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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Lizzie Zoom on 11 January 2022, 14:58:16
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So now Boris is accused of being involved in an alleged gathering on 20 May 2020 at Downing Street, during the then lockdown, for drinks in the garden, with 100 being invited, but 40 turning up.
So Boris is on the back foot again! May this be his last strike, that a lot of Conservative MP's have been on about since the first "scandal" that of course he has denied, and has to go?
How much more stupidity can this bumbler be involved in before he does go? ::) ::) >:(
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Just when you think it can't get any worse, how on earth did they think it would go unnoticed ?
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Just when you think it can't get any worse, how on earth did they think it would go unnoticed ?
Yep, is Boris and his gang that pompous? ::) ::)
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Just when you think it can't get any worse, how on earth did they think it would go unnoticed ?
Well.... Apparently it did go unnoticed for 18 months or so. ::)
So for me the big question is how did a hundred invitations to a knees up at No 10 during the first hard lockdown in May 2020, slip the attention of the big political 'journalists' like Laura Kuenssberg and Robert Peston? ???
Either they were invited and went to the party or they are crap at their jobs! ;D
But what is interesting is how the news is being leaked in drips and drabs just when smearing the government might be most effective. By-elections or vital moments in the negotiations with the EU for example. :-X
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People with this info will release it at a time most beneficial to them... ...which is rarely a good time for those accused. Thats always happened. And is normally best to ignore...
...but there has been a non stop series of similar stories, each time Boris has either outright denied or refused to answer. He's now a lame duck, trying to appease his backbenchers who control how long he can survive.
The tories have done their dozen or so years in power, after which time they self implode.
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People with this info will release it at a time most beneficial to them... ...which is rarely a good time for those accused. Thats always happened. And is normally best to ignore...
...but there has been a non stop series of similar stories, each time Boris has either outright denied or refused to answer. He's now a lame duck, trying to appease his backbenchers who control how long he can survive.
The tories have done their dozen or so years in power, after which time they self implode.
I think before long the knives will come out for Boris and they will install a new leader to steady the ship, before going on to win the next election.
Everybody seems to think a leadership contest will be between Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak, but I wouldn't mind betting someone else no ones thought of will come in from the left field to steal the crown. :)
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People with this info will release it at a time most beneficial to them... ...which is rarely a good time for those accused. Thats always happened. And is normally best to ignore...
...but there has been a non stop series of similar stories, each time Boris has either outright denied or refused to answer. He's now a lame duck, trying to appease his backbenchers who control how long he can survive.
The tories have done their dozen or so years in power, after which time they self implode.
I think before long the knives will come out for Boris and they will install a new leader to steady the ship, before going on to win the next election.
Everybody seems to think a leadership contest will be between Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak, but I wouldn't mind betting someone else no ones thought of will come in from the left field to steal the crown. :)
I'm getting a feeling that people are thinking the Tories have gone back to the early 90s sleaze days. So I wouldn't bet on them winning a GE.
My next vote will likely be tactical to remove that useless piece of self centred nothingness, Ms Leadsom, who seems more in tune with London needs than that of her constituents. Tactical, because this area is stauch Blue.
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People with this info will release it at a time most beneficial to them... ...which is rarely a good time for those accused. Thats always happened. And is normally best to ignore...
...but there has been a non stop series of similar stories, each time Boris has either outright denied or refused to answer. He's now a lame duck, trying to appease his backbenchers who control how long he can survive.
The tories have done their dozen or so years in power, after which time they self implode.
I think before long the knives will come out for Boris and they will install a new leader to steady the ship, before going on to win the next election.
Everybody seems to think a leadership contest will be between Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak, but I wouldn't mind betting someone else no ones thought of will come in from the left field to steal the crown. :)
I'm getting a feeling that people are thinking the Tories have gone back to the early 90s sleaze days. So I wouldn't bet on them winning a GE.
My next vote will likely be tactical to remove that useless piece of self centred nothingness, Ms Leadsom, who seems more in tune with London needs than that of her constituents. Tactical, because this area is stauch Blue.
I would! :y
Labour are nowhere near winning an election and I'd compare them to Kinnocks era where they are desperately trying to shake off the loony lefties. Their Blair type figure who will firmly take Labour back into the centre ground hasn't emerged yet.
Sir Starmer's recent patriotic act was very unconvincing and I think any decent Tory campaign manager will attack Labour for being soft with the EU and will accuse them of wanting to unravel Brexit and do deals with the SNP, which unless they can convincingly win middle England they will have to do to get the keys to No 10.
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Round here, a tactical vote wouldn't be for Labour. Or LibDems.
Since 2015, the Conservatives have had the backing of the very vocal Brexiteers, which they can no longer fall back on. And nobody wants to get too close to a turd.
They may be able to replace Boris with somebody, but nobody is really standing out as being a vote winner. Although that's entirely irrelevant for me, unless Ms Leadsom decides not try to retain her seat.
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People with this info will release it at a time most beneficial to them... ...which is rarely a good time for those accused. Thats always happened. And is normally best to ignore...
...but there has been a non stop series of similar stories, each time Boris has either outright denied or refused to answer. He's now a lame duck, trying to appease his backbenchers who control how long he can survive.
The tories have done their dozen or so years in power, after which time they self implode.
I think before long the knives will come out for Boris and they will install a new leader to steady the ship, before going on to win the next election.
Everybody seems to think a leadership contest will be between Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak, but I wouldn't mind betting someone else no ones thought of will come in from the left field to steal the crown. :)
I'm getting a feeling that people are thinking the Tories have gone back to the early 90s sleaze days. So I wouldn't bet on them winning a GE.
My next vote will likely be tactical to remove that useless piece of self centred nothingness, Ms Leadsom, who seems more in tune with London needs than that of her constituents. Tactical, because this area is stauch Blue.
I would! :y
Labour are nowhere near winning an election and I'd compare them to Kinnocks era where they are desperately trying to shake off the loony lefties. Their Blair type figure who will firmly take Labour back into the centre ground hasn't emerged yet.
Sir Starmer's recent patriotic act was very unconvincing and I think any decent Tory campaign manager will attack Labour for being soft with the EU and will accuse them of wanting to unravel Brexit and do deals with the SNP, which unless they can convincingly win middle England they will have to do to get the keys to No 10.
But trust is a key word when people are deciding what party to vote for and I'm afraid, from my point of view, Boris has blown that over the last 12 months at least. Now I do not want a Labour Government, but the hundreds of thousands of past supporters of that party trusted the Tories with their "leveling up" promise, and often stated they could no longer trust "their" traditional party. With Boris so publicly lying, giving out falsehoods, and generally misleading so many on various issues, along with his habit of bumbling along, there must be a strong danger of a big change of politically direction come the next general election. :( :(
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Labour keep making hollow noises about Boris must go etc but deep down they are desperate for him to continue his buffoonery and lies , if he's replaced with someone with competence and credibility ( I know - that's stretching it a bit ) they'll never win an election .
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Labour keep making hollow noises about Boris must go etc but deep down they are desperate for him to continue his buffoonery and lies , if he's replaced with someone with competence and credibility ( I know - that's stretching it a bit ) they'll never win an election .
Yes, that could be very true! :y :y
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Round here, a tactical vote wouldn't be for Labour. Or LibDems.
Since 2015, the Conservatives have had the backing of the very vocal Brexiteers, which they can no longer fall back on. And nobody wants to get too close to a turd.
They may be able to replace Boris with somebody, but nobody is really standing out as being a vote winner. Although that's entirely irrelevant for me, unless Ms Leadsom decides not try to retain her seat.
Oh I think you're very wrong there. At the next election Brexit will become a major issue again especially if Sir Starmer is still the leader of the Labour party. The Tories will (or should) relentlessly remind the public that Starmer led the campaign for a second referendum to abandon Brexit and can't be trusted with our relations with the EU.
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Labour keep making hollow noises about Boris must go etc but deep down they are desperate for him to continue his buffoonery and lies , if he's replaced with someone with competence and credibility ( I know - that's stretching it a bit ) they'll never win an election .
Which is why the knives will come out for Boris at some point. ;)
The Tories are always utterly ruthless when a leader becomes a liability. ::)
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Labour keep making hollow noises about Boris must go etc but deep down they are desperate for him to continue his buffoonery and lies , if he's replaced with someone with competence and credibility ( I know - that's stretching it a bit ) they'll never win an election .
Which is why the knives will come out for Boris at some point. ;)
The Tories are always utterly ruthless when a leader becomes a liability. ::)
They are out already! ;D ;D ;)
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People with this info will release it at a time most beneficial to them... ...which is rarely a good time for those accused. Thats always happened. And is normally best to ignore...
...but there has been a non stop series of similar stories, each time Boris has either outright denied or refused to answer. He's now a lame duck, trying to appease his backbenchers who control how long he can survive.
The tories have done their dozen or so years in power, after which time they self implode.
I think before long the knives will come out for Boris and they will install a new leader to steady the ship, before going on to win the next election.
Everybody seems to think a leadership contest will be between Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak, but I wouldn't mind betting someone else no ones thought of will come in from the left field to steal the crown. :)
I'm getting a feeling that people are thinking the Tories have gone back to the early 90s sleaze days. So I wouldn't bet on them winning a GE.
My next vote will likely be tactical to remove that useless piece of self centred nothingness, Ms Leadsom, who seems more in tune with London needs than that of her constituents. Tactical, because this area is stauch Blue.
I would! :y
Labour are nowhere near winning an election and I'd compare them to Kinnocks era where they are desperately trying to shake off the loony lefties. Their Blair type figure who will firmly take Labour back into the centre ground hasn't emerged yet.
Sir Starmer's recent patriotic act was very unconvincing and I think any decent Tory campaign manager will attack Labour for being soft with the EU and will accuse them of wanting to unravel Brexit and do deals with the SNP, which unless they can convincingly win middle England they will have to do to get the keys to No 10.
Bunter has also pissed off the 'red wall' of ex Labour voters.
There is a couple of years before the next election so Boris (or a new leader)may have time to sort things out.
Proper clown though. :-X
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People with this info will release it at a time most beneficial to them... ...which is rarely a good time for those accused. Thats always happened. And is normally best to ignore...
...but there has been a non stop series of similar stories, each time Boris has either outright denied or refused to answer. He's now a lame duck, trying to appease his backbenchers who control how long he can survive.
The tories have done their dozen or so years in power, after which time they self implode.
I think before long the knives will come out for Boris and they will install a new leader to steady the ship, before going on to win the next election.
Everybody seems to think a leadership contest will be between Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak, but I wouldn't mind betting someone else no ones thought of will come in from the left field to steal the crown. :)
I'm getting a feeling that people are thinking the Tories have gone back to the early 90s sleaze days. So I wouldn't bet on them winning a GE.
My next vote will likely be tactical to remove that useless piece of self centred nothingness, Ms Leadsom, who seems more in tune with London needs than that of her constituents. Tactical, because this area is stauch Blue.
I would! :y
Labour are nowhere near winning an election and I'd compare them to Kinnocks era where they are desperately trying to shake off the loony lefties. Their Blair type figure who will firmly take Labour back into the centre ground hasn't emerged yet.
Sir Starmer's recent patriotic act was very unconvincing and I think any decent Tory campaign manager will attack Labour for being soft with the EU and will accuse them of wanting to unravel Brexit and do deals with the SNP, which unless they can convincingly win middle England they will have to do to get the keys to No 10.
Bunter has also pissed off the 'red wall' of ex Labour voters.
There is a couple of years before the next election so Boris (or a new leader)may have time to sort things out.
Proper clown though. :-X ;)
I said as much in my post #9 :D ;)
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People with this info will release it at a time most beneficial to them... ...which is rarely a good time for those accused. Thats always happened. And is normally best to ignore...
...but there has been a non stop series of similar stories, each time Boris has either outright denied or refused to answer. He's now a lame duck, trying to appease his backbenchers who control how long he can survive.
The tories have done their dozen or so years in power, after which time they self implode.
I think before long the knives will come out for Boris and they will install a new leader to steady the ship, before going on to win the next election.
Everybody seems to think a leadership contest will be between Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak, but I wouldn't mind betting someone else no ones thought of will come in from the left field to steal the crown. :)
I'm getting a feeling that people are thinking the Tories have gone back to the early 90s sleaze days. So I wouldn't bet on them winning a GE.
My next vote will likely be tactical to remove that useless piece of self centred nothingness, Ms Leadsom, who seems more in tune with London needs than that of her constituents. Tactical, because this area is stauch Blue.
I would! :y
Labour are nowhere near winning an election and I'd compare them to Kinnocks era where they are desperately trying to shake off the loony lefties. Their Blair type figure who will firmly take Labour back into the centre ground hasn't emerged yet.
Sir Starmer's recent patriotic act was very unconvincing and I think any decent Tory campaign manager will attack Labour for being soft with the EU and will accuse them of wanting to unravel Brexit and do deals with the SNP, which unless they can convincingly win middle England they will have to do to get the keys to No 10.
Bunter has also pissed off the 'red wall' of ex Labour voters.
There is a couple of years before the next election so Boris (or a new leader)may have time to sort things out.
Proper clown though. :-X
Enough for them to go back to a Labour party that would be seen as soft with the EU or might have to do a deal with the SNP to form a government? :-\
Also we shouldn't discount the fact that as Boris Johnson's Tories have shifted to the left with their big state, tax rises and expensive green policies, they have left a vacuum to the right that could be exploited by a party like Reform, like UKIP did a decade ago.
I think any party that challenges the lunacy of the uncosted Net Zero policy that nobody voted for, for example, could gain some traction. They might not win an election or even any seats, but could influence the Tories if they saw support ebbing to the right as happened with Farage's UKIP. ::)
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The US mid terms will have an effect on the next Presidency, and therefore the global stage, so could affect how things pan out here... Once all the TCV bullshyte is finally behind us.
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The US mid terms will have an effect on the next Presidency, and therefore the global stage, so could affect how things pan out here... Once all the TCV bullshyte is finally behind us.
Yeh if Trumpy makes a comeback in '24 we can't have a PM who sucked up to Sleepy Joe! ;D
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Here we go ;D ;D ;D ;D
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The US mid terms will have an effect on the next Presidency, and therefore the global stage, so could affect how things pan out here... Once all the TCV bullshyte is finally behind us.
Yeh if Trumpy makes a comeback in '24 we can't have a PM who sucked up to Sleepy Joe! ;D
Sippy Cup surely. ;)
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Its plain to see he is an idiot, but the big question is, whom could / should we replace him with ?
Does it really matter ?
Many of us want something akin to a reincarnation of Thatcher, but there is no-one of that ilk on the horizon.
If Liz Truss thinks posing atop a tank will fool us all she is more stupid than I thought she was.
As for dishy Rishi - he is the man who has sqaundered countless billions and is now going to tax us until the pips squeak to pay for it.
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Gove will probably get another shot at it.
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A poll of Tory party members recentlly put Sunak up there with Boris.
The other contenders were all just also rans.
Don’t forget people have very very short memories. When it kicks off in Ukraine, Boris no doubt will score points.
I too would love to know who is drip feeding these revelations to the media. Rishi? The glasses trip man ( Cummings)?
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He has just stood up in the Commons and issued an apology.
By rights he should now be a lame duck living on borrowed time. However, the thing that might possibly save him is the fact that the opposition are utterly useless.
We shall see. :-\
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He has just stood up in the Commons and issued an apology.
By rights he should now be a lame duck living on borrowed time. However, the thing that might possibly save him is the fact that the opposition are utterly useless.
We shall see. :-\
Regardless of how inept and untrustworthy Boris is (and he is) I couldn't bring myself to vote for a man who wants a female James Bond and is unaware that only a woman has a cervix. ::)
Starmer would be out of his depth as soon as he learns that being PM involves more than merely counting paper clips and kneeling for BLM.
So if things stay as they are we have the choice between Dumb and Dumber a couple of years from now. :-\ :-\ :-X
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Gove will probably get another shot at it.
Mr Slithery.
Would you buy a used car from this man? :D ;D
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Gove will probably get another shot at it.
Mr Slithery.
Would you buy a used car from this man? :D ;D
He's been keeping his head down recently as well. ::)
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Gove will probably get another shot at it.
Mr Slithery.
Would you buy a used car from this man? :D ;D
He's been keeping his head down recently as well. ::)
Perhaps Theresa should have a second bite of the cherry........ :) ;) :D ;D ::)
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Gove's cherry? ;D
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Round here, a tactical vote wouldn't be for Labour. Or LibDems.
Since 2015, the Conservatives have had the backing of the very vocal Brexiteers, which they can no longer fall back on. And nobody wants to get too close to a turd.
They may be able to replace Boris with somebody, but nobody is really standing out as being a vote winner. Although that's entirely irrelevant for me, unless Ms Leadsom decides not try to retain her seat.
Oh I think you're very wrong there. At the next election Brexit will become a major issue again especially if Sir Starmer is still the leader of the Labour party. The Tories will (or should) relentlessly remind the public that Starmer led the campaign for a second referendum to abandon Brexit and can't be trusted with our relations with the EU.
Nah, Brexit is done. Incompetently badly ("Ready Made Deal" my arse, much like the £300m a week to the NHS as promised by Farage and Boris). But done. Dusted. T-shirts and all.
Any decision to rejoin would be another referendum as I understand it - though obviously that could go either way,
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Round here, a tactical vote wouldn't be for Labour. Or LibDems.
Since 2015, the Conservatives have had the backing of the very vocal Brexiteers, which they can no longer fall back on. And nobody wants to get too close to a turd.
They may be able to replace Boris with somebody, but nobody is really standing out as being a vote winner. Although that's entirely irrelevant for me, unless Ms Leadsom decides not try to retain her seat.
Oh I think you're very wrong there. At the next election Brexit will become a major issue again especially if Sir Starmer is still the leader of the Labour party. The Tories will (or should) relentlessly remind the public that Starmer led the campaign for a second referendum to abandon Brexit and can't be trusted with our relations with the EU.
Nah, Brexit is done. Incompetently badly ("Ready Made Deal" my arse, much like the £300m a week to the NHS as promised by Farage and Boris). But done. Dusted. T-shirts and all.
Any decision to rejoin would be another referendum as I understand it - though obviously that could go either way,
Keep up. ::) Its actually been given more than that. Apparently its still chronically underfunded and understaffed though. ::)
https://inews.co.uk/news/health/nhs-extra-funding-announcement-explained-questions-answers-166058
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Round here, a tactical vote wouldn't be for Labour. Or LibDems.
Since 2015, the Conservatives have had the backing of the very vocal Brexiteers, which they can no longer fall back on. And nobody wants to get too close to a turd.
They may be able to replace Boris with somebody, but nobody is really standing out as being a vote winner. Although that's entirely irrelevant for me, unless Ms Leadsom decides not try to retain her seat.
Oh I think you're very wrong there. At the next election Brexit will become a major issue again especially if Sir Starmer is still the leader of the Labour party. The Tories will (or should) relentlessly remind the public that Starmer led the campaign for a second referendum to abandon Brexit and can't be trusted with our relations with the EU.
Nah, Brexit is done. Incompetently badly ("Ready Made Deal" my arse, much like the £300m a week to the NHS as promised by Farage and Boris). But done. Dusted. T-shirts and all.
Any decision to rejoin would be another referendum as I understand it - though obviously that could go either way,
Keep up. ::) Its actually been given more than that. Apparently its still chronically underfunded and understaffed though. ::)
https://inews.co.uk/news/health/nhs-extra-funding-announcement-explained-questions-answers-166058
No, no, no, this is the £15bn in new money from leaving the EU, as promised by the Messiah Farage and his glove puppet baffoon, not what had already been promised at some vague point in the future.
Obviously, some were sensible enough to see through it, and Farage has actually outright denied it, but the public is generally stupid.
Not that it matters how much you put into it, you still have overpaid receptionists standing 4 deep around a computer doing sod all. Any extra funding will go into the abyss of more admin staff and more failed "modernisation" that only piss around the periphery of the problems.
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You are wrong in every possible way. The "promise on the bus" which actually was no such thing, was the motto of the official leave campaign, and apparently dreamt up by Dominic Cummings.
Farage and the official Leave campaign had nothing to do with each other. Due in no small part to Farage and Cummings hating each other with a passion, and the Tories (who ran the Leave campaign) also hated Farage, and were terrified of him.
Farage applied to the Electoral Commission to run the official campaign, but the establishment closed ranks and shut him out of it, so he ran his own campaign, completely seperately.
Farage said at the time that it was a stupid slogan, and he wouldnt have touched it with a bargepole.
The fact remains though, that since the referendum NHS funding has increased by more than the figure on the side of the bus.
On the criminal waste of eye watering amounts of money, we are in full agreement. :y
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Well today in the House of Commons, standing at the dispatch box he previously stood at when denying he knew anything about "parties at Downing Street" he now admits he did go into the gathering on the 20th of May .................where allegedly 30-40 people had assembled for a bring your own drinks booze up..........................and Boris did nothing to stop it!!! And he has persistently lied about it all::) ::) ::)
As is now being said today, very strongly now, he HAS to go. He has finally crossed a red live and enough is enough! >:( >:( >:(
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Well I believe him he's said sorry & he didn't realise it was a party easy mistake to make ! 😂😂
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He himself did verbally say all that extra money was for the NHS. And he was fully prepared to stand in front of the bus to make his speeches. He knew exactly what he was doing, and likely knew it would never be delivered, but as he was never going to be PM, it didn't matter to him.
So, his head needs to bounce down into the Thames as well. For being a particularly dislikable, lying little shit.
And not withstanding the cost of the sniffle, due to be clawed back and then some by taxation, no, look at the official NHS budgets... ...the 9000 extra nurses were promised pre referendum, so that doesn't count, not that we can fill those posts anyway.
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He himself did verbally say all that extra money was for the NHS. And he was fully prepared to stand in front of the bus to make his speeches. He knew exactly what he was doing, and likely knew it would never be delivered, but as he was never going to be PM, it didn't matter to him.
So, his head needs to bounce down into the Thames as well. For being a particularly dislikable, lying little shit.
And not withstanding the cost of the sniffle, due to be clawed back and then some by taxation, no, look at the official NHS budgets... ...the 9000 extra nurses were promised pre referendum, so that doesn't count, not that we can fill those posts anyway.
If "He" is Farage, you are completely wrong. He was never within a mile of the bus with the slogan on it. Check it out and come back to me on it if you can find anything to the contrary. ;)
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Well I believe him he's said sorry & he didn't realise it was a party easy mistake to make ! 😂😂
I expect that Boris's idea of a party is definitely not standing around in a garden chatting to work colleagues with a glass of bubbly and some nibbles. ::)
Unless there was copious amounts of alcohol of all types, a variety of illicit drugs and fine gaggle of paid for whores eager to please, along with very loud rock n roll, I doubt it counts as a party! ;D
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Well I believe him he's said sorry & he didn't realise it was a party easy mistake to make ! 😂😂
I expect that Boris's idea of a party is definitely not standing around in a garden chatting to work colleagues with a glass of bubbly and some nibbles. ::)
Unless there was copious amounts of alcohol of all types, a variety of illicit drugs and fine gaggle of paid for whores eager to please, along with very loud rock n roll, I doubt it counts as a party! ;D
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Sounds like you attended same parties as me in the seventies 😂
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Well I believe him he's said sorry & he didn't realise it was a party easy mistake to make ! 😂😂
I expect that Boris's idea of a party is definitely not standing around in a garden chatting to work colleagues with a glass of bubbly and some nibbles. ::)
Unless there was copious amounts of alcohol of all types, a variety of illicit drugs and fine gaggle of paid for whores eager to please, along with very loud rock n roll, I doubt it counts as a party! ;D
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Sounds like you attended same parties as me in the seventies 😂
I would have liked to, but my Mum told me I had to be in bed by 7.00pm every night in the seventies! :D
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Well I believe him he's said sorry & he didn't realise it was a party easy mistake to make ! 😂😂
I expect that Boris's idea of a party is definitely not standing around in a garden chatting to work colleagues with a glass of bubbly and some nibbles. ::)
Unless there was copious amounts of alcohol of all types, a variety of illicit drugs and fine gaggle of paid for whores eager to please, along with very loud rock n roll, I doubt it counts as a party! ;D
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Sounds like you attended same parties as me in the seventies 😂
I would have liked to, but my Mum told me I had to be in bed by 7.00pm every night in the seventies! :D
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I was just told to take a condom & make sure I had clean pants on in case I got hit by a bus.
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Well I believe him he's said sorry & he didn't realise it was a party easy mistake to make ! 😂😂
I expect that Boris's idea of a party is definitely not standing around in a garden chatting to work colleagues with a glass of bubbly and some nibbles. ::)
Unless there was copious amounts of alcohol of all types, a variety of illicit drugs and fine gaggle of paid for whores eager to please, along with very loud rock n roll, I doubt it counts as a party! ;D
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Sounds like you attended same parties as me in the seventies 😂
I would have liked to, but my Mum told me I had to be in bed by 7.00pm every night in the seventies! :D
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I was just told to take a condom & make sure I had clean pants on in case I got hit by a bus.
Wearing a condom inside a pair clean pants sounds a bit kinky to me. ::) ::) ;) :D ;D
...but we need to be prepared at all times in case the chance a nice 'legover' comes our way. :y :y
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Here's a thought for you all. :)
If Brexit had never happened and David Cameron was still our PM in his third term having beat Jeremy Corbyn in the 2020 election, would there have been such a hoohaa had Cameron got caught out attending a party at No10 during lockdown? ???
So is the outrage purely because the PM attended a party which was against the law at the time? Or is there an added hysteria solely because it's Boris Johnson and he is the man who took us out of the EU? ???
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Nope. I believe its because the PM attended the party. Cameron was a lot of things - I couldnt stand him - but I dont believe he would have been stupid enough to have done that.
If he had I think he would now be in a similar position to Boris.
Of course his enemies - including arch remainers will love to put the boot in, but he has brought it on himself.
He will be lucky to be in the job come the summer. I think the Tories will force him out.
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Chinless wonders & backstabbers they're everywhere, most of us have met their types at some time in our lives he played with fire so he will get burnt.
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Obviously Boris is the one with the target on his back,but shouldn't the others who attended the party also go??
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Yep. :y
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So is the outrage purely because the PM attended a party which was against the law at the time? Or is there an added hysteria solely because it's Boris Johnson and he is the man who took us out of the EU? ???
I get a distinct feeling, the anger is coming from the fact he stood up on national TV spurting a load of very significant restrictions, yet somehow they didn't apply to him and his mates.
I don't think it would matter what the history, or how good a leader he was.
And he will never be looked at as a great leader, because he has lost that most critical requirements, integrity. And that is why he really has to go. He cannot run a country when the entire populous knows he is an elitist liar, and he can not negotiate with his foreign counterparts, because they all know he is an elitist liar. And the longer this goes on, the UK becomes even more of a laughing stock.
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Laughing stock?
Plenty of countries near Britain have their own scandals etc. they dont get widely reported as the UK is obsessed with English speaking countries ie the USA.
Austria “ Austria's Chancellor Sebastian Kurz has stepped down, after pressure triggered by a corruption scandal.
He has proposed Foreign Minister Alexander Schallenberg as his replacement.
Mr Kurz and nine others were placed under investigation after raids at a number of locations linked to his conservative People's Party (ÖVP).“
Sweden’s pm employing an illegal cleaner.
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Laughing stock?
Plenty of countries near Britain have their own scandals etc. they dont get widely reported as the UK is obsessed with English speaking countries ie the USA.
Austria “ Austria's Chancellor Sebastian Kurz has stepped down, after pressure triggered by a corruption scandal.
He has proposed Foreign Minister Alexander Schallenberg as his replacement.
Mr Kurz and nine others were placed under investigation after raids at a number of locations linked to his conservative People's Party (ÖVP).“
Sweden’s pm employing an illegal cleaner.
Ah, but Varche we ARE BRITISH, and do not expect our leaders to be so deceitful, lying, groping, false, cheating bastards..............don't know why as so many have been in our magnificent history! ;D ;D ;)
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Yes there's plenty of shenanigans with leaders on the continent, but we rarely get to hear about it from the corrupt British media because they want us to think everything is rosy over the channel! ;)
Finland's PM recently got caught, out on the lash in a nightclub at 3.00am.
Ex French President Nicholas Sarkozy was convicted and sentenced to 3 years in jail for corruption.
Remember Italy's Silvio Berlusconi and his 'Bunga Bunga' parties?
Angela Merkel was probably too clever to get caught!
Then there's the EU.
Ursula Von der Layonherback was under investigation in Germany for awarding expensive contracts to consultants in her former job as Germany's Defence Minister.
Josep Borrell Fontelles the EU's High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy has a conviction for insider trading.
Christine Lagarde the President of the ECB has a conviction for corruption.
Jean Claude Juncker usually looked like he was pissed after lunch and was nicknamed Jean Claude Drunker.
Charles Michel the current President of the European Council was handed his job after losing his last job as PM of Belgium when he lost a vote of no confidence.
Had Britain stayed in the EU, Boris would have been in good company at Berlaymont and would have made a fine President of the EU Commission! :y ;D
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More party revelations. ::)
Allegedly there were two separate leaving do's at 10 Downing St on the night before Prince Phillip's funeral. When the flags were at half mast.
At some point the two knees up's merged, someone got sent out with a suitcase to the Coop on The Strand on a booze run, and the party spilled out into the garden where someone tried out Wilf Johnson's swing and broke it!
Apparently Boris Johnson was at Chequers.
The hysterical outrage will continue! :D
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Yes there's plenty of shenanigans with leaders on the continent, but we rarely get to hear about it from the corrupt British media because they want us to think everything is rosy over the channel! ;)
Finland's PM recently got caught, out on the lash in a nightclub at 3.00am.
Ex French President Nicholas Sarkozy was convicted and sentenced to 3 years in jail for corruption.
Remember Italy's Silvio Berlusconi and his 'Bunga Bunga' parties?
Angela Merkel was probably too clever to get caught!
Then there's the EU.
Ursula Von der Layonherback was under investigation in Germany for awarding expensive contracts to consultants in her former job as Germany's Defence Minister.
Josep Borrell Fontelles the EU's High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy has a conviction for insider trading.
Christine Lagarde the President of the ECB has a conviction for corruption.
Jean Claude Juncker usually looked like he was pissed after lunch and was nicknamed Jean Claude Drunker.
Charles Michel the current President of the European Council was handed his job after losing his last job as PM of Belgium when he lost a vote of no confidence.
Had Britain stayed in the EU, Boris would have been in good company at Berlaymont and would have made a fine President of the EU Commission! :y ;D
She is gorgeous so I forgive her... :-* :-* :-*
He is/was always three sheets to the wind. ;D ;D
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Now Tory MP Christian Wakeford has defected to the Labour Party and called on Boris Johnson to quit as prime minister. He crossed the House.
Another veteran Tory MP quoted the old request to Chamberlain in 1940 towards Boris in the House: "In the name of God, go!"
All they need now is the 54 letters in to the 1922 Committee! :D ;)
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It looks like Bunter is getting rid of masks before his political demise.....
Every cloud. :y
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Now Tory MP Christian Wakeford has defected to the Labour Party and called on Boris Johnson to quit as prime minister. He crossed the House.
Another veteran Tory MP quoted the old request to Chamberlain in 1940 towards Boris in the House: "In the name of God, go!"
All they need now is the 54 letters in to the 1922 Committee! :D ;)
If he survives, Boris should use his majority to change the law so that MP's cannot just change party and stay on as an MP.
The people of Bury South elected a Tory MP and Christian Wakeford should resign and stand for the Labour Party in the by election if he wants to be a Labour MP.
That's assuming the Labour Party would select him as a candidate! :D
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If he survives, Boris should use his majority to change the law so that MP's cannot just change party and stay on as an MP.
You honestly think Boris stands any chance of getting anything controversial through parliament at the moment?
The people of Bury South elected a Tory MP and Christian Wakeford should resign and stand for the Labour Party in the by election if he wants to be a Labour MP.
They didn't. They elected Christian Wakeford, for a 5 year term. If they want to change their minds, they'll get a chance in 2 years time. I'll quote Churchill....
The first duty of a member of Parliament is to do what he thinks in his faithful and disinterested judgement is right and necessary for the honour and safety of Great Britain. His second duty is to his constituents, of whom he is the representative but not the delegate. Burke's famous declaration on this subject is well known. It is only in the third place that his duty to party organization or programme takes rank. All these three loyalties should be observed, but there in no doubt of the order in which they stand under any healthy manifestation of democracy."
So, to paraphrase, Country first, Constituents second, Party third.
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If he survives, Boris should use his majority to change the law so that MP's cannot just change party and stay on as an MP.
You honestly think Boris stands any chance of getting anything controversial through parliament at the moment?
The people of Bury South elected a Tory MP and Christian Wakeford should resign and stand for the Labour Party in the by election if he wants to be a Labour MP.
They didn't. They elected Christian Wakeford, for a 5 year term. If they want to change their minds, they'll get a chance in 2 years time. I'll quote Churchill....
The first duty of a member of Parliament is to do what he thinks in his faithful and disinterested judgement is right and necessary for the honour and safety of Great Britain. His second duty is to his constituents, of whom he is the representative but not the delegate. Burke's famous declaration on this subject is well known. It is only in the third place that his duty to party organization or programme takes rank. All these three loyalties should be observed, but there in no doubt of the order in which they stand under any healthy manifestation of democracy."
So, to paraphrase, Country first, Constituents second, Party third.
So you think that if Christian Wakeford had stood as a Labour candidate he'd have got elected? ???
It's possible seeing as he has a slim majority of 400 or so votes, but he has been a Tory councillor for years....
I voted for Chris Loder as my MP because he was the Tory candidate and he wouldn't have got my vote if he'd been the Labour, LibDem or Monster Raving Loony candidate. :P
Be interesting at the next election if Labour allow him to stand as their candidate. His defection is proving controversial with the Labour faithful! ;)
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If he survives, Boris should use his majority to change the law so that MP's cannot just change party and stay on as an MP.
You honestly think Boris stands any chance of getting anything controversial through parliament at the moment?
The people of Bury South elected a Tory MP and Christian Wakeford should resign and stand for the Labour Party in the by election if he wants to be a Labour MP.
They didn't. They elected Christian Wakeford, for a 5 year term. If they want to change their minds, they'll get a chance in 2 years time. I'll quote Churchill....
The first duty of a member of Parliament is to do what he thinks in his faithful and disinterested judgement is right and necessary for the honour and safety of Great Britain. His second duty is to his constituents, of whom he is the representative but not the delegate. Burke's famous declaration on this subject is well known. It is only in the third place that his duty to party organization or programme takes rank. All these three loyalties should be observed, but there in no doubt of the order in which they stand under any healthy manifestation of democracy."
So, to paraphrase, Country first, Constituents second, Party third.
Yep, Churchill crossed the House and Party twice to follow his convictions :y :y
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If he survives, Boris should use his majority to change the law so that MP's cannot just change party and stay on as an MP.
You honestly think Boris stands any chance of getting anything controversial through parliament at the moment?
The people of Bury South elected a Tory MP and Christian Wakeford should resign and stand for the Labour Party in the by election if he wants to be a Labour MP.
They didn't. They elected Christian Wakeford, for a 5 year term. If they want to change their minds, they'll get a chance in 2 years time. I'll quote Churchill....
The first duty of a member of Parliament is to do what he thinks in his faithful and disinterested judgement is right and necessary for the honour and safety of Great Britain. His second duty is to his constituents, of whom he is the representative but not the delegate. Burke's famous declaration on this subject is well known. It is only in the third place that his duty to party organization or programme takes rank. All these three loyalties should be observed, but there in no doubt of the order in which they stand under any healthy manifestation of democracy."
So, to paraphrase, Country first, Constituents second, Party third.
Yep, Churchill crossed the House and Party twice to follow his convictions :y :y
What was he convicted of?
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If he survives, Boris should use his majority to change the law so that MP's cannot just change party and stay on as an MP.
You honestly think Boris stands any chance of getting anything controversial through parliament at the moment?
The people of Bury South elected a Tory MP and Christian Wakeford should resign and stand for the Labour Party in the by election if he wants to be a Labour MP.
They didn't. They elected Christian Wakeford, for a 5 year term. If they want to change their minds, they'll get a chance in 2 years time. I'll quote Churchill....
The first duty of a member of Parliament is to do what he thinks in his faithful and disinterested judgement is right and necessary for the honour and safety of Great Britain. His second duty is to his constituents, of whom he is the representative but not the delegate. Burke's famous declaration on this subject is well known. It is only in the third place that his duty to party organization or programme takes rank. All these three loyalties should be observed, but there in no doubt of the order in which they stand under any healthy manifestation of democracy."
So, to paraphrase, Country first, Constituents second, Party third.
Yep, Churchill crossed the House and Party twice to follow his convictions :y :y
Maybe he didn't have any convictions and just went where the wind blew him! ;D
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If he survives, Boris should use his majority to change the law so that MP's cannot just change party and stay on as an MP.
You honestly think Boris stands any chance of getting anything controversial through parliament at the moment?
The people of Bury South elected a Tory MP and Christian Wakeford should resign and stand for the Labour Party in the by election if he wants to be a Labour MP.
They didn't. They elected Christian Wakeford, for a 5 year term. If they want to change their minds, they'll get a chance in 2 years time. I'll quote Churchill....
The first duty of a member of Parliament is to do what he thinks in his faithful and disinterested judgement is right and necessary for the honour and safety of Great Britain. His second duty is to his constituents, of whom he is the representative but not the delegate. Burke's famous declaration on this subject is well known. It is only in the third place that his duty to party organization or programme takes rank. All these three loyalties should be observed, but there in no doubt of the order in which they stand under any healthy manifestation of democracy."
So, to paraphrase, Country first, Constituents second, Party third.
Yep, Churchill crossed the House and Party twice to follow his convictions :y :y
What was he convicted of?
Racism. Postumously in the court of lefty opinion. :-X
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If he survives, Boris should use his majority to change the law so that MP's cannot just change party and stay on as an MP.
You honestly think Boris stands any chance of getting anything controversial through parliament at the moment?
The people of Bury South elected a Tory MP and Christian Wakeford should resign and stand for the Labour Party in the by election if he wants to be a Labour MP.
They didn't. They elected Christian Wakeford, for a 5 year term. If they want to change their minds, they'll get a chance in 2 years time. I'll quote Churchill....
The first duty of a member of Parliament is to do what he thinks in his faithful and disinterested judgement is right and necessary for the honour and safety of Great Britain. His second duty is to his constituents, of whom he is the representative but not the delegate. Burke's famous declaration on this subject is well known. It is only in the third place that his duty to party organization or programme takes rank. All these three loyalties should be observed, but there in no doubt of the order in which they stand under any healthy manifestation of democracy."
So, to paraphrase, Country first, Constituents second, Party third.
Yep, Churchill crossed the House and Party twice to follow his convictions :y :y
What was he convicted of?
I am sure in the modern World of politics someone would try and convict him of something but no, we are speaking of the great man Churchill here who thank God held firm with his conviction to stand up to that man who'es name begins with H ;D ;D ;D :y
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Harold MacMillan?
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So you think that if Christian Wakeford had stood as a Labour candidate he'd have got elected? ???
It's possible seeing as he has a slim majority of 400 or so votes, but he has been a Tory councillor for years....
I voted for Chris Loder as my MP because he was the Tory candidate and he wouldn't have got my vote if he'd been the Labour, LibDem or Monster Raving Loony candidate. :P
Be interesting at the next election if Labour allow him to stand as their candidate. His defection is proving controversial with the Labour faithful! ;)
I'm not going to try and second guess why the good people of Bury South voted for him (I'm assuming there are at least some good people in Bury South - might be wrong ::)).
What I am saying is that if they thought they were voting for the Party, or the Leader of that Party, then they're wrong. By that measure any MP that votes against their party whip
should face a by-election since they're voting against their party and/or leader?
This MP has put what he considers to be the needs of the country and/or his constituents above the will of his Party. If his constituents don't think that's correct, then they shouldn't have voted for him in the first place. Anyway, they'll get there say in 2 years time. I fully expect most of the red-wall seats that went blue in the last election to go red again next time.
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Harold MacMillan?
No, Adolf!! ;D ;D ;)
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So you think that if Christian Wakeford had stood as a Labour candidate he'd have got elected? ???
It's possible seeing as he has a slim majority of 400 or so votes, but he has been a Tory councillor for years....
I voted for Chris Loder as my MP because he was the Tory candidate and he wouldn't have got my vote if he'd been the Labour, LibDem or Monster Raving Loony candidate. :P
Be interesting at the next election if Labour allow him to stand as their candidate. His defection is proving controversial with the Labour faithful! ;)
I'm not going to try and second guess why the good people of Bury South voted for him (I'm assuming there are at least some good people in Bury South - might be wrong ::)).
What I am saying is that if they thought they were voting for the Party, or the Leader of that Party, then they're wrong. By that measure any MP that votes against their party whip
should face a by-election since they're voting against their party and/or leader?
This MP has put what he considers to be the needs of the country and/or his constituents above the will of his Party. If his constituents don't think that's correct, then they shouldn't have voted for him in the first place. Anyway, they'll get there say in 2 years time. I fully expect most of the red-wall seats that went blue in the last election to go red again next time.
I regret to say that I think that is a correct assumption. It may be a salvageable situation, but unless Boris goes, and goes now, that is what the result will be!
Then it will be down to any new leader....................................................which could be the next challenge for sure!!
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So you think that if Christian Wakeford had stood as a Labour candidate he'd have got elected? ???
It's possible seeing as he has a slim majority of 400 or so votes, but he has been a Tory councillor for years....
I voted for Chris Loder as my MP because he was the Tory candidate and he wouldn't have got my vote if he'd been the Labour, LibDem or Monster Raving Loony candidate. :P
Be interesting at the next election if Labour allow him to stand as their candidate. His defection is proving controversial with the Labour faithful! ;)
I'm not going to try and second guess why the good people of Bury South voted for him (I'm assuming there are at least some good people in Bury South - might be wrong ::)).
What I am saying is that if they thought they were voting for the Party, or the Leader of that Party, then they're wrong. By that measure any MP that votes against their party whip
should face a by-election since they're voting against their party and/or leader?
This MP has put what he considers to be the needs of the country and/or his constituents above the will of his Party. If his constituents don't think that's correct, then they shouldn't have voted for him in the first place. Anyway, they'll get there say in 2 years time. I fully expect most of the red-wall seats that went blue in the last election to go red again next time.
No he hasn't. He's an opportunistic unprincipled A hole trying to save his job in two years time, thinking the same as you in your last sentence. :-X ::)
I hope he gets a good kicking from the good people of Bury South at the next election. :)
If he gets selected as Labours candidate that is..... ;D
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I fully expect most of the red-wall seats that went blue in the last election to go red again next time.
I regret to say that I think that is a correct assumption. It may be a salvageable situation, but unless Boris goes, and goes now, that is what the result will be!
Then it will e done to any new leader....................................................which could be the next challenge for sure!!
I think it was inevitable regardless. Like it or not, the last election was all about one thing, and traditional Labour voters just held their noses and put a cross in the 'blue' box because they wanted Brexit, and all the unicorns and mermaids that Boris promised them on the back of it. What they didn't realise/appreciate was that doing so also gave the Tory party 5 years to run amok with other things they don't necessarily agree with.
Even if BoJo hadn't made such a catastrophic mess of the last 2 months PR, they were always going to switch back to putting a cross in the 'red' box next time once Brexit was 'done' - whatever that means.
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I think it was inevitable regardless. Like it or not, the last election was all about one thing, and traditional Labour voters just held their noses and put a cross in the 'blue' box because they wanted Brexit, and all the unicorns and mermaids that Boris promised them on the back of it. What they didn't realise/appreciate was that doing so also gave the Tory party 5 years to run amok with other things they don't necessarily agree with.
It's worked the other way too, I know a number of people who voted Labour instead of Conservative. One of them even said he couldn't believe how easy the Tories had made that decision.
Most dissatisfied voters tend to vote Lib Dem which gets their point across without actually changing the status quo.
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This MP has put what he considers to be the needs of the country and/or his constituents above the will of his Party. If his constituents don't think that's correct, then they shouldn't have voted for him in the first place. Anyway, they'll get there say in 2 years time. I fully expect most of the red-wall seats that went blue in the last election to go red again next time.
No he hasn't. He's an opportunistic unprincipled A hole trying to save his job in two years time, thinking the same as you in your last sentence. :-X ::)
I hope he gets a good kicking from the good people of Bury South at the next election. :)
If he gets selected as Labours candidate that is..... ;D
If he stands at the next election (wearing whatever colour rosette), and is elected, then it means the good people of Bury South think he's still the best representative available to them. If he gets a good kicking, then they don't.
Either way, its not for people from other constituencies to decide who represents them, or for how long.
Same if Boris resigns. We don't automatically get another General election when a PM goes. The ruling party selects the next PM based on their constitution, though I shudder to think who that might be from the current shower of shite. The public has next to no say - until the next GE which in this case is scheduled for 2024.
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I think it was inevitable regardless. Like it or not, the last election was all about one thing, and traditional Labour voters just held their noses and put a cross in the 'blue' box because they wanted Brexit, and all the unicorns and mermaids that Boris promised them on the back of it. What they didn't realise/appreciate was that doing so also gave the Tory party 5 years to run amok with other things they don't necessarily agree with.
It's worked the other way too, I know a number of people who voted Labour instead of Conservative. One of them even said he couldn't believe how easy the Tories had made that decision.
Most dissatisfied voters tend to vote Lib Dem which gets their point across without actually changing the status quo.
I don't disagree, but feel it's easier to change your allegiances to vote for a single issue you 100% do want, rather than changing to vote for something you also don't want (Corbyn). Most seats are fought between 2 parties, so voting for the 3rd party is often just a protest/wasted vote.
Once the 'major issue' goes away then people will revert to historical voting patterns IMV.
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I fully expect most of the red-wall seats that went blue in the last election to go red again next time.
I regret to say that I think that is a correct assumption. It may be a salvageable situation, but unless Boris goes, and goes now, that is what the result will be!
Then it will e done to any new leader....................................................which could be the next challenge for sure!!
I think it was inevitable regardless. Like it or not, the last election was all about one thing, and traditional Labour voters just held their noses and put a cross in the 'blue' box because they wanted Brexit, and all the unicorns and mermaids that Boris promised them on the back of it. What they didn't realise/appreciate was that doing so also gave the Tory party 5 years to run amok with other things they don't necessarily agree with.
Even if BoJo hadn't made such a catastrophic mess of the last 2 months PR, they were always going to switch back to putting a cross in the 'red' box next time once Brexit was 'done' - whatever that means.
If they do they will be voting for a political party that has little interest in them ( not that the Tory party is any better)
Most working class people in the North have little time for BLM adoration, gender bending and vegan cooking. The working class are an embarrassment to the Labour party of 2022.
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This MP has put what he considers to be the needs of the country and/or his constituents above the will of his Party. If his constituents don't think that's correct, then they shouldn't have voted for him in the first place. Anyway, they'll get there say in 2 years time. I fully expect most of the red-wall seats that went blue in the last election to go red again next time.
No he hasn't. He's an opportunistic unprincipled A hole trying to save his job in two years time, thinking the same as you in your last sentence. :-X ::)
I hope he gets a good kicking from the good people of Bury South at the next election. :)
If he gets selected as Labours candidate that is..... ;D
If he stands at the next election (wearing whatever colour rosette), and is elected, then it means the good people of Bury South think he's still the best representative available to them. If he gets a good kicking, then they don't.
Either way, its not for people from other constituencies to decide who represents them, or for how long.
Same if Boris resigns. We don't automatically get another General election when a PM goes. The ruling party selects the next PM based on their constitution, though I shudder to think who that might be from the current shower of shite. The public has next to no say - until the next GE which in this case is scheduled for 2024.
That's nonsense. You can't compare an MP who crosses the floor to join a different political party, with a PM resigning and then another MP getting appointed from the same governing party as PM. ::)
The good people of the UK voted for a Conservative government. If Boris Johnson goes then he'll be replaced by another Conservative MP and the Conservative Government continues until the next GE.
The good people of Bury South voted for a Conservative MP. They now have a Labour MP until the next GE, assumed to be in 2024.
Christian Wakeford should give his constituents the chance to endorse his actions or not ASAP in my opinion. They shouldn't have to wait for two years or so. >:(
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Yep. Regardless of what the rules say, he should trigger a by election as a matter of principle. :y
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Christian Wakeford should give his constituents the chance to endorse his actions or not ASAP in my opinion. They shouldn't have to wait for two years or so. >:(
Disagree. He was elected as representative of all the people of Bury South - for 5 years. He continues to represent the constituency that elected him until his term is up regardless of the colour of the party he choses to be a member of. He is not the delegate for those who voted Tory.
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Christian Wakeford should give his constituents the chance to endorse his actions or not ASAP in my opinion. They shouldn't have to wait for two years or so. >:(
Disagree. He was elected as representative of all the people of Bury South - for 5 years. He continues to represent the constituency that elected him until his term is up regardless of the colour of the party he choses to be a member of. He is not the delegate for those who voted Tory.
Yes he is. They are the people who put him in the House of Commons in the first place. ::)
Anyway I think the man himself would agree with me! :y ;D
https://order-order.com/2022/01/19/new-christian-wakeford-co-sponsored-bill-mandating-by-election-for-mp-defectors/
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Christian Wakeford should give his constituents the chance to endorse his actions or not ASAP in my opinion. They shouldn't have to wait for two years or so. >:(
Disagree. He was elected as representative of all the people of Bury South - for 5 years. He continues to represent the constituency that elected him until his term is up regardless of the colour of the party he choses to be a member of. He is not the delegate for those who voted Tory.
Agree with Sir Tigger on this.
If he had wanted to be elected on merit, then he would have stood as an independent and campaigned to everyone based on how he could best represent them as such.
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Around here, a lot of people have no idea which candidate is representing the party they wish to vote for. They have voted Labour all their lives and will continue to do so. So they put their tick next to the red rosette, not the candidate.
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Around here, a lot of people have no idea which candidate is representing the party they wish to vote for. They have voted Labour all their lives and will continue to do so. So they put their tick next to the red rosette, not the candidate.
Round here, if our Tory MP defected to Labour, people would take to the streets with their pitchforks! ;D
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Christian Wakeford should give his constituents the chance to endorse his actions or not ASAP in my opinion. They shouldn't have to wait for two years or so. >:(
Disagree. He was elected as representative of all the people of Bury South - for 5 years. He continues to represent the constituency that elected him until his term is up regardless of the colour of the party he choses to be a member of. He is not the delegate for those who voted Tory.
Yes he is. They are the people who put him in the House of Commons in the first place. ::)
What I meant was "He represents all the people of Bury south, not just those who voted Tory".
And in that spirit you can argue that he is one of the most democratic MP's. 43.8% of his constituents voted Tory, and 43% voted Labour. He's spent just over half his term as a Conservative and looks like spending the remainder as a Labour MP. Perhaps he'll pop in a day or two for the LibDems too since he's a one man proportional representation machine.
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Christian Wakeford should give his constituents the chance to endorse his actions or not ASAP in my opinion. They shouldn't have to wait for two years or so. >:(
Disagree. He was elected as representative of all the people of Bury South - for 5 years. He continues to represent the constituency that elected him until his term is up regardless of the colour of the party he choses to be a member of. He is not the delegate for those who voted Tory.
Yes he is. They are the people who put him in the House of Commons in the first place. ::)
What I meant was "He represents all the people of Bury south, not just those who voted Tory".
And in that spirit you can argue that he is one of the most democratic MP's. 43.8% of his constituents voted Tory, and 43% voted Labour. He's spent just over half his term as a Conservative and looks like spending the remainder as a Labour MP. Perhaps he'll pop in a day or two for the LibDems too since he's a one man proportional representation machine.
Bury ...both north & south are very very marginal seats ... IIRC there was about 100 votes difference in my Bury North area at the last GE
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When seeking election would Wakeford not have campaigned under the banner of the rosette that he wore ?
If so he must have decried the other prospective candidates who by defacto represented the other parties seeking to form a Government .
I doing what he did , as with all the previous MP's who also have , he has broken all/some of his promises to the majority of the constituents that gave him their trust in their vote.
There is no honour or principle in politics but that could or should be viewed as a contract of exchange and once terminated by one of the parties should be nullified resulting in an immediate by- election to re establish the true democratic wishes of the electorate that the MP is chosen to represent .
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He had no good words to say about Labour, and quite a few bad ones - until very recently. ::) :o ;D
https://order-order.com/2022/01/19/tell-us-what-you-think-of-labour-christian/
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He had no good words to say about Labour, and quite a few bad ones - until very recently. ::) :o ;D
https://order-order.com/2022/01/19/tell-us-what-you-think-of-labour-christian/
Rather succinctly put .. ;D
Thanks Albs .
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Around here, a lot of people have no idea which candidate is representing the party they wish to vote for. They have voted Labour all their lives and will continue to do so. So they put their tick next to the red rosette, not the candidate.
I find it sad when people say the reason they vote one way or another is because their parents voted that way, and their parents before them voted that way.
I mean, what sort of brainless answer is that. :-X
I come to a decision who I will vote for based on who I believe offers the best deal (much like buying a car)
I've happy to change, I'm not dogmatic.
I've voted both Labour and Tory in the past. At the moment I couldn't bring myself to vote for Labour but that could change with a new leader and policy based in reality rather than woke delusion.
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He had no good words to say about Labour, and quite a few bad ones - until very recently. ::) :o ;D
https://order-order.com/2022/01/19/tell-us-what-you-think-of-labour-christian/
https://youtu.be/0sO8yUIPJLA (https://youtu.be/0sO8yUIPJLA)
He said rude words and tells fibs......he needs to sent to the naughty step with Boris. ;D
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He had no good words to say about Labour, and quite a few bad ones - until very recently. ::) :o ;D
https://order-order.com/2022/01/19/tell-us-what-you-think-of-labour-christian/
https://youtu.be/0sO8yUIPJLA (https://youtu.be/0sO8yUIPJLA)
He said rude words and tells fibs......he needs to sent to the naughty step with Boris. ;D
If telling fibs were a problem for politicians, then we're going to need a much bigger naughty step - one big enough for 650 people. It's what they do.
Telling fibs in/to Parliament however - that's what gets MPs/Ministers in to trouble.
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Well we'll see how this pans out, and I guess it's all riding on Sue Gray's report. If she concludes Boris lied to Parliament I think he's toast, but you never know! ::)
I'm going to nail my colours to the mast. I hope he survives. :)
With Europe on the brink of war, I think that the last thing we need right now is the instability and uncertainty of a leadership contest. If we end up with a new PM he/she will reshuffle the cabinet and it will effectively be a new government at the worst possible time. :-\
Boris is a tit, but from time to time he has shown flair and imagination, like taking the vaccine programme away from the Department of Health/NHS and setting up the Vaccine Taskforce. :y I can't imagine any of the possible replacements doing something like that and we shouldn't forget that Sir Starmer criticised the government for not teaming up with the EU, not only on vaccines but ventilators at the beginning of the pandemic as well. ::)
The AUKUS submarine deal was another masterstroke that I really can't see any other past or potential PM doing. I imagine senior civil servants in the MOD and Foreign Office had serious cases of the vapours when they found out, and I would think that characters like Sir Starmer or Theresa May would have wanted to run it past Brussels and Paris before signing up. Jeremy Corbyn? ::) Christ!! :o ;D
Boris needs a strong right hand man to keep him on track (Lord Frost?) and we need to see more of Boris at his best over the next couple of years if he stands a chance of winning the next GE! :y
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Exactly :y
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Boris at his best is making a tit of himself in the media, whether that's on panel shows or as a columnist.
If that's what we need, then God help us.
And 'Europe is on the brink of war'?? I've only just got in from a ringing practice so have clearly missed something important. What was it?
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Boris at his best is making a tit of himself in the media, whether that's on panel shows or as a columnist.
If that's what we need, then God help us.
And 'Europe is on the brink of war'?? I've only just got in from a ringing practice so have clearly missed something important. What was it?
You should pay attention Nick! ::)
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We don't need Boris to deal with Putin, we have Liz Truss. She can put a headscarf on and ride in a tank like Maggie, frighten the bejesus out of him.
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We don't need Boris to deal with Putin, we have Liz Truss. She can put a headscarf on and ride in a tank like Maggie, frighten the bejesus out of him.
Tats oot for the Vlads? :D
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We don't need Boris to deal with Putin, we have Liz Truss. She can put a headscarf on and ride in a tank like Maggie, frighten the bejesus out of him.
Tats oot for the Vlads? :D
Please........no. :(
They'd bounce off her army boots.
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Heidi Allen held a certain appeal.
Not in politics now, I think,
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Heidi Allen held a certain appeal.
Not in politics now, I think,
She wasn't the Secretary of State for foreign and commonwealth matters, though ::)
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We don't need Boris to deal with Putin, we have Liz Truss. She can put a headscarf on and ride in a tank like Maggie, frighten the bejesus out of him.
Tats oot for the Vlads? :D
Please........no. :(
They'd bounce off her army boots.
Keep em nice and shiny! :y
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We don't need Boris to deal with Putin, we have Liz Truss. She can put a headscarf on and ride in a tank like Maggie, frighten the bejesus out of him.
Tats oot for the Vlads? :D
Please........no. :(
They'd bounce off her army boots.
Keep em nice and shiny! :y
Yeah......the tits and the boots ;D
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'Truss titties' don't look that floppy to me.
Although I have no idea what they look like out of their bra. :)
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Boris at his best is making a tit of himself in the media, whether that's on panel shows or as a columnist.
If that's what we need, then God help us.
And 'Europe is on the brink of war'?? I've only just got in from a ringing practice so have clearly missed something important. What was it?
You should pay attention Nick! ::)
I thought I had been.
I'll ask again, what is happening that might lead to a war?
Paranoid fantasies about the Belgians secretly building a massive syringe to fire over England so that Irish potatoes come already covered in mayonaise don't count.
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'Truss titties' don't look that floppy to me.
Although I have no idea what they look like out of their bra. :)
She keeps them well trussed up! :D
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Boris at his best is making a tit of himself in the media, whether that's on panel shows or as a columnist.
If that's what we need, then God help us.
And 'Europe is on the brink of war'?? I've only just got in from a ringing practice so have clearly missed something important. What was it?
You should pay attention Nick! ::)
I thought I had been.
I'll ask again, what is happening that might lead to a war?
Paranoid fantasies about the Belgians secretly building a massive syringe to fire over England so that Irish potatoes come already covered in mayonaise don't count.
I suppose you could count Ukraine as Eastern Europe. This chances of conflict increased after Biden gave permission for just a 'small' incursion yesterday, stupid old fool.
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You suppose Ukraine could be in Eastern Europe.! Err yes as Moscow is also in Europe.
Easy schoolboy error as Israel and Australia are eligible for the EUROvision song contest.
It isnt looking good. War and prices go up, no war and prices go up.
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Yes, but Europe is in Eurasia, so :P :P :P :P
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Boris at his best is making a tit of himself in the media, whether that's on panel shows or as a columnist.
If that's what we need, then God help us.
And 'Europe is on the brink of war'?? I've only just got in from a ringing practice so have clearly missed something important. What was it?
You should pay attention Nick! ::)
I thought I had been.
I'll ask again, what is happening that might lead to a war?
Paranoid fantasies about the Belgians secretly building a massive syringe to fire over England so that Irish potatoes come already covered in mayonaise don't count.
I suppose you could count Ukraine as Eastern Europe. This chances of conflict increased after Biden gave permission for just a 'small' incursion yesterday, stupid old fool.
I couldnt believe what I was hearing ! I also had the thought that if Trump had been the one to say it, the MSM would have had a pink fit that lasted for years, and he would probably have ben impeached for encouraging his pal in The Kremlin to attack another Sovereign democratic state . ::)
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Sippy Cup needs a trip to the vet.
He's already claiming that the mid term results won't be reliable. :-X
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Anything Biden does wrong would definitely not be improved by Trump being in office. America needs a new President, sure, but not Trump.
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Anything Biden does wrong would definitely not be improved by Trump being in office. America needs a new President, sure, but not Trump.
Oh come on Uncle STEMO, we could do with a laugh! ;D
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Boris at his best is making a tit of himself in the media, whether that's on panel shows or as a columnist.
If that's what we need, then God help us.
And 'Europe is on the brink of war'?? I've only just got in from a ringing practice so have clearly missed something important. What was it?
You should pay attention Nick! ::)
I thought I had been.
I'll ask again, what is happening that might lead to a war?
Paranoid fantasies about the Belgians secretly building a massive syringe to fire over England so that Irish potatoes come already covered in mayonaise don't count.
I suppose you could count Ukraine as Eastern Europe. This chances of conflict increased after Biden gave permission for just a 'small' incursion yesterday, stupid old fool.
Be fair. Not all of his dogs are barking but..... ::)
The old lad sorted out Afghanistan......apart from 9 million men, women, and children who are likely to starve to death if the Taliban don't kill them first. :-X :-X :-X :-X
The man is an imbecile. :-X
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Anything Biden does wrong would definitely not be improved by Trump being in office. America needs a new President, sure, but not Trump.
Oh come on Uncle STEMO, we could do with a laugh! ;D
Not that kind of laugh ;D
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Apparently Boris has Covid again, so I dont suppose he will be able to answer any more questions for a while. ::)
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Apparently Boris has Covid again, so I dont suppose he will be able to answer any more questions for a while. ::)
Your source, Albs? Can't find anything :-\
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It was on the Google news page thing on my laptop, but now seems to have gone.
Fake news maybe ? :-\
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Apparently Boris has Covid again, so I dont suppose he will be able to answer any more questions for a while. ::)
Has he ever actually answered a question?
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Apparently Boris has Covid again, so I dont suppose he will be able to answer any more questions for a while. ::)
Has he ever actually answered a question?
Like how many kids he has? ;D
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It was on the Google news page thing on my laptop, but now seems to have gone.
Fake news maybe ? :-\
Should have forwarded it to Al before it went ;D
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Apparently Boris has Covid again, so I dont suppose he will be able to answer any more questions for a while. ::)
Has he ever actually answered a question?
Like how many kids he has? ;D
Try starting with one he knows the answer to. ;)
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Well it’s all got far, far worse for Boris, so how many days would you bet on him lasting for until he finally goes? :-X
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I say 7 ;)
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It's an establishment plot to bring him down. :)
You see, under the New World Order you're not supposed to relax covid restrictions, so he must go! ::)
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It's an establishment plot to bring him down. :)
You see, under the New World Order you're not supposed to relax covid restrictions, so he must go! ::)
I wish it was just that. ;)
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It's an establishment plot to bring him down. :)
You see, under the New World Order you're not supposed to relax covid restrictions, so he must go! ::)
I wish it was just that. ;)
What else is it then? ???
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It's an establishment plot to bring him down. :)
You see, under the New World Order you're not supposed to relax covid restrictions, so he must go! ::)
I wish it was just that. ;)
What else is it then? ???
You need to ask, especially after today?! :o :o
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Is Monday special then ???
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It's an establishment plot to bring him down. :)
You see, under the New World Order you're not supposed to relax covid restrictions, so he must go! ::)
I wish it was just that. ;)
Well no there's Brexit as well. ::)
They haven't forgotten you know! ;)
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It's an establishment plot to bring him down. :)
You see, under the New World Order you're not supposed to relax covid restrictions, so he must go! ::)
I wish it was just that. ;)
Well no there's Brexit as well. ::)
They haven't forgotten you know! ;)
We left already, so it's a moot point.
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It's an establishment plot to bring him down. :)
You see, under the New World Order you're not supposed to relax covid restrictions, so he must go! ::)
I wish it was just that. ;)
Well no there's Brexit as well. ::)
They haven't forgotten you know! ;)
We left already, so it's a moot point.
We did, but they need to get their revenge. ;)
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Tick tock……..tick tock………tick tock :D ;)
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Its now looking like Boris has Dickless of Dock Green in his pocket. ::)
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Its now looking like Boris has Dickless of Dock Green in his pocket. ::)
That is witty ;D..... Although George Dixon would never have approved of a mere woman in the top job, especially one who enjoys rug munching.
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Tick tock tick tock…….
The clock is ticking down, but Boris has been known to be a great escape artist, whilst rarely telling the truth. That is what we have now, with the pressures all around Boris.
I noted the comment by Sir Max Hastings, an greatly respected historian, journalist and former boss of Boris, during the news item Boris : Is the Party Over?. He reiterated his knowledge of the weaknesses in Boris Johnson’s character that he witnessed when he was his boss. It all rather backed up what I certainly think of this buffoon. These are past journalistic comment by Sir Max,:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/24/boris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britain
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/03/for-his-sake-and-britains-now-is-the-time-for-boris-johnson-to-ride-off-into-the-sunset
https://www.thenational.scot/politics/19840401.boris-johnson-real-threat-british-way-life/
He has to go, but will he do the decent think……?
Tick tock…….tick tock……tick tock….
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It's rather amusing that those who have been propagating this hysteria and who called for a police investigation from the start, are now cheesed off that now the police are involved, the civil servant's report is delayed precisely because of that investigation! :)
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It's rather amusing that those who have been propagating this hysteria and who called for a police investigation from the start, are now cheesed off that now the police are involved, the civil servant's report is delayed precisely because of that investigation! :)
Yes indeed. What did they expect. There is nothing unusual about the police wishing to mount their criminal investigation and not wish for details to be made public before this is completed, and their findings being “prejudiced”. Failures in following the correct legal procedures could result in any court action being severely hindered, with the very thing most people do not want, individuals ‘getting away with it’ for any crimes they committed.
The truth will be known eventually, even though it may give Boris more wriggle and blustering time! >:(
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It's rather amusing that those who have been propagating this hysteria and who called for a police investigation from the start, are now cheesed off that now the police are involved, the civil servant's report is delayed precisely because of that investigation! :)
Yes indeed. What did they expect. There is nothing unusual about the police wishing to mount their criminal investigation and not wish for details to be made public before this is completed, and their findings being “prejudiced”. Failures in following the correct legal procedures could result in any court action being severely hindered, with the very thing most people do not want, individuals ‘getting away with it’ for any crimes they committed.
The truth will be known eventually, even though it may give Boris more wriggle and blustering time! >:(
The other thing that made me laugh was that the Civil Servants union said that its members names should be redacted from the report to protect them. ::)
Well seeing as it was the Civil Servants doing the partying and thus breaking the law they should be named, shamed and censured. Especially the senior managers who let it all happen! :y
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It's rather amusing that those who have been propagating this hysteria and who called for a police investigation from the start, are now cheesed off that now the police are involved, the civil servant's report is delayed precisely because of that investigation! :)
Yes indeed. What did they expect. There is nothing unusual about the police wishing to mount their criminal investigation and not wish for details to be made public before this is completed, and their findings being “prejudiced”. Failures in following the correct legal procedures could result in any court action being severely hindered, with the very thing most people do not want, individuals ‘getting away with it’ for any crimes they committed.
The truth will be known eventually, even though it may give Boris more wriggle and blustering time! >:(
The other thing that made me laugh was that the Civil Servants union said that its members names should be redacted from the report to protect them. ::)
Well seeing as it was the Civil Servants doing the partying and thus breaking the law they should be named, shamed and censured. Especially the senior managers who let it all happen! :y
The crucial and interesting fact of these delays, and anything else, will not help Boris convincing anyone that he is not guilty of all that has happened. He will now be judged by the electorate no matter what comes out eventually. Emotions, anger, and plain distrust, is hardening and this will do nothing to assist this devalued PM and his government.
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I've every confidence that the truth will be revealed..😂😂😂
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I've got a couple of whitewash brushes in my shed they can borrow. :)
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What I can't work out is if Boris has something on Cressida Dickhead and is strong-arming her into police action, or Cressida Dickhead has something on Boris and therefore gets to keep her job for a while longer.
What would normally happen is that some junior civil servant is thrown under the bus and prosecuted. However, in this instance that prosecution is bound to fail (it's out of time), and therefore if the person being thrown under the bus isn't willing, they'll kick up a fuss (abuse of process). So you need someone who is willing to take the can, senior enough that the public can believe "justice has been done", and who isn't bothered about their reputational damage.
I just don't see how any abuse of public office charge works if the basis of the charge is the Covid Health regulations. You don't use a generic catch all common law offence to prosecute someone when there is a specific criminal offence covering it.
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It's rather amusing that those who have been propagating this hysteria and who called for a police investigation from the start, are now cheesed off that now the police are involved, the civil servant's report is delayed precisely because of that investigation! :)
Yes indeed. What did they expect. There is nothing unusual about the police wishing to mount their criminal investigation and not wish for details to be made public before this is completed, and their findings being “prejudiced”. Failures in following the correct legal procedures could result in any court action being severely hindered, with the very thing most people do not want, individuals ‘getting away with it’ for any crimes they committed.
The truth will be known eventually, even though it may give Boris more wriggle and blustering time! >:(
The other thing that made me laugh was that the Civil Servants union said that its members names should be redacted from the report to protect them. ::)
Well seeing as it was the Civil Servants doing the partying and thus breaking the law they should be named, shamed and censured. Especially the senior managers who let it all happen! :y
The crucial and interesting fact of these delays, and anything else, will not help Boris convincing anyone that he is not guilty of all that has happened. He will now be judged by the electorate no matter what comes out eventually. Emotions, anger, and plain distrust, is hardening and this will do nothing to assist this devalued PM and his government.
What is he guilty of though Lizzie? ???
We know of three events that he attended, even though apparently No10 was some sort of continuous party house at the time. ::) There is the picture of him and his Mrs sat in the garden with a few others, all staff. There is the infamous garden party organised by a senior Civil Servant where he allegedly popped out for 20 minutes to thank the staff for their efforts, and the surprise birthday party organised by Mrs J which is hardly his fault. He wasn't even on the property when the civil Servants held the big piss up on the eve of Prince Phillip's funeral where Wilf's slide got broken, he was at Chequers. ::)
So not a resigning issue in my view. The media have again whipped up hysteria using information dished out by Dominic Cummings. A man they despise and who they didn't believe a word he uttered a few months earlier, yet here they are hanging off his every word, and their useful idiots have fallen for the rhetoric hook, line and sinker. ::)
Europe is on the brink of war and these idiots think it's a good idea to be without a PM for two or three months while the Tories fight it out for the crown! :-X
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It's rather amusing that those who have been propagating this hysteria and who called for a police investigation from the start, are now cheesed off that now the police are involved, the civil servant's report is delayed precisely because of that investigation! :)
Yes indeed. What did they expect. There is nothing unusual about the police wishing to mount their criminal investigation and not wish for details to be made public before this is completed, and their findings being “prejudiced”. Failures in following the correct legal procedures could result in any court action being severely hindered, with the very thing most people do not want, individuals ‘getting away with it’ for any crimes they committed.
The truth will be known eventually, even though it may give Boris more wriggle and blustering time! >:(
The other thing that made me laugh was that the Civil Servants union said that its members names should be redacted from the report to protect them. ::)
Well seeing as it was the Civil Servants doing the partying and thus breaking the law they should be named, shamed and censured. Especially the senior managers who let it all happen! :y
The crucial and interesting fact of these delays, and anything else, will not help Boris convincing anyone that he is not guilty of all that has happened. He will now be judged by the electorate no matter what comes out eventually. Emotions, anger, and plain distrust, is hardening and this will do nothing to assist this devalued PM and his government.
What is he guilty of though Lizzie? ???
We know of three events that he attended, even though apparently No10 was some sort of continuous party house at the time. ::) There is the picture of him and his Mrs sat in the garden with a few others, all staff. There is the infamous garden party organised by a senior Civil Servant where he allegedly popped out for 20 minutes to thank the staff for their efforts, and the surprise birthday party organised by Mrs J which is hardly his fault. He wasn't even on the property when the civil Servants held the big piss up on the eve of Prince Phillip's funeral where Wilf's slide got broken, he was at Chequers. ::)
So not a resigning issue in my view. The media have again whipped up hysteria using information dished out by Dominic Cummings. A man they despise and who they didn't believe a word he uttered a few months earlier, yet here they are hanging off his every word, and their useful idiots have fallen for the rhetoric hook, line and sinker. ::)
Europe is on the brink of war and these idiots think it's a good idea to be without a PM for two or three months while the Tories fight it out for the crown! :-X
Until the investigations are finalised, with reports being published, we the public cannot ascertain exactly what has transpired with the multiple parties, the leadership or not within No10, the racial discrimination, the alleged lying on numerous issues that Boris has been doing, let alone the funding issues with his flat (another lie it appears), but his lack of credibility is the overall charge being made, by not only outsiders, but senior Conservative MP’s themselves.
This is not what the Conservative Party, or of course, the Country needs. The delay of the reports will not help anyone but the opposition and the growing number of dis-believing, increasingly angry, electorates. But we cannot have a Prime Minister whose credibility is so damaged. Other PM’s have been displaced for far less than this, IF it is all proved to be true.
As for the Ukrainian crisis, our PM is not the key factor in it all. Others in Government, or more importantly in the British security services, will deal with whatever transpires, but the UK’s importance is not what it was 80 years ago, and especially after 1956. The Americans, the UN, and NATO, will still do what they have to with or without our Buffoon of a PM. The massed ranks of our political elite will cover for him, whilst the military will do what they have the power to do if required.
But, the longer the Boris saga goes on for the more damaging for everyone. ;)
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That is OK I guess. Wait till Russia invades Ukraine 10th of Feb, same time as China attacks Taiwan. We ( not me) will all be watching the jollity of the Olympics on the artificial snow. The response? They will all be dithering. TV or response?
Get Boris. At least we can understand that.
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For me, personally, Russia can have Ukraine and China can have Taiwan, there's very little anyone can do about it and I'm really not that bothered. As long as they don't bomb our chippy.
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For me, personally, Russia can have Ukraine and China can have Taiwan, there's very little anyone can do about it and I'm really not that bothered. As long as they don't turn the gas off at our chippy.
Nom, nom, nom :D
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For me, personally, Russia can have Ukraine and China can have Taiwan, there's very little anyone can do about it and I'm really not that bothered. As long as they don't turn the gas off at our chippy.
Nom, nom, nom :D
We don't import our gas from Russia and, if Germany and France suffer because of us sticking our noses in.......bonus! :)
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It's rather amusing that those who have been propagating this hysteria and who called for a police investigation from the start, are now cheesed off that now the police are involved, the civil servant's report is delayed precisely because of that investigation! :)
Yes indeed. What did they expect. There is nothing unusual about the police wishing to mount their criminal investigation and not wish for details to be made public before this is completed, and their findings being “prejudiced”. Failures in following the correct legal procedures could result in any court action being severely hindered, with the very thing most people do not want, individuals ‘getting away with it’ for any crimes they committed.
The truth will be known eventually, even though it may give Boris more wriggle and blustering time! >:(
The other thing that made me laugh was that the Civil Servants union said that its members names should be redacted from the report to protect them. ::)
Well seeing as it was the Civil Servants doing the partying and thus breaking the law they should be named, shamed and censured. Especially the senior managers who let it all happen! :y
The crucial and interesting fact of these delays, and anything else, will not help Boris convincing anyone that he is not guilty of all that has happened. He will now be judged by the electorate no matter what comes out eventually. Emotions, anger, and plain distrust, is hardening and this will do nothing to assist this devalued PM and his government.
What is he guilty of though Lizzie? ???
We know of three events that he attended, even though apparently No10 was some sort of continuous party house at the time. ::) There is the picture of him and his Mrs sat in the garden with a few others, all staff. There is the infamous garden party organised by a senior Civil Servant where he allegedly popped out for 20 minutes to thank the staff for their efforts, and the surprise birthday party organised by Mrs J which is hardly his fault. He wasn't even on the property when the civil Servants held the big piss up on the eve of Prince Phillip's funeral where Wilf's slide got broken, he was at Chequers. ::)
So not a resigning issue in my view. The media have again whipped up hysteria using information dished out by Dominic Cummings. A man they despise and who they didn't believe a word he uttered a few months earlier, yet here they are hanging off his every word, and their useful idiots have fallen for the rhetoric hook, line and sinker. ::)
Europe is on the brink of war and these idiots think it's a good idea to be without a PM for two or three months while the Tories fight it out for the crown! :-X
Until the investigations are finalised, with reports being published, we the public cannot ascertain exactly what has transpired with the multiple parties, the leadership or not within No10, the racial discrimination, the alleged lying on numerous issues that Boris has been doing, let alone the funding issues with his flat (another lie it appears), but his lack of credibility is the overall charge being made, by not only outsiders, but senior Conservative MP’s themselves.
This is not what the Conservative Party, or of course, the Country needs. The delay of the reports will not help anyone but the opposition and the growing number of dis-believing, increasingly angry, electorates. But we cannot have a Prime Minister whose credibility is so damaged. Other PM’s have been displaced for far less than this, IF it is all proved to be true.
As for the Ukrainian crisis, our PM is not the key factor in it all. Others in Government, or more importantly in the British security services, will deal with whatever transpires, but the UK’s importance is not what it was 80 years ago, and especially after 1956. The Americans, the UN, and NATO, will still do what they have to with or without our Buffoon of a PM. The massed ranks of our political elite will cover for him, whilst the military will do what they have the power to do if required.
But, the longer the Boris saga goes on for the more damaging for everyone. ;)
Apparently The Met are going to investigate eight separate incidents and that could take up to eighteen months or even a couple of years! :o ::)
In other news recently, only 6% of reported crimes are solved, result in an arrest and someone getting charged with their crime, so if Boris is guilty of cake, it's likely he'll get away with it! ;D
Think about this though. We are often told that the police don't have enough resources which is why violent crime, burglaries, domestic abuse, rape gangs, stabbings etc etc are all on the up, yet the Met have the resources to launch a detailed investigation into parties at No10 a couple of years ago which could take up to two years. Coincidentally, around the time of the next election. :-X
I wonder how much this will cost and how many coppers will be tied up with this effing nonsense! ??? >:(
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You're right, of course, Tigger, but I think it's more a reflection on politics itself and, more generally, society at large. This country is like one giant social media account, with everybody wanting their say in just about everything. People expect instant answers to any question they might care to ask from politicians, police, the man in the corner shop and, the worse part of it is, the parties involved try to please them.
Most nights the news is more like a gossip column, not a factual insight.
Gone are the days when the government would, metaphorically, tell nosey Parker's to eff off, and state the official secrets act. I'm not saying those days were better......oh......yes, I am.
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You're right, of course, Tigger, but I think it's more a reflection on politics itself and, more generally, society at large. This country is like one giant social media account, with everybody wanting their say in just about everything. People expect instant answers to any question they might care to ask from politicians, police, the man in the corner shop and, the worse part of it is, the parties involved try to please them.
Most nights the news is more like a gossip column, not a factual insight.
Gone are the days when the government would, metaphorically, tell nosey Parker's to eff off, and state the official secrets act. I'm not saying those days were better......oh......yes, I am.
Apart from other times in the past when the government of the day did not get away with just telling others that, there was also the ‘little’ affair when the PM lied to the Country, to Parliament, and crucially the Americans. His lying involved getting another nation, Israel, to start a war to invade Egypt, and the French then the British armed forces to go in to ‘secure’ the Suez Canal from the Israelis. It all came to a head, with PM Anthony Eden leaving office in disgrace for lying, misleading the House, with his, and British, credibility shot to pieces.
In short you cannot have a proved liar, with his credibility ruined, at the head of HM Government. He MAY be proved to be innocent, or not. Either way that is politics, that is life at the top of any creditable organisation, let alone GB UK. The buck stops at his / her office. ;)
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All politicians are liars, Tony Blair constantly told whoppers. Some get caught, some don't. I think before you win any leadership contest, you should be tested to see how good a liar you are ;D
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I hope Boris survives. I don't particularly like him, you understand, but my hatred for Starmer and his tart of a sidekick completely outweigh my dislike of Boris.
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All politicians are liars, Tony Blair constantly told whoppers. Some get caught, some don't. I think before you win any leadership contest, you should be tested to see how good a liar you are ;D
Yep, very true. That is politics.
Boris has apparently been caught out, and no matter what happens next he will not be given any chance to lead the Conservative Party at the next election. That has already been determined behind closed political doors! ::) ::)
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I hope Boris survives. I don't particularly like him, you understand, but my hatred for Starmer and his tart of a sidekick completely outweigh my dislike of Boris.
Don’t worry, the Conservatives will find another leader, they always do.
The problem now is that the public, especially “The Red Wall” voters, will not trust the Conservatives, even less than they trust the others! :P
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The oracle, eh? ;D
We'll see.
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I wonder what Taylor Swift is doing today...
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I hope Boris survives. I don't particularly like him, you understand, but my hatred for Starmer and his tart of a sidekick completely outweigh my dislike of Boris.
Don’t worry, the Conservatives will find another leader, they always do.
The problem now is that the public, especially “The Red Wall” voters, will not trust the Conservatives, even less than they trust the others! :P
Don't you believe it Lizzie, Labour have a hellavlot of ground to cover to regain trust, especially when it comes to Brexit and this country's independence. ;)
Sir Starmer's trying though, which is why he's been unconvincingly wrapping himself in the glorious folds of the Union Flag recently! ::) ;D
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Labour cant win a majority unless they find a way of shooting the SNP fox in Scotland.
They could form a coalition with the Illiberal Undemocrats though. :o
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Labour cant win a majority unless they find a way of shooting the SNP fox in Scotland.
They could form a coalition with the Illiberal Undemocrats though. :o
Sir Starmer has said today that an 'early priority' for a Labour government would be devolving more powers to Holyrood and that he has asked Gordon Brown to 'recommend improvements to devolution'. ::)
The SNP will of course happily bank Labour's 'improvements' and will carry on as before. :)
Labour have learnt nothing from devolution and would probably do a deal with the SNP to get into Downing St. which would almost certainly mean IndyRef2! ::)
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Labour cant win a majority unless they find a way of shooting the SNP fox in Scotland.
They could form a coalition with the Illiberal Undemocrats though. :o
Sir Starmer has said today that an 'early priority' for a Labour government would be devolving more powers to Holyrood and that he has asked Gordon Brown to 'recommend improvements to devolution'. ::)
The SNP will of course happily bank Labour's 'improvements' and will carry on as before. :)
Labour have learnt nothing from devolution and would probably do a deal with the SNP to get into Downing St. which would almost certainly mean IndyRef2! ::)
Good ;D
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Labour cant win a majority unless they find a way of shooting the SNP fox in Scotland.
They could form a coalition with the Illiberal Undemocrats though. :o
Sir Starmer has said today that an 'early priority' for a Labour government would be devolving more powers to Holyrood and that he has asked Gordon Brown to 'recommend improvements to devolution'. ::)
The SNP will of course happily bank Labour's 'improvements' and will carry on as before. :)
Labour have learnt nothing from devolution and would probably do a deal with the SNP to get into Downing St. which would almost certainly mean IndyRef2! ::)
Good ;D
Yes well that's a point of view.
Maybe Scotland should have another vote because some didn't like the outcome of the first less than 10 year ago. That's only fair right? :)
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Labour cant win a majority unless they find a way of shooting the SNP fox in Scotland.
They could form a coalition with the Illiberal Undemocrats though. :o
Sir Starmer has said today that an 'early priority' for a Labour government would be devolving more powers to Holyrood and that he has asked Gordon Brown to 'recommend improvements to devolution'. ::)
The SNP will of course happily bank Labour's 'improvements' and will carry on as before. :)
Labour have learnt nothing from devolution and would probably do a deal with the SNP to get into Downing St. which would almost certainly mean IndyRef2! ::)
Good ;D
Yes well that's a point of view.
Maybe Scotland should have another vote because some didn't like the outcome of the first less than 10 year ago. That's only fair right? :)
Scotland, fair. Brexit, no! ;D
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I also think we should get a vote on whether Scotland gets independence or not, they'd definitely go then :y
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I also think we should get a vote on whether Scotland gets independence or not, they'd definitely go then :y
On the condition that we keep all the oil from Sumburgh and Flotta ;)
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I also think we should get a vote on whether Scotland gets independence or not, they'd definitely go then :y
On the condition that we keep all the oil from Sumburgh and Flotta ;)
Didn't you know that it's greener to leave British oil and gas in the ground and import it from halfway round the world instead? ??? ::)
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I also think we should get a vote on whether Scotland gets independence or not, they'd definitely go then :y
On the condition that we keep all the oil from Sumburgh and Flotta ;)
Didn't you know that it's greener to leave British oil and gas in the ground and import it from halfway round the world instead? ??? ::)
You mean cheaper... Only until it isn't... As per the Canadian oil sands and artic ocean drilling ;)
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I also think we should get a vote on whether Scotland gets independence or not, they'd definitely go then :y
On the condition that we keep all the oil from Sumburgh and Flotta ;)
Didn't you know that it's greener to leave British oil and gas in the ground and import it from halfway round the world instead? ??? ::)
You mean cheaper... Only until it isn't... As per the Canadian oil sands and artic ocean drilling ;)
No because you have to add the cost of shipping and in the case of natural gas the cost of liquidification as well.
Liquidification - Is that a word? :-\ Anyway, you know what I mean liquifying the stuff, which takes a lot of energy to do as well. ::)
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Even if North Sea oil and gas costs more than Vietnamese* or Middle Eastern oil and gas, the shipping costs must be less as the distances it needs to be moved at is significantly less.
Ergo, the transport cost saving should outweigh the raw material cost making it cheaper overall :-\
It was recently pointed out that if more things were produced locally (ie on the same continent) then the global supply chain would be under significantly less pressure, there would be more jobs, less pollution and, because they are working producing stuff rather than being paid to sit idly at home, there would be less stuff being ordered and therefore less demand on the global supply chain.
Doesn’t matter if you're talking USB cables, food or fuel.
*Random foreign place chosen to illustrate the point.
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I wonder what Taylor Swift is doing today...
Shaving her pussy......unless the pics were faked. 8)
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I wonder what Taylor Swift is doing today...
Shaving her pussy......unless the pics were faked. 8)
Her pussy must get chilly this time of the year. :-\
(https://i.postimg.cc/qMk211vN/baldcat.png)
:D
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Goddamn that cat* looks moody :o
At least I assume it's a cat... It could be a Gremlin with alopecia... It looks unhappy enough :-\
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Perhaps the folds of her pussy will look similar to the chest of that 'creature' 40 years from now. ;D
If so I don't want to go anywhere near it.
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Perhaps the folds of her pussy will look similar to the chest of that 'creature' 40 years from now. ;D
If so I don't want to go anywhere near it.
For a cad, you should really man up... ;D
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Bozzle has nothing on this bloke (https://youtube.com/shorts/TxZcYyJNBpg?feature=share)
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In defence of Bojo. (https://unherd.com/thepost/why-id-choose-boris-over-nicola-sturgeon/)
Although the article compares him to Wee Krankie, I think substituting her for Sir Starmer is equally applicable. ???
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The real worry is that people continue to support and elect the SNP and the socialist dictatorship masquerading as a county council, sorry, I mean government. ::)
And of course, the Beeb won't mention the fact that the bulk of the Scottish eloctorate are woke, leftie escapees from Lundun and most of Glasgows' residents are immigrants who lap up the rhetoric as long as they get free stuff. The actual Scots want independence about as much as they want to be a part of Nigeria. The SNP will only survive as long as the competition remains lacklustre.
Perhaps Duncan Bannatyne should stand at the front of a ConLab coalition to kill off the communists for once and all...