment argument, he has the right to say what he wants, he doesn't have an unfettered right to a national broadcasting platform on which to do it. Unless the first ammendment has changed since I last looked at Wikipedia :P
Also, this made me chuckle....
https://www.buzzfeed.com/natashajokic1/four-seasons-landscaping-tweets (https://www.buzzfeed.com/natashajokic1/four-seasons-landscaping-tweets)
Brilliant! ;D ;D
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This rather long thread from twitter is an interesting read.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1325486459516805125.html
Imagine if it all turned out this way though! :o :D
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That sounds suspiciously like one of my mates Saturday accumulators.
Practically a cert :y
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This rather long thread from twitter is an interesting read.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1325486459516805125.html
Imagine if it all turned out this way though! :o :D
As Mr Loaf once sang... I couldn't have said it better myself. :y
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Halloween is over and people are dumping orange vegetables.
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Halloween is over and people are dumping orange vegetables.
:) :)
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Just watched Joe Bidens address very good speaker and talking a lot of sense, be interesting to see how things progress.
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I can see independent recounts happening in at least three states following legal challenges to various improprieties.
Biden has only been declared by the media. Not the same thing as being the certified winner. To call him the President Elect is currently not accurate. And at this rate probably won't be for upto five weeks, if ever.
There's an argument for nullifying the results from Pennsylvania and the potential that, having confirmed a software glitch to switch 6,000 votes in one Michigan District, that that might also have occurred in the other 47 Michigan Districts which could mean a potential swing of almost 300,000 votes in Trumps favour. And they weren't the only state using that counting software.
https://youtu.be/DeQnH_gb1sM
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I can see independent recounts happening in at least three states following legal challenges to various improprieties.
Biden has only been declared by the media. Not the same thing as being the certified winner. To call him the President Elect is currently not accurate. And at this rate probably won't be for upto five weeks, if ever.
There's an argument for nullifying the results from Pennsylvania and the potential that, having confirmed a software glitch to switch 6,000 votes in one Michigan District, that that might also have occurred in the other 47 Michigan Districts which could mean a potential swing of almost 300,000 votes in Trumps favour. And they weren't the only state using that counting software.
https://youtu.be/DeQnH_gb1sM
YouTube, the font of all knowledge. Apart from Twitter and Facebook, of course.
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Actual footage of deliberate obstruction of an actual court order. ::)
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Actual footage of deliberate obstruction of an actual court order. ::)
But not on any mainstream channel, even the right leaning ones.
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That's partly down to mainstream media having to cling to the Biden bandwagon. Standing apart from the herd isn't wrong just because you choose to disagree...
Anyhoo, I wouldn't be basing any post Brexit trade on who might be the President in January. ::)
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He's a mong. ;D
I got told told off for using the word cripple recently. :-\ The word spastic and spaz (as well as mong) was commonly used in my school. Sometimes by the kids. :)
Spacker, as in "You look like a Spacker", I'm told is also unacceptable to those with weak minds and tree hugging tendancies...
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I wouldn't be basing any post Brexit trade on who might be the President in January. ::)
That last remaining ship has sailed, and we are now left with the reality of being an unloved, insignificant place somewhere in the North Sea. And still no guaranteed £350m a week for the NHS.
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I wouldn't be basing any post Brexit trade on who might be the President in January. ::)
That last remaining ship has sailed, and we are now left with the reality of being an unloved, insignificant place somewhere in the North Sea. And still no guaranteed £350m a week for the NHS.
Shit have you downgraded us that much? :o
You usually claim that we are an unloved insignificant place somewhere in the North Atlantic, which sounds much more impressive! ;D
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I wouldn't be basing any post Brexit trade on who might be the President in January. ::)
That last remaining ship has sailed, and we are now left with the reality of being an unloved, insignificant place somewhere in the North Sea. And still no guaranteed £350m a week for the NHS.
Shit have you downgraded us that much? :o
You usually claim that we are an unloved insignificant place somewhere in the North Atlantic, which sounds much more impressive! ;D
I live in an unloved, insignificant little town on an unloved, insignificant island in the North Sea. ;D
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Helgoland?
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Helgoland?
Dogger Bank! ;D
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That's partly down to mainstream media having to cling to the Biden bandwagon. Standing apart from the herd isn't wrong just because you choose to disagree...
Anyhoo, I wouldn't be basing any post Brexit trade on who might be the President in January. ::)
Trump proving that the whole thing was faked would be manna from heaven for me. Imagine the chaos, and I love a bit of chaos. :)
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I wouldn't be basing any post Brexit trade on who might be the President in January. ::)
That last remaining ship has sailed, and we are now left with the reality of being an unloved, insignificant place somewhere in the North Sea. And still no guaranteed £350m a week for the NHS.
We should tell Europe and America to eff off. We can manage quite well without them, thank you. ;D
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We should tell Europe and America to eff off.
Would they notice? ;D
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We should tell Europe and America to eff off.
Would they notice? ;D
Of course. We're important and play a vital role in world affairs. Didn't you know?
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Well, the EU seem to be gradually coming around to the concept ::)
As for the other side of the 'North Sea', once the dust settles...
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Wow you won't hear this sort of thing on the BBC! ;D
https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6208597485001
He's right about the Hunter Biden laptop story and the way it was suppressed by the MSM and social media companies. Had it been the Eric Trump laptop story the MSM would have had a hysterical feeding frenzy over it! ::)
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Wow you won't hear this sort of thing on the BBC! ;D
https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6208597485001
He's right about the Hunter Biden laptop story and the way it was suppressed by the MSM and social media companies. Had it been the Eric Trump laptop story the MSM would have had a hysterical feeding frenzy over it! ::)
I think Biden will be no more than a figurehead. He is too old and muddled to last the term. If he wins a second term he will be 86 by the end of it. Ms Harris will hold the reins.
I'm glad that Trump is 'a good sport' and has congratulated Biden on his victory. A smooth transition is important. ::)
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To their credit, the Aussie media, in particular and perhaps surprisingly Sky, have been all over everything that has otherwise only been discussed by the likes of Tucker Carlson/Ben Shapiro/Dave Rubin/Stephen Crowder and Timcast and the like whose primary platform has been YouTube.
Biden had no business being nominated and Harris didn't get a single vote from the DNC for the VP nominations. Even Tulsi Gabbard got one nomination and they don't like her because she can hold a debate and asks alot of questions.
The democrats and media can blame everything on Trump, but in reality they have orchestrated everything that has happened thus far. If US democratic process fails, it will be entirely on the Left and the media because destroying the system is the only way they can win without actually shooting Trump... Not sure why they haven't tried that yet as it wouldn't exactly be a first.
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The USA is split right down the middle.
I wonder what the odds are on a Biden assassination. :-X
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The USA is split right down the middle.
I wonder what the odds are on a Biden assassination. :-X
Before or after he keels over? It's a bit of a chicken and egg scenario...
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https://youtu.be/9dZa0U52nPs watch the numbers :o
Ignore the commentary, especially towards the end as the commentator is clearly unhinged...
This actually happened twice, with the first occasion being about 9k votes across three counties.
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I'm past caring who wins the fickin thing.
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It seems likely the vaccine announcement was delayed until after the election result was known.
If true, its outrageous. Its likely that Trump would have made political capital out of it and won the election.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Trump resigns before the inauguration, or refuses to take part
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I wouldn't be surprised if Trump resigns before the inauguration, or refuses to take part
He would have to be dragged kicking and screaming to the inauguration.
I wonder if he has watched the 1st season of “Designated Survivor”?
Probably taking notes on what to do and how to make it work for him
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I wouldn't be surprised if Trump resigns before the inauguration, or refuses to take part
He would have to be dragged kicking and screaming to the inauguration.
I wonder if he has watched the 1st season of “Designated Survivor”?
Probably taking notes on what to do and how to make it work for him
The total-denial briefing he did in the White House was bizarre. The Four Seasons Landscaping incident was just hilarious...
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It seems likely the vaccine announcement was delayed until after the election result was known.
If true, its outrageous. Its likely that Trump would have made political capital out of it and won the election.
Biden too would have made capital of it. Perhaps more so. Dont forget one party wore masks and thought corona virus was a thing. The other party didnt need masks etc etc.
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It seems likely the vaccine announcement was delayed until after the election result was known.
If true, its outrageous. Its likely that Trump would have made political capital out of it and won the election.
Biden too would have made capital of it. Perhaps more so. Dont forget one party wore masks and thought corona virus was a thing. The other party didnt need masks etc etc.
Until they 'won' and then they were all out on streets in big numbers dancing and rubbing shoulders all night. ::)
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It seems likely the vaccine announcement was delayed until after the election result was known.
If true, its outrageous. Its likely that Trump would have made political capital out of it and won the election.
Biden too would have made capital of it. Perhaps more so. Dont forget one party wore masks and thought corona virus was a thing. The other party didnt need masks etc etc.
Until they 'won' and then they were all out on streets in big numbers dancing and rubbing shoulders all night. ::)
When I was an excitable youth, we used to rub more than shoulders.
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It's going to be an interesting couple of weeks, that's for sure...
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It seems likely the vaccine announcement was delayed until after the election result was known.
If true, its outrageous. Its likely that Trump would have made political capital out of it and won the election.
Biden too would have made capital of it. Perhaps more so. Dont forget one party wore masks and thought corona virus was a thing. The other party didnt need masks etc etc.
Until they 'won' and then they were all out on streets in big numbers dancing and rubbing shoulders all night. ::)
When I was an excitable youth, we used to rob more than shoulders.
:D
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It seems likely the vaccine announcement was delayed until after the election result was known.
If true, its outrageous. Its likely that Trump would have made political capital out of it and won the election.
Biden too would have made capital of it. Perhaps more so. Dont forget one party wore masks and thought corona virus was a thing. The other party didnt need masks etc etc.
Until they 'won' and then they were all out on streets in big numbers dancing and rubbing shoulders all night. ::)
When I was an excitable youth, we used to rub more than shoulders.
These are lefty politically correct types though. ::) :P
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It seems likely the vaccine announcement was delayed until after the election result was known.
If true, its outrageous. Its likely that Trump would have made political capital out of it and won the election.
Biden too would have made capital of it. Perhaps more so. Dont forget one party wore masks and thought corona virus was a thing. The other party didnt need masks etc etc.
Until they 'won' and then they were all out on streets in big numbers dancing and rubbing shoulders all night. ::)
When I was an excitable youth, we used to rub more than shoulders.
These are lefty politically correct types though. ::) :P
I would have said I was a Liberal to get my end away ;D
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It seems likely the vaccine announcement was delayed until after the election result was known.
If true, its outrageous. Its likely that Trump would have made political capital out of it and won the election.
Biden too would have made capital of it. Perhaps more so. Dont forget one party wore masks and thought corona virus was a thing. The other party didnt need masks etc etc.
Until they 'won' and then they were all out on streets in big numbers dancing and rubbing shoulders all night. ::)
When I was an excitable youth, we used to rub more than shoulders.
These are lefty politically correct types though. ::) :P
I would have said I was a Liberal to get my end away ;D
I expect you'd have say you are a progressive these days to get your end away! :)
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Trouble is, playing that game, you can't be to sure where your end will end up :-\
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Trouble is, playing that game, you can't be to sure where your end will end up :-\
Any hole's a goal ;D
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https://youtu.be/9dZa0U52nPs watch the numbers :o
What is that video supposed to show or prove? The feed to the CNN is clearly not going to be a direct interface to a centralised vote counting record (especially considering the source data isn't all digital as you have humans counting paper ballots). So what you have is a string of say three people between a counting office, who presumably counts a sheaf of ballots and calls the numbers for each candidate to a press representative who distributes the info, to a spod at CNN who collates all the incoming messages and hands them to another spod who adds them to the on-screen display.
Multiple people interacting every time a ballot is announced, across each one of the 50 states, (tens of?) thousands of interactions total. All by people who will be under pressure to get the news out, fully caffeinated and probably at the thin end of an 18hr day. The potential for a group of ballots to be initially called for the wrong candidate on the tv screen and then corrected is obviously huge if you stop and think about it.
I would also wager there are just as many such 'swings' to Trump, which are no doubt on Youtube if you know the right Tin Foil Hat wearer to subscribe to.
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I think I prefer our system where the result is announced by the Returning Officer when the count and any recount is done and dusted. :y
The media can then report on the actual result, rather than project what they think will happen or what they would like to happen. :-X
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It shows just shy of 20k votes being taken from Trumps count and added to Bidens.
This shows two further significant 'discrepancies' from a slightly more rational perspective...
https://youtu.be/qM-bRZGRzAg
Add all three together and you're in the territory of Bidens lead. And that's just one state.
It's not so much about Trump winning as protecting some semblance of faith in the democratic process...
Pennsylvanias obstruction of count verification is either out of some stubborn pride or they're hiding something.
And it may well cost Biden the election.
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I think I prefer our system where the result is announced by the Returning Officer when the count and any recount is done and dusted. :y
The media can then report on the actual result, rather than project what they think will happen or what they would like to happen. :-X
But the media still do. Just look at that Lady bits Whine on election night making up unlikely shit, just to provoke some outrage.
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People would keep the faith just fine if they didn't watch the shite churned out by YouTube and other fake news sites.
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I think I prefer our system where the result is announced by the Returning Officer when the count and any recount is done and dusted. :y
The media can then report on the actual result, rather than project what they think will happen or what they would like to happen. :-X
But the media still do. Just look at that Lady bits Whine on election night making up unlikely shit, just to provoke some outrage.
His employers should be held liable for that, and he should have been warned that any repeat performance would be as good as a resignation letter. Then Channel 4 could welcome him with open arms.
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Trouble is, playing that game, you can't be to sure where your end will end up :-\
Somewhere warm and wet hopefully! :) ;D
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Trouble is, playing that game, you can't be to sure where your end will end up :-\
Somewhere warm and wet hopefully! :) ;D
Ahh........ Horlicks :y
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Or is it whorelicks? ;D
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It shows just shy of 20k votes being taken from Trumps count and added to Bidens.
No, it doesn't, it shows the CNN feed being changed. Which as I pointed out, need not have any direct link to the actual votes that were cast. They would only be 'taken' if they were subtracted from the totals at the ballot office and then this was re-reported on CNN.
Why, if you were trying to pull off something as monumental as fiddling a state election would you allow that to happen? You would simply wait until the next ballot announcement and switch 20k votes in amongst another group of ballots (let's say each candidate actually got 30k, you'd call 50k for one and 10k for the other).
To do it in the way you describe makes no sense whatsoever.
This shows two further significant 'discrepancies' from a slightly more rational perspective...
https://youtu.be/qM-bRZGRzAg
Add all three together and you're in the territory of Bidens lead. And that's just one state.
the video talks about benfords law, but not what they are trying to apply it to. You cannot apply it to voter ID numbers, because they are not a random population. And you can't apply it to groups of ballots if you think about it. Postal votes get put through the postal system, which automatically groups them but geography, and it's hardly uncommon for an area to be heavily biased to one candidate or the other. So again, not a random population.
And again, Benfords law isn't a secret, so if you were trying to fiddle an election wholesale, why not do it in such a way that applies it so not everyone with a spreadsheet and access to Wikipedia could rumble you?
They also again don't talk about where the underlying vote data they've graphed came from, if it's a media feed, see above regarding the problems with using that.
It's not so much about Trump winning as protecting some semblance of faith in the democratic process...
this I agree with, but Trump himself has made that impossible by acting like a petulant child then giving the appearance of suing his way out of his problems (whether or not he's actually doing that).
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https://wmbriggs.com/post/33400/
That's the source for the data in the Crowder link ;)
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https://wmbriggs.com/post/33400/
That's the source for the data in the Crowder link ;)
And an update regarding Benford's Law in this application...
https://wmbriggs.com/post/33377/
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Trouble is, playing that game, you can't be to sure where your end will end up :-\
Somewhere warm and wet hopefully! :) ;D
Ahh........ Horlicks :y
Is that your pet sheep's name Rae? :)
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Some of the rhetoric and refusal to see the obvious is getting boring now .... along with the wild claims ... perhaps these might help a wee tad ...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54811410
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/54562611
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There was a statement yesterday from Georgia that clarified the nature of the software errors both in Georgia and Michigan, (they use the same software), but that doesn't alter the issues being formally challenged.
Georgia, North Carolina and Arizona are pretty much counted but are, along with Wisconsin and possibly Nevada, close enough to trigger a recount.
Pennsylvania is a whole separate issue, and warrants much closer judicial/independent/bipartisan investigation.
A couple of points that are worth repeating are:
1. Biden is categorically NOT the President Elect until the States all certify their results AND they have been verified by the Electoral College. He certainly shouldn't be presuming that he is, nor publically acting like he is. And I wonder if that the constant media repetition calling Biden 'President Elect' is worthy of a complaint to the Press Complaints Commission. :-\
2. For all the 'speculation', it is a matter for the relevant courts to assess and decide any allegations and evidence and NOT the media.
It's worth noting that the only mainstream media outlet to be openly questioning the situation is Sky News Australia. All the other reporting in anything like a balanced way are is by small independent media companies both here and in the US.
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Just seen the latest 💰
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There was a statement yesterday from Georgia that clarified the nature of the software errors both in Georgia and Michigan, (they use the same software), but that doesn't alter the issues being formally challenged.
Georgia, North Carolina and Arizona are pretty much counted but are, along with Wisconsin and possibly Nevada, close enough to trigger a recount.
Pennsylvania is a whole separate issue, and warrants much closer judicial/independent/bipartisan investigation.
A couple of points that are worth repeating are:
1. Biden is categorically NOT the President Elect until the States all certify their results AND they have been verified by the Electoral College. He certainly shouldn't be presuming that he is, nor publically acting like he is. And I wonder if that the constant media repetition calling Biden 'President Elect' is worthy of a complaint to the Press Complaints Commission. :-\
2. For all the 'speculation', it is a matter for the relevant courts to assess and decide any allegations and evidence and NOT the media.
It's worth noting that the only mainstream media outlet to be openly questioning the situation is Sky News Australia. All the other reporting in anything like a balanced way are is by small independent media companies both here and in the US.
If that is the case then why have spent 32 pages tellling us that you are right and the rest of the world is wrong ???
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The book deal? ??? Most western leaders leave office with one...
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I am as entitled to as much of an opinion as you or the next person.
Just because you don't agree with that opinion doesn't make either opinion right or wrong.
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Just got a copy of the epoch times through my door. Jeez, what a load of old right wing shite. ;D
They love Trump, of course.
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I am as entitled to as much of an opinion as you or the next person.
Just because you don't agree with that opinion doesn't make either opinion right or wrong.
;D ;D ;D ;D Dead right! :y :y :y I will remember that though when you are next attacking me for making a statement of opinion. ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
As for the whole argument: All I know is that in spite of Trump having a very expensive legal team in place and they were due to make an announcement giving proof of a fraudulent election two days ago there has been.......................................silence!! ::) ::) ::) ::)
Let all us Brits just sit back and let the American electoral and legal systems do their business and prove whatever is to be proved ;)
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I am as entitled to as much of an opinion as you or the next person.
Just because you don't agree with that opinion doesn't make either opinion right or wrong.
;D ;D ;D ;D Dead right! :y :y :y I will remember that though when you are next attacking me for making a statement of opinion. ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
As for the whole argument: All I know is that in spite of Trump having a very expensive legal team in place and they were due to make an announcement giving proof of a fraudulent election two days ago there has been.......................................silence!! ::) ::) ::) ::)
Let all us Brits just sit back and let the American electoral and legal systems do their business and prove whatever is to be proved ;)
Silence? Have you seen YouTube recently? ;D
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I am as entitled to as much of an opinion as you or the next person.
Just because you don't agree with that opinion doesn't make either opinion right or wrong.
;D ;D ;D ;D Dead right! :y :y :y I will remember that though when you are next attacking me for making a statement of opinion. ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
As for the whole argument: All I know is that in spite of Trump having a very expensive legal team in place and they were due to make an announcement giving proof of a fraudulent election two days ago there has been.......................................silence!! ::) ::) ::) ::)
Let all us Brits just sit back and let the American electoral and legal systems do their business and prove whatever is to be proved ;)
Silence? Have you seen YouTube recently? ;D
Youtube..................like the rest of social media..............who the Fxck are they?!! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
God help us the day those curses on modern life start dictating what political decisions are made....................oh, hang on, perhaps they do already!! :o :o :o
:D :D ;)
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I am as entitled to as much of an opinion as you or the next person.
Just because you don't agree with that opinion doesn't make either opinion right or wrong.
;D ;D ;D ;D Dead right! :y :y :y I will remember that though when you are next attacking me for making a statement of opinion. ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
As for the whole argument: All I know is that in spite of Trump having a very expensive legal team in place and they were due to make an announcement giving proof of a fraudulent election two days ago there has been.......................................silence!! ::) ::) ::) ::)
Let all us Brits just sit back and let the American electoral and legal systems do their business and prove whatever is to be proved ;)
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I find it best just to ignore some folk Lizzie.
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Some of the rhetoric and refusal to see the obvious is getting boring now .... along with the wild claims ... perhaps these might help a wee tad ...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54811410
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/54562611
How do you think that posting articles from the BBC of all news outlets is going convince any conspiracy theorists? ???
If there is an American establishment plot to get rid of Donald Trump, then you can be sure that the BBC will be up their neck in it along with all the other MSM outlets. The American 'Deep State', both Republican and Democrats, loath Donald Trump with a passion so it's entirely feasible that there's an establishment stitch up going on. We saw it here with BREXIT after all. ::)
The interesting thing is that as things stand the balance of power has edged away from the Democrats in the House of Representatives, and maybe Nancy Pelosi won't get re-elected as Speaker. It looks as though the Republicans will retain control of the Senate, so it's unlikely that Joe Biden can do anything radical with his presidency. It's possible that this is a cosy arrangement for the next 4 years and then all bets are off again.... Unless Trump runs again. ;)
The MSM are all screaming that there's no evidence of electoral fraud. The BBC last week even immediately claimed that Donald Trump was making false claims of irregularities. How did they know? ??? It's not their place to decide whether something like that is false or not. >:( The fact is that, if there has been shenanigans going on to get rid of Trump, they are hardly likely to leave evidence lying around. Are they? ??? So maybe there is evidence out there or maybe not, but I'm sure if there is it will take time and determination to root it out. Time Mr Trump possibly doesn't have. :-\
Finally, I'll repeat what I said earlier about the Hunter Biden laptop story. Had that been the Eric Trump laptop story the MSM would have had a feeding frenzy and would have demanded evidence that Donald Trump didn't profit from his sons dodgy business dealings in Ukraine, Russia and China. As it was the MSM and social media companies suppressed the story and Twitter even suspended the New York Post's account!
Joe Biden will be the 46th President of the United States of America, but for me the whiff of corruption will always follow him around. ::)
I love a good conspiracy theory me! ;D
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Probably a whiff of piss, too ;D
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Probably a whiff of piss, too ;D
That too! ;D
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Lot of theories about Biden being a nonce , keep watching him around women & children keeps touching them .
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Ignoring Pennsylvania, as there's a chance that vote gets annulled, it's fascinating that inspite of everything, the whole race boils down to the population of a modest town.
There's scope for Nevada to flip and Georgia only has military ballots to count, which probably won't go well for Biden, not to mention that between Georgia, North Carolina and Alaska, the Replicans will retain the Senate. And the House is close enough to be a stalemate.
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I am as entitled to as much of an opinion as you or the next person.
Just because you don't agree with that opinion doesn't make either opinion right or wrong.
;D ;D ;D ;D Dead right! :y :y :y I will remember that though when you are next attacking me for making a statement of opinion. ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
As for the whole argument: All I know is that in spite of Trump having a very expensive legal team in place and they were due to make an announcement giving proof of a fraudulent election two days ago there has been.......................................silence!! ::) ::) ::) ::)
Let all us Brits just sit back and let the American electoral and legal systems do their business and prove whatever is to be proved ;)
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I find it best just to ignore some folk Lizzie.
That is a sensible policy Rangie :D :D :y
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Georgia is about to start a Statewide full manual recount.
Only 14,000 votes out of 5.2 million between Trump and Biden.
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Georgia is about to start a Statewide full manual recount.
Only 14,000 votes out of 5.2 million between Trump and Biden.
Who fùckin cares? ;D
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Er, besides the 71 million or so who didn't vote for Biden? Not to mention everyone about to get caught up in the subsequent carnage... ::)
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Er, besides the 71 million or so who didn't vote for Biden? Not to mention everyone about to get caught up in the subsequent carnage... ::)
You're not preaching to those people, though, you're telling a few people on a car forum. Post a video on YouTube or twit a tweet or something. Anyone who is remotely interested can get the figures that suit their point of view from the various conspiracy theorist sites that abound.
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I think Trump should burn in hell, if only for the fact that another 1495 people died from coronavirus yesterday, taking the total to almost a quarter of a million. The stupid bastard actively encouraged people to go out without a mask.
Pleeeeease don't say 'Yeah, but look what's happening.......', because it doesn't matter what's happening any where else. He is solely responsible for the huge amount of cases and deaths in America.
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That's perhaps a stretch, but I'm sure there will plenty of people in the queue with him.
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That's perhaps a stretch, but I'm sure there will plenty of people in the queue with him.
Yeah, his buddy Bolsanaro for one.
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It's not Trumps fault
It's called the "Chinese virus" for a reason :D ;D :-X :-[
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That's perhaps a stretch, but I'm sure there will plenty of people in the queue with him.
Yeah, his buddy Bolsanaro for one.
That the chappie busy burning the Amazon basin to make space to grow more soya beans for the veganist lefties?
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That's perhaps a stretch, but I'm sure there will plenty of people in the queue with him.
Yeah, his buddy Bolsanaro for one.
That the chappie busy burning the Amazon basin to make space to grow more soya beans for the veganist lefties?
Wouldn't know. Trump loves him, I know that, because he was another covid denier.
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Not that it'll make any difference but Trump has won in Alaska.
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It helps the Senate and House balance. And it's another 3 Electoral College votes to add to the tally for the recounts ;)
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The Democrats can only control the Senate if they take both of Georgia's Senate seats, and even then only with the Vice President's casting vote as the Republicans have 50 seats. ;)
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Georgia is about to start a Statewide full manual recount.
Only 14,000 votes out of 5.2 million between Trump and Biden.
Yes, recounts are renowned for finding thousands of 'miscounted' votes ;D . We have recounts if the disparity is in double figures, and not always then. More than one recount is often required to reach a conclusion.
Calling for them when the difference is well into five figures is (another) sign of desperation or inability to face reality.
Another thing to consider is that Trump was elected by the electoral college rather than the popular vote. Now he didn't get either, he's allowed his petulant side free reign. Which would be comical if he wasn't trying to do a serious job.
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Except Georgia has more votes yet to be counted (22,000) than the difference between the two parties (14,091), notwithstanding the county ballots that they are now recounting ;)
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Another thing to consider is that Trump was elected by the electoral college rather than the popular vote. Now he didn't get either, he's allowed his petulant side free reign. Which would be comical if he wasn't trying to do a serious job.
Therin lies the problem of course, more or less whatever happens now, if Trump does manage to cling on, which I doubt, he will struggle to look legitimate over the next four years.
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Another thing to consider is that Trump was elected by the electoral college rather than the popular vote. Now he didn't get either, he's allowed his petulant side free reign. Which would be comical if he wasn't trying to do a serious job.
Therin lies the problem of course, more or less whatever happens now, if Trump does manage to cling on, which I doubt, he will struggle to look legitimate over the next four years.
Some say he's struggled to look legitimate over the past four years and has only lived at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue due to help from his friends in Russia, China, or Outer Space! So no change there really. ;D
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Quite honestly I don't think any other US President has suffered so much "micky taking" during their time in office , he is without doubt a successful businessman but as a President perhaps not.
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You say that, but he has never run away from all the crap that's been thrown at him and it hasn't stopped him from getting stuff done. ;)
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You say that, but he has never run away from all the crap that's been thrown at him and it hasn't stopped him from getting stuff done. ;)
He's too thick to understand most of it.
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You say that, but he has never run away from all the crap that's been thrown at him and it hasn't stopped him from getting stuff done. ;)
He's too thick to understand most of it.
I'm now really hoping that he has the evidence he needs and is sitting on it until the right moment. The leftie outrage would be spectacular! ;D
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You say that, but he has never run away from all the crap that's been thrown at him and it hasn't stopped him from getting stuff done. ;)
He's too thick to understand most of it.
I'm now really hoping that he has the evidence he needs and is sitting on it until the right moment. The leftie outrage would be spectacular! ;D
Hopefully it has been presented to the courts as they only have a limited window. ::)
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Not a fan of Trump or Biden but we are where we are. :-X
The conspiracy theory is simply delusional and there is still no real evidence from the republicans.
If Trump had said the vote is close and he would like a recount that would have been reasonable, much like in 2000.
However, he has turned everything up to eleven gone straight to the whole election being an X-Files type democrat fix up.....which will delight and inspire the more delusional of his supporters. :-\
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Not a fan of Trump or Biden but we are where we are. :-X
The conspiracy theory is simply delusional and there is still no real evidence from the republicans.
If Trump had said the vote is close and he would like a recount that would have been reasonable, much like in 2000.
However, he has turned everything up to eleven gone straight to the whole election being an X-Files type democrat fix up.....which will delight and inspire the more delusional of his supporters. :-\
Smoke and mirrors ;)
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Not a fan of Trump or Biden but we are where we are. :-X
The conspiracy theory is simply delusional and there is still no real evidence from the republicans.
If Trump had said the vote is close and he would like a recount that would have been reasonable, much like in 2000.
However, he has turned everything up to eleven gone straight to the whole election being an X-Files type democrat fix up.....which will delight and inspire the more delusional of his supporters. :-\
Smoke and mirrors ;)
Can you imagine what would happen if Biden was suddenly told you are not going to be the next president.........It would certainly be entertaining but it is not going to happen. :)
......and if it did. :-\ :-\
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Not a fan of Trump or Biden but we are where we are. :-X
The conspiracy theory is simply delusional and there is still no real evidence from the republicans.
If Trump had said the vote is close and he would like a recount that would have been reasonable, much like in 2000.
However, he has turned everything up to eleven gone straight to the whole election being an X-Files type democrat fix up.....which will delight and inspire the more delusional of his supporters. :-\
Smoke and mirrors ;)
more like a tanTrump....
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I was people would revert to the good old American way.......and shoot the c**t. ;D
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I was people would revert to the good old American way.......and shoot the c**t. ;D
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Could that really happen in the good old USA ?😁😁😁
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I was people would revert to the good old American way.......and shoot the c**t. ;D
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Could that really happen in the good old USA ?😁😁😁
Shoot the both of the doddering old farts :y
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I was people would revert to the good old American way.......and shoot the c**t. ;D
It would have been a lot less hassle ::)
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Quite honestly I don't think any other US President has suffered so much "micky taking" during their time in office , he is without doubt a successful businessman but as a President perhaps not.
Sorry Rangie, but in my book he is not. Read this:
https://www.businessinsider.com/the-story-of-trumps-business-career-his-taxes-and-his-debt-2020-9?r=US&IR=T
and this to add some balance :
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/02/29/the-myth-and-the-reality-of-donald-trumps-business-empire/
and
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/donald-trumps-13-biggest-business-failures-59556/
both from 2016 before becoming President.
In my business career I would have quickly been dismissed as a failure and lost my job if my record was anything like that. It is one reason why he has paid so little tax; his "business" interests run at a loss and then go bankrupt! ::) ::) ;)
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None of that is 'balanced' ;D
The media has generally no interest in publishing anything that reflects positively on Trump, especially in the last five years. And what they do report gets presented in such a way so as to spin your perspective between the headline and the text.
For example: 'Trump only paid $750 in taxes'
Could equally have read: 'Trumps tax return shows he donated his Presidential salary'
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Apparently Trump inherited $413,000,000 from his father, (2018 figures) and HIS WHOLE FAMILY is now worth $200,000,000 (2020 figures)
It appears his personal net wealth cannot be estimated due to the many interlinks to internal family affairs and the large amount od debt he holds.
I CBA to post links as they will instantly be decried as "false", "unbalanced" or "biased" - Google will find no end of them for you........ and they can't all be wrong ... unless you are either paranoid or it is a conspiracy .......
Not what I'd describe as "succesful" ... losing over $200,000,000 ... most "successful" businesses "make" money ....
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I am saying nothing more on this thread.
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Thought this was quite revealing:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08svdkn
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Not what I'd describe as "succesful" ... losing over $200,000,000 ... most "successful" businesses "make" money ....
And hide it away :y
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By the way this thread is going , he will be having trips to the food bank next 😂 he's got more cash than any of us could ever hope to have if that's unsuccessful I'll have some .
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By the way this thread is going , he will be having trips to the food bank next 😂 he's got more cash than any of us could ever hope to have if that's unsuccessful I'll have some .
There have been reports (no doubt rubbished by you know who) that both New York State and Florida have criminal tax evasion charges waiting for ole Trumpy once he's no longer President. Apparantly States can't bring charges against a sitting president for state laws. However, once he's booted out they can, and apparently the new president can't pardon people for state law convictions - only federal crimes can be pardoned.
So Trump could yet get to see big Bubba in the showers. Or burn through millions in legal fees defending the charges.
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He may well be in the White House for another four years yet... ::)
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He may well be in the White House for another four years yet... ::)
Really?!!
US election security officials reject Trump's fraud claims
US federal election officials have said the 2020 White House vote was the "most secure in American history", rejecting President Donald Trump's fraud claims.
"There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised," a committee announced.
They spoke out after Mr Trump claimed without proof that 2.7 million votes for him had been "deleted".
To add to Biden's victory, Arizona this morning has been declared to him giving Biden another 11 electoral votes.
So, is that going to make you concede DG? ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;)
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Think that you are spot on Lizzie, in all fairness he never stood a chance with his ridiculous claims just made himself look like a fool.
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Interesting website ..... well worth a read ...
https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol
This is a USA Government website, a part of the Dept. of Homeland Security, staffed by folks appointed by the President, not a press, twitter or facebook link to be seen.
His answer to their integrity and honesty ?? Demand the resignation of the Deputy, and rumour has it, the Director as well ... how does the saying go .."Never let the truth ....... ???
Edited for smelling pistakes ....
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I said I wouldn't post again, but... ;D ;D ;D
What a bellend he is.
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Only when the recounts are done and all the votes are certified and the electoral college rubber stamp it does it become fact.
Until then, all bets are off regardless of how much the media or office of the president elect ;D jump up and down.
Arizona is close enough for a recount as well.
Basically there's a process to get through regardless of any issues or complaints. ;)
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I imagine Putin is enjoying a chuckle over this whole sorry episode.
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I imagine Putin is enjoying a chuckle over this whole sorry episode.
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I would imagine anyone with any sense is having a damn good laugh , always said that Donald was entertaining & he hasn't failed..😄😄😄
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Only when the recounts are done and all the votes are certified and the electoral college rubber stamp it does it become fact.
Until then, all bets are off regardless of how much the media or office of the president elect ;D jump up and down.
Arizona is close enough for a recount as well.
Basically there's a process to get through regardless of any issues or complaints. ;)
You're right about the bets. You can't back Biden, because he's won, Trump is 100,000,000,000/1 ;D
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At those odds, I would pay Trumps tax bill if he won ;D
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https://youtu.be/5MkWO0lhgn4 ;D
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And a straight forward Aussie take on the whole thing...
https://youtu.be/My6KBYuRZEQ
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In another twist...
https://newsthump.com/2020/11/16/donald-trump-claims-victory-at-master-after-convincing-officials-to-stop-counting-his-score-after-9-holes/ (https://newsthump.com/2020/11/16/donald-trump-claims-victory-at-master-after-convincing-officials-to-stop-counting-his-score-after-9-holes/) ;D
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You'll be laughing upside down when his second term is confirmed ;D
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You'll be laughing upside down when his second term is confirmed ;D
In 2024?
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You'll be laughing upside down when his second term is confirmed ;D
Concurrent with all the others?
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Well, well, well...
https://youtu.be/buQCdCSDWQQ
If there's any grounds to their allegations, then it's about a hell of alot more than Donald.
If they manage to prove in court half of what has been alleged, then Biden won't be President anytime soon :o
Vid starts ahead of the actual briefing, about 1'45'' from the end.
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This one is more like it
https://youtu.be/pGMEZXEkvGs
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Its a pity the media dont shine a light on Harris, the soon to be VP. Theres plenty of dirt on her.
Her life in politics started in her 20,s when she was shagging a rich unfluential man in his 60,s. Her morals went sharply downhill after that !
She evidently cares about nothing or no-one, just her career. Covering up of kiddy fiddler priests because it would harm her funding not to. >:(
https://kreately.in/does-church-fund-kamala-harris-and-her-other-shady-shenanigans/
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/kamala-harris-refused-to-pursue-criminal-cases-against-sex-offenders/
https://theintercept.com/2019/06/09/kamala-harris-san-francisco-catholic-church-child-abuse/
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US politics has always had a dark side:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9pxPNsLN_s
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Ah yes, The Kennedys... Taught The Clintons everything they know... :-X
Joking aside, looks like a good watch :y
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Biden wins the recount in Georgia.
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Biden wins the recount in Georgia.
Well, as was pointed out yesterday... Recounting all the allegedly fraudulent votes should give a similar count to the first one. Notwithstanding three sets of ballots that they 'forgot' to upload :-X
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Biden wins the recount in Georgia.
Well, as was pointed out yesterday... Recounting all the allegedly fraudulent votes should give a similar count to the first one. Notwithstanding three sets of ballots that they 'forgot' to upload :-X
Pointed out by a bunch of sore losers. He's gone.
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I think that Trump was probably stitched up, but at some point will have to accept that he can't beat the might of the American establishment.
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I think that Trump was probably stitched up, but at some point will have to accept that he can't beat the might of the American establishment.
Stitched up? By a whole electorate? ;D
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For the sake of his country, 'at some point' should have been last week. But I don't think Donald cares about his country, I think he cares about his own bloated ego.
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I think that Trump was probably stitched up, but at some point will have to accept that he can't beat the might of the American establishment.
Stitched up? By a whole electorate? ;D
No the establishment, deep state, the swamp call it what you will.
There's too many stories of irregularities for this to have been a straight election. No smoke without fire.... There's a lot of smoke hanging around, but the fire was put out and the embers cleared away long ago. :)
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I think that Trump was probably stitched up, but at some point will have to accept that he can't beat the might of the American establishment.
Stitched up? By a whole electorate? ;D
No the establishment, deep state, the swamp call it what you will.
There's too many stories of irregularities for this to have been a straight election. No smoke without fire.... There's a lot of smoke hanging around, but the fire was put out and the embers cleared away long ago. :)
There is no deep state, the stories of irregularities come from Donald's supporters, hence plenty of smoke but no fire. But, no doubt, conspiracy theories will abound, while normal people just get on with their lives.
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Joe will make policy, visit world leaders, etc, all the things a president does. Donald will make videos on YouTube telling anyone who will listen about the Martians influencing the election.
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No the establishment, deep state, the swamp call it what you will.
There's too many stories of irregularities for this to have been a straight election. No smoke without fire.... There's a lot of smoke hanging around, but the fire was put out and the embers cleared away long ago. :)
There are 240million potential voters, voting in locally run elections that have varying systems. There are always going to be irregularities. Some of those are going to be deliberate, but it's very difficult to do it so unobtrusively that an intelligent observer can't prove it. Which is proving to be the case here, as even the lawyers employed to bring the cases are saying.
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I think recounts have mostly just found marginal errors, not the numbers that would alter a result. In any case it's starting to become sort of silly -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AY5IZR8i7I
As I quite like comparisons, it's beginning to make Nixon/Agnew quite respectable (and not in a good way)
This is also worth a look -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9S1RKNgdLw
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Much like the fly during the VP debate, the media seem to prefer picking out derogatory details to belittle the individuals rather than focusing on the substance.
Would it have been reported differently if Giuliani had not been present? Possibly :-\
If the allegations that they raised have any substance, then they have far reaching implications and it would be an affront to EVERYONE who voted in good faith if they aren't thoroughly investigated as the only reason not to do so would be to hide something.
Of course, if the media don't want to acknowledge that, then they may as well have not bothered turning up.
As Giuliani said, there's no point handing the media evidence as they would only ignore it. Apparently he isn't wrong. Besides, the basics are included in the individual filings of each case.
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Donald should have drained the swamp when he had the chance. It is now sucking him below its surface, and right or wrong wont matter in the slightest. He has lost the fight.
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Donald should have drained the swamp when he had the chance. It is now sucking him below its surface, and right or wrong wont matter in the slightest. He has lost the fight.
I see another civil war in the US of A.
Seventy million heavily armed Trump voters against 75 million democrat voters armed with stout sandals and a manual on 'wokeness'.
It could be a bloodbath. :)
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I hope it doesn't come to that, but it's what the left will do that starts it, not what the 2nd ammendment lot does.
Put another way, how many Trump supporters have spent the summer rioting and looting?
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I hope it doesn't come to that, but it's what the left will do that starts it, not what the 2nd ammendment lot does.
Put another way, how many Trump supporters have spent the summer rioting and looting?
They had no need to riot and loot, their messiah was still in the White House.
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I hope it doesn't come to that, but it's what the left will do that starts it, not what the 2nd ammendment lot does.
Put another way, how many Trump supporters have spent the summer rioting and looting?
They had no need to riot and loot, their messiah was still in the White House.
There has been a couple of big rallies/demos in support of Trump since the election and the only violence that has flared up is when the Antifa/BLM lot have weighed in. ::)
Trump supporters are characterised as a bunch of violent nutters straining at the leash, but the reality is that the vast majority are ordinary working class types just hoping for a better quality of life like anyone else, anywhere else in the world. ;)
They do have guns and pick ups though... ;D
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Apparently Tennessee sold out of bullets and coffee at the start of November ;D
You can guarantee that it won't be Republican run states that are closed down if Biden does become President. They simply won't allow a full lockdown.
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I don't even know why I'm discussing the pros and cons of this, I really don't care who is in the White House. I just intensely dislike Trump as a person.
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Apparently Tennessee sold out of bullets and coffee at the start of November ;D
You can guarantee that it won't be Republican run states that are closed down if Biden does become President. They simply won't allow a full lockdown.
Very clever. Maybe death will shut them up.
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Lockdowns don't work. Nor would they without literally locking everyone in their homes. And that's simply not going to happen. Unless you happen to be living in China.
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Trumps a prick but at least he’s achieved something, Biden’s far worse.
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Trumps a prick but at least he’s achieved something, Biden’s far worse.
Yes, he's proved that even Americans can only stomach one term of the Reality TV 'personality' candidate.
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Trumps a prick but at least he’s achieved something, Biden’s far worse.
List his achievements, please.
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I'll start:
He pulled out of theParis climate agreement.
He pulled out of the Iran nuclear deal
He pulled out of the WHO
Your turn
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I'll start:
He pulled out of theParis climate agreement.
He pulled out of the Iran nuclear deal
He pulled out of the WHO
Your turn
He is good at pussy grabbing.
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He tried but failed to build a wall.
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He fell in love with an Asian dictator.
Which sounds like a Lloyd Webber title ;D
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Trumps a prick but at least he’s achieved something, Biden’s far worse.
List his achievements, please.
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I’ll save my time by quoting an earlier
Taxes are lower.
The US is energy self sufficient.
The Middle East is largely quieter.
The US military is largely back home.
The US economy is stronger than it was four years ago, inspite of Batflu.
The promised wall is almost finished. (granted, processing asylum seekers in a foreign country in such a direct manner is controversial, but it works for Australia and we're considering sending ours to St Helena :-X)
What's not to like? Unless you're Joe Biden or the establishment elites (Clintons/Obama/Pelosi/Schumer et al) and have been royally exposed for the money grabbing shysters that they are... ::)
Do you question this? He’s not good by far, but he has given a kick in the arse to the usual crap, mind you I would question his sanity and think he’s pretty dangerous.
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He fell in love with an Asian dictator.
Which sounds like a Lloyd Webber title ;D
If that turns up as a musical, sue him
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I'll start:
He pulled out of theParis climate agreement.
He pulled out of the Iran nuclear deal
He pulled out of the WHO
Your turn
You say that like any of it is negative...
He reversed Nafta and the broken bits of Obamacare
Reduced unemployment inspite of the Chinese virus.
He grew the economy, again inspite of the Chinese virus. He has brought all but a handful of US troops home, (the rest hopefully be on their way as this term ends.
He has orchestrated at least three Middlle East accords.
He has made the US energy self sufficient.
Average wages are $6,000 higher than the post 2008 stagnation.
And inspite of first impressions, he hasn't started a single foreign war*
Basically, at risk of repeating myself, more than any Democrat President has managed managed since the Seventies. Combined.
Unfortunately, because the media only have one perspective, "Orangemanbad" no one actually knows about any of that outside his support base.
*with the caveat that he will doubtless get the blame for the next domestic one :-X
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I'll start:
He pulled out of theParis climate agreement.
He pulled out of the Iran nuclear deal
He pulled out of the WHO
Your turn
You say that like any of it is negative...
He reversed Nafta and the broken bits of Obamacare
Reduced unemployment inspite of the Chinese virus.
He grew the economy, again inspite of the Chinese virus. He has brought all but a handful of US troops home, (the rest hopefully be on their way as this term ends.
He has orchestrated at least three Middlle East accords.
He has made the US energy self sufficient.
Average wages are $6,000 higher than the post 2008 stagnation.
And inspite of first impressions, he hasn't started a single foreign war*
Basically, at risk of repeating myself, more than any Democrat President has managed managed since the Seventies. Combined.
Unfortunately, because the media only have one perspective, "Orangemanbad" no one actually knows about any of that outside his support base.
*with the caveat that he will doubtless get the blame for the next domestic one :-X
Some of that is good...for America, not for the rest of the world. If you think that's a good thing, move there.
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And just now...
https://youtu.be/oyQFmV00RYM :y
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I'll start:
He pulled out of theParis climate agreement.
He pulled out of the Iran nuclear deal
He pulled out of the WHO
Your turn
You say that like any of it is negative...
He reversed Nafta and the broken bits of Obamacare
Reduced unemployment inspite of the Chinese virus.
He grew the economy, again inspite of the Chinese virus. He has brought all but a handful of US troops home, (the rest hopefully be on their way as this term ends.
He has orchestrated at least three Middlle East accords.
He has made the US energy self sufficient.
Average wages are $6,000 higher than the post 2008 stagnation.
And inspite of first impressions, he hasn't started a single foreign war*
Basically, at risk of repeating myself, more than any Democrat President has managed managed since the Seventies. Combined.
Unfortunately, because the media only have one perspective, "Orangemanbad" no one actually knows about any of that outside his support base.
*with the caveat that he will doubtless get the blame for the next domestic one :-X
Some of that is good...for America, not for the rest of the world. If you think that's a good thing, move there.
Once in a position to do so, I may just do that :y
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I'll start:
He pulled out of theParis climate agreement.
He pulled out of the Iran nuclear deal
He pulled out of the WHO
Your turn
You say that like any of it is negative...
He reversed Nafta and the broken bits of Obamacare
Reduced unemployment inspite of the Chinese virus.
He grew the economy, again inspite of the Chinese virus. He has brought all but a handful of US troops home, (the rest hopefully be on their way as this term ends.
He has orchestrated at least three Middlle East accords.
He has made the US energy self sufficient.
Average wages are $6,000 higher than the post 2008 stagnation.
And inspite of first impressions, he hasn't started a single foreign war*
Basically, at risk of repeating myself, more than any Democrat President has managed managed since the Seventies. Combined.
Unfortunately, because the media only have one perspective, "Orangemanbad" no one actually knows about any of that outside his support base.
*with the caveat that he will doubtless get the blame for the next domestic one :-X
Some of that is good...for America, not for the rest of the world. If you think that's a good thing, move there.
Once in a position to do so, I may just do that :y
Promise?
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You could ride around in a truck with a gun...like IS do. :y
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Sounds great. I might join him. :y :)
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Sounds great. I might join him. :y :)
The guns and trucks would be too big for you ;D
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You think so ? ??? :D
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You think so ? ??? :D
Yeah, your back would be killing you after a few riots. You'd be back like a shot ;D
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I'll send you a postcard :-*
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I'll send you a postcard :-*
In your fickin dreams ;D
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I hope Scotland gets independence cause that's where we're likely to end up.
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That's why they shut the border... :D
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It's our (my) intention to end up there for my final years. Whether it will happen or not...... :-\
Suppose I might settle for North Yorkshire.
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Dad managed two years in Orkney before he died. His wife is still there and happily settled.
Worth doing, even you only get a few years to appreciate it :y
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I hope Scotland gets independence cause that's where we're likely to end up.
Why would you move to one of the few countries that gets worse weather than England?
Also it's more socialist up there, which seems to be a naughty word in these parts 🤣
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I hope Scotland gets independence cause that's where we're likely to end up.
Why would you move to one of the few countries that gets worse weather than England?
English weather is bad :o ?
We don't have extremes of hot or cold. How often does it get to -10°, or over 35? Some places get worse than that at each end of their seasons.
We don't get strong winds that go on for weeks. Same applies to rain; no matter how much we moan about it, we don't get nonstop downpours for weeks.
Snow? We get so little that there's nothing e can do about it except wait a few days for it to disappear. That's melt away completely, not get pushed to the side of the road for another two months. Or need snow chains.
We're a small island in a temperate climate, so water isn't really a problem. And those problems are largely down to shitty management of our water suppliers.
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Mm, you don’t moan about the weather?... are you sure you’re British ::) ;D
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Meanwhile, back on track...
https://youtu.be/g4kgst0BUjE
Looks like they've found some embers...
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Mm, you don’t moan about the weather?... are you sure you’re British ::) ;D
Of course I do.
That drizzle down the back of my neck on what started as a warm, morning with a gentle breeze? It's err, uncomfortable.
Putting up a tent which I can normally do on my own in under five minutes, but now takes 3 of us 15 minutes before we can have a beer because a near gale force wind started the moment I unzipped the bag? Bloody annoying.
Having to drink an extra 2 litres of water to avoid the slightly dizzy feeling of mild sunstroke if I'm working outside all day in August? It better be chilled water!
Cycling into a heavy wind that seems to be blowing down every hill that I need to go up(and there's lots of those when you live on the North Downs). Very tiring.
Needing to wipe the condensation of all the car windows in November before driving away? That 20 seconds is far too long >:(
Etc, etc :y
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Very good, excellent whinging ;D :y
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Just for fun -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxV3_bG1EHA
I can't quite believe this was 10 years ago. On a serious note, it seems to be quite common that US presidents are assessed differently when they are in office and when they are ex-presidents. I suppose UK PMs are much the same.
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Obama looks particularly obnoxious on the cover of In Style... Reminded me of Tone B Liar, certainly cut from the same cantish cloth :-X
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English weather is bad :o ?
We don't have extremes of hot or cold. How often does it get to -10°, or over 35? Some places get worse than that at each end of their seasons.
We don't get strong winds that go on for weeks. Same applies to rain; no matter how much we moan about it, we don't get nonstop downpours for weeks.
Snow? We get so little that there's nothing e can do about it except wait a few days for it to disappear. That's melt away completely, not get pushed to the side of the road for another two months. Or need snow chains.
We're a small island in a temperate climate, so water isn't really a problem. And those problems are largely down to shitty management of our water suppliers.
I take your point in the water supply, but in general I prefer countries that have four defined seasons, rather than four different temperatures of drizzle. ;D
This year has been an exception to the usual rule.inbthat we did have a decent summer. But more than a 1 in 6-8 shot at some sunshine in a year would be nice.
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Obama looks particularly obnoxious on the cover of In Style... Reminded me of Tone B Liar, certainly cut from the same cantish cloth :-X
Useful case in point - was/still is generally popular, but some question what he actually achieved.
Richard Nixon was, I think, not well liked but was certainly able and hard working. A lot of baggage, however. If you're in the mood, this is a worthwhile 50 mins:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV9JT4pZH_o
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Pennsylvania, November 22
A judge in Pennsylvania has dismissed a lawsuit from the Trump campaign that sought to invalidate millions of mail-in votes in the battleground state.
In the ruling Judge Brann wrote that the Trump campaign had tried to "disenfranchise almost seven million voters".
He said his "court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations".
"In the United States of America, this cannot justify the disenfranchisement of a single voter, let alone all the voters of its sixth most populated state," the judge wrote.
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Pennsylvania, November 22
A judge in Pennsylvania has dismissed a lawsuit from the Trump campaign that sought to invalidate millions of mail-in votes in the battleground state.
In the ruling Judge Brann wrote that the Trump campaign had tried to "disenfranchise almost seven million voters".
He said his "court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations".
"In the United States of America, this cannot justify the disenfranchisement of a single voter, let alone all the voters of its sixth most populated state," the judge wrote.
What is Trump hoping to achieve?
Why not go to Joe Biden shake his hand and say well done Mr President.
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Pennsylvania, November 22
A judge in Pennsylvania has dismissed a lawsuit from the Trump campaign that sought to invalidate millions of mail-in votes in the battleground state.
In the ruling Judge Brann wrote that the Trump campaign had tried to "disenfranchise almost seven million voters".
He said his "court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations".
"In the United States of America, this cannot justify the disenfranchisement of a single voter, let alone all the voters of its sixth most populated state," the judge wrote.
What is Trump hoping to achieve?
Why not go to Joe Biden shake his hand and say well done Mr President.
Because he thinks he's been stitched up by the establishment? ::)
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Pennsylvania, November 22
A judge in Pennsylvania has dismissed a lawsuit from the Trump campaign that sought to invalidate millions of mail-in votes in the battleground state.
In the ruling Judge Brann wrote that the Trump campaign had tried to "disenfranchise almost seven million voters".
He said his "court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations".
"In the United States of America, this cannot justify the disenfranchisement of a single voter, let alone all the voters of its sixth most populated state," the judge wrote.
What is Trump hoping to achieve?
Why not go to Joe Biden shake his hand and say well done Mr President.
Because he thinks he's been stitched up by the establishment? ::)
......and has he been? Or is he delusional? :)
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Pennsylvania, November 22
A judge in Pennsylvania has dismissed a lawsuit from the Trump campaign that sought to invalidate millions of mail-in votes in the battleground state.
In the ruling Judge Brann wrote that the Trump campaign had tried to "disenfranchise almost seven million voters".
He said his "court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations".
"In the United States of America, this cannot justify the disenfranchisement of a single voter, let alone all the voters of its sixth most populated state," the judge wrote.
What is Trump hoping to achieve?
Why not go to Joe Biden shake his hand and say well done Mr President.
Because he thinks he's been stitched up by the establishment? ::)
......and has he been? Or is he delusional? :)
No he is just a raving mad egotistical bastard! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;)
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He's been fighting them every step of the way.
Incidentally, it is his constitutional right to defend his presidency within the legal system, even if he loses.
https://www.archives.gov/electoral-college/key-dates
Trump doesn't have to concede. And even if the States all certify their results, the Electors can vote against the majority unless individual State Law requires them to follow the majority. And even then, it only takes one Senator and one Congressman/woman to formally appeal the results in writing to stop the process.
This won't be over until January 6th...
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He's been fighting them every step of the way.
Incidentally, it is his constitutional right to defend his presidency within the legal system, even if he loses.
https://www.archives.gov/electoral-college/key-dates
Trump doesn't have to concede. And even if the States all certify their results, the Electors can vote against the majority unless individual State Law requires them to follow the majority. And even then, it only takes one Senator and one Congressman/woman to formally appeal the results in writing to stop the process.
This won't be over until January 6th...
Oh, so that makes it all ok then?! ::) ::) ::) :)
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It's a process, enshrined in the constitution. You and the media and Biden can scream and shout all you like, Biden isn't President Elect until January 6th when the House and Senate say so. ;D
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It's a process, enshrined in the constitution. You and the media and Biden can scream and shout all you like, Biden isn't President Elect until January 6th when the House and Senate say so. ;D
But I'm not, as unlike you apparently I will let the American democratic process do it's stuff for the majority of Americans to get the President they have voted for, without constantly trying to back a loser. Give it up man. You are British and you would always come third in Trump's book no matter how "great" you think this egotistical monster is. ::) ::) ::) ::)
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If Trump loses, so be it, but he's not obliged to concede until January.
Put another way, what would your opinion be if he were to concede only for it to subsequently be proven that Biden was elected fraudulently?
It would be akin to resigning ahead of a disciplinary process knowing that you are morally in the right. Once you quit, you cannot come back.
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If Trump loses, so be it, but he's not obliged to concede until January.
Put another way, what would your opinion be if he were to concede only for it to subsequently be proven that Biden was elected fraudulently?
It would be akin to resigning ahead of a disciplinary process knowing that you are morally in the right. Once you quit, you cannot come back.
So you really do think that is possible after NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER has been found to support Trump's ludicrous claims? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
All he is doing is holding up and hindering the democratic process of his Country and creating dangerous tensions amoungst his supporters. >:( >:( >:(
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He's deranged, Lizzie, most Trump supporters are. I'm not particularly fussed about America, unlike some, so I think it will be quite amusing to watch the whole bunch of mongrel colonists go down the pan ;D
It can only be a matter of years before China overtakes them both financially and technologically anyway. Of course, if someone like the lunatic Trump is in charge when that happens, then he would probably blow the whole world up before that was allowed to happen.
'Them Chinese stole all out tech and money. It's not fair, boo hoo' ;D
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If Trump loses, so be it, but he's not obliged to concede until January.
Put another way, what would your opinion be if he were to concede only for it to subsequently be proven that Biden was elected fraudulently?
It would be akin to resigning ahead of a disciplinary process knowing that you are morally in the right. Once you quit, you cannot come back.
So you really do think that is possible after NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER has been found to support Trump's ludicrous claims? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
All he is doing is holding up and hindering the democratic process of his Country and creating dangerous tensions amoungst his supporters. >:( >:( >:(
To your last point, it's a process. He IS following the democratic process. The link I posted earlier this afternoon clearly explains the timeline and procedure of the process. It doesn't end until January 6th, regardless the concensus.
To your first point? Who says no evidence has been found? The media?
Starter for ten...
https://www.sos.texas.gov/elections/laws/dominion.shtml
And every court decision can be appealled to a higher court. And each occasion that happens, buys time.
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He's deranged, Lizzie, most Trump supporters are. I'm not particularly fussed about America, unlike some, so I think it will be quite amusing to watch the whole bunch of mongrel colonists go down the pan ;D
It can only be a matter of years before China overtakes them both financially and technologically anyway. Of course, if someone like the lunatic Trump is in charge when that happens, then he would probably blow the whole world up before that was allowed to happen.
'Them Chinese stole all out tech and money. It's not fair, boo hoo' ;D
Yes Steve, that about sums it for me :y :y :y
It is a good job that the Democratic voting States are mingled with those of the Republicans. With Trump and many of his heavily armed supporters he could otherwise be tempted to use the ultimate solution on them as he probably thinks any nuclear fall out would not affect him!! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
He is that deranged after all! :D ;)
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If Trump loses, so be it, but he's not obliged to concede until January.
Put another way, what would your opinion be if he were to concede only for it to subsequently be proven that Biden was elected fraudulently?
It would be akin to resigning ahead of a disciplinary process knowing that you are morally in the right. Once you quit, you cannot come back.
So you really do think that is possible after NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER has been found to support Trump's ludicrous claims? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
All he is doing is holding up and hindering the democratic process of his Country and creating dangerous tensions amoungst his supporters. >:( >:( >:(
To your last point, it's a process. He IS following the democratic process. The link I posted earlier this afternoon clearly explains the timeline and procedure of the process. It doesn't end until January 6th, regardless the concensus.
To your first point? Who says no evidence has been found? The media?
Starter for ten...
https://www.sos.texas.gov/elections/laws/dominion.shtml
And every court decision can be appealled to a higher court. And each occasion that happens, buys time.
I am not going to waste my time typing anymore on all this apart from reminding you of King Canute who proved to those around him that even as King he could not turn the tide. Nor can Trump! ::) ::) ::)
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We'd better hope he doesn't stay in somehow. He sulked on screen at the G20 for five minutes or so then went to play golf. That's because they've mostly congratulated Joe on his win. I believe Donald wet his nappy when Boris spoke to Biden so, if he hung on, there'd be no trade deal for us...or anyone else.....except his good friend and election fixer Vladimir. He hasn't spoken to Joe yet cause him and Donald are trying to work out how the f**k they can make things right.
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I can't help the fact that you seem oblivious to how the process works just because you don't like Donald.
Regardless of the outcome, here is the process:
https://www.archives.gov/electoral-college/key-dates
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I do not bloody care ::) ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
Go and have your delusional fantasies if that makes you happy! :y :y
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No one is that interested in how it works. Donald lost, and he's thrown his toys and spat his dummy, that's all I need to know. Fat prick. ;D
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The process isn't fantasy, it's a constitutional fact, and has been since it was written.
The outcome might be wishful thinking, but time will tell.
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I don't actually grudge Trump and Co challenging the election result, in court or elsewhere. It's in his nature. However, I was slightly concerned about reports of fundraising for it. Sure people can do what they like with their own money, but to me that flags a danger that Joe Public will end up taking a financial risk (and probably the loss) on his behalf. Trump doesn't have a good record in that regard.
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No one is that interested in how it works. Donald lost, and he's thrown his toys and spat his dummy, that's all I need to know. Fat prick. ;D
Watching him comment and tweet on the subject is hilarious. It's like a four year old, face covered in chocolate, next to the empty wrapper having a tantrum because he's been accused of eating it.
Both hilarious and amazing that he doesn't shrivel up and disappear into one of his own orifices at the embarrassment he's making of himself.
Or maybe he is just that delusional
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Entertainment value aside, senior Republicans should be far more vocal and responsible than they have been so far
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I don't actually grudge Trump and Co challenging the election result, in court or elsewhere. It's in his nature. However, I was slightly concerned about reports of fundraising for it. Sure people can do what they like with their own money, but to me that flags a danger that Joe Public will end up taking a financial risk (and probably the loss) on his behalf. Trump doesn't have a good record in that regard.
Biden has a Go fund me type thing going on for his transition*... What's good for the goose etc... ;)
*not sure what he's hoping to transition into ???
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The truth is starting to come out and, no doubt, will be laid bare over the coming months. What a bunch of tossers.
The deep roots of Trump’s 'voter fraud' strategy https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-55009950
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Research by the BBC's Anti-disinformation unit ......... ;D
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Research by the BBC's Anti-disinformation unit ......... ;D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crank_(person)
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It's all starting to unravel for cry baby Donald
US election 2020: Trump ally Chris Christie urges him to accept defeat https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55038777
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Does anyone think that Rudi Giuliani has had a breakdown?
On Thursday he claimed that votes were counted in Germany and Spain including by affiliates of Venezuela's left-wing President Nicolas Maduro.
He has also claimed that machines used to count votes were owned by Democrats, suggesting that they were biased. Dominion Voting Systems says it is non-partisan and is not owned by top members of the Democratic party.
Meanwhile, the even more unhinged Sydney Powell said that some voting software was created at the direction of late Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez and that votes for Mr Trump had probably been switched in favour of President-elect Joe Biden.
The republicans have distanced themselves from Ms Powell, saying she has nothing to do with their campaign, but a tweet from Trump earlier this month explicitly named her as part of the team, referring to her as one of his "wonderful lawyers and representatives" .
Why haven't these people been sectioned? ;D
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I will concede this much...
If Trump does win, then it will be inspite of his legal team not because of them... They are making less sense than a Hollyoaks episode ???
Credit where it is due, Giuliani has had a pretty solid reputation upto this point, and Sydney Powell certainly believes what she is saying (you can hear it in her voice).
I also wonder if they have both had Batflu, as the brain is one of the places that it can attack the body. :-\
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I don't actually grudge Trump and Co challenging the election result, in court or elsewhere. It's in his nature. However, I was slightly concerned about reports of fundraising for it. Sure people can do what they like with their own money, but to me that flags a danger that Joe Public will end up taking a financial risk (and probably the loss) on his behalf. Trump doesn't have a good record in that regard.
Biden has a Go fund me type thing going on for his transition*... What's good for the goose etc... ;)
*not sure what he's hoping to transition into ???
True, but tu quoque doesn't make it right. As plaintiffs in the main, Trump & Co ought to bear the costs of what they're trying to do (not very successfully so far) themselves - I'm not convinced about the ethics of seeking public donations.
Plus (potential) lack of clarity about where donations are ending up - the Official Election Defense Fund, the Save America PAC or clearing campaign debt.
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I will concede this much...
If Trump does win, then it will be inspite of his legal team not because of them... They are making less sense than a Hollyoaks episode ???
Credit where it is due, Giuliani has had a pretty solid reputation upto this point, and Sydney Powell certainly believes what she is saying (you can hear it in her voice).
I also wonder if they have both had Batflu, as the brain is one of the places that it can attack the body. :-\
"If Trump does win....." You're as fickin deranged as they are.
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I don't actually grudge Trump and Co challenging the election result, in court or elsewhere. It's in his nature. However, I was slightly concerned about reports of fundraising for it. Sure people can do what they like with their own money, but to me that flags a danger that Joe Public will end up taking a financial risk (and probably the loss) on his behalf. Trump doesn't have a good record in that regard.
Biden has a Go fund me type thing going on for his transition*... What's good for the goose etc... ;)
*not sure what he's hoping to transition into ???
True, but tu quoque doesn't make it right. As plaintiffs in the main, Trump & Co ought to bear the costs of what they're trying to do (not very successfully so far) themselves - I'm not convinced about the ethics of seeking public donations.
Plus (potential) lack of clarity about where donations are ending up - the Official Election Defense Fund, the Save America PAC or clearing campaign debt.
The Donald Trump Big Mac And Large Fries Foundation.
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The messaging from Giuliani and team don't make sense to me either - and there's a recurring theme that what's said in news conferences doesn't translate into anything that's actually led in court (where it could and would be effective)
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Trumps last trump card: The Supreme Court. He thinks because he put them in, they'll kiss his big, fat arse all the way to the White House. I seriously doubt it will even make it to the Supreme Court but, if it does, the six republicans have a stark choice. Tell Donald he's an idiot or totally dispel the whole idea that America is a democracy.
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The messaging from Giuliani and team don't make sense to me either - and there's a recurring theme that what's said in news conferences doesn't translate into anything that's actually led in court (where it could and would be effective)
What's said in news conferences is a journey of fantasy, that's why none of it ends up in court. How long before the media actually laugh in his face?
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I don't actually grudge Trump and Co challenging the election result, in court or elsewhere. It's in his nature. However, I was slightly concerned about reports of fundraising for it. Sure people can do what they like with their own money, but to me that flags a danger that Joe Public will end up taking a financial risk (and probably the loss) on his behalf. Trump doesn't have a good record in that regard.
Biden has a Go fund me type thing going on for his transition*... What's good for the goose etc... ;)
*not sure what he's hoping to transition into ???
True, but tu quoque doesn't make it right. As plaintiffs in the main, Trump & Co ought to bear the costs of what they're trying to do (not very successfully so far) themselves - I'm not convinced about the ethics of seeking public donations.
Plus (potential) lack of clarity about where donations are ending up - the Official Election Defense Fund, the Save America PAC or clearing campaign debt.
The Donald Trump Big Mac And Large Fries Foundation.
The Hopefully It Will Be Enough to Cash In For A Private Island Somewhere Without An Extradition Treaty And A Plane Ride To Get There Fund.
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I did say 'if' ;D besides, there's plenty of constitutional steps that may change the course between now and January 6th...
If all else fails, Donald already has a plane and Epstein isn't getting much use from his island lately...
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I did say 'if' ;D besides, there's plenty of constitutional steps that may change the course between now and January 6th...
If all else fails, Donald already has a plane and Epstein isn't getting much use from his island lately...
If it all fails, Donald will own whatever badly tailored clothes he's wearing and the contents of his makeup bag. A slush fund would come in handy....
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The messaging from Giuliani and team don't make sense to me either - and there's a recurring theme that what's said in news conferences doesn't translate into anything that's actually led in court (where it could and would be effective)
What's said in news conferences is a journey of fantasy, that's why none of it ends up in court. How long before the media actually laugh in his face?
They've been doing that for years so nothing new there! ::) ;D
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Trumps last trump card: The Supreme Court. He thinks because he put them in, they'll kiss his big, fat arse all the way to the White House. I seriously doubt it will even make it to the Supreme Court but, if it does, the six republicans have a stark choice. Tell Donald he's an idiot or totally dispel the whole idea that America is a democracy.
UK or USA the judiciary is independent of government......supposedly. :)
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Trumps last trump card: The Supreme Court. He thinks because he put them in, they'll kiss his big, fat arse all the way to the White House. I seriously doubt it will even make it to the Supreme Court but, if it does, the six republicans have a stark choice. Tell Donald he's an idiot or totally dispel the whole idea that America is a democracy.
UK or USA the judiciary is independent of government......supposedly. :)
Indeed. And quite right too. Ultimately it only needs one Senator and one Congressman/woman to formally reject the electoral college vote. It then falls to a vote in either the House (one vote per state) or failing that the Senate (one vote each) and that could all happen on January 6th.
Like I said, the process is far from over...
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Trumps last trump card: The Supreme Court. He thinks because he put them in, they'll kiss his big, fat arse all the way to the White House. I seriously doubt it will even make it to the Supreme Court but, if it does, the six republicans have a stark choice. Tell Donald he's an idiot or totally dispel the whole idea that America is a democracy.
UK or USA the judiciary is independent of government......supposedly. :)
Indeed. And quite right too. Ultimately it only needs one Senator and one Congressman/woman to formally reject the electoral college vote. It then falls to a vote in either the House (one vote per state) or failing that the Senate (one vote each) and that could all happen on January 6th.
Like I said, the process is far from over...
Amy Coney Barrett has only been in the job five minutes. Perhaps she will ( can be made) see things the way Donald wants her to. ::) ::) ;)
Doubt it though. :)
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Trumps last trump card: The Supreme Court. He thinks because he put them in, they'll kiss his big, fat arse all the way to the White House. I seriously doubt it will even make it to the Supreme Court but, if it does, the six republicans have a stark choice. Tell Donald he's an idiot or totally dispel the whole idea that America is a democracy.
UK or USA the judiciary is independent of government......supposedly. :)
Indeed. And quite right too. Ultimately it only needs one Senator and one Congressman/woman to formally reject the electoral college vote. It then falls to a vote in either the House (one vote per state) or failing that the Senate (one vote each) and that could all happen on January 6th.
Like I said, the process is far from over...
Amy Coney Barrett has only been in the job five minutes. Perhaps she will ( can be made) see things the way Donald wants her to. ::) ::) ;)
Doubt it though. :)
If she did cast the vote that kept Trumpy at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, the lefties would go bat shit crazy!! ;D
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Trumps last trump card: The Supreme Court. He thinks because he put them in, they'll kiss his big, fat arse all the way to the White House. I seriously doubt it will even make it to the Supreme Court but, if it does, the six republicans have a stark choice. Tell Donald he's an idiot or totally dispel the whole idea that America is a democracy.
UK or USA the judiciary is independent of government......supposedly. :)
Indeed. And quite right too. Ultimately it only needs one Senator and one Congressman/woman to formally reject the electoral college vote. It then falls to a vote in either the House (one vote per state) or failing that the Senate (one vote each) and that could all happen on January 6th.
Like I said, the process is far from over...
Amy Coney Barrett has only been in the job five minutes. Perhaps she will ( can be made) see things the way Donald wants her to. ::) ::) ;)
Doubt it though. :)
If she did cast the vote that kept Trumpy at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, the lefties would go bat shit crazy!! ;D
Her predecessor wouldn't have given Trump the steam off her piss. :)
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Trumps last trump card: The Supreme Court. He thinks because he put them in, they'll kiss his big, fat arse all the way to the White House. I seriously doubt it will even make it to the Supreme Court but, if it does, the six republicans have a stark choice. Tell Donald he's an idiot or totally dispel the whole idea that America is a democracy.
UK or USA the judiciary is independent of government......supposedly. :)
Indeed. And quite right too. Ultimately it only needs one Senator and one Congressman/woman to formally reject the electoral college vote. It then falls to a vote in either the House (one vote per state) or failing that the Senate (one vote each) and that could all happen on January 6th.
Like I said, the process is far from over...
Amy Coney Barrett has only been in the job five minutes. Perhaps she will ( can be made) see things the way Donald wants her to. ::) ::) ;)
Doubt it though. :)
If she did cast the vote that kept Trumpy at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, the lefties would go bat shit crazy!! ;D
I'd hope they would, quite rightly, shoot her, shoot her family and shoot anyone she's ever spoken to. In fact, anyone she's ever looked at. ;D
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Dear dear me Steven🤭🎃🧊chill man😂
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Dear dear me Steven🤭🎃🧊chill man😂
That is me chilled. I never mentioned flame throwers, did I? :-X
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Ha ha nice one🔥
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I see Michigan have now completed certification that Biden won...
"President-elect Joe Biden's victory in the US state of Michigan has been officially certified, in a serious blow to Donald Trump's beleaguered attempts to challenge the result.
One of two Republicans on the Michigan State Board of Canvassers joined the two Democrats to approve finalising the result. The other Republican abstained."
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While he still hasn't conceded he has now authorised officials to start the transition period, which I presume also means the release of tranition funds to Biden's team. :-\
Anyway Al won't have to contribute to Biden's crowd funding effort now! :y ;D
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It ain't over yet :D
The Electors aren't all obliged to agree... If one in each State abstains then Biden doesn't get enough college votes...
The House could 'choose' not to accept the count from the Electoral College...
A single Congressman/woman and a single Senator could make a written complaint rejecting the Electoral College votes... Say Jim Jordan and Ted Cruz. Then the House would vote. If they fail to agree, or choose not to, it goes to the Senate. Both on a one state one vote basis.
Which is why Trump has yet to concede.
Biden would be so disappointed ::)
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It ain't over yet :D
The Electors aren't all obliged to agree... If one in each State abstains then Biden doesn't get enough college votes...
The House could 'choose' not to accept the count from the Electoral College...
A single Congressman/woman and a single Senator could make a written complaint rejecting the Electoral College votes... Say Jim Jordan and Ted Cruz. Then the House would vote. If they fail to agree, or choose not to, it goes to the Senate. Both on a one state one vote basis.
Which is why Trump has yet to concede.
Biden would be so disappointed ::)
I think you're experiencing a bad reaction to the hair spray, orange makeup and some bleach you've been misusing.
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I see Michigan have now completed certification that Biden won...
"President-elect Joe Biden's victory in the US state of Michigan has been officially certified, in a serious blow to Donald Trump's beleaguered attempts to challenge the result.
One of two Republicans on the Michigan State Board of Canvassers joined the two Democrats to approve finalising the result. The other Republican abstained."
Hardly a ringing endorsement...
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It ain't over yet :D
The Electors aren't all obliged to agree... If one in each State abstains then Biden doesn't get enough college votes...
The House could 'choose' not to accept the count from the Electoral College...
A single Congressman/woman and a single Senator could make a written complaint rejecting the Electoral College votes... Say Jim Jordan and Ted Cruz. Then the House would vote. If they fail to agree, or choose not to, it goes to the Senate. Both on a one state one vote basis.
Which is why Trump has yet to concede.
Biden would be so disappointed ::)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crank_(person)
Crank is a pejorative term used for a person who holds an unshakable belief that most of their contemporaries consider to be false.[1] A crank belief is so wildly at variance with those commonly held that it is considered ludicrous. Cranks characteristically dismiss all evidence or arguments which contradict their own unconventional beliefs, making any rational debate a futile task and rendering them impervious to facts, evidence, and rational inference.
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I never said it was likely ::) but there's precedent for most of those scenarios.
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I never said it was likely ::) but there's precedent for most of those scenarios.
Precedent means that the procedures have been followed before. Has that ever happened?
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I never said it was likely ::) but there's precedent for most of those scenarios.
Precedent means that the procedures have been followed before. Has that ever happened?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1864_United_States_presidential_election
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contingent_election
The Senate actually only chooses the Vice President.
So, so answer your question, yes, and in the case of Faithless Elector, as recently as 2016.
January 6th unless Trump formally concedes beforehand.
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Another nail in the coffin, again from someone he appointed...
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-55109168
"In giving the appeal court's opinion, Judge Stephanos Bibas wrote: "Free, fair elections are the lifeblood of our democracy. Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so."
"Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here," wrote Judge Bibas, who was nominated by Trump."
Perhaps there are some folks in the USA who have, and understand the meaning of, "integrity"
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Time will tell.
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Good grief ;D
The Kraken: What is it and why has Trump's ex-lawyer released it? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55090145
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Presumably, at some point, the fact checkers will point out that Biden hasn't been elected yet... ::)
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Presumably, at some point, the fact checkers will point out that Biden hasn't been elected yet... ::)
In your eyes perhaps ..... Spec savers are open today I believe ...... :)
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Good grief ;D
The Kraken: What is it and why has Trump's ex-lawyer released it? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55090145 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55090145)
Perhaps they think their bullshit fantasy is so good it will fall into mythology?
Or, equally applicable, just fall to the bottom of the sea never to be seen again?
Or Kraken is the American way of spelling crackpot. We all know how the Yanks are weird like that.
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Presumably, at some point, the fact checkers will point out that Biden hasn't been elected yet... ::)
In your eyes perhaps ..... Spec savers are open today I believe ...... :)
Until Congress formally count the Electoral College votes, he is technically not the President Elect. Doesn't matter what you or I think.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crank_(person
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;D
They voted for who they would like the Electoral College to vote for.
https://uk.usembassy.gov/our-relationship/elections/
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https://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEwiBxbPikKXtAhUC4ncKHcMpAwYYABACGgJlZg&ae=2&ohost=www.google.co.uk&cid=CAASEuRoEbTOJpIkWCnPY56fOZkYJQ&sig=AOD64_2LRnD4jbXRIDVzgDH5zGrTSYcHhA&ctype=5&q=&ved=2ahUKEwi-kavikKXtAhWjoVwKHc8PBFwQwg96BAgCEA8&adurl=
That’s the proper Kraken
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A bit early, but why not :D
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I hear it’s good Covid medicine ::)
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https://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEwiBxbPikKXtAhUC4ncKHcMpAwYYABACGgJlZg&ae=2&ohost=www.google.co.uk&cid=CAASEuRoEbTOJpIkWCnPY56fOZkYJQ&sig=AOD64_2LRnD4jbXRIDVzgDH5zGrTSYcHhA&ctype=5&q=&ved=2ahUKEwi-kavikKXtAhWjoVwKHc8PBFwQwg96BAgCEA8&adurl=
That’s the proper Kraken
And very pleasant it is too :y :y
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So far, the Wisconsin recount is costing a lot to change little -
https://www.npr.org/2020/11/28/939645865/biden-gains-votes-in-recount-of-milwaukee-county-requested-by-trump
I really hope ordinary people aren't donating their money to a lost cause. Those numbers don't look like a good use of $3M to me.
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So far, the Wisconsin recount is costing a lot to change little -
https://www.npr.org/2020/11/28/939645865/biden-gains-votes-in-recount-of-milwaukee-county-requested-by-trump (https://www.npr.org/2020/11/28/939645865/biden-gains-votes-in-recount-of-milwaukee-county-requested-by-trump)
I really hope ordinary people aren't donating their money to a lost cause. Those numbers don't look like a good use of $3M to me.
Recounts rarely make big changes to the counts. That's why there is frequently more than one recount until a decision is made. An alteration of 136 votes out of 460,000 is a very small change.
If after several recounts a result isn't achieved, in the UK the returning officer settles the election with a coin toss. This doesn't happen very often ;D
We do our postal votes differently to America; the ballot card is the same as the one used in polling stations, and are added to the bags of cards from them. So the counters can't tell what are postal, or physical votes.
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So far, the Wisconsin recount is costing a lot to change little -
https://www.npr.org/2020/11/28/939645865/biden-gains-votes-in-recount-of-milwaukee-county-requested-by-trump (https://www.npr.org/2020/11/28/939645865/biden-gains-votes-in-recount-of-milwaukee-county-requested-by-trump)
I really hope ordinary people aren't donating their money to a lost cause. Those numbers don't look like a good use of $3M to me.
Recounts rarely make big changes to the counts. That's why there is frequently more than one recount until a decision is made. An alteration of 136 votes out of 460,000 is a very small change.
If after several recounts a result isn't achieved, in the UK the returning officer settles the election with a coin toss. This doesn't happen very often ;D
We do our postal votes differently to America; the ballot card is the same as the one used in polling stations, and are added to the bags of cards from them. So the counters can't tell what are postal, or physical votes.
I remember when European cup ties were settled with the toss of a coin after extra time. Penalties came later.
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So far, the Wisconsin recount is costing a lot to change little -
https://www.npr.org/2020/11/28/939645865/biden-gains-votes-in-recount-of-milwaukee-county-requested-by-trump
I really hope ordinary people aren't donating their money to a lost cause. Those numbers don't look like a good use of $3M to me.
That's the actual cost of counting the ballots. Normally the counties bear the cost, but any candidate/party can ask for a recount and the counties being asked have to prepare an invoice as part of that process. It has to be paid upfront before they even think about recounting and it all has to be done within very specific deadlines.
The cost of the first Georgia recount will be partially reimbursed to the counties by the State as it was a State decision. The second one is probably coming out of Trumps pocket.
IF he gets as far as the Supreme Court, and wins then he could arguably claim the costs back as part of a deformation suit.
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So far, the Wisconsin recount is costing a lot to change little -
https://www.npr.org/2020/11/28/939645865/biden-gains-votes-in-recount-of-milwaukee-county-requested-by-trump
I really hope ordinary people aren't donating their money to a lost cause. Those numbers don't look like a good use of $3M to me.
That's the actual cost of counting the ballots. Normally the counties bear the cost, but any candidate/party can ask for a recount and the counties being asked have to prepare an invoice as part of that process. It has to be paid upfront before they even think about recounting and it all has to be done within very specific deadlines.
The cost of the first Georgia recount will be partially reimbursed to the counties by the State as it was a State decision. The second one is probably coming out of Trumps pocket.
IF he gets as far as the Supreme Court, and wins then he could arguably claim the costs back as part of a deformation suit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crank_(person)
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IF is a big word :D
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The chances of Biden being in the Oval office is zero.
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They've had presidents who need to use crutches before ::)
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Another, very large, nail in the coffin
US attorney general finds 'no voter fraud that could overturn election' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55153366
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The suspense is overwhelming 😂
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https://youtu.be/QfC2T7UpxkI
No, absolutely nothing to see here... :-X
https://youtu.be/3w7ah3UwCZ8
Or here...
Just because it's not in the news doesn't make it untrue.
And there are enough questions being raised that the entire election process could be called in to question.
https://youtu.be/mp_QEQzyh9I as an example of the type of questions being raised.
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Dismiss it all you like, regardless of who becomes the President on January 20th, there's clearly some incredibly nefarious goings on that fundamentally affect what is perhaps the most significant country in the 'Western' world.
This is clearly not a good thing regardless of how woke, or not, you might be.
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DG: I'll pay heed to and not dismiss anything that's been properly scrutinised and tested. TBH, I'm still somewhat troubled that the focus is mainly on states which have (on the face of it) won it for Biden.
If the entire electoral system has somehow gone wrong, then it must also have gone wrong in the states which voted Trump?
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DG: I'll pay heed to and not dismiss anything that's been properly scrutinised and tested. TBH, I'm still somewhat troubled that the focus is mainly on states which have (on the face of it) won it for Biden.
If the entire electoral system has somehow gone wrong, then it must also have gone wrong in the states which voted Trump?
Take no notice of Gollum, he's a fickin crank. ;D
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I've been through a few US elections and this is the first one I can recall being so messy - I'm still trying to process what's going on
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That's a reasonable point B52, and one that I am actually inclined to agree with ;) Regardless of claims of 'fraud' it is the constitutional breaches that should be all over the news. The fact that they aren't says alot about who is paying for them.
The other side of the question is why the Democrats aren't in the slightest bit interested in defending the contested results... Although perhaps they arr by way of shutting down the State governments, as appears to be the case in Pennsylvania.
The six states being contested are significant because of the electoral vote allocation and aren't traditionally Republican or Democrat.
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https://youtu.be/QfC2T7UpxkI
No, absolutely nothing to see here... :-X
https://youtu.be/3w7ah3UwCZ8
Or here...
https://youtu.be/QfC2T7UpxkI
Or here...
Just because it's not in the news doesn't make it untrue.
And there are enough questions being raised that the entire election process could be called in to question.
https://youtu.be/mp_QEQzyh9I as an example of the type of questions being raised.
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DG ... your almost god like admiration for this failure of human being is reminding me of a famous quote by someone far more intelligent than I ...
I refer of course to one Mr Albert Einstein ... :)
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DG ... your almost god like admiration for this failure of human being is reminding me of a famous quote by someone far more intelligent than I ...
I refer of course to one Mr Albert Einstein ... :)
The one about bicycle riding? ::)
I wouldn't describe Trump as being anywhere near God like... But I do struggle to understand why he has been routinely compared to Hitler or worse when the very people criticising him tend to, themselves, be guilty of the very things that they accuse him of. I'm not talking about individual personal opinions, but rather continous wholesale attack be it from the media or opposition.
There is the constant mockery and derision poured upon him and the spotlight he is trying to shine on the 'discrepancies'. Sure, if he's right, (he clearly stands to gain from winning), or wrong, then at least that can settle the debate. It must surely be in everyone's interest to investigate the claims to protect the process yet the establishment and Democrats seem reluctant to even acknowledge the possibility of 'discrepancies' which leads to the conclusion:
Either the establishment knows exactly what is going on, or it doesn't care... which is as bad.
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DG ... your almost god like admiration for this failure of human being is reminding me of a famous quote by someone far more intelligent than I ...
I refer of course to one Mr Albert Einstein ... :)
The one about bicycle riding? ::)
I wouldn't describe Trump as being anywhere near God like... But I do struggle to understand why he has been routinely compared to Hitler or worse when the very people criticising him tend to, themselves, be guilty of the very things that they accuse him of. I'm not talking about individual personal opinions, but rather continous wholesale attack be it from the media or opposition.
There is the constant mockery and derision poured upon him and the spotlight he is trying to shine on the 'discrepancies'. Sure, if he's right, (he clearly stands to gain from winning), or wrong, then at least that can settle the debate. It must surely be in everyone's interest to investigate the claims to protect the process yet the establishment and Democrats seem reluctant to even acknowledge the possibility of 'discrepancies' which leads to the conclusion:
Either the establishment knows exactly what is going on, or it doesn't care... which is as bad.
Or...there's nothing going on and Trump's just a big, fat cry baby.
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Either the establishment knows exactly what is going on, or it doesn't care... which is as bad.
Alternatively, Trump is just doing what he has done plenty of times before and trying t o deny the reality of a situation and sue people who hold a contrary point of view. He has a pretty clear pattern of doing it.
And there are enough questions being raised that the entire election process could be called in to question.
https://youtu.be/mp_QEQzyh9I as an example of the type of questions being raised.
Again, I am not sure what this video is supposed to show, other than the blonde woman throwing assertions around without evidence. Eg. "It's fraud, everything that went on at that [ballot office] was fraud" if you can't offer any evidence, the only difference between her and every crack-pot on the internet is a $1,000 suit and the fact she's doing it live on national TV. ::)
When even good ol' Willy Barr can't find something to help Trumpy out, there isn't anything to find.
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There is the constant mockery and derision poured upon him and the spotlight he is trying to shine on the 'discrepancies'. Sure, if he's right, (he clearly stands to gain from winning), or wrong, then at least that can settle the debate. It must surely be in everyone's interest to investigate the claims to protect the process yet the establishment and Democrats seem reluctant to even acknowledge the possibility of 'discrepancies' which leads to the conclusion:
Either the establishment knows exactly what is going on, or it doesn't care... which is as bad.
Take the blinkers off; there are more than two options. Here are two more
the establishment knows what is going on, and that is Trump's assertions are just the rantings of a petulant fool
the legal process of requiring actual proof of allegations is working.
As for discrepancies, there are bound to be some when you're talking about almost 139million votes. Those that have been investigated(holding press conferences in hotels are not investigations) usually show that they were caused by negligence and not fraud. Also, the actual numbers involved tend to be very small which is to be expected in such cases.
That can't be said about the results; Biden has third more votes in the college than Trump and 6million more in popular votes. That is not close, but a clear win.
Another thing to consider is that if the Democrats are so capable of cheating at elections, why don't they do better in congressional and senatorial ones? You know, the mechanisms that a president has to get his policies through, and that are the actual government?
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All I can say is watch the hearings in their entirety and make your own minds up.
That last clip wasn't great as it didn't show the whole testimony, that clip is the last of her testimony andd her her reaction to a Democrat State Senators response to it.
Incidentally the approach of each State has been very different. Pennsylvania was largely positive with no real response, the State Senate reaction was to close until January. Arizona was a stronger reaction, but the arguments put forward were much stronger and Michigan was playing along, but only gave everyone 3 minutes and would only say that, as legislatures, they only wrote the law... ::)
In Nevada, the courts won't hear the cases without 'evidence', yet the same courts won't allow access to the State data to produce the evidence to corroborate the claims. This is why it is only testimonies that are being heard.
There are similarities to the complaints in the contested states and most of the 'discrepancies' are in a handful of counties, and to answer another point, in two counties in Arizona, there was a vote dump of 35,000 votes per candidate for ALL the Democrat candidates across the ballot. This was substatntiated by three different independent expert witnesses with proof that could be corroborated by a foresic audit of the machines.
In both Nevada and Arizona, they had to reduce 15 cross checks of signature verifications on the postal votes down to zero because the machines couldn't accurately compare the signatures, effectively rendering those votes void as they couldn't be verified. This didn't stop them from being counted though. Not baseless accusations from a lawyer or two, but actual sworn testimony from the people there who saw these things happen.
It's not about tens or hundreds of discrepancies, but rather tens and hundreds of thousands which matters when some states only have a margin of 10-20 thousand.
This is
If you only watch one hearing, then the Arizona one is the most interesting.
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Don't think I'll bother, I've got some nose hairs that need pulling ;D
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Don't think I'll bother, I've got some nose hairs that need pulling ;D
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I've just done mine , far more interesting 😄😄😄
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https://youtu.be/RKSi3wYfVa8
Blonde womans full testimony.
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https://youtu.be/RKSi3wYfVa8
Blonde womans full testimony.
No one's going to watch it ;D
We've all moved on.
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https://youtu.be/RKSi3wYfVa8
Blonde womans full testimony.
No one's going to watch it ;D
We've all moved on.
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+1
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My God, is this stupid one sided argument still being pursued by DG?!! ::) ::) ::)
Somehow he must have a vested interest in Trump, apart from be infatuated by him, to continue with this pointless campaign.
We are all totally bored by it now ;D ;D :)
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Stop posting then... ::)
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Anyhoo, actual certifiable evidence has been found... Which if representative of the State as a whole Arizona had no business certifying for Biden.
https://youtu.be/yp1FtUG-S9M
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Y a w n .........
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terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired ;D
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Anyhoo, actual certifiable evidence has been found... Which if representative of the State as a whole Arizona had no business certifying for Biden.
https://youtu.be/yp1FtUG-S9M
1.18, "those who say there is no evidence of fraud can now shut up"
Except there is no evidence of fraud, only fraud or error or miscommunication, misinterpretation etc. She's deliberately implying intent where there isn't any. Ironic really that she's using a standard tool of propagandists, while labelling someone else as just that ::)
She also doesn't mention how many were lost by Biden in the duplication sample. Can we assume the answer isn't zero, or I'm sure she would have said...
If you look at any manual process, repeated often enough, you will find errors. Unless you can evidence intent on behalf of the 'perpetrator' you simply don't have fraud.
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Anyhoo, actual certifiable evidence has been found... Which if representative of the State as a whole Arizona had no business certifying for Biden.
https://youtu.be/yp1FtUG-S9M
1.18, "those who say there is no evidence of fraud can now shut up"
Except there is no evidence of fraud, only fraud or error or miscommunication, misinterpretation etc. She's deliberately implying intent where there isn't any. Ironic really that she's using a standard tool of propagandists, while labelling someone else as just that ::)
She also doesn't mention how many were lost by Biden in the duplication sample. Can we assume the answer isn't zero, or I'm sure she would have said...
If you look at any manual process, repeated often enough, you will find errors. Unless you can evidence intent on behalf of the 'perpetrator' you simply don't have fraud.
You're giving it air, Jimmy, it really doesn't deserve it.
Just watched a Republican from Georgia saying how frightened and ashamed he is of what Trumps lunatic legal team are doing. I hope, once Trump has finally gone, that the GOP shuns the so-called grandees, such as Mitch McConnell, for not speaking out against this dangerous farce.
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My comment about evidence was slightly tongue in cheek, but the real news was that a judge actually allowed access to the ballots. A small win, but a significant one...
And she is from Arizona, not Georgia, not that you care ;D
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Meanwhile
Coronavirus: US hits record Covid cases and hospitalisations https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55170329
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Meanwhile
Coronavirus: US hits record Covid cases and hospitalisations https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55170329
Doesn't appear to matter to him, as long as he gives the appearance of "winning" as admitting defeat is beyond his mental abilities... absolute power corrupts absolutely ..... let people die ... as long as I retain power .. appears to be his mantra
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Stop posting then... ::)
Oh don't worry, not another word on this pointless issue after this post :D :D :D :y
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Rudy Giuliani has got covid, I do hope he's gonna be alright.
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It's probably the most sensible thing he's done lately
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Third time unlucky, Donald
Georgia declares Biden winner for a third time https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55224511
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3 strikes and you're out ;D
I'll mention it to Donald :)
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/trump-rally-2024-biden-inauguration-b1767304.html
I did suspect he'd patch the inauguration in some way, although not quite like this. Personally I think it would be undignified and disrespectful. On the plus side, the talk of 2024 suggests a certain wakefulness and faint odour of coffee.
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Third time unlucky, Donald
Georgia declares Biden winner for a third time https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55224511
That's not news... ::) Although their machines are getting more accurate... They didn't find as many extra votes this time ;D
Although the State Supreme Court is hearing imminently to see what's what.
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An interesting development happened on Monday night when the State of Texas filed a lawsuit in the US Supreme Court challenging election procedures in the states of Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin on the grounds that they violate the Constitution.
It looks like this is getting bigger than the ravings of crackpots and conspiracy theorists. :-X
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Third time unlucky, Donald
Georgia declares Biden winner for a third time https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55224511 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55224511)
That's not news... ::) Although their machines are getting more accurate... They didn't find as many extra votes this time ;D
Although the State Supreme Court is hearing imminently to see what's what. listen to the latest rejected SNL scripts acted by amateurs
FTFY
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An interesting development happened on Monday night when the State of Texas filed a lawsuit in the US Supreme Court challenging election procedures in the states of Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin on the grounds that they violate the Constitution.
It looks like this is getting bigger than the ravings of crackpots and conspiracy theorists. :-X
Ted Cruz is a very long way from being a crazed despot.
All the States in question forced through voting changes as early as last year, but without following their own constitutional processes, which, it is being argued, is against the Constitution, and therefore illegal. Notwithstanding all the other 'discrepancies' that have arisen from the abuse of constitutional processes.
Democrat judges and SoS/Governors have been so busy trying to obstruct complaints at a local level, that they have left the front door open.
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https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/22o155.html
Good job Texas :y
No spurious arguments about fraud, just a simple question of unconstitutional procedure.
Initial response by 15:00 GMT today.
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Arizona Legislature is pushing to decertify its results and at least 8 other States are looking to join Texas in their suit.
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There is a very, very, very, very small part of me that wants Donald to stay, because I think, without him, the likes of BLM will get free rein.
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Or when things are generally more moderate and less polarised, BLM might attract less focus.
Meanwhile, it doesn't look like SCOTUS wants to play.
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https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/22o155.html (https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/22o155.html)
Good job Texas :y
No spurious arguments about fraud, just a simple question of unconstitutional procedure.
Initial response by 15:00 GMT today.
Yes, a Senate changing the voting rules to encourage people to vote by mail during a pandemic is a disgrace.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55243008
First step fails ....
but the saga still continues, even though law experts deride it....:
This is not the end of legal challenges to Mr Biden's victory. Republicans in the state of Texas filed a lawsuit in the Supreme Court on Tuesday accusing four other states of election irregularities - a challenge legal experts have sharply criticised.
Plaintiffs want the court to stop the use of "unlawful election results without review and ratification by the defendant states' legislatures".
What legal challenges remain for Trump?
'In his mind, he will not have lost'
One law professor at the University of Texas tweeted that this was "a new leader in the 'craziest lawsuit filed to purportedly challenge the election' category", while another law professor at the University of California dismissed it as a "press release masquerading as a lawsuit" in a blog post.
https://twitter.com/steve_vladeck/status/1336312379408322560
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https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/22o155.html (https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/22o155.html)
Good job Texas :y
No spurious arguments about fraud, just a simple question of unconstitutional procedure.
Initial response by 15:00 GMT today.
Yes, a Senate changing the voting rules to encourage people to vote by mail during a pandemic is a disgrace.
They actually started the process last year in Pennsylvania, and the issue isn't as much what they did as how they did went about it... Basically someone made an arbitrary decision without any regards for the rules. Batflu doesn't over rule legislative process, regardless of the motivation or intent behind the decision.
And as the Presidential race dictates the Vice President one, such behaviour affects ALL the States as the VP gets the deciding vote in the Senate.
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We all know he's a child in a mans (obese) body, but his followers are like fanatical followers of some bizarre cult. It's the beginning of a very painful downward spiral for the US......China is watching....and waiting.
Can you imagine this certifiable moron with his finger on the nuclear button if things got tough?
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https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/22o155.html (https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/22o155.html)
Good job Texas :y
No spurious arguments about fraud, just a simple question of unconstitutional procedure.
Initial response by 15:00 GMT today.
Yes, a Senate changing the voting rules to encourage people to vote by mail during a pandemic is a disgrace.
They actually started the process last year in Pennsylvania, and the issue isn't as much what they did as how they did went about it... Basically someone made an arbitrary decision without any regards for the rules. Batflu doesn't over rule legislative process, regardless of the motivation or intent behind the decision.
And as the Presidential race dictates the Vice President one, such behaviour affects ALL the States as the VP gets the deciding vote in the Senate.
Then, as I've written previously, the complaint/it's not fair whining/lawsuit should have been done before an election was held.
No not should, but MUST.
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Perhaps, but it is a valid complaint nonetheless as even if the decision ends up being to split the 62 contested College votes 50/50 Biden still wins... But at least it would be constitutionally correct.
If they decide to reject the case, then that's effectively the end of the constitution, so that's unlikely to happen.
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Perhaps, but it is a valid complaint nonetheless as even if the decision ends up being to split the 62 contested College votes 50/50 Biden still wins... But at least it would be constitutionally correct.
If they decide to reject the case, then that's effectively the end of the constitution, so that's unlikely to happen.
Now I know you consider yourself the expert on the USA and Trump in particular ..but even for you thats one hell of an assumption ! Perhaps it might actually be an idea to let the Supreme Court decide what is "constitutional" .. rather than you ???
I just love the way you prejudge everything to be in your favour .. must be dissapointing when the real world steps in ......
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My statement may have been slighty melodramatic, but if four States can overrule/ignore the constitution, and are then allowed to do so without repercussion, it effectively renders the constitution powerless.
As for the Pennsylvania SCOTUS case, they haven't thrown it out as is being reported, they have merely denied the emergency injunctive reliefso that case is still pending.
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Cut n Pasted from elsewhere and I'm not sure how valid this is, but it's interesting nonetheless. :)
As one election law expert put it, the US constitution is effectively a contract between the 50 states, including how their president is elected, and Texas is claiming other parties broke parts of that contract. Texas is apparently now supported by Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, South Carolina, South Dakota, and Tennessee. Talk about a divided country. Perhaps not a surprise, the Supreme Court took the Texas case in expedited fashion, and has called for a response by 3PM Thursday.
Yes, it *is* a huge can of worms it is opening if it acts. Yet it is also a can of worms if it doesn’t act when Texas and other states claim:
“Our Country stands at an important crossroads. Either the Constitution matters and must be followed, even when some officials consider it inconvenient or out of date, or it is simply a piece of parchment on display at the National Archives. We ask the Court to choose the former.”
In short, this *might* be the most significant Supreme Court case since 2000, which notoriously decided the presidential election in Florida.
Of course, it does *not* mean the Court will rule for Texas – but them taking the case, rapidly, and calling for a response suggests they are taking it seriously. That is something the Twitterati were saying was inconceivable 24 hours ago. It could also explain why the Court denied emergency injunctive relief in Pennsylvania without dismissing the case: because the claim can be rolled into this larger one. We will soon get to hear what the Court has to say on the matter.
Popcorn time? ???
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Cut n Pasted from elsewhere and I'm not sure how valid this is, but it's interesting nonetheless. :)
As one election law expert put it, the US constitution is effectively a contract between the 50 states, including how their president is elected, and Texas is claiming other parties broke parts of that contract. Texas is apparently now supported by Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, South Carolina, South Dakota, and Tennessee. Talk about a divided country. Perhaps not a surprise, the Supreme Court took the Texas case in expedited fashion, and has called for a response by 3PM Thursday.
Yes, it *is* a huge can of worms it is opening if it acts. Yet it is also a can of worms if it doesn’t act when Texas and other states claim:
“Our Country stands at an important crossroads. Either the Constitution matters and must be followed, even when some officials consider it inconvenient or out of date, or it is simply a piece of parchment on display at the National Archives. We ask the Court to choose the former.”
In short, this *might* be the most significant Supreme Court case since 2000, which notoriously decided the presidential election in Florida.
Of course, it does *not* mean the Court will rule for Texas – but them taking the case, rapidly, and calling for a response suggests they are taking it seriously. That is something the Twitterati were saying was inconceivable 24 hours ago. It could also explain why the Court denied emergency injunctive relief in Pennsylvania without dismissing the case: because the claim can be rolled into this larger one. We will soon get to hear what the Court has to say on the matter.
Popcorn time? ???
There's none left, Trump ate it all.
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Is this from MINA report - as in Macedonian International News Agency, Mark Abramoff? That's the only verbatim search result I'm finding.
Also, which 'election law expert'? They're normally only too keen to get their name out there.
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Breibart were the only 'formal' outlet who initially covered the filing at the Supreme Court.
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Breitbart... I'll maybe wait for some more objective outlets.
No offence DG.
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To their credit, they did add the SCOTUS link to the article to prove that it wasn't 'fake' news ;)
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/12/07/texas-sues-georgia-michigan-pennsylvania-and-wisconsin-at-supreme-court-election-rules/ fwiw ;)
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Fair enough, but I think this is the brief that isn't signed by the Texas solicitor general.
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Fair enough, but I think this is the brief that isn't signed by the Texas solicitor general.
This one definitely is https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/22o155.html ;)
And has been updated to include a 17 State addition supporting Texas, along with two individual additions and another from Arizona...
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It's a bit late, but
US election: YouTube to ban videos alleging widespread voter fraud https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-55255121
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There's a bit more to it than that... YouTube are starting to play the same game as Twitter and Facebook whereby they are looking to dictate content... Which effectively turns them from platforms to publishers.
Mainstream media are complaining about dropping ad revenues from YouTube because small, independent, media groups are kicking their butts... Rightside Broadcasting Network has more views, and possibly subscribers than CNN, and even Fox, yet were practically unheard of six weeks ago.
If Trump remains in office, the 230 protections that social media hides behind will be gone. And rightly so.
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I'm only seeing Ken Paxton's name, not Kyle Hawkins.
A filing at the high court like Paxton’s would usually be made by the solicitor general of Texas, Kyle Hawkins, the state’s top appellate lawyer, and not the state’s attorney general, but Hawkins did not sign on.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-lawsuit-texas/analysis-texas-tries-to-overturn-the-u-s-election-result-can-it-succeed-idUSKBN28J2R0
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There's a bit more to it than that... YouTube are starting to play the same game as Twitter and Facebook whereby they are looking to dictate content... Which effectively turns them from platforms to publishers.
Mainstream media are complaining about dropping ad revenues from YouTube because small, independent, media groups are kicking their butts... Rightside Broadcasting Network has more views, and possibly subscribers than CNN, and even Fox, yet were practically unheard of six weeks ago.
If Trump remains in office, the 230 protections that social media hides behind will be gone. And rightly so.
There you go again ;D ;D ;D
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Ken Paxton is his boss, so given the gravity of filing, it sounds like the media trying to make a huge deal out of an irrelevance :-\
After all, CNN must be getting desperate for things to report to not have to report anything about Hunter Biden and China ;D
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and defeated in inglorious terms ...
"Texas has not demonstrated a judicially cognizable interest in the manner in which another State conducts its elections. All other pending motions are dismissed as moot," the court said in an unsigned order.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55283024
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/supreme-court-rejects-texas-election-lawsuit/
perhaps he'll eventually realise that his time has passed .... and he is now irrelevant....
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Statement of Justice Alito, with whom Justice Thomas joins: In my view, we do not have discretion to deny the filing of a bill of complaint in a case that falls within our original jurisdiction. See Arizona v. California, 589 U. S. ___ (Feb. 24, 2020) (Thomas, J., dissenting). I would therefore grant the motion to file the bill of complaint but would not grant other relief, and I express no view on any other issue.
That reads that they will allow the filing, if only because they have to, but won't expedite it and won't entertain any of the Amicae filings...
Not the same thing as tossing it, but rather that they don't want to deal with it even though it is within their remit.
The Electoral college votes on Monday, and they present to the House/Senate on January 6th at which point I expect that objections will be raised causing it to fall to a House vote to declare the election.
And that's assuming that Biden isn't charged with anything in the meantime... He isn't President Elect until January 6th at the earliest and is therefore not afforded the protections of the position...
As for the constitutional question remaining unresolved, where that may lead is anyones guess :-\
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I'm seeing four main themes:
- SCOTUS not playing
- DoJ/US Attorney General not playing
- A lawyers' feeding frenzy being paid for by other peoples money
- The same outcome
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125 or so Republican US House members filed in support of Texas, so I don't think that there will be a shortage of Senators (they only need one) to support any objections on January 6th, forcing a House Presidential Vote.
The Supreme Court may yet rule on electoral reform once this election has run its course, as the State Senates hold their own investigations they are uncovering all sorts of evidence of potential opportunities for fraud, mostly corroberating the allegations already put forward, so clearly something is broken in the system. :-\
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Civil war, anyone?
The chairman of the Republican Party in Texas, Allen West, said the court's decision would have "far-reaching ramifications for the future of our constitutional republic".
Perhaps law-abiding states should bond together and form a Union of states that will abide by the constitution," he said in a statement.
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Has anyone else noticed that Trump doesn’t look well?
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Civil war, anyone?
The chairman of the Republican Party in Texas, Allen West, said the court's decision would have "far-reaching ramifications for the future of our constitutional republic".
Perhaps law-abiding states should bond together and form a Union of states that will abide by the constitution," he said in a statement.
I believe 'crank' was the word you used... :-X
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What's happening is Melania is stirring Trump up so much he'll die of some health related problem. This is because she knows what is in his will, whereas a divorce is a gamble.
She is, of course, being advised by Catherine Parr, who managed a similar ploy on a king :)
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Civil war, anyone?
The chairman of the Republican Party in Texas, Allen West, said the court's decision would have "far-reaching ramifications for the future of our constitutional republic".
Perhaps law-abiding states should bond together and form a Union of states that will abide by the constitution," he said in a statement.
Love ❤️ this reply on twitter:
Make Texas Mexico again ;D
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The southern states have always been sore losers; they're still waving the flag of a war they lost 160 years ago
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And the slogan has always been "The South is gonna rise again". Doesnt seem likely, now the world is weaning itself off oil.
The South could have been a very rich country if it had "rose" say 50 years ago.
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And the slogan has always been "The South is gonna rise again". Doesnt seem likely, now the world is weaning itself off oil.
The South could have been a very rich country if it had "rose" say 50 years ago.
Risen, Paddy. ;D
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An independent Texas would fare just fine, although it would be most likely joined by other States.
They have the second largest agricultural economy in the US after California, so growing enough food won't be a problem ;)
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The southern states have always been sore losers; they're still waving the flag of a war they lost 160 years ago
I always thought it looked pretty good on the roof of a potent orange V8. :)
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https://www.npr.org/2020/12/14/811276917/william-barr-to-steps-down-as-attorney-general
Sayings about falling/pushing, rats/ships come to mind.
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Joe Biden says 'time to turn the page' after victory confirmed https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55312272
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Alot can happen in three weeks ;)
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You're still waiting for orange smoke to rise from the White House?
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Alot can happen in three weeks ;)
Oh.....fùck off ;D
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Alot can happen in three weeks ;)
It hasn't for the last 3 .... except that Donald has lost everycase thats got to court ....
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That's not strictly true, but we won't let that disrupt the argument...
A case cannot be lost if a partisan judge, for whatever reason, decides not to hear it. And so far, every State where 'discrepancies' have been alleged have subsequently be proven to be substantiated and also in other States beyond the initial allegations. Not to mention the recent hacking revelations. Chris Krebs wasn't sacked for nothing.
There are more than enough items to raise legitimate questions on January 6th. So no, it's far from over.
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That's not strictly true, but we won't let that disrupt the argument...
A case cannot be lost if a partisan judge, for whatever reason, decides not to hear it. And so far, every State where 'discrepancies' have been alleged have subsequently be proven to be substantiated and also in other States beyond the initial allegations. Not to mention the recent hacking revelations. Chris Krebs wasn't sacked for nothing.
There are more than enough items to raise legitimate questions on January 6th. So no, it's far from over.
;D ;D ;D ;D
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Even Donald's best buddy can see the writing on the wall, and Donald can't sack him.
US election: Putin congratulates Biden after electoral college win https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55318269
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Mitch McConnell the Republican senate majority leader, is a traitor, he has congratulated Biden on his victory. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Never mind, Al, you can still fall back on your alien abduction theory, no one can disprove that.
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Mitch McConnell the Republican senate majority leader, is a traitor, he has congratulated Biden on his victory. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Never mind, Al, you can still fall back on your alien abduction theory, no one can disprove that.
US election: Top Trump ally breaks silence to congratulate Biden https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55323407
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January 6th... :-X
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January 6th... :-X
You just don't give up do you ?? A bit like Donald himself ... failing to grasp reality...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55323407 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55323407)
"With Mr McConnell now accepting Joe Biden's victory, President Trump's final play - challenging his election loss in Congress on 6 January - also becomes more pointless. Not only will it be blocked by the Democrat-controlled House of Representatives, it seems unlikely to find any traction in the Senate.
Now the waiting for the Trump response begins. Will he shrug off Mr McConnell's words or add him to the growing list of enemies within his own party that must be confronted and condemned?
The president's next words and actions could reveal the depth of the political turmoil facing the party in the days ahead."
Also:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-senate/senior-republicans-accept-biden-as-president-elect-reject-talk-of-overturning-election-idUSKBN28O33F
If you don't want to read the article .. this is the relevant bit ...
Thune added that any effort to try to overturn the result when Congress counts the Electoral College votes on Jan. 6 would get little support. “It’s not going anywhere,” he told reporters.
Senator John Cornyn, another veteran Republican, said he thought any such effort “would be a bad mistake” that would be soundly defeated in the 100-member chamber, currently controlled by his party.
“There comes a time when you have to realize that, despite your best efforts, you’ve been unsuccessful, that’s sort of the nature of these elections. You’ve got to have a winner. You’ve got to have a loser,” Cornyn told reporters at the U.S. Capitol.
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The next President is not officially named until the Electoral College Votes are accepted and counted by Congress and secondly by the current Vice President on January 6th. The current stage in the process is that their votes have been submitted. Nothing more, nothing less.
Just because this is unusual, and apparently in disagreement with the media narrative, it is a constituntionally bound fact.
Sure, were Trump to concede before January 6th, then that process would be a formality, but even then the College Votes can still be contested.
You can jump up and down all you like, but it doesn't change the constitutional process.
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The next President is not officially named until the Electoral College Votes are accepted and counted by Congress and secondly by the current Vice President on January 6th. The current stage in the process is that their votes have been submitted. Nothing more, nothing less.
Just because this is unusual, and apparently in disagreement with the media narrative, it is a constituntionally bound fact.
Sure, were Trump to concede before January 6th, then that process would be a formality, but even then the College Votes can still be contested.
You can jump up and down all you like, but it doesn't change the constitutional process.
You're beyond help :-X
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Trump is finished, end of story.
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Ahh, but he holds the card.
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I've seen suggestions on Twitter (so it must be true!) that there was going to be an audit of the Dominion voting machines used in the election, in the building in Nashville that was blown up on Christmas day. Not only that, but they are also saying that a projectile (missile?) was seen hurtling into the building moments before the explosion.
It's obviously complete tosh........ but I do love a good conspiracy theory! ;D
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A lot of the right wing media were spouting about how these voting machines were rigged. A few lawyers letters later they quickly issued apologies. The truth
always usually wins.
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A lot of the right wing media were spouting about how these voting machines were rigged. A few lawyers letters later they quickly issued apologies. The truth always[/s] The most money and power usually wins.
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I've seen suggestions on Twitter (so it must be true!) that there was going to be an audit of the Dominion voting machines used in the election, in the building in Nashville that was blown up on Christmas day. Not only that, but they are also saying that a projectile (missile?) was seen hurtling into the building moments before the explosion.
It's obviously complete tosh........ but I do love a good conspiracy theory! ;D
Yes, because they're utterly ridiculous:
conspirators competent enough to rig a national election to the extent of 7 million votes without leaving any evidence that stands up in court, are going to rely on a suicide car bomb outside a fancy phone exchange to destroy 'physical evidence' that's been available for six weeks.
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Nashville apparently wasn't the only explosion.
https://youtu.be/SrivEgKQ_SE NWS as the chap is a bit sweary and quite excitable ;D
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I've seen suggestions on Twitter (so it must be true!) that there was going to be an audit of the Dominion voting machines used in the election, in the building in Nashville that was blown up on Christmas day. Not only that, but they are also saying that a projectile (missile?) was seen hurtling into the building moments before the explosion.
It's obviously complete tosh........ but I do love a good conspiracy theory! ;D
Yes, because they're utterly ridiculous:
conspirators competent enough to rig a national election to the extent of 7 million votes without leaving any evidence that stands up in court, are going to rely on a suicide car bomb outside a fancy phone exchange to destroy 'physical evidence' that's been available for six weeks.
Even the most sophisticated plots have their weak links Nick! :-X ;)
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I've seen suggestions on Twitter (so it must be true!) that there was going to be an audit of the Dominion voting machines used in the election, in the building in Nashville that was blown up on Christmas day. Not only that, but they are also saying that a projectile (missile?) was seen hurtling into the building moments before the explosion.
It's obviously complete tosh........ but I do love a good conspiracy theory! ;D
Yes, because they're utterly ridiculous:
conspirators competent enough to rig a national election to the extent of 7 million votes without leaving any evidence that stands up in court, are going to rely on a suicide car bomb outside a fancy phone exchange to destroy 'physical evidence' that's been available for six weeks.
Even the most sophisticated plots have their weak links Nick! :-X ;)
You have that back to front for conspiracies: even the most asinine conspiracy might have a plausible link.
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I've seen suggestions on Twitter (so it must be true!) that there was going to be an audit of the Dominion voting machines used in the election, in the building in Nashville that was blown up on Christmas day. Not only that, but they are also saying that a projectile (missile?) was seen hurtling into the building moments before the explosion.
It's obviously complete tosh........ but I do love a good conspiracy theory! ;D
Yes, because they're utterly ridiculous:
conspirators competent enough to rig a national election to the extent of 7 million votes without leaving any evidence that stands up in court, are going to rely on a suicide car bomb outside a fancy phone exchange to destroy 'physical evidence' that's been available for six weeks.
Even the most sophisticated plots have their weak links Nick! :-X ;)
You have that back to front for conspiracies: even the most asinine conspiracy might have a plausible link.
Touche! ;D
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I'm not sure what result Trump expects by failing to sign the Covid relief bill. There's probably more mileage in why he's trying to stop the National Defense Authorization Act.
https://twitter.com/JohnWDean/status/1343000911610712066
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Seems to be a few theories doing the rounds.Someone has said it was similar to the warnings the IRA used to give out before a bombing while another is that it was some form of anti 5G protest.The human remains found at the scene have been identified by DNA as the 63 year old owner of the RV.Meanwhile what the Americans call a box truck has been pulled over in Tennessee while broadcasting a similar message but no explosive device was found.
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I'm not sure what result Trump expects by failing to sign the Covid relief bill. There's probably more mileage in why he's trying to stop the National Defense Authorization Act.
https://twitter.com/JohnWDean/status/1343000911610712066
The 'Bill' has three parts. Covid relief, Military budget and federal budget.
He refused to sign it because the overall bill included alot of expensive. overseas spending at the expense of relief payments to US citizens and businesses.
He has now signed the bill, but debates continue regarding an extra $2,000 stimulus cheque.
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Surely anyone can get stimulated for less than 2000 dollars ;D
I thought it was "$5 long time"
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That's inflation :o for you
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Surely anyone can get stimulated for less than 2000 dollars ;D
I thought it was "$5 long time"
Saigon isn't New York, the rents are cheaper for a start :D
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DG: Hmm - John Dean has other thoughts and has some experience of difficult presidents:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dean
On a related theme and apologies if this has been linked previously:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxF_CDDJ0YI
Worth an hour of free time - some of his 2016 views were uncanny previews of 2020 (mainly at 39m15s)
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Perhaps some form of common sense is actually begining to prevail over there ....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55510151 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55510151)
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Having followed Constitutional process, including the debate of objections raised, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are formally the President and Vice President Elect.
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Having followed Constitutional process, including the debate of objections raised, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are formally the President and Vice President Elect.
Trump is probably going to sack you and slag you off with a defeatist attitude like that DG ;D
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Having followed Constitutional process, including the debate of objections raised, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are formally the President and Vice President Elect.
Trump is probably going to sack you and slag you off with a defeatist attitude like that DG ;D
Yes, it's not your Republican Party any more, it's Trumps ;D
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Having followed Constitutional process, including the debate of objections raised, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are formally the President and Vice President Elect.
Trump is probably going to sack you and slag you off with a defeatist attitude like that DG ;D
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Nonsense, I have always maintained that the result would be what it was once the Democtatic and Constitutional Process had run its course.
That has now happened, and whilst disappointing, in light of Trump's statement yesterday, ultimately what he deserved. Unfortunately, I'm with Albs on this, I don't think for one second that Biden/Harris is a good thing for anyone.
Trump has had a pretty good stab as President inspite of all the efforts to derail him, but he will be remembered for what he didn't do or say yesterday, and that's all on him.
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Having followed Constitutional process, including the debate of objections raised, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are formally the President and Vice President Elect.
Trump is probably going to sack you and slag you off with a defeatist attitude like that DG ;D
Nonsense, I have always maintained that the result would be what it was once the Democtatic and Constitutional Process had run its course.
That has now happened, and whilst disappointing, in light of Trump's statement yesterday, ultimately what he deserved. Unfortunately, I'm with Albs on this, I don't think for one second that Biden/Harris is a good thing for anyone.
Trump has had a pretty good stab as President inspite of all the efforts to derail him, but he will be remembered for what he didn't do or say yesterday, and that's all on him.
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I beg your pardon? "The greatest first term in the history of America" I think you'll find. What an absolute self-abuser he is ;D
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Here is a thought. The clock is ticking and we will be subject to all of this and maybe more in just a few years. If Joe makes a hash of it by going too far left........ Trump might be back!
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Here is a thought. The clock is ticking and we will be subject to all of this and maybe more in just a few years. If Joe makes a hash of it by going too far left........ Trump might be back!
I think Biden a nice enough human being. A nice guy.
Sadly though, I think he is too old and muddled to deal with being President.
I imagine he will be 'taking a nap' most of the time, and Ms. Harris will be the real power behind the presidency.
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Yes surely 78 is a bit old for that job?
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Yes surely 78 is a bit old for that job?
Puppet President?
Easily manipulated?
Suggestible?
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Yes surely 78 is a bit old for that job?
Puppet President?
Easily manipulated?
Suggestible?
That all fades at 75, just like your hair dye....
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Yeah, a bit of hair dye and he’s the spit of Jeff Tracy :y
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Yeah, a bit of hair dye and he’s the spit of Jeff Tracy :y
Being young I needed to google Jeff Tracy. :)
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Aye aye ;D
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Aye aye ;D
I had the hots for Marina back in the day. :)
Couldn't compete with Troy Tempest though. :-[ :-[ :-[
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Aye aye ;D
I had the hots for Marina back in the day. :)
Couldn't compete with Troy Tempest though. :-[ :-[ :-[
You preferred Troy Tempest? :o
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Each to their own Stemo after all our Opti is a "modern" man :-X