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[STEMO]

No need

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-10731199/Mercedes-Vision-EQXX-electric-car-completes-626-mile-journey-single-charge.html

Once manufacturers get the hang of this battery lark, and the price of EV's starts to come down, there really shouldn't be a problem for anyone, even those who only have access to a public charging point.

[STEMO]

I'm probably talking in years, btw.

[Doctor Gollum]

They will never come down in price because the materials used to make the batteries are as finite as oil

[STEMO]

They will never come down in price because the materials used to make the batteries are as finite as oil

If you say so.

[Doctor Gollum]

A new Tesla Model S costs twice what they cost when they first came out...

[STEMO]

A new Tesla Model S costs twice what they cost when they first came out...

Things will settle down, they always do. The ban on new diesel and petrol doesn't come in for years, I reckon EV's will be a reasonable proposition by then.

[Raeturbo]

I’ve said it before, I don’t believe there will be the capacity or the infrastructure. Christ there’s not enough electric at the moment even, the greens/protesters etc and far more demand is a recipe for disaster

[Viral_Jim]

A new Tesla Model S costs twice what they cost when they first came out...

I'm pretty sure that's not true.

Motortrend has the 2013 Model S down as having and MSRP of $60,030 nor $74,090 at 2022 prices.

The 2022 model s will launch with an MSRP of $94,000.

The 2013 car had a 40kwh battery pack, the 2022 one is 100kwh, which is (a) pretty impressive given the packaging hasn't changed that much and (b) at the 2021 price of ev batteris of $132/kwh accounts for $8,000 usd of the price uplift.

[STEMO]

A new Tesla Model S costs twice what they cost when they first came out...

I'm pretty sure that's not true.

Motortrend has the 2013 Model S down as having and MSRP of $60,030 nor $74,090 at 2022 prices.

The 2022 model s will launch with an MSRP of $94,000.

The 2013 car had a 40kwh battery pack, the 2022 one is 100kwh, which is (a) pretty impressive given the packaging hasn't changed that much and (b) at the 2021 price of ev batteris of $132/kwh accounts for $8,000 usd of the price uplift.

Al doesn't check these things, and he hopes no one else will 

[STEMO]

And......back to the original link......that really impressive, even if we ignore the cost.

[Viral_Jim]

I agree. Mercedes do seem to be leading the field with big headline ranges. The EQS has not long been released to the public and that's supposedly getting up on 400miles, in a production car.

I think in a relatively short time the technology in the cars will be where it needs to be for the masses (well, those dealing with European distances anyway). It's the charging infrastructure that is harder to crack.

HGVs etc are a whole different challenge though.

[Doctor Gollum]

I considered buying one in 2014, at about £1,000 a month/ £46k plus change.

The equivalent model now is knocking on the door of £100k. It might be quicker and have more gadgets, but the range isn't significantly greater in mileage terms.

OK, cars like the Leaf have effectively dropped in price, but the car isn't a vast leap over the original.

I appreciate that James and Matt are the only two people here who have actually run EVs for any length of time, but both had use of other vehicles to cover the short comings.

[TheBoy]

2 of my colleagues had early Teslas, probably around 2014ish, back in the days when network contractors saw a Tesla as mere loose change.  Pretty damn quick they were to

However, both got shot fairly quickly, as both were struggling to get 100 miles per charge from them.

Strangely neither of these cars are showing on the road when we were messing about with the car info app before all this chinese sniffle.

I know they weren't as common as now (though by its nature, Milton Keynes always had a higher number), but you rarely/never see ones older than 3 or 4 years.  A sign of things to come?

[Viral_Jim]

Very possibly. The older ones certainly aren't known to be paradigms of reliability 

The other thing that will have weeded out a lot of older ones is the secondary market for converting classics to EV. The amount these companies charge means that the price point where a tesla becomes more economical to break for bits vs keep on the road is much higher than most/all similar ICE cars.

[Marks DTM Calib]

You have to be a bit cautious with the battery tech, and I suspect batteries are not the answer for EVs given the advances in Hydrogen that are happening.

What is interesting is the battery types being used, at the moment there is a trade off on charging speed plus price, against life (VAG having massive issues with upto double figure range loss every year on the cells!).

Our iPace has been brilliant, done a few holidays with it and with 220-250 miles real range (220 being the winter mileage), and not trying to get every last mile from it, I can't fault it......and yes its dam quick