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[Doctor Gollum]

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/changes-to-hgv-and-bus-driving-tests-and-allowing-car-drivers-to-tow-a-trailer-without-an-extra-test/changes-to-hgv-and-bus-driving-tests-and-allowing-car-drivers-to-tow-a-trailer-without-an-extra-test

One question, 'Should an 18 year old be able to go straight from a B licence to a C+E with a single test?'

[Mr Skrunts]

They are taught to pass a test, they then go on to learn to drive properly.  In my day we could pass a test and go on the motorway which is something we wernt taught to do at motorway speeds.

I think a lot of the sections need extra certificatin including pulling/reversing trailers and caravans.

[Doctor Gollum]

They are taught to pass a test, they then go on to learn to drive properly.  In my day we could pass a test and go on the motorway which is something we wernt taught to do at motorway speeds.

I think a lot of the sections need extra certificatin including pulling/reversing trailers and caravans.

That's not strictly true. What's the difference between 70mph on a two lane dual carriageway and 70mph on a two lane motorway?

The answer is very little. The signs are green and the dual carriageway will potentially have roundabouts, traffic lights and crossing traffic whereas the motorway has blue signs and slip road junctions.

Arguably motorways are easier to drive on than dual carriageways.

[STEMO]

The standard of driving on the roads today, by both hgv drivers and motorists in general, cannot really get much worse. People know that they can virtually do as they like, there is no one to police it.

[Rangie]

On one of the back roads in a village not far from us the speed limit is 40 MPH several motorists were caught doing over 70MPH & seven over 100MPH in a sweep by Police after several complaints by the locals, so as Stemo says people just think rules don't apply.

[Andy B]

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One question, 'Should an 18 year old be able to go straight from a B licence to a C+E with a single test?'

Yes! You did. And so did I.
What is safer .... a car weighing 1750kg towing a trailer of 1749 or a car like mine - 2.2 tonnes towing the same trailer?

I'm not really sure what was the reason for the changes in 97/98

[Rangie]

Passed my test at 17 & then bought a 3.3 litre Vauxhall Velox towed trailers with camping equipment with it, still here to tell the tales.

[Andy B]

Passed my test at 17 & then bought a 3.3 litre Vauxhall Velox towed trailers with camping equipment with it, still here to tell the tales.

And a 17 yr old could do the same thing tomorrow as long as the train weight is less than a plated 3500kg .... the 'problem' arises if they'd wanted to tow my caravan with my ML

[Sir Tigger KC]

Given that there have been thousands of Eastern European HGV drivers plying our roads who took their test with a tractor and trailer, I can't see a problem!   

[Doctor Gollum]

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One question, 'Should an 18 year old be able to go straight from a B licence to a C+E with a single test?'

Yes! You did. And so did I.
What is safer .... a car weighing 1750kg towing a trailer of 1749 or a car like mine - 2.2 tonnes towing the same trailer?

I'm not really sure what was the reason for the changes in 97/98

Reread what I typed and report back...

Big difference between a plastic house and a 46t Artic

[STEMO]

Passed my test at 17 & then bought a 3.3 litre Vauxhall Velox towed trailers with camping equipment with it, still here to tell the tales.

I had a crest a for a while with the same engine.

[Rangie]

Passed my test at 17 & then bought a 3.3 litre Vauxhall Velox towed trailers with camping equipment with it, still here to tell the tales.

I had a crest a for a while with the same engine.

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Mine had the Hydramatic gearbox lovely car reg was CLF 410B , car cost me £160 in 1971 & £156 to insure it .

[Andy H]

I didn't realise that my C1+E entitled me to drive up to 12 tonne truck & trailer.

Got totally lost in the description of the proposal. It doesn't appear to involve any change to the HGV or PSV classes and no mention of operator licences.

[Doctor Gollum]

I didn't realise that my C1+E entitled me to drive up to 12 tonne truck & trailer.

Got totally lost in the description of the proposal. It doesn't appear to involve any change to the HGV or PSV classes and no mention of operator licences.

It probably doesn't. 107 limits you to 8,250 kgs. A separate trailer test might well give you the full entitlement, as would C+E.

I have code 107 against the C1+E, but this is superceded by my C+E. Basically can drive anything, towing anything as long as it is within the plated weight of both towing vehicle and trailer.

Operator licences are a different matter all together. The classes won't be changing. It's rather a discussion about changing how licences are attained and possibly allowing approved training schools to self certify some of the off road parts of the test such as the revering exercise. 

[Viral_Jim]

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/changes-to-hgv-and-bus-driving-tests-and-allowing-car-drivers-to-tow-a-trailer-without-an-extra-test/changes-to-hgv-and-bus-driving-tests-and-allowing-car-drivers-to-tow-a-trailer-without-an-extra-test

One question, 'Should an 18 year old be able to go straight from a B licence to a C+E with a single test?'

I guess the question could be turned around to ask whether doing a test in a transit dually to get your C1 adds anything over a car test.