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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: STEMO on 12 May 2022, 14:10:48
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https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-10802051/The-1971-Mk1-Escort-RS1600-set-new-auction-record-week.html
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Pretty sure that one went for £98000 recently. It may have been the hot Escort before the RS 1600......the Escort Twin Cam.
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I stand corrected.
It was a MK2 RS2000 from 1980.
https://www.classicandsportscar.com/auctions/mk2-ford-escort-sells-almost-ps100000 (https://www.classicandsportscar.com/auctions/mk2-ford-escort-sells-almost-ps100000)
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Crazy, but if you've got the money and you think it's an appreciating asset........ :-\
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Crazy, but if you've got the money and you think it's an appreciating asset........ :-\
At least the engines from the Twin cam/RS1600/RS1800 were a bit special. The engine from the RS2000 was a crude agricultural lump taken from the 2 litre Cortina. :-\
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Should have kept my MK 1 Mexico bought new in August 1973 got £130 for my 3.3 PB Velox in part exchange, which left a balance of £1039 which cost me £31.40 per month for 36 months, kept it for about 6 years & then traded it for a MK1 3.0 Granada Ghia, they were both great vehicles.
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Opti may have been the anonymous buyer of this merc:
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-10809573/Mercedes-1956-SLR-300-coupe-reportedly-sold-secret-auction-115m.html
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Opti may have been the anonymous buyer of this merc:
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-10809573/Mercedes-1956-SLR-300-coupe-reportedly-sold-secret-auction-115m.html
It's nice...but £115 million nice.....I think not. ;)
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Should have kept my MK 1 Mexico bought new in August 1973 got £130 for my 3.3 PB Velox in part exchange, which left a balance of £1039 which cost me £31.40 per month for 36 months, kept it for about 6 years & then traded it for a MK1 3.0 Granada Ghia, they were both great vehicles.
Worth a pretty penny now. :y
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I bet my magnificent Morris Marina 1800TC Coupe finished in BL Mustard with a classy thick black stripe down the bonnet would be worth a pretty penny now! :)
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I bet my magnificent Morris Marina 1800TC Coupe finished in BL Mustard with a classy thick black stripe down the bonnet would be worth a penny now! :)
Fixed that for you, Tigger :)
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I bet my magnificent Morris Marina 1800TC Coupe finished in BL Mustard with a classy thick black stripe down the bonnet would be worth a pretty penny now! :)
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Hate to admit that the Granada went when the first baby came along replaced with an Ital estate, for the pram & first Boxer puppy we bought, in all fairness it wasn't a bad motor .
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How many goes do you get ? if the "Escort" costs £65,000 :o
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I bet my magnificent Morris Marina 1800TC Coupe finished in BL Mustard with a classy thick black stripe down the bonnet would be worth a pretty penny now! :)
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Hate to admit that the Granada went when the first baby came along replaced with an Ital estate, for the pram & first Boxer puppy we bought, in all fairness it wasn't a bad motor .
I think we all look back through rose tinted glassed. I loved my cortina 2.3 ghia, but I'll bet it would drive like a dog compared even to my derv astra.
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Have I ever said I passed my test in a MK 1 Escort? ::)
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Car prizes have gone crazy, Nissan Skylines are going for upto £100K Lotus Carltons have been offered at £120K :-\
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Won’t be long before someone says good Omegas will command high prices. Oops I just have!
When everyone is driving economical, ele tric cars that are speed governed, old luxurious gas guzzlers will be highly sought after. The only problem might be living long enough to see it happen. Our children will though.
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Won’t be long before someone says good Omegas will command high prices. Oops I just have!
When everyone is driving economical, electric cars that are speed governed, old luxurious gas guzzlers will be highly sought after. The only problem might be living long enough to see it happen. Our children will though.
They will. Just like a good PC Cresta already does. Apparently, there are about 40 left, and a fair proportion of them can't be good. Usually at this point, such things are barely cars.
As always, just because something is rare doesn't mean it's desirable. And if it isn't desirable, it can't be valuable.
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I’d love to see a spoof auctioneer run this through auction.
So, we have before us a really old Ford Escort MK1. Not a particularly desirable car when new so it will feel really dated now. But, hold on, this is not an ordinary Escort MK1. This is an RS, a BDA/AVO model, which means nothing other than you’ll pay more for it than a meagre GT.
Not only is it an RS, it’s a very recently resprayed RS, so you can’t see what’s lurking underneath. The front indicators should have been removed for the respray but the seller decided to hand paint around them in case the rust behind them made it difficult to get them back in.
Right then folks, it’s your money to spend so let the bidding commence. Shall we start at a sensible £1K, do I hear £1.5K.
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I bet my magnificent Morris Marina 1800TC Coupe finished in BL Mustard with a classy thick black stripe down the bonnet would be worth a pretty penny now! :)
It would be worth its 'weigh in weight'..... :)
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I’d love to see a spoof auctioneer run this through auction.
So, we have before us a really old Ford Escort MK1. Not a particularly desirable car when new so it will feel really dated now. But, hold on, this is not an ordinary Escort MK1. This is an RS, a BDA/AVO model, which means nothing other than you’ll pay more for it than a meagre GT.
Not only is it an RS, it’s a very recently resprayed RS, so you can’t see what’s lurking underneath. The front indicators should have been removed for the respray but the seller decided to hand paint around them in case the rust behind them made it difficult to get them back in.
Right then folks, it’s your money to spend so let the bidding commence. Shall we start at a sensible £1K, do I hear £1.5K.
;D ;D
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Crazy, but if you've got the money and you think it's an appreciating asset........ :-\
holding my cavalier 1.8ls in anticipation ;D
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Crazy, but if you've got the money and you think it's an appreciating asset........ :-\
holding my cavalier 1.8ls in anticipation ;Don’t
Rare colour?
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Crazy, but if you've got the money and you think it's an appreciating asset........ :-\
holding my cavalier 1.8ls in anticipation ;Don’t
Rare colour?
Two tone blue and rust!
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Dads last car was a MK1["N" reg 1300XL 4 door]Escort,he did a deal on it for his "L" reg Mercedes 280CE coupe :o he decided to get shut of the Merc as my parents had moved house and once it was in the garage he couldn't open the door wide enough to get out of it :-[
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I had an N reg 1300 L 2 door Escort Mk1.
Bought it to build my stock car
Paid £50 for it
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A garage in Kelvedon has a nice looking MK2 Escort in their showroom for £16,000. Seems a bargain by comparison.
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Car prizes have gone crazy, Nissan Skylines are going for upto £100K Lotus Carltons have been offered at £120K :-\
You need to think in 30+ year cycles, the people buying those at them prices were 18-20 year olds, they are now 50+ and have the money to buy their dream cars,
The question is what's going to be worth the money in 30-40 years from now.. It won't be anything with a battery in..It will be the Performance versions,from the manufacturers, GR Toyota, the Big AMGs, BMW,,M, etc and of course Signums.
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Car prizes have gone crazy, Nissan Skylines are going for upto £100K Lotus Carltons have been offered at £120K :-\
You need to think in 30+ year cycles, the people buying those at them prices were 18-20 year olds, they are now 50+ and have the money to buy their dream cars,
The question is what's going to be worth the money in 30-40 years from now.. It won't be anything with a battery in..It will be the Performance versions,from the manufacturers, GR Toyota, the Big AMGs, BMW,,M, etc and of course Signums.
....but of course. :y
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Car prizes have gone crazy, Nissan Skylines are going for upto £100K Lotus Carltons have been offered at £120K :-\
You need to think in 30+ year cycles, the people buying those at them prices were 18-20 year olds, they are now 50+ and have the money to buy their dream cars,
The question is what's going to be worth the money in 30-40 years from now.. It won't be anything with a battery in..It will be the Performance versions,from the manufacturers, GR Toyota, the Big AMGs, BMW,,M, etc and of course Signums.
How will they start without a battery?
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Car prizes have gone crazy, Nissan Skylines are going for upto £100K Lotus Carltons have been offered at £120K :-\
You need to think in 30+ year cycles, the people buying those at them prices were 18-20 year olds, they are now 50+ and have the money to buy their dream cars,
The question is what's going to be worth the money in 30-40 years from now.. It won't be anything with a battery in..It will be the Performance versions,from the manufacturers, GR Toyota, the Big AMGs, BMW,,M, etc and of course Signums.
How will they start without a battery?
Handle? :P ;)
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Car prizes have gone crazy, Nissan Skylines are going for upto £100K Lotus Carltons have been offered at £120K :-\
You need to think in 30+ year cycles, the people buying those at them prices were 18-20 year olds, they are now 50+ and have the money to buy their dream cars,
The question is what's going to be worth the money in 30-40 years from now.. It won't be anything with a battery in..It will be the Performance versions,from the manufacturers, Porsche Boxsters, Vauxhall Omega 3.2, Elites and of course diesel clits.
Fixed that for you. :y ;D
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Car prizes have gone crazy, Nissan Skylines are going for upto £100K Lotus Carltons have been offered at £120K :-\
You need to think in 30+ year cycles, the people buying those at them prices were 18-20 year olds, they are now 50+ and have the money to buy their dream cars,
The question is what's going to be worth the money in 30-40 years from now.. It won't be anything with a battery in..It will be the Performance versions,from the manufacturers, Porsche Boxsters, Vauxhall Omega 3.2, Elites and of course diesel C L I O .
Fixed that for you. :y ;D
It's not the time to be trying to "big up" CL-Eeyore the French Turd
this is the first week since you've owned it that you haven't posted to say it's broke down and needs fixing ::)
Do you have the week off ,so not tried to start or drive it ;D :D
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I should whisper this, but its been reliable for almost 3 months now. :o ;D
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I should whisper this, but its been reliable for almost 3 months now. :o ;D
Too late. Your whispered comment has been heard by the 'French reliability fairies'. They are not pleased and intend to teach you a lesson. ;) ;D
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Won’t be long before someone says good Omegas will command high prices. Oops I just have!
When everyone is driving economical, ele tric cars that are speed governed, old luxurious gas guzzlers will be highly sought after. The only problem might be living long enough to see it happen. Our children will though.
sshh, don't tell anyone, I might be able to tuck another one away while they are still cheap...the good thing about today's future classics, is that you can actually enjoy a long road trip in them, as long as they are well looked after. I'm not sure how far I'd want to go in a 4 speed non-AC equipped plastic seated Mk1 Escort these days....
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Won’t be long before someone says good Omegas will command high prices. Oops I just have!
When everyone is driving economical, ele tric cars that are speed governed, old luxurious gas guzzlers will be highly sought after. The only problem might be living long enough to see it happen. Our children will though.
sshh, don't tell anyone, I might be able to tuck another one away while they are still cheap...the good thing about today's future classics, is that you can actually enjoy a long road trip in them, as long as they are well looked after. I'm not sure how far I'd want to go in a 4 speed non-AC equipped plastic seated Mk1 Escort these days....
Yep...200 miles in a low geared 4 speed Escort from the seventies would not be much fun in 2022. However, the Omega can still crush the miles today in comfort. :y
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I saw a white Mk1 Escort with ribbons on it outside the local church a couple of years ago, waiting for the happy couple, I bet she was thrilled!
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Car prizes have gone crazy, Nissan Skylines are going for upto £100K Lotus Carltons have been offered at £120K :-\
You need to think in 30+ year cycles, the people buying those at them prices were 18-20 year olds, they are now 50+ and have the money to buy their dream cars,
The question is what's going to be worth the money in 30-40 years from now.. It won't be anything with a battery in..It will be the Performance versions,from the manufacturers, GR Toyota, the Big AMGs, BMW,,M, etc and of course Signums.
How will they start without a battery?
Garage ornaments don't need to start. Just look shiny enough to sell on to the next mug investor
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Yep...200 miles in a low geared 4 speed Escort from the seventies would not be much fun in 2022. However, the Omega can still crush the miles today in comfort. :y
My 1500 automatic Avenger was one of three in the Coventry Motor Museum car park for the owner's club AGM. The other two were local cars. It was quite happy at 70mph on the M1, although there wasn't a lot left ;D . And it was better for that sort of trip than my mother's mk1 Focus....
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Yep...200 miles in a low geared 4 speed Escort from the seventies would not be much fun in 2022. However, the Omega can still crush the miles today in comfort. :y
My 1500 automatic Avenger was one of three in the Coventry Motor Museum car park for the owner's club AGM. The other two were local cars. It was quite happy at 70mph on the M1, although there wasn't a lot left ;D . And it was better for that sort of trip than my mother's mk1 Focus....
I seem to remember such a beast known as the Avenger Tiger. Usually yellow, I think.
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Yep...200 miles in a low geared 4 speed Escort from the seventies would not be much fun in 2022. However, the Omega can still crush the miles today in comfort. :y
My 1500 automatic Avenger was one of three in the Coventry Motor Museum car park for the owner's club AGM. The other two were local cars. It was quite happy at 70mph on the M1, although there wasn't a lot left ;D . And it was better for that sort of trip than my mother's mk1 Focus....
I seem to remember such a beast known as the Avenger Tiger. Usually yellow, I think.
or orange
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I would like another Avenger ,but like everything else old, they are very expensive if they have survived the tinworm which ruined almost all cars of that era.
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I would like another Avenger ,but like everything else old, they are very expensive if they have survived the tinworm which ruined almost all cars of that era.
How many people own a Hillman in 2022....Not many.
How many young people have even heard the name?
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My aunt had a Hillman Minx convertible when I was a kid, then she traded it for a Sunbeam Rapier one of the prettiest cars I'd ever seen at the time.
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I would like another Avenger ,but like everything else old, they are very expensive if they have survived the tinworm which ruined almost all cars of that era.
How many people own a Hillman in 2022....Not many.
How many young people have even heard the name?
I believe that until fairly recently the Hillman Hunter was still manufactured in Iran, so I'd imagine there are still a few going round there. :)
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Yep...200 miles in a low geared 4 speed Escort from the seventies would not be much fun in 2022. However, the Omega can still crush the miles today in comfort. :y
My 1500 automatic Avenger was one of three in the Coventry Motor Museum car park for the owner's club AGM. The other two were local cars. It was quite happy at 70mph on the M1, although there wasn't a lot left ;D . And it was better for that sort of trip than my mother's mk1 Focus....
I seem to remember such a beast known as the Avenger Tiger. Usually yellow, I think.
A mate of mine had one. Had a pair of Dellorto sidedraughts on it, although I think he fitted them and it originally had a pair of Zenith Strombergs?
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Yep...200 miles in a low geared 4 speed Escort from the seventies would not be much fun in 2022. However, the Omega can still crush the miles today in comfort. :y
My 1500 automatic Avenger was one of three in the Coventry Motor Museum car park for the owner's club AGM. The other two were local cars. It was quite happy at 70mph on the M1, although there wasn't a lot left ;D . And it was better for that sort of trip than my mother's mk1 Focus....
I seem to remember such a beast known as the Avenger Tiger. Usually yellow, I think.
A mate of mine had one. Had a pair of Dellorto sidedraughts on it, although I think he fitted them and it originally had a pair of Zenith Strombergs?
Tigers had DCOEs as standard. Avengers were afflicted with Zeniths otherwise, with twins on GTs and other high spec cars.
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I had the Avenger estate[1500cc I think it was but might have been a 1600?] the other Hillman I've owned was an Imp van[first ones of those were called Commer Cob]the other Rootes group car I've owned was a MkI Humber Sceptre.
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I bought my Avenger when I was 18, so of course did everything arse about face.
Uprated the front and rear suspension, fitted a full roll cage, dash from GT model with extra dials, bucket seats, and other bits & pieces.
Then decided to start dealing with the "bits" of rust.
I chopped out quite a lot of the rust and then realised if I carried on there wasnt going to be enough car left to keep the running gear attached.
Sold it to the local scrappy for £25. ;D
They could be made to handle really nicely and produce a reasonable amount of power though. Definitely quick enough to have fun in.
This would do nicely. :)
https://car-from-uk.com/sale.php?id=99686
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Never had any Rootes group vehicle but always fancied a Sunbeam Tiger as a "toy" for nice Sunday afternoon drives.
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Never had any Rootes group vehicle but always fancied a Sunbeam Tiger as a "toy" for nice Sunday afternoon drives.
Then you would be better off with the far less compromised Alpine that it's based on. Far cheaper too.
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Never had any Rootes group vehicle but always fancied a Sunbeam Tiger as a "toy" for nice Sunday afternoon drives.
Then you would be better off with the far less compromised Alpine that it's based on. Far cheaper too.
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No definitely not, fine if you're a ladies hairdresser it would have to be the V8 for me.
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Never had any Rootes group vehicle but always fancied a Sunbeam Tiger as a "toy" for nice Sunday afternoon drives.
Then you would be better off with the far less compromised Alpine that it's based on. Far cheaper too.
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No definitely not, fine if you're a ladies hairdresser it would have to be the V8 for me.
Except:
it doesn't really fit in the engine bay(you have to change the back two plugs from inside the car
it doesn't fit around the steering box, so they cobbled in a rack whose main attribute is that the geometry is so bad barely turn the wheels.
if it's still stock, the 260ci engine straight out of the Ford Falcon is best described as pathetic. The gearbox isn't very nice to use either.
how many times on your 'nice Sunday afternoon drives' are you likely to use the whole 90hp of the Alpine, or engage the overdrive?
They are very expensive compared to an Alpine, for very little real gain. Which was also true when they were new, which is why they are rare.
And of course they're built from a fifties body design, so rot is a problem, and bad repairs on an already weak bodyshell have been common for over four decades....
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You're getting boring now it's a pipe dream no more no less.
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You're getting boring now it's a pipe dream no more no less.
;D ;D ;D ;D
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You're getting boring now it's a pipe dream no more no less.
Yeah. I wouldn't mind footling around the local park on a penny farthing, would certainly make people sit up and look.
But I realise it would be hard to find a good one, uncomfortable as fûck and I probably wouldn't be able to get on it in the first place. So.....it ain't gonna happen, but I still like the idea of it.
Anyone got a top hat and tails I could borrow, just in case? ;D
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I would like another Avenger ,but like everything else old, they are very expensive if they have survived the tinworm which ruined almost all cars of that era.
How many people own a Hillman in 2022....Not many.
How many young people have even heard the name?
I believe that until fairly recently the Hillman Hunter was still manufactured in Iran, so I'd imagine there are still a few going round there. :)
Hunter GLS with the 1725 Holbay engine. Sounds promising but not sure about the reality. :y
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Never had any Rootes group vehicle but always fancied a Sunbeam Tiger as a "toy" for nice Sunday afternoon drives.
Then you would be better off with the far less compromised Alpine that it's based on. Far cheaper too.
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No definitely not, fine if you're a ladies hairdresser it would have to be the V8 for me.
Except:
it doesn't really fit in the engine bay(you have to change the back two plugs from inside the car
it doesn't fit around the steering box, so they cobbled in a rack whose main attribute is that the geometry is so bad barely turn the wheels.
if it's still stock, the 260ci engine straight out of the Ford Falcon is best described as pathetic. The gearbox isn't very nice to use either.
how many times on your 'nice Sunday afternoon drives' are you likely to use the whole 90hp of the Alpine, or engage the overdrive?
They are very expensive compared to an Alpine, for very little real gain. Which was also true when they were new, which is why they are rare.
And of course they're built from a fifties body design, so rot is a problem, and bad repairs on an already weak bodyshell have been common for over four decades....
The later 289 4.7 litre lump should be better. Detuned Cobra lump, I think.
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The later 289 4.7 litre lump should be better. Detuned Cobra lump, I think.
That's better in the way that a 1300 crossflow is better than an 1100.
They used the basic, off the shelf Ford V8 that was always intended for boring everyday cars and trucks. There's nothing special, let alone magical, about these things.
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The later 289 4.7 litre lump should be better. Detuned Cobra lump, I think.
That's better in the way that a 1300 crossflow is better than an 1100.
They used the basic, off the shelf Ford V8 that was always intended for boring everyday cars and trucks. There's nothing special, let alone magical, about these things.
I've heard big Yank lumps described as 'crude but effective'
No replacement for displacement. :)
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Apparently the V6 Ecoboost is reasonably effective with a couple of minor mods...
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Had a 1500cc Hunter saloon in fetching metallic bronze, which hid the rust to a certain degree. I also had a 1750cc estate in flame red as a load lugger. Quite liked them TBF. :y
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Had a 1500cc Hunter saloon in fetching metallic bronze, which hid the rust to a certain degree. I also had a 1750cc estate in flame red as a load lugger. Quite liked them TBF. :y
Hunter is a great car name, like Interceptor. :y
Kitten and Imp......not so much. ;D
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A 1996 two owner Escort Cosworth with just 217 miles on it has sold for a record £149,995 :o
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A 1996 two owner Escort Cosworth with just 217 miles on it has sold for a record £149,995 :o
That is insane. I mean how many 18 years olds who wear their baseball caps the wrong way round have £150,000, as they are the only people who will be seen in one. ::) ::)
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A 1996 two owner Escort Cosworth with just 217 miles on it has sold for a record £149,995 :o
That is insane. I mean how many 18 years olds who wear their baseball caps the wrong way round have £150,000, as they are the only people who will be seen in one. ::) ::)
I think you're out by a factor of 2. It's the people who were 18 when the cars were new that will be interested in them now.
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A 1996 two owner Escort Cosworth with just 217 miles on it has sold for a record £149,995 :o
That is insane. I mean how many 18 years olds who wear their baseball caps the wrong way round have £150,000, as they are the only people who will be seen in one. ::) ::)
I think you're out by a factor of 2. It's the people who were 18 when the cars were new that will be interested in them now.
You may have a point. :)
I always wanted a TR6. I still want a TR6........but the youth of today wouldn't be seen dead in one...... 99% won't even know what a TR6 is. :D
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I assure you you will be very disappointed if you buy one. They really are crap cars in just about every way. ;)
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I assure you you will be very disappointed if you buy one. They really are crap cars in just about every way. ;)
That's from a Renault and Porsche owner.
Conclusive proof he knows about crap cars ;D
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I assure you you will be very disappointed if you buy one. They really are crap cars in just about every way. ;)
I've not driven or even sat in one. It would probably feel slow and vintage in 2022 with the steering wheel close to the drivers chest.
I just like the the looks and the sound they make.
8.5 seconds to sixty was pretty potent in 1969 so it should be able to stick with modern traffic. Anyway, I can't afford one. :-X
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I have driven a couple of standard road cars and a competition version which had a hell of lot of money spent on it.
They were all hideous things to drive, and a new bog standard average hatchback would leave one for dead on any road you care to choose.
I would take the 8.5 to 60 with a very large pinch of salt by the way. ;)
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I have driven a couple of standard road cars and a competition version which had a hell of lot of money spent on it.
They were all hideous things to drive, and a new bog standard average hatchback would leave one for dead on any road you care to choose.
I would take the 8.5 to 60 with a very large pinch of salt by the way. ;)
You should take any posted 0-60 time with a pinch of salt, because nobody is going to match those with their own car. Or any car they might have to pay for.
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I agree, but the claimed 0-60 of the TR6 stretches credibility as much as Fords claimed power output figures for the Essex V6 did.
A figment of some marketing mans imagination.
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I agree, but the claimed 0-60 of the TR6 stretches credibility as much as Fords claimed power output figures for the Essex V6 did.
A figment of some marketing mans imagination.
Don't you mean noise and heat output? I didn't realise they had any power output! ;D
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Sorry, my mistake. ;D
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I agree, but the claimed 0-60 of the TR6 stretches credibility as much as Fords claimed power output figures for the Essex V6 did.
A figment of some marketing mans imagination.
Well.
Motor magazine managed 8.5 seconds in 1969. Autocar recorded 8.2 in the same year.
By modern standards the TR6 is small and relatively light. The early models had a 'claimed' 150 BHP from the 2.5 straight six.
Maybe time was measured more slowly back then. 8) ::)
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I believe that until fairly recently the Hillman Hunter was still manufactured in Iran, so I'd imagine there are still a few going round there.
That is correct! When I was there they were/are called Paycans with no light clusters back or front fitted!! :o :o
I believe they bought the old tooling from Rootes back in the 70's when the Shah was in power.
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I think they replaced it with the Pug 405 :-\
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I think they replaced it with the Pug 405 :-\
Which is a direct descendent of the Hunter.