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https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/article-9512583/New-Renault-Dacia-models-speeds-limited-112mph.html
The decision by Volvo - and now Renault - comes as new rules, provisionally agreed by the EU in 2019, could see Intelligent Speed Assistance (ISA) systems become mandatory for all vehicles sold in Europe from next year.
The Department for Transport say that the UK will also make the same requirements of new models, despite Brexit.
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Just wait until they try and impose it on Ferrari, Lamborghini, etc. etc. ::)
Renaults shouldnt be allowed to go anywhere near 112mph anyway, as they fall apart stood still. ;D
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JDM cars have had similar fitted for decades.
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JDM cars have had similar fitted for decades.
Can't have done, traffic sign recognition wasn't around then.
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There'll be no more police interceptors on telly. 112mph will see baddies easily caught on motorways and, once the getaway cars electronics start recognising 30mph speed signs, the game's up. ;D
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https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/article-9512583/New-Renault-Dacia-models-speeds-limited-112mph.html
The decision by Volvo - and now Renault - comes as new rules, provisionally agreed by the EU in 2019, could see Intelligent Speed Assistance (ISA) systems become mandatory for all vehicles sold in Europe from next year.......
There'll be loads of Dacia owners out there scratching their heads and thinking 'my Dacia didn't reach 112mph anyway', so it won't need restricting. ::)
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The adaptive speed limiter legislation is not yet fully ratified, in simple terms, the current proposal is one that defaults on but can be turned off at every ignition cycle (many cars already have them but they default off or to the last known setting) :y
The internal info on Renault is that its a bit of a cost save approach to, legally you must fit tyres rated to the cars top speed, limit the speed, fit lower rated tyres, save money.....
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There'll be no more police interceptors on telly. 112mph will see baddies easily caught on motorways and, once the getaway cars electronics start recognising 30mph speed signs, the game's up. ;D
There will be no need for camera vans, hidden cameras in horse boxes etc. and no more NIP's through the post. I couldn't have been speeding officer, my car won't let me. They won't like that will they. ;D
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The adaptive speed limiter legislation is not yet fully ratified, in simple terms, the current proposal is one that defaults on but can be turned off at every ignition cycle (many cars already have them but they default off or to the last known setting) :y
The internal info on Renault is that its a bit of a cost save approach to, legally you must fit tyres rated to the cars top speed, limit the speed, fit lower rated tyres, save money.....
Yep, and I assume why the traditional spare wheel is gradually disappearing. Reduced weight, reduced emissions and reduced costs.
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Renault announce that all of their cars have had speed limited devices for decades and that device is the engine.
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Yep, and I assume why the traditional spare wheel is gradually disappearing. Reduced weight, reduced emissions and reduced costs.
No need to assume. A spare wheel adds 1-2g of co2 per km, hence why you rarely get them now. Of course they could save a lot more by not adding a load of useless crap, but then it wouldn't be the car industry.
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The adaptive speed limiter legislation is not yet fully ratified, in simple terms, the current proposal is one that defaults on but can be turned off at every ignition cycle (many cars already have them but they default off or to the last known setting) :y
The internal info on Renault is that its a bit of a cost save approach to, legally you must fit tyres rated to the cars top speed, limit the speed, fit lower rated tyres, save money.....
Yep, and I assume why the traditional spare wheel is gradually disappearing. Reduced weight, reduced emissions and reduced costs.
Another factor is that even small cars now have large diameter wheels, and there simply isn't space to fit something that needs a hole 700mm across by 250mm deep.
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JDM cars have had similar fitted for decades.
Can't have done, traffic sign recognition wasn't around then.
Maybe not but they have been speed limited for decades
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_domestic_market :-X
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The adaptive speed limiter legislation is not yet fully ratified, in simple terms, the current proposal is one that defaults on but can be turned off at every ignition cycle (many cars already have them but they default off or to the last known setting) :y
The internal info on Renault is that its a bit of a cost save approach to, legally you must fit tyres rated to the cars top speed, limit the speed, fit lower rated tyres, save money.....
Yep, and I assume why the traditional spare wheel is gradually disappearing. Reduced weight, reduced emissions and reduced costs.
Another factor is that even small cars now have large diameter wheels, and there simply isn't space to fit something that needs a hole 700mm across by 250mm deep.
Actually, the major factor these days is that only about 2% of car drivers can actually change a wheel, rendering it bloody useless in most cases :y
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The show me/tell me part of the driving test is really effective then.
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The adaptive speed limiter legislation is not yet fully ratified, in simple terms, the current proposal is one that defaults on but can be turned off at every ignition cycle (many cars already have them but they default off or to the last known setting) :y
The internal info on Renault is that its a bit of a cost save approach to, legally you must fit tyres rated to the cars top speed, limit the speed, fit lower rated tyres, save money.....
Yep, and I assume why the traditional spare wheel is gradually disappearing. Reduced weight, reduced emissions and reduced costs.
Another factor is that even small cars now have large diameter wheels, and there simply isn't space to fit something that needs a hole 700mm across by 250mm deep.
Actually, the major factor these days is that only about 2% of car drivers can actually change a wheel, rendering it bloody useless in most cases :y
Everyone of them could get somebody else to do it for them. Which isn't possible when the cure for a flat tyre is an expensive, time consuming recovery to a new tyre. Add up the costs of that, and any potential economy savings from the weight reduction are gone even during business hours.
The car buyer never received the cost saving; the manufacturer got all of that.
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JDM cars have had similar fitted for decades.
Can't have done, traffic sign recognition wasn't around then.
Maybe not but they have been speed limited for decades
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_domestic_market :-X
Yes, I know, but that was only a part of the article :-X
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I buy a space saver for every car I buy, and I am so averse to being caught in the dark/wet with no more than a (probably out of date) bottle of goo, that no room for a spare means no purchase of the car.
If people are so useless that they can't change a wheel, what chance do they have with the goo?
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I buy a space saver for every car I buy, and I am so averse to being caught in the dark/wet with no more than a (probably out of date) bottle of goo, that no room for a spare means no purchase of the car.
If people are so useless that they can't change a wheel, what chance do they have with the goo?
Its legislation tick box.......... :y
I always have a spare generally on a car, but I know what to do with one (well, on cars where a spare fits!)
The standard approach these days is to get breakdown in.
In fact people call the breakdown for anything, its not unusual to see a roadside assist for low washer fluid!
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The adaptive speed limiter legislation is not yet fully ratified, in simple terms, the current proposal is one that defaults on but can be turned off at every ignition cycle (many cars already have them but they default off or to the last known setting) :y
The internal info on Renault is that its a bit of a cost save approach to, legally you must fit tyres rated to the cars top speed, limit the speed, fit lower rated tyres, save money.....
Yep, and I assume why the traditional spare wheel is gradually disappearing. Reduced weight, reduced emissions and reduced costs.
Another factor is that even small cars now have large diameter wheels, and there simply isn't space to fit something that needs a hole 700mm across by 250mm deep.
Actually, the major factor these days is that only about 2% of car drivers can actually change a wheel, rendering it bloody useless in most cases :y
Everyone of them could get somebody else to do it for them. Which isn't possible when the cure for a flat tyre is an expensive, time consuming recovery to a new tyre. Add up the costs of that, and any potential economy savings from the weight reduction are gone even during business hours.
The car buyer never received the cost saving; the manufacturer got all of that.
And again, the cost of which is not one paid for by the car manufacturer :y
At the moment the costs saves here end up being spent other must haves such as ADAS ;)
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Talking of costs, I'm going to start a new thread.
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https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/article-9512583/New-Renault-Dacia-models-speeds-limited-112mph.html
The decision by Volvo - and now Renault - comes as new rules, provisionally agreed by the EU in 2019, could see Intelligent Speed Assistance (ISA) systems become mandatory for all vehicles sold in Europe from next year.
The Department for Transport say that the UK will also make the same requirements of new models, despite Brexit.
The nanny state should be part of TB's cull. :(
My car has a limiter, but because it has the optional 'speed pack' which originally cost it's first owner £2500, it is set at 186 MPH.
One good thing. Since the remap by Viezu, the soft limiter set at 4000 RPM, is no longer there. :y
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https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/article-9512583/New-Renault-Dacia-models-speeds-limited-112mph.html
The decision by Volvo - and now Renault - comes as new rules, provisionally agreed by the EU in 2019, could see Intelligent Speed Assistance (ISA) systems become mandatory for all vehicles sold in Europe from next year.
The Department for Transport say that the UK will also make the same requirements of new models, despite Brexit.
The nanny state should be part of TB's cull. :(
My car has a limiter, but because it has the optional 'speed pack' which originally cost it's first owner £2500, it is set at 186 MPH.
One good thing. Since the remap by Viezu, the soft limiter set at 4000 RPM, is no longer there. :y
So has mine, apparently, but I've no idea how to use it. Good job it doesn't default to on, because it picked up a 10 MPH limit sign in a side road with roadworks at 60 MPH on my commute the other day and kept flashing away at 10 MPH for several miles before it found a NSL sign. ;D
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https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/article-9512583/New-Renault-Dacia-models-speeds-limited-112mph.html
The decision by Volvo - and now Renault - comes as new rules, provisionally agreed by the EU in 2019, could see Intelligent Speed Assistance (ISA) systems become mandatory for all vehicles sold in Europe from next year.
The Department for Transport say that the UK will also make the same requirements of new models, despite Brexit.
The nanny state should be part of TB's cull. :(
My car has a limiter, but because it has the optional 'speed pack' which originally cost it's first owner £2500, it is set at 186 MPH.
One good thing. Since the remap by Viezu, the soft limiter set at 4000 RPM, is no longer there. :y
So has mine, apparently, but I've no idea how to use it. Good job it doesn't default to on, because it picked up a 10 MPH limit sign in a side road with roadworks at 60 MPH on my commute the other day and kept flashing away at 10 MPH for several miles before it found a NSL sign. ;D
It won't be long before your car is reporting you to the police ;D
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https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/article-9512583/New-Renault-Dacia-models-speeds-limited-112mph.html
The decision by Volvo - and now Renault - comes as new rules, provisionally agreed by the EU in 2019, could see Intelligent Speed Assistance (ISA) systems become mandatory for all vehicles sold in Europe from next year.
The Department for Transport say that the UK will also make the same requirements of new models, despite Brexit.
The nanny state should be part of TB's cull. :(
My car has a limiter, but because it has the optional 'speed pack' which originally cost it's first owner £2500, it is set at 186 MPH.
One good thing. Since the remap by Viezu, the soft limiter set at 4000 RPM, is no longer there. :y
So has mine, apparently, but I've no idea how to use it. Good job it doesn't default to on, because it picked up a 10 MPH limit sign in a side road with roadworks at 60 MPH on my commute the other day and kept flashing away at 10 MPH for several miles before it found a NSL sign. ;D
It won't be long before your car is reporting you to the police ;D
The stories it could tell. :-X
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Its legislation tick box.......... :y
I always have a spare generally on a car, but I know what to do with one (well, on cars where a spare fits!)
The standard approach these days is to get breakdown in.
In fact people call the breakdown for anything, its not unusual to see a roadside assist for low washer fluid!
There are cars that have a spacesaver spare, but the wheel you take off doesn't fit anywhere sensible. The mk1 TT and Beetles are like that. You have to put the original wheel on the passenger seat. Porsche 911s are similar. The first XC90s have a spacesaver in a cradle under the car, but the flat doesn't fit in it; instead you wrap the wheel in the bag supplied and put it in the boot. Cars fitted with the factory bodykit and twin exhausts don't have the cradle.
I've replaced spacesaver spares with a full sized one on several cars.
I went to one car with a flat that was still on the woman's drive. It wasn't a puncture, but was so badly worn it would no longer hold air. When I spotted that, I checked the other side, to find it too was worn through to the belts. When she asked if the tyre was repairable I declined to fit the spare as it was clear she would drive her leased company car until the other tyre failed. She claimed to be an engineer....
My best stupid comment was a non-start. When I told him the cause, the owner insisted it couldn't be a flat battery "because this is a BMW!" It was a 10 year old 316 that looked like the last time the bonnet had been opened was for the PDI.
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The Boxster is another case of nowhere to store the wheel if you fit the space saver. Im not even certain a rear wheel from mine would fit in the passenger seat.
Saw some pics of something a guy rigged up so he could strap a wheel to the bootlid, but seemed a lot of faffing around.
It would be a breakdown callout if I get a puncture. Particularly as the car currently doesnt even have a jack on board.
Porsche versions go for around £75 second hand !
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...She claimed to be an engineer....
Doesn't everyone, these days? >:(
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The Boxster is another case of nowhere to store the wheel if you fit the space saver. Im not even certain a rear wheel from mine would fit in the passenger seat.
Saw some pics of something a guy rigged up so he could strap a wheel to the bootlid, but seemed a lot of faffing around.
It would be a breakdown callout if I get a puncture. Particularly as the car currently doesnt even have a jack on board.
Porsche versions go for around £75 second hand !
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/consumer-news/99109/flat-tyres-are-the-top-cause-of-car-breakdown-call-outs
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The Boxster is another case of nowhere to store the wheel if you fit the space saver. Im not even certain a rear wheel from mine would fit in the passenger seat.
Saw some pics of something a guy rigged up so he could strap a wheel to the bootlid, but seemed a lot of faffing around.
It would be a breakdown callout if I get a puncture. Particularly as the car currently doesnt even have a jack on board.
Porsche versions go for around £75 second hand !
Where are the pictures?
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Just for you. :y
(https://i.postimg.cc/HWbTMwmk/IMG_0931.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/145xhN4k)
(https://i.postimg.cc/YCC7TTWv/IMG_0914.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kBzLb1wC)
(https://i.postimg.cc/tJGyfT3b/IMG_0934.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8J4qfTXX)
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Very nice. Is there enough room for a medium dog behind the seats or is that where the roof goes?
I remember BMW did research before they sprang their first car with no spare. 93,000 miles was the figure for puncture interval. So I wasnt too bothered when our car was tube of glue and a decent electric pump. Have had three punctures now in three years. One was a hole in sidewall big enough to poke your finger through..... I have got an alloy and tyre. Just need wheel change kit which command ridiculous prices at scrapyards, Ebay.
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Can you get someone to take a picture of the Porsche with you in it, Albs? ;D
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The only thing behind the seats is the engine, and the roof sits on top of that. No room for anything else, its all very tight.
There is a boot at the front and rear though, so storage space is reasonable.
Presumably thats why it handles so well. The engine is ahead of the rear wheels. The front of the engine is only accessible by moving the seats forward and removing an access panel.
Rear tyres are 265/35/18 and I doubt would fit on the passenger seat, although I havent tried yet.
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Can you get someone to take a picture of the Porsche with you in it, Albs? ;D
No. My wife says it has mid life crisis all over it, which I deny. A photo would shatter my delusions. ;D
Driving along with the top down and Bob Seger on the stereo, makes me feel 21 again, as long as I dont look in the rear view mirror.
So although it cost me £1900, its worth its weight in gold. ;D
In all seriousness though, it really is a lovely old thing to drive, in a very different way to the Omega being a lovely old thing to drive. :)
I will try and take some pics of the layout of the seats / roof/ engine and post them up soon.
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Can you get someone to take a picture of the Porsche with you in it, Albs? ;D
Rather than see Mr Bitz ( which may frighten the horses and small children) how about some nubile totty to fill the passenger side.
Looks good though, and with a 2.7 litre lump should go quite well.
What has it cost you in total?
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Ah....just £1900. What's not to like. :y
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Ah....just £1900. What's not to like. :y
A Porsche for the equivalent of your annual VED :y
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Only the same bhp as a 3.2 Omega, although half a ton lighter, so not super quick, but certainly quick enough to have fun with, and the handling is superb.
It needs a few things doing, but I always like a project. And I shouldnt ever lose money on it, which is unusual for one of my projects.
Would have preferred a 3.2 S (250bhp) and almost any colour but silver, but at that price I couldnt turn it down. ;)
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Ah....just £1900. What's not to like. :y
A Porsche for the equivalent of your annual VED :y
Thats made my day. ;D
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Only the same bhp as a 3.2 Omega, although half a ton lighter, so not super quick, but certainly quick enough to have fun with, and the handling is superb.
It needs a few things doing, but I always like a project. And I shouldnt ever lose money on it, which is unusual for one of my projects.
Would have preferred a 3.2 S (250bhp) and almost any colour but silver, but at that price I couldnt turn it down. ;)
500KG ( or 2 Suzuki Hayabusa) is quite a lot of weight to save so as you say the performance should be impressive if not 'rip your face off' super quick.
If you have any spare Omega star silver paint hanging around you may be able to save yourself a few bob on repairs. ::) ;)
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Ah....just £1900. What's not to like. :y
A Porsche for the equivalent of your annual VED :y
Thats made my day. ;D
Pocket change to Opti, of course.
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£600 for the mighty Signum and £600 for the Tata. :-\
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£600 for the mighty Signum and £600 for the Tata. :-\
Not quite a Porsche then, just several omegas. :)
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Its Porsche Arctic Silver I will have you know. :P :D
The power is very linear, with no big surge anywhere in the rev range, and also pretty torquey, so its a bit deceptive, until you look at the speedo and decide its time to slow down a bit.
My licence is my most precious possession these days. ;)
At its best on B roads with nice fast sweeping bends, and there are plenty of those around here. Just the usual problem of always coming up behind someone doing a constant 38 mph in all conditions and circumstances. ::)
The sound from the engine is absolutely gorgeous from the driving seat, as it sits just behind the driver. 8)
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£600 for the mighty Signum and £600 for the Tata. :-\
Not quite a Porsche then, just several omegas. :)
I'd guess around a dozen.
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Twelve Omega......£1200. ::)
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Ah....just £1900. What's not to like. :y
We'd need a bigger internet to be able to answer that.
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Dont you start. ;D
The thing not to like will be the cost of new tyres, and if anything goes seriously wrong with it. ::)
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Twelve Omega......£1200. ::)
And, if they were all 3.2's, another three grand or so in VED. :)
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https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/article-9512583/New-Renault-Dacia-models-speeds-limited-112mph.html
The decision by Volvo - and now Renault - comes as new rules, provisionally agreed by the EU in 2019, could see Intelligent Speed Assistance (ISA) systems become mandatory for all vehicles sold in Europe from next year.......
There'll be loads of Dacia owners out there scratching their heads and thinking 'my Dacia didn't reach 112mph anyway', so it won't need restricting. ::)
The speed limit is 70, why not set the speed limiting software to 77 (What my wife's Astra shows on the clock when the GPS on the sat nav says 70 mph.
Just install my wife in every car and when you get to an indicated 70, (real GPS figure 65 mph) you can get an auditable warning from.inside the car.
Even when she's not installed, I get the warning in.my head.
Mind you I found out my sat nav records the max speed. Pointed out by my son who borrowed it. My excuse some sort of weird under bridge connectivity issue. Lucky he never mentioned it to his mother.
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Restricting speeds to the legal limit leaves no safety margin. Braking isn't always the safest option.
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https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/article-9512583/New-Renault-Dacia-models-speeds-limited-112mph.html
The decision by Volvo - and now Renault - comes as new rules, provisionally agreed by the EU in 2019, could see Intelligent Speed Assistance (ISA) systems become mandatory for all vehicles sold in Europe from next year.......
There'll be loads of Dacia owners out there scratching their heads and thinking 'my Dacia didn't reach 112mph anyway', so it won't need restricting. ::)
The speed limit is 70, why not set the speed limiting software to 77 (What my wife's Astra shows on the clock when the GPS on the sat nav says 70 mph.
Just install my wife in every car and when you get to an indicated 70, (real GPS figure 65 mph) you can get an auditable warning from.inside the car.
Even when she's not installed, I get the warning in.my head.
Mind you I found out my sat nav records the max speed. Pointed out by my son who borrowed it. My excuse some sort of weird under bridge connectivity issue. Lucky he never mentioned it to his mother.
The Motorway speed limit in France is 130KPh - about 82MPH. There is no Motorway speed limit in Germany (some parts at least). So that's at least 3 different speed limiters required depending where the car is being driven. Manufacturers aren't going to fit something that needs to be different in every country unless it's easily changed/updated. If it's easy to change/update, then every Joe Bloggs will do it. If they're forced to by legislation, then the customer will ultimately pay - meaning more expensive cars.
And I really don't fancy driving in a speed limited 70MPH car on a German autobahn where 140MPH+ is 'normal'.
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And I really don't fancy driving in a speed limited 70MPH car on a German autobahn where 140MPH+ is 'normal'.
I've done it in a VW Lupo (top speed about 90) and it was scary enough. :o
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And I really don't fancy driving in a speed limited 70MPH car on a German autobahn where 140MPH+ is 'normal'.
I've done it in a VW Lupo (top speed about 90) and it was scary enough. :o
Try driving a truck at 56mph on an unrestricted German Autobahn! :o ;D
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And I really don't fancy driving in a speed limited 70MPH car on a German autobahn where 140MPH+ is 'normal'.
I've done it in a VW Lupo (top speed about 90) and it was scary enough. :o
Try driving a truck at 56mph on an unrestricted German Autobahn! :o ;D
There's a reason they're stuck in lane one during the day and banned at weekends ;)
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Wish I could turn the speed limiter off on my company motor :P
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And I really don't fancy driving in a speed limited 70MPH car on a German autobahn where 140MPH+ is 'normal'.
I've done it in a VW Lupo (top speed about 90) and it was scary enough. :o
Try driving a truck at 56mph on an unrestricted German Autobahn! :o ;D
There's a reason they're stuck in lane one during the day and banned at weekends ;)
This only applies to stretches of the Autobahn and mostly you can overtake, otherwise you'd end up with 'truck trains' with loads of trucks stuck behind some old Turkish or Iranian dog. ::)
I once saw an old Merc bull nose wagon and drag on Iranian plates going along the Autobahn at about 45mph in a cloud of black smoke, and I think the 10-15 blokes crammed into the cab were as surprised to see the driver of the truck overtaking them sat in the passenger seat as I was at their crowded cab! ;D