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[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

The ladder and the rope:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulqATsIgXf8

Good analogy.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I think the grammar school education - which I "benefitted"* from - was in no way elitist, because attendance was on pure merit, not if your dad was in the old boys club.

I also believe it helped all levels of ability, as the brighter kids were not held back by the dimwits, and the dimwits were not left behind because the lessons were too advanced for them to follow.



*I have long believed I would have done better by not going (not that I did often), as the school was more into academia, and particularly more art subjects rather than science.  Which is not the way my simple brain works.  Out of us 5 kids, 2 went to the grammar school system, the other 3 didn't.  The 2 that went to the grammar schools, one is almost unemployable, and I work for some tinpot telco.  The 3 who went to the John Collet School for Thickos have all done rather well...

Despite being from Brackley TB has this spot on.

I also have siblings some of whom went to a grammar, and some of which went to a comprehensive.

Most have done better than me. Although my sister describes her comprehensive education as 'the organised production of mass mediocrity'

Out of interest, what do you make of this?

https://youtu.be/4-C2i9Iq9vY

I believe it still exists.

I would have loved Summerhill.

Would it have been beneficial overall?......I really don't know.

[B52]

Summerhill was part of a college course I did - I got that learning and teaching don't always achieve the intended outcomes, but also wasn't sure this method worked every time (which the founder seemed to believe).

It probably didn't help that Lord of the Flies was in the same course.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Getting rid of Grammars in most of the country was the worst blow to social mobility in the UK in living memory.
Luckily we still have a few in Essex which both my kids benefitted greatly from.
They were retained across Norn Irn when they were killed off in England, but once Blair put former IRA murderers, who are all devout socialists in Govt, and they then took over education, they started to dismantle the system for purely dogmatic reasons.
A great shame. 

We still have some in Kent, including the one I went to. One problem is that grammar schools - selective schools is the current and surprisingly accurate term - were meant to be only one part of a system, and some of the other parts are long since missing. All they do now is suck money and talent(pupils and teachers) away from other, bigger schools.


We shouldn't forget that grammar schools were meant to provide appropriately educated school leavers for white collar jobs with the top few percent sent to university, in the same way that technical schools(the biggest missing part) did for prospective tradesmen. Both the boys(they're almost always single sex, which is another outmoded decision) grammar schools here were started as that: one to teach maths for new naval officers(after 300 years it's still called Sir Joseph Williamson's Mathematical School and known as The Math) and what is now Holcombe Academy(another badly implemented, expensive and generally questionable idea) that was Chatham Technical High School for Boys when I started there in 1981. It had been founded to do the same thing for boys expected to get apprenticeships in the dockyard. By that time it was a grammar school in all but name, which was changed in summer 1982 to Chatham Grammar School for Boys - there was already one for girls.


Another problem is that pupils for these schools are selected when they're ten years old, and I doubt you'll find anyone who would approve of such deliberate social engineering of children at that age in any other way. That includes me and the other 3 members of my immediate family who all went to grammar schools. Their time has gone, but instead of improving the remaining schools and the education they provide, the time, effort and money had been spent on increasing the middle management and bureaucracy. The NHS has suffered similarly


The Labour push to send everyone to university, even for education that was better done on the job or as traditional apprenticeships, has done the education and employment of school leavers no favours either.

Not perfect but then what is. What would you suggest as a better alternative, Nick.

[Nick W]

Not perfect but then what is. What would you suggest as a better alternative, Nick.

A good comprehensive does everything. Lots of emphasis is needed on the good. But that's true of all schools, as there have been some very poor grammars.


Comps have long been considered second class in areas that have grammars which would be a hard thing to change. When working properly the necessary selection of the various streams can be done continuously, although annually is more likely.


What's really needed is for various governments to stop interfering with education(just like other areas) every few years, and to have systems in place to improve the poor schools. Some of those are saddled with their catchment areas which is another hard problem to solve. We seem able to find lots of money to create academies, but all those really do is add redundant bureaucracy into a system that is already too complex.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/teach/class-clips-video/rse-ks2-identity-understanding-sexual-and-gender-identities/zfqrhbk


Slightly off the grammar or comprehensive debate. Here we have  the BBC indoctrination of 8 to 12 year olds. Some of the kids seem worried and scared, rather than curious.

The one teacher tells the kids there are over 100 different genders .Being a neanderthal I was unaware  of this believing instead there were just two genders, and self identification. 

[STEMO]

You said it.....Neanderthal. 

[Raeturbo]

Ferkin evil bastards. Leave the kids alone FFS. Teach them something tidy! 100 genders my arse, Cock and Fanny. That’s it End of.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I find it disturbing  the way the BBC tends to focus on a tiny minority in such a way that it makes the abnormal appear normal.

The vast majority of boys will be attracted to girls, and the vast majority of girls will be attracted to boys. It's natural and has been this way since the dawn of time.

Over 100 genders FFS .....laughable for an adult, but for an 8-12 year old probably enough to give them nightmares.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Ferkin evil bastards. Leave the kids alone FFS. Teach them something tidy! 100 genders my arse, Cock and Fanny. That’s it End of.

Agreed.....if they were teaching the boys where the clit is located I could run with it ........but no lesbian/trans teacher will do that because it wouldn't be woke.

[STEMO]

I find it disturbing  the way the BBC tends to focus on a tiny minority in such a way that it makes the abnormal appear normal.

The vast majority of boys will be attracted to girls, and the vast majority of girls will be attracted to boys. It's natural and has been this way since the dawn of time.

Over 100 genders FFS .....laughable for an adult, but for an 8-12 year old probably enough to give them nightmares.

The point you're missing here is that the kids, once out of the learning environment and back with their parents/family/friends, can see for themselves exactly how the world works. They carry no more of that lesson on to the streets/football field/dinner table than they do maths or english.
Kids are not stupid and they, more often than not, dismiss this stuff as 'something the teacher said at school'.
The whole point of these lessons is to promote tolerance, not to turn healthy young lads into homosexuals. You are an excellent example of what schools are trying to prevent. 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I find it disturbing  the way the BBC tends to focus on a tiny minority in such a way that it makes the abnormal appear normal.

The vast majority of boys will be attracted to girls, and the vast majority of girls will be attracted to boys. It's natural and has been this way since the dawn of time.

Over 100 genders FFS .....laughable for an adult, but for an 8-12 year old probably enough to give them nightmares.

The point you're missing here is that the kids, once out of the learning environment and back with their parents/family/friends, can see for themselves exactly how the world works. They carry no more of that lesson on to the streets/football field/dinner table than they do maths or english.
Kids are not stupid and they, more often than not, dismiss this stuff as 'something the teacher said at school'.
The whole point of these lessons is to promote tolerance, not to turn healthy young lads into homosexuals. You are an excellent example of what schools are trying to prevent. 

I'm surprised you endorse this type of indoctrination.

You're right when you say kids are not stupid, but they are certainly impressionable to what they hear from adults they trust.
Barely any mention of boy likes girl in this video.......which is how 99% of how the world works.

[STEMO]

When I was a kid I was always trying to trip the teachers up, metaphorically. When that teacher said there were over 100 gender identities, I would have asked her to name them, and see how many she got. 

[STEMO]

I find it disturbing  the way the BBC tends to focus on a tiny minority in such a way that it makes the abnormal appear normal.

The vast majority of boys will be attracted to girls, and the vast majority of girls will be attracted to boys. It's natural and has been this way since the dawn of time.

Over 100 genders FFS .....laughable for an adult, but for an 8-12 year old probably enough to give them nightmares.

The point you're missing here is that the kids, once out of the learning environment and back with their parents/family/friends, can see for themselves exactly how the world works. They carry no more of that lesson on to the streets/football field/dinner table than they do maths or english.
Kids are not stupid and they, more often than not, dismiss this stuff as 'something the teacher said at school'.
The whole point of these lessons is to promote tolerance, not to turn healthy young lads into homosexuals. You are an excellent example of what schools are trying to prevent. 

I'm surprised you endorse this type of indoctrination.

You're right when you say kids are not stupid, but they are certainly impressionable to what they hear from adults they trust.
Barely any mention of boy likes girl in this video.......which is how 99% of the wold works.

The indoctrination is in your mind. Go and watch your back catalogue of love thy neighbour. 

[STEMO]

PSHE, Personal, social and health education, is a very small part of the curriculum, about 40 minutes per week. Gender identification is a very small part of PSHE, so a child may get, over the course of a term, about an hour of it. It is not drummed into them on a daily basis and parents can opt out of gender identification if they wish. Stop spreading rubbish, based on your own narrow views, after watching a tiny snippet of what is available on educational tv programmes.