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[omegafin]

New CID to my 2.5TD 2000 FL need paired with Tech2, Car pass is lost so do I need any codes from Car pass or is
only display index code needed ? How I change display language and Navigator's speech ?
Do I gat any Car Pass codes by Tech2 ?

[zirk]

Guessing your need to re order your car pass from your reg through a dealer

[Andy B]

New CID to my 2.5TD 2000 FL need paired with Tech2, Car pass is lost so do I need any codes from Car pass or is
only display index code needed ? How I change display language and Navigator's speech ?
Do I gat any Car Pass codes by Tech2 ?

Jamie aka The Boy will advise, but I don't think they need or use a code because they're paired to each other. Your old units will need 'divorcing' from each other with Tech II before  you 'marry' your new units. 

[omegafin]

Does radio, cd and navi really be depaided before pairing new cid
My old cid is totally dead so it won't respond and can't be depaired ?

[Andy B]

Does radio, cd and navi really be depaided before pairing new cid
My old cid is totally dead so it won't respond and can't be depaired ?

Wait for Jamie or DaveDND 

[zirk]

As far as Im aware if your old CID is furbed the it can just be removed, your new CID which should be in delivery mode can be paired to the HU via your Car Pass.

[omegafin]

cid is brand new so it is in delivery mode.

[Dave DND]

As long as the original CID was working in the car prior to going wrong, and the two CID`s are the same model / version, we can probably extract and copy the data over from the old one to the new one if you sent them both to me, which means you may not actually need a tech2 session at all - it would be plug and play.

Give me a yell if this is the case and we can discuss further.

[omegafin]

Dave , thanks for your offer, but chips are toasted due to some idiot's ( not me ) repairing attempt, so tech2 programming is needed , i am asking because Dealer Don't seem to know how to proceed excatly. ??
( but they can try ) ??

[Dave DND]

What has been done to "toast" the chips ?

Chips Reprogrammed in any way, removed from the board? Are legs missing ?

Just because the unit is fried, we still may be able to recover something from it, but would need details of exactly what had been done to destroy it

 

[omegafin]

wrong polarity or overvoltage ?? , regulator was passed too etc , anyway i don't have it anymore (wasted) took longtime to get new cid.

[Dave DND]

Car Pass / Pairing code and a Tech2 session then

 

[omegafin]

Thanks !,

So I need:

1. Security code from Car Pass.

2. CID's pairing code. Must the pairing code be the same than in old CID or Can I
     change the code according to new tires ? , And later if tire size changes new code must be
     programmed again by Tech2 ?.

3. Display language is programmed by tech2 too ?

4. Navigator's voice is set by tech2 and then I install new navi update from cd and then
new maps fom Road Mad cd ?

5. now everything should be OK or did I miss something ?

[tunnie]

Thanks !,

So I need:

1. Security code from Car Pass.

2. CID's pairing code. Must the pairing code be the same than in old CID or Can I
     change the code according to new tires ? , And later if tire size changes new code must be
     programmed again by Tech2 ?.

3. Display language is programmed by tech2 too ?

4. Navigator's voice is set by tech2 and then I install new navi update from cd and then
new maps fom Road Mad cd ?

5. now everything should be OK or did I miss something ?

No that can be done via the head unit, but it can be set with tech2 so that it defaults to english if you loose power again. 

[TheBoy]

You need the pairing code used to pair the NCDC, CDC3, Telematics (if applicable) and CID.  If it was factory fitted, and unmolested, this will be on the car's carpass.  However, I doubt it was factory fitted - but can check from registration.

If you don't have pairing code, then, assuming it was all properly paired beforehand, I can decode it, and then pair in new CID.

[omegafin]

You need the pairing code used to pair the NCDC, CDC3, Telematics (if applicable) and CID.  If it was factory fitted, and unmolested, this will be on the car's carpass.  However, I doubt it was factory fitted - but can check from registration.

If you don't have pairing code, then, assuming it was all properly paired beforehand, I can decode it, and then pair in new CID.

NCDC 2013 + CID + NAVI are factory fitted

So pairing code is not same as display code ?
Pairing code is in Car pass ? ( my pass is lost )
So I have to order naw pass ?

so where these display codes are needed

http://www.opel-infos.de/downloads/omega_b_display.pdf

And where instrument code is needed ( you can select kmh/mph )
but why tires are involved in both codes ??

http://www.opel-infos.de/downloads/omega_b_instrument.pdf

[TheBoy]

Code Index (programming config) has absolutely nothing to do with security pairing codes.

If the NCDC is factory fitted, and hasn't been changed/swapped/buggered about with, the pairing code is the immobiliser PIN, which is on the carpass if you do not know it.

[omegafin]

Code Index (programming config) has absolutely nothing to do with security pairing codes.

If the NCDC is factory fitted, and hasn't been changed/swapped/buggered about with, the pairing code is the immobiliser PIN, which is on the carpass if you do not know it.

OK 

My pass is lost so I order new tomorrow....

So after pairing display-codes are needed for right speed and fuel consumption ?

[TheBoy]

Code Index (programming config) has absolutely nothing to do with security pairing codes.

If the NCDC is factory fitted, and hasn't been changed/swapped/buggered about with, the pairing code is the immobiliser PIN, which is on the carpass if you do not know it.

OK 

My pass is lost so I order new tomorrow....

So after pairing display-codes are needed for right speed and fuel consumption ?

The code index (there is no such thing as display-codes) needs to be correct for your car, engine, gearbox, HIDs, preheater etc, or will report false info.

[omegafin]

My Omega was in tech programming today.
They managed to program fuel consuption etc and bose display. But cid is still displaying display safe they said that they cant programm it away and shoud take hours to examine the fault and the old  cid should had unpaired first.

The old cid was totally broken so there was no chance to unpair it and the new cid is brand new ie. Never programmed.

Seems that they dont really know how to pair the new cid , as they said thay have never done it and the Service is one of the biggest here ?

Can someone tell the right procedure and tech paths so i can give them the right instructions. 

Thanks

[Dave DND]

Vx should not have any troubles programming in a NEW CID, its only the unpaired ones that they should struggle with.

However, I can probably still retrieve and transfer the data from the broken CID to the New CID if both of them are sent to me

Give me a yell for more info if needed

[omegafin]

Vx should not have any troubles programming in a NEW CID, its only the unpaired ones that they should struggle with.

However, I can probably still retrieve and transfer the data from the broken CID to the New CID if both of them are sent to me

Give me a yell for more info if needed

Thanks Dave but
I don' have the old cid anymore 

 I agree that programming should be easy with new cid
Problem is that even they have tech they don't know
how to use it and this problem is not profitable for them.

[feeutfo]

Is it possible to get the system into safe mode with tech 2 if a component(CID) is missing?

even if the code is present?

[TheBoy]

My Omega was in tech programming today.
They managed to program fuel consuption etc and bose display. But cid is still displaying display safe they said that they cant programm it away and shoud take hours to examine the fault and the old  cid should had unpaired first.

The old cid was totally broken so there was no chance to unpair it and the new cid is brand new ie. Never programmed.

Seems that they dont really know how to pair the new cid , as they said thay have never done it and the Service is one of the biggest here ?

Can someone tell the right procedure and tech paths so i can give them the right instructions. 

Thanks

Judging by your IP, you are not local to me

If the new CID is in delivery mode, and:

NCDC2013 and CD Changer

or

NCDC2015 and CD Changer and Telematics

were all correctly paired with each other, and to the old, broken CID (and the pairing code is known!!), this is a fairly trivial task that any dealer should be able to do.

If the above conditions are not met, you are in a whole world of pain

[Dave DND]

Problem is that even they have tech they don't know
how to use it and this problem is not profitable for them.

If this is a genuine franchised Vx main dealer, then a call to the national Vx customer service is called for and ask them to explain why they are not training the franchised dealers, and why the franchised dealership do not find in financially viable to assist you.

[TheBoy]

Problem is that even they have tech they don't know
how to use it and this problem is not profitable for them.

If this is a genuine franchised Vx main dealer, then a call to the national Vx customer service is called for and ask them to explain why they are not training the franchised dealers, and why the franchised dealership do not find in financially viable to assist you.

Only in this case, it would likely be an Opel dealership

[omegafin]

Problem is that even they have tech they don't know
how to use it and this problem is not profitable for them.

If this is a genuine franchised Vx main dealer, then a call to the national Vx customer service is called for and ask them to explain why they are not training the franchised dealers, and why the franchised dealership do not find in financially viable to assist you.

Only in this case, it would likely be an Opel dealership

 Yes I live in far far North    so it is Opel . And good point just called GM info and they promised to get it sorted !!
But may take couple of days ...
 

[Dave DND]

For the record, any "Franchised" dealership will often get a monumentous rollicking if they are reported to the National / Main Customer service department for failing to assist a customer in this way.

Glad to hear you have made some progress, keep us all informed how you get on.

 

[TheBoy]

Problem is that even they have tech they don't know
how to use it and this problem is not profitable for them.

If this is a genuine franchised Vx main dealer, then a call to the national Vx customer service is called for and ask them to explain why they are not training the franchised dealers, and why the franchised dealership do not find in financially viable to assist you.

Only in this case, it would likely be an Opel dealership

 Yes I live in far far North    so it is Opel . And good point just called GM info and they promised to get it sorted !!
But may take couple of days ...

Its a trivial task that takes about 2 mins...  ...including getting all the Tech2 out, and waiting for it to start up!

[omegafin]

Problem is that even they have tech they don't know
how to use it and this problem is not profitable for them.

If this is a genuine franchised Vx main dealer, then a call to the national Vx customer service is called for and ask them to explain why they are not training the franchised dealers, and why the franchised dealership do not find in financially viable to assist you.

Only in this case, it would likely be an Opel dealership

 Yes I live in far far North    so it is Opel . And good point just called GM info and they promised to get it sorted !!
But may take couple of days ...

I got the call from GM today but not much progress , they said that they don't give any information for Dealers and
it is Dealers duty to ask the information from Germany if they don't know how to do it.
So dealer is now asked to get the right information and then they call me back and then they try programm it again

But seems thet they belive more dealers words than mine : 

Service report was :

"Display safe" sill in display. We can't connet to radio. Radio and display are communicating and likely old dislplay must have reset from radio before changing new and only then radio allows new display to work. We can investigate this problem but it will take more time. First we should find out why we can't connect to the rado.

Is this bullshit, or can radio really be not connectable ?? anyway they managed to programm Bose and consumpiton ?

[TheBoy]

Seen it before when you cannot get the tech2 to talk to NCDC.  Usually pulling the NCDC out for a couple of hours cures this.  But rare.

[omegafin]

Seen it before when you cannot get the tech2 to talk to NCDC.  Usually pulling the NCDC out for a couple of hours cures this.  But rare.

Pulling radio out is not same than disconnetcting battery for 2 hours ?

But they got the Bose logo programmed I have thought that its is shown only when radio is programmed to Bose-mode
so the radio's output levels are set right for Bose amp. So they have maneged to connect Radio then ??
Or can logo be programmed without connection to radio ?

[TheBoy]

Seen it before when you cannot get the tech2 to talk to NCDC.  Usually pulling the NCDC out for a couple of hours cures this.  But rare.

Pulling radio out is not same than disconnetcting battery for 2 hours ?

But they got the Bose logo programmed I have thought that its is shown only when radio is programmed to Bose-mode
so the radio's output levels are set right for Bose amp. So they have maneged to connect Radio then ??
Or can logo be programmed without connection to radio ?

The Bose logo is when you programm the CID for Bose. The radio is programmed seperately.

[omegafin]

Seen it before when you cannot get the tech2 to talk to NCDC.  Usually pulling the NCDC out for a couple of hours cures this.  But rare.

I got "My Naff Code Reader" and tried to connect to radio , cid , cd  an gps :

Radio : pin 7 first but tries other pins too - no connect

cd :pin 7 first but tries other pins too - no connect

gps : pin 8 first but tries other pins too - no connect

CID  : pin 8 connect OK , in delivery mode , id: 24459629,1599,1201,0707,046,1
i think the first is cid's GM number but old and new is 24439378 why ?

then gives fault 191-can bus max config - list not present

I will remove the Radio for a day,  when I find my Radio removal tools .....

[TheBoy]

Radio - Pin 7
CD - Pin 7
Display - Pin 8
(there is no GPS module for this setup)

I've seen the CD (NCDx setups only) go a bit wonky on the diagnostics line, stopping comms with *anything* on the same diags line, such as Engine ECU.  Oddly enough, often after "My Naff Code Reader" has been talking to it.

Cure seems to be removal of CD changer for a while (so pulling out the stereo in your case for a couple of hours).


To be honest, "My Naff Code Reader" seems a bit dangerous with NCDC setup, probably best avoided. Best kept away from key programming for similar reasons as well. Stick to dealer equipment for these tasks.

[omegafin]

Radio - Pin 7
CD - Pin 7
Display - Pin 8
(there is no GPS module for this setup)

I've seen the CD (NCDx setups only) go a bit wonky on the diagnostics line, stopping comms with *anything* on the same diags line, such as Engine ECU.  Oddly enough, often after "My Naff Code Reader" has been talking to it.

Cure seems to be removal of CD changer for a while (so pulling out the stereo in your case for a couple of hours).


To be honest, "My Naff Code Reader" seems a bit dangerous with NCDC setup, probably best avoided. Best kept away from key programming for similar reasons as well. Stick to dealer equipment for these tasks.

If i remember right I managed to connect vai pin 7 to elect. air con ? first i thought that pin 7 is loose from diagconnector

I won't use "My Naff Code Reader" for programming for sure , too risky .
but now i see fault codes and when radio wakes up.....

what is the 191 fault code

[TheBoy]

Radio - Pin 7
CD - Pin 7
Display - Pin 8
(there is no GPS module for this setup)

I've seen the CD (NCDx setups only) go a bit wonky on the diagnostics line, stopping comms with *anything* on the same diags line, such as Engine ECU.  Oddly enough, often after "My Naff Code Reader" has been talking to it.

Cure seems to be removal of CD changer for a while (so pulling out the stereo in your case for a couple of hours).


To be honest, "My Naff Code Reader" seems a bit dangerous with NCDC setup, probably best avoided. Best kept away from key programming for similar reasons as well. Stick to dealer equipment for these tasks.

I won't use "My Naff Code Reader" for programming for sure , too risky .
but now i see fault codes and when radio wakes up.....

what is the 191 fault code

Misconfigured.

[omegafin]

I removed the radio and think I found the fault 

Diag crimp terminal in radio cage is too deep or bent somehow so it won't connect to radio.

( Looks brown in pic upper plug , mid row , 3 from left )

So how I remove the metal cage and where to get new crimp terminal ? this is smaller than normal iso terminals.



http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/96/24012012031b.jpg/

[TheBoy]

Its a standard size, and decent car stereo place should stock.

[Dave DND]

If asking at a local car audio shop, the smaller pins at the top are referred to as "Mini ISO" unlike the larger pins in the middle and bottom that are "Standard ISO"

 

Shout if you are still struggling for pins, as I will be having another delivery at the end of the month