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Title: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: The Red Baron on 18 April 2012, 16:27:44
Collected all the gaskets from vaux today(ouch) so started to strip the lpg estate. boy there aint half alot more stuff to take out with it having lpg on it. :o
looks like the coolant bridge has been leaking aswell, not to mention the cam covers.
spent nearly half as much as i paid for it on repairs, only had the bugger four months. :(
ahh well, onwards & upwards as they say. :y
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: Webby the Bear on 18 April 2012, 16:29:43
Maaaaate, any chance you are keeping a photo diary of the works and post on here? Would be soooooo useful  :y :y :y
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: The Red Baron on 18 April 2012, 16:33:51
james has done a good write up in the maint section but lacking phots, yes i will take some. :y
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: Webby the Bear on 18 April 2012, 16:34:45
james has done a good write up in the maint section but lacking phots, yes i will take some. :y

i agree he has but as you say no photos. nice one mate ;)
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: Webby the Bear on 18 April 2012, 16:39:57
ps, you ever done a HG Baron? how long are you giving yourself to do the job? :)
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: omega3000 on 18 April 2012, 16:44:44
Collected all the gaskets from vaux today(ouch) so started to strip the lpg estate. boy there aint half alot more stuff to take out with it having lpg on it. :o
looks like the coolant bridge has been leaking aswell, not to mention the cam covers.
spent nearly half as much as i paid for it on repairs, only had the bugger four months. :(
ahh well, onwards & upwards as they say. :y

I was shocked at the condition of my bridge bolt seals , almost worn and perished right through ..also leaking  :o
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: The Red Baron on 18 April 2012, 16:46:26
ps, you ever done a HG Baron? how long are you giving yourself to do the job? :)
yes i have, mind you it was on a v6 essex engine out my 3.0l capri back in 1992. ::)
shouldnt be a problem to me tbh, ex mechanic anyway.
ive plenty of time to do it, having to work round schooltimes so will be limited.
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: Webby the Bear on 18 April 2012, 16:51:23
nice one mate well good luck.
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 18 April 2012, 16:57:54
ps, you ever done a HG Baron? how long are you giving yourself to do the job? :)

It takes a long day to do plus any time required for work on the heads (e.g. stem seals etc)
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: The Red Baron on 18 April 2012, 17:00:25
ps, you ever done a HG Baron? how long are you giving yourself to do the job? :)

It takes a long day to do plus any time required for work on the heads (e.g. stem seals etc)
not doing the stem seals tbh, doesnt smoke & its only done 80k.
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: plym ian on 18 April 2012, 19:42:07
ps, you ever done a HG Baron? how long are you giving yourself to do the job? :)

It takes a long day to do plus any time required for work on the heads (e.g. stem seals etc)
not doing the stem seals tbh, doesnt smoke & its only done 80k.
yeah but while it out you may as well :)
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: Andy B on 18 April 2012, 23:03:11
ps, you ever done a HG Baron? how long are you giving yourself to do the job? :)

It takes a long day to do plus any time required for work on the heads (e.g. stem seals etc)
not doing the stem seals tbh, doesnt smoke & its only done 80k.
yeah but while it out you may as well :)

I agree. At a guess about £30 for the seals, and while the valves are out you might as well lap the seats in.  :y :y :y :y
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: Webby the Bear on 19 April 2012, 08:59:17
ETCG preaches preventative maintenance. it's a good idea as thats obviously a huge job.

whats the hardest part of a HG job in your opinions? :)
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: ngrainqey on 19 April 2012, 09:11:21
undoing the head bolts :P
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: Webby the Bear on 19 April 2012, 09:14:18
undoing the head bolts :P

how come?
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: The Red Baron on 19 April 2012, 11:08:08
undoing the head bolts :P
nah, 2 foot breaker bar seems to do the job tbh.
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: Rods2 on 19 April 2012, 19:18:28
ETCG preaches preventative maintenance. it's a good idea as thats obviously a huge job.

whats the hardest part of a HG job in your opinions? :)

Biggest problem I had was a rounded nut on the nearside exhaust manifold to exhaust pipe, It was a pig grinding the nut away on one side before I manged to loosen it.  There was no room, so ended up using a small modeling drill with a flexible shaft to which was tapped a piece of bamboo cane, so I could reach the bolt. >:( >:( >:( Swear box filled and emptied several times before it was sorted.

Crank auxiliary belt sprocket, was well rusted on and took a fair bit of shifting. I used a couple of G-clamps and some wood, where I don't have a puller, along with some help from 'Micky mallet'. Micky mallet was also a big help with removing the water pump, On re-assembly I put a very thin smear of copper ease on both of these.

Everything else is just awkward, by far the worst car I've worked on in this respect. Bolting the cooling pipe onto the back of the offside head, certainly filled the swear box up, along with the bastard bolt. Putting the nearside engine cable run box back on with the cables run correctly requires patience and a few more coins in the swear box. Bolting the earth cables back onto the coil pack base was another swear box filler.  ::) ::) ::)

To sum up: Everything gets in the way of everything else!   :o :o :o
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: RobseyMV6 on 19 April 2012, 22:00:18
I feel for you, just droped my rebuild 3.0 back in this evening, skim/heads cleaned and all 24 V reset with seals, can't say i want to start over again  :-\

I picked up all gaskets from motor factor with bolts £151 Must say the head gasket red line on outter covers much more then the vauxhall one and better!!

Just want it finished now but will be running shortly now again.

Good luck  :y
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: The Red Baron on 19 April 2012, 22:04:37
cheers rob.  :y
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: RobseyMV6 on 19 April 2012, 22:11:34
cheers rob.  :y

tips from me would be don't pull the V spring down to much just enough to pull the collits on or you will damage you V stem seals also head bolts nm them then mark with tip ex all pointing back of engine then you know for sure your 90 90 90 15

Better you already knew that though  :y
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: The Red Baron on 19 April 2012, 22:19:28
cheers rob.  :y

tips from me would be don't pull the V spring down to much just enough to pull the collits on or you will damage you V stem seals also head bolts nm them then mark with tip ex all pointing back of engine then you know for sure your 90 90 90 15

Better you already knew that though  :y
forgot about that trick, & there was me going to buy a proper gauge, as thats the only tool i havent got. :y
cheers.
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: The Red Baron on 19 April 2012, 22:21:42
cheers rob.  :y

tips from me would be don't pull the V spring down to much just enough to pull the collits on or you will damage you V stem seals also head bolts nm them then mark with tip ex all pointing back of engine then you know for sure your 90 90 90 15

Better you already knew that though  :y
forgot about that trick, & there was me going to buy a proper gauge, as thats the only tool i havent got. :y
cheers.
to be honest its been 20 years since i did any big work on engines, a little rusty now maybe. ::)
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: RobseyMV6 on 19 April 2012, 22:22:42
cheers rob.  :y

tips from me would be don't pull the V spring down to much just enough to pull the collits on or you will damage you V stem seals also head bolts nm them then mark with tip ex all pointing back of engine then you know for sure your 90 90 90 15

Better you already knew that though  :y
forgot about that trick, & there was me going to buy a proper gauge, as thats the only tool i havent got. :y
cheers.

Never worked for me, can use to but good to white mark just in case you forget what one you have done and haven't....  ::)

easy done

Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: The Red Baron on 19 April 2012, 22:27:10
cheers rob.  :y

tips from me would be don't pull the V spring down to much just enough to pull the collits on or you will damage you V stem seals also head bolts nm them then mark with tip ex all pointing back of engine then you know for sure your 90 90 90 15

Better you already knew that though  :y
forgot about that trick, & there was me going to buy a proper gauge, as thats the only tool i havent got. :y
cheers.

Never worked for me, can use to but good to white mark just in case you forget what one you have done and haven't....  ::)

easy done
will do, taking my time with it anyway tbh.
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: Rods2 on 19 April 2012, 23:15:31
I must admit I bought a gauge as only a few pounds. Don't forget the cam sprockets use stretch bolts and these should be replaced.
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: Webby the Bear on 20 April 2012, 13:24:20
is it wise do you think to literally change everything on a HG replacement bearing in mind it sounds like the whole engine is stripped to the bare bones?

im talking cambelt, water pump, stat etc etc obviously within monetary reasonability
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: Elite Pete on 20 April 2012, 13:30:27
is it wise do you think to literally change everything on a HG replacement bearing in mind it sounds like the whole engine is stripped to the bare bones?

im talking cambelt, water pump, stat etc etc obviously within monetary reasonability

It all depends when they were last done and how many miles you do a year I suppose
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: Webby the Bear on 20 April 2012, 13:50:51
cheers pete.

so does the timing belt and timing cogs all have to come off i take it?
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: Elite Pete on 20 April 2012, 13:54:05
cheers pete.

so does the timing belt and timing cogs all have to come off i take it?

Yep ;)
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: Webby the Bear on 20 April 2012, 13:57:06
cheers pete.

so does the timing belt and timing cogs all have to come off i take it?

Yep ;)

in that case then i may consider practising the hg job... and then do the timing belt. time saver.
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: Elite Pete on 20 April 2012, 13:59:55
cheers pete.

so does the timing belt and timing cogs all have to come off i take it?

Yep ;)
You shouldn't need to do the head gasket on yours, its only the yr98 built Omegas that seem to suffer HG problems
in that case then i may consider practising the hg job... and then do the timing belt. time saver.
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: Webby the Bear on 20 April 2012, 14:03:14
oh yeah it dont need doing..... but i wanted to practise the job ;)
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: ngrainqey on 20 April 2012, 17:37:19
undoing the head bolts :P
nah, 2 foot breaker bar seems to do the job tbh.

i had a foot long wrench with the engine on the floor last time i took heads off, i was turning the engine round on the floor so had to stand over it holding it with my feet/legs and turn it at the same time, think the back 2 on each bank mean you chaffe your hand with the engine in the car otherwise would say the passenger exhaust manifold bolts are a pita
personally i've never had a problem with the "b*stard bolt" lol
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: Webby the Bear on 20 April 2012, 19:43:32
I have heard about the notorioty of this b**tard bolt and i've even seen a pic of it. but what is the bolt keeping together? is it an engine mount?
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: RobseyMV6 on 20 April 2012, 21:12:03
Another tip of the day on V6 omega eninges only take nut from underside passager eingine mount and both top and bottom nuts on drivers side mount, plus no need to take wire loom off on starter and alternator just unplug near battery, saves A LOT of hassle in my eye's lift out with engine  :y
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: RobseyMV6 on 21 April 2012, 10:58:04
Leave the pas pump with the car just undo it and push to the side, messy job other way, can do same with a/c pump to if gased up.
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: The Red Baron on 23 April 2012, 16:56:11
ive delved a little deeper today, after locking the cams.....look how far the crank is out  :o no bloomin wonder it was gutless. i wont tell you who did the last cambelt change....yet :-*
(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp16/jonthenut_bucket/23042012.jpg)

(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp16/jonthenut_bucket/23042012003.jpg)

(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp16/jonthenut_bucket/23042012002.jpg)

talk about being sold a lemon. :-X
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: Kevin Wood on 23 April 2012, 17:09:39
Hmm. That's got to be at least a tooth out, maybe 2. :o

Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: The Red Baron on 23 April 2012, 17:11:31
Hmm. That's got to be at least a tooth out, maybe 2. :o

prob 2. will tell you better in the morning.
however, the guy that fitted this is supposed to be an able mechanic on here. i dont think i would use him tbh.
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: albitz on 23 April 2012, 17:12:20
I have heard about the notorioty of this b**tard bolt and i've even seen a pic of it. but what is the bolt keeping together? is it an engine mount?

It holds the coolant transfer pipe in place.The pipe is a push fit into the thermostat and then the bolt keeps it there.
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 23 April 2012, 22:26:37
Hmm. That's got to be at least a tooth out, maybe 2. :o

prob 2. will tell you better in the morning.
however, the guy that fitted this is supposed to be an able mechanic on here. i dont think i would use him tbh.

I don't think the guy we're talking about will ever post here again, though, or offer his services?   :-\
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: The Red Baron on 23 April 2012, 22:46:47
Hmm. That's got to be at least a tooth out, maybe 2. :o

prob 2. will tell you better in the morning.
however, the guy that fitted this is supposed to be an able mechanic on here. i dont think i would use him tbh.

I don't think the guy we're talking about will ever post here again, though, or offer his services?   :-\

ok, just been bought to my attention that the offender was infact a mr wellung.......say no more on that one.
hope no-one got the wrong end of the stick. ;)
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 23 April 2012, 22:49:32
Hmm. That's got to be at least a tooth out, maybe 2. :o

prob 2. will tell you better in the morning.
however, the guy that fitted this is supposed to be an able mechanic on here. i dont think i would use him tbh.

I don't think the guy we're talking about will ever post here again, though, or offer his services?   :-\

ok, just been bought to my attention that the offender was infact a mr wellung.......say no more on that one.
hope no-one got the wrong end of the stick. ;)

Dave's original for sale ad is a little confusing (bless him :D) because it lists a whole load of work, Eg, cambelt, gaskets, servicing, and LPG work - and states it was done "by Wellung666 and JamesV6CDX"

What it should actually say, is that the cambelt and service was done by Mr Wellung666....

.... the car then subsequently was delivered to me, because when this service and cambelt occured, LPG wiring was trapped against the exhaust and burnt - this was the only issue I investigated (and resolved).

I was never involved in the timing belt installation.

Thanks for the clarification :y
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: Webby the Bear on 24 April 2012, 09:10:24
I won't be able to see these pics as i'm at work and pics aren't viewable :( have to wait to get the laptop back from mummy bear :(

however, as i'm nearing the start of the timing belt job i thought i may as well post the Q that's been annoying me for a while lol

in the video when mark looks at the timing to see where it's at at the moment he turns the crank and brings the timing cogs nearly up to the mark on the casing. then attaches the crank locking tool which holds on to the water pump. fine, i understand that.

however, he then says that the 1 & 2 cogs are slightly retarded..... but the lines were matched up so was he looking at a marking on the crank?

once again i'd like to point out that the video is awesome and this is just me (as well as cogs 1 & 2) being retarded  ;D
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: omega3000 on 24 April 2012, 09:16:25
I won't be able to see these pics as i'm at work and pics aren't viewable :( have to wait to get the laptop back from mummy bear :(

however, as i'm nearing the start of the timing belt job i thought i may as well post the Q that's been annoying me for a while lol

in the video when mark looks at the timing to see where it's at at the moment he turns the crank and brings the timing cogs nearly up to the mark on the casing. then attaches the crank locking tool which holds on to the water pump. fine, i understand that.

however, he then says that the 1 & 2 cogs are slightly retarded..... but the lines were matched up so was he looking at a marking on the crank?

once again i'd like to point out that the video is awesome and this is just me (as well as cogs 1 & 2) being retarded  ;D

Never done this job yet and wondered what that clamp was for , interesting seeing it being done and the findings  :y
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: The Red Baron on 24 April 2012, 20:41:32
Hmm. That's got to be at least a tooth out, maybe 2. :o

prob 2. will tell you better in the morning.
however, the guy that fitted this is supposed to be an able mechanic on here. i dont think i would use him tbh.

was actually 1 tooth out on all cams.
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 24 April 2012, 20:51:22
Hmm. That's got to be at least a tooth out, maybe 2. :o

prob 2. will tell you better in the morning.
however, the guy that fitted this is supposed to be an able mechanic on here. i dont think i would use him tbh.

was actually 1 tooth out on all cams.

Yep that's what I thought when I saw the pic of the tool near the water pump - that movement would equate to around one tooth.

I expect what happened was, the mechanic had routed the belt, fitted the lower idler, and whilst doing so transferred the slack from the tensioner side, over to the lower idler side, making it a tooth out on the crank - hence affecting all cams.

It's a mistake I made when I was first learning, a few years ago. (Only, I turned it over by hand, realised the mistake, and corrected it  ::) )


Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: The Red Baron on 24 April 2012, 21:00:15
sounds about right james. did the same on my 1st. tbh, i give them plenty of hand cranking for peace of mind, doesnt do any harm double & double checking again imho. :y
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 24 April 2012, 21:02:00
sounds about right james. did the same on my 1st. tbh, i give them plenty of hand cranking for peace of mind, doesnt do any harm double & double checking again imho. :y

Hard to see online mate, but I'm not sure the position of the tensioner looked to clever, either...

At least now, you'll be able to put it right, and you still have a newish cambelt kit on there :y
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: The Red Baron on 24 April 2012, 21:04:40
sounds about right james. did the same on my 1st. tbh, i give them plenty of hand cranking for peace of mind, doesnt do any harm double & double checking again imho. :y

Hard to see online mate, but I'm not sure the position of the tensioner looked to clever, either...

At least now, you'll be able to put it right, and you still have a newish cambelt kit on there :y

strange you say that, i think it wrong aswell.
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: The Red Baron on 25 April 2012, 22:17:22
shouldnt the backing plate for the cambelt tensioner be marked up EB for a 99 3.0l, not 01?.
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 27 April 2012, 13:29:33
shouldnt the backing plate for the cambelt tensioner be marked up EB for a 99 3.0l, not 01?.

No, it'll be the 01 on a 1999 3.0 model :y
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: The Red Baron on 27 April 2012, 15:51:42
shouldnt the backing plate for the cambelt tensioner be marked up EB for a 99 3.0l, not 01?.

No, it'll be the 01 on a 1999 3.0 model :y

ta.  :y
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: blackviper90210 on 28 April 2012, 09:19:44
ive delved a little deeper today, after locking the cams.....look how far the crank is out  :o no bloomin wonder it was gutless. i wont tell you who did the last cambelt change....yet :-*
(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp16/jonthenut_bucket/23042012.jpg)

(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp16/jonthenut_bucket/23042012003.jpg)

(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp16/jonthenut_bucket/23042012002.jpg)

talk about being sold a lemon. :-X

Hi Jon, I never knowingly sold this car to you, with the problems mate :-[

I had all the work done by an "OOFer" mechanic, as I know jack about engines etc. I trusted the guy to do the job and believed he'd done it right!

I've been shafted twice dealing with other members and it's not nice, so I for sure would NOT do it to someone else!   Especially as we were meeting up every month for a meet etc, that would be completely stupid to try and rip someone off then stick around!!

For what it's worth I'm sorry you've had the problems mate, I really am :(

Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: Webby the Bear on 28 April 2012, 21:40:38
Hi guys,

Right, on my home computer where I can see these pics. love them ;)

however, how are guys telling that the timings out just from these pics?

:)
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: albitz on 28 April 2012, 23:29:01
The cams are sitting in the correct position with the cam locks in place.The locking tool is screwed onto the crankshaft and it should be sitting snugly against the water pump,which it clearly isnt.Rotate the crank to get the tool against the water pump and all 4 cams are going to move out of position. :y
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: The Red Baron on 29 April 2012, 00:20:36
Hi guys,

Right, on my home computer where I can see these pics. love them ;)

however, how are guys telling that the timings out just from these pics?

:)

i do have more pics showing the cams out with the crank locked, just havent uploaded as yet. :y
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: The Red Baron on 29 April 2012, 19:23:15
a few more pics for you webby.  :y
(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp16/jonthenut_bucket/25042012003.jpg)

(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp16/jonthenut_bucket/25042012005.jpg)

(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp16/jonthenut_bucket/25042012006.jpg)

(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp16/jonthenut_bucket/25042012007.jpg)

(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp16/jonthenut_bucket/25042012008.jpg)
 :y
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: Rods2 on 29 April 2012, 20:06:23
On which side had the head gasket gone?
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: Lazydocker on 29 April 2012, 20:29:42
Hi Jon, I never knowingly sold this car to you, with the problems mate :-[

I had all the work done by an "OOFer" mechanic, as I know jack about engines etc. I trusted the guy to do the job and believed he'd done it right!

I've been shafted twice dealing with other members and it's not nice, so I for sure would NOT do it to someone else!   Especially as we were meeting up every month for a meet etc, that would be completely stupid to try and rip someone off then stick around!!

For what it's worth I'm sorry you've had the problems mate, I really am :(

I missed this... I don't think Jon was actually blaming you as he knows you didn't do the maintenance ;)
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: albitz on 29 April 2012, 20:30:24
I hope youve kept all those cam caps in the correct order. ;)
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 29 April 2012, 20:59:06
I hope youve kept all those cam caps in the correct order. ;)

They are individualy marked anyway  :y
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 29 April 2012, 21:03:21
I won't be able to see these pics as i'm at work and pics aren't viewable :( have to wait to get the laptop back from mummy bear :(

however, as i'm nearing the start of the timing belt job i thought i may as well post the Q that's been annoying me for a while lol

in the video when mark looks at the timing to see where it's at at the moment he turns the crank and brings the timing cogs nearly up to the mark on the casing. then attaches the crank locking tool which holds on to the water pump. fine, i understand that.

however, he then says that the 1 & 2 cogs are slightly retarded..... but the lines were matched up so was he looking at a marking on the crank?

once again i'd like to point out that the video is awesome and this is just me (as well as cogs 1 & 2) being retarded  ;D

Simples, when fitting a new kit the idlers are initialy positioned so that the cams are slightly retarded with respect to the crank, the idlers are then adjusted to advance the belt timing to get it bang on.  :y

I am very fussy when it comes to doing the timing and often check it two or three times.....if you do this then you dont get the error that can be seen in this thread.  :y
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: The Red Baron on 29 April 2012, 21:14:51
On which side had the head gasket gone?
as you can see in the pic, no1 piston is very clean, however the rear pot on the pass side was full of coolant & the gasket gone big time.
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: The Red Baron on 29 April 2012, 21:15:56
I hope youve kept all those cam caps in the correct order. ;)

They are individualy marked anyway  :y
i have but as mark states they are marked up anyway. :y
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: albitz on 29 April 2012, 21:22:31
I never knew that.  :-\
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Post by: The Red Baron on 29 April 2012, 21:37:06
I never knew that.  :-\
he he. ::)
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Post by: twiglet on 29 April 2012, 21:41:50
I never knew that.  :-\

Even I knew that!  ::) ;D :P
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Post by: Rods2 on 29 April 2012, 23:23:49
On which side had the head gasket gone?
as you can see in the pic, no1 piston is very clean, however the rear pot on the pass side was full of coolant & the gasket gone big time.

Similar to what I found on mine, with the near side rear, very bad and the middle cylinder on the same side had gone as well but not as badly. Is there any pitting on the head from the water ingress?
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Post by: The Red Baron on 30 April 2012, 18:32:42
cams back in the pass head now, a slow job but i have no rush tbh. all looking good up to now. :y
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Post by: The Red Baron on 01 May 2012, 16:45:55
both heads and all cams in, now for the front end rebuild.
need a new diss pack tbh, its all cracked & split.
 :y
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Post by: Webby the Bear on 01 May 2012, 20:57:05
Only just my laptop back thank god.

love the pics RB. Just so i get this right, the thing the cam shafts sit in is ''the head'', right? then the head gasket between that and the cylinders?

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Post by: RobG on 01 May 2012, 20:59:35
Only just my laptop back thank god.

love the pics RB. Just so i get this right, the thing the cam shafts sit in is ''the head'', right? then the head gasket between that and the cylinders?
:y
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Post by: Webby the Bear on 01 May 2012, 21:10:24
Cheers Rob  :y
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Post by: Webby the Bear on 01 May 2012, 21:13:36
Ps, has anyone got a close up of the crank pulley clearly showing the mark that should be at 6 o'clock when the cams are in the right place?

Looking at these pics I can't wait to strip ralf naked so i can see all this  :y
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Post by: The Red Baron on 01 May 2012, 21:16:02
Ps, has anyone got a close up of the crank pulley clearly showing the mark that should be at 6 o'clock when the cams are in the right place?

Looking at these pics I can't wait to strip ralf naked so i can see all this  :y
:o really.
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Post by: Webby the Bear on 01 May 2012, 21:19:44
Ps, has anyone got a close up of the crank pulley clearly showing the mark that should be at 6 o'clock when the cams are in the right place?

Looking at these pics I can't wait to strip ralf naked so i can see all this  :y
:o really.

Well ''Ralf The Car'' as opposed to our very own sheep-loving welsh OOF member  ::) ;D
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Post by: The Red Baron on 01 May 2012, 21:23:08
 :D
i do have more pics for you webby, when ive uploaded them. :y
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Post by: Webby the Bear on 01 May 2012, 21:55:57
:D
i do have more pics for you webby, when ive uploaded them. :y

Cheers mate, i find it really interesting so please do keep them coming.

Quick Q..... are the v6's ''Dual Over Head Cam''? I initially thought ''quad OHC'' due to the engine having 4 camshafts but i think it refers to camshafts PER BANK... therefore making it DOHC..... if that makes sense  :D
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Post by: The Red Baron on 01 May 2012, 22:02:12
2 cams per head on v6. :y
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Post by: Webby the Bear on 01 May 2012, 22:06:09
2 cams per head on v6. :y

so is it DOHC or QOHC?  :)
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Post by: Entwood on 01 May 2012, 22:06:29
:D
i do have more pics for you webby, when ive uploaded them. :y

Cheers mate, i find it really interesting so please do keep them coming.

Quick Q..... are the v6's ''Dual Over Head Cam''? I initially thought ''quad OHC'' due to the engine having 4 camshafts but i think it refers to camshafts PER BANK... therefore making it DOHC..... if that makes sense  :D

Double Over Head Camshafts -DOHC - usually refers to the fact that the exhaust cams are on a different shaft to the inlet cams, as an old fashioned Single OHC would have all the cams on the one shaft.

As the V6 has separate shafts for inlet and exhaust it is referred to as DOHC even though there are, as you say, actually 4 cam shafts.

Quad Cam Shafts implies that each cylinder has 4 valves and each valve has its own camshaft.. :)

HTH . :)
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Post by: The Red Baron on 01 May 2012, 22:20:52
heres a few for you webby.  :y

(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp16/jonthenut_bucket/01052012.jpg)

(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp16/jonthenut_bucket/01052012001.jpg)

cleaned the front a little.
(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp16/jonthenut_bucket/01052012002.jpg)

 :)
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Post by: Webby the Bear on 01 May 2012, 22:21:38
:D
i do have more pics for you webby, when ive uploaded them. :y

Cheers mate, i find it really interesting so please do keep them coming.

Quick Q..... are the v6's ''Dual Over Head Cam''? I initially thought ''quad OHC'' due to the engine having 4 camshafts but i think it refers to camshafts PER BANK... therefore making it DOHC..... if that makes sense  :D

Double Over Head Camshafts -DOHC - usually refers to the fact that the exhaust cams are on a different shaft to the inlet cams, as an old fashioned Single OHC would have all the cams on the one shaft.

As the V6 has separate shafts for inlet and exhaust it is referred to as DOHC even though there are, as you say, actually 4 cam shafts.

Quad Cam Shafts implies that each cylinder has 4 valves and each valve has its own camshaft.. :)

HTH . :)

That makes perfect sense mate thanks...

each ''bank'' of cylinders needs exhaust and intake hence DOHC because there are two per bank even though there are 2 banks  :y
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Post by: Webby the Bear on 01 May 2012, 22:24:34
heres a few for you webby.  :y

(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp16/jonthenut_bucket/01052012.jpg)

(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp16/jonthenut_bucket/01052012001.jpg)

cleaned the front a little.
(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp16/jonthenut_bucket/01052012002.jpg)

 :)

Cheers again RB.... and sorry not hijacking your thread... this stuff just gives me a har....... gets me excited! :):):)

I take it that once the fuel rail and inlets are removed then it's just a case of removing the black plastic (with tose connected red gaskets) to expose the intakes on the head? :)
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Post by: The Red Baron on 01 May 2012, 22:24:55
look at the phots above, inners are inlet, outsides are exhaust. :y

edit, yes, when alls thats gone off the top this is what you see. ^^
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Post by: Webby the Bear on 01 May 2012, 22:33:52
look at the phots above, inners are inlet, outsides are exhaust. :y

edit, yes, when alls thats gone off the top this is what you see. ^^

cheers mate  :y :y :y :y :y :y
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Post by: The Red Baron on 02 May 2012, 19:40:31
a couple more for you webby, until my torx bit broke tightening the cam sprockets up.  >:(

(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp16/jonthenut_bucket/02052012.jpg)

(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp16/jonthenut_bucket/02052012001.jpg)

 :y
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Post by: JamesV6CDX on 02 May 2012, 20:25:51
I may have a spare male 50... want me to check? :y

If so it's yours..
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Post by: The Red Baron on 02 May 2012, 20:46:20
I may have a spare male 50... want me to check? :y

If so it's yours..
damn decent of you james.  :y
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Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 02 May 2012, 20:49:00
For full previous head strip down see here:

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=22573.0
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Post by: The Red Baron on 02 May 2012, 22:10:38
just trying to help webby out with a few pics mark tbh.  :y
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Post by: Webby the Bear on 02 May 2012, 22:23:03
just trying to help webby out with a few pics mark tbh.  :y

very much appreciated guys  :y

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Post by: The Red Baron on 03 May 2012, 18:11:49
all built back up today, came to put cam covers on & they are warped(gaskets would not have sealed at all). good job i have a couple of good spare sets at home.
nearly there. start up friday.  :y
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Post by: Webby the Bear on 03 May 2012, 19:56:40
all built back up today, came to put cam covers on & they are warped(gaskets would not have sealed at all). good job i have a couple of good spare sets at home.
nearly there. start up friday.  :y

nice one mate. lots of beers for you on friday  :y
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Post by: The Red Baron on 03 May 2012, 21:45:28
cleaned the spare cam covers in the wifes kitchen sink.  :D
boy was they dirty.  ;D
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Post by: omega3000 on 03 May 2012, 22:00:49
cleaned the spare cam covers in the wifes kitchen sink.  :D
boy was they dirty.  ;D

 ;D as long as she dont know .
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: The Red Baron on 03 May 2012, 22:17:37
cleaned the spare cam covers in the wifes kitchen sink.  :D
boy was they dirty.  ;D

 ;D as long as she dont know .
:D all the evidence went down the drain.  :y
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Post by: TheBoy on 03 May 2012, 22:19:25
Anyone else had a cambelt done by welung666? Do they need checking?
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Post by: The Red Baron on 03 May 2012, 22:24:10
Anyone else had a cambelt done by welung666? Do they need checking?
tbh j its not ended there, he did the cam covers aswell, the covers are very warped, he should have seen that. also i suspect some torque settings where not what they was supposed to be. crank pulley bolts for one.  :y
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Post by: blackviper90210 on 04 May 2012, 09:17:11
So basically although he knew what he was doing, he bodged the job and this was the end result? ???

Cheers Lee, thanks for that >:(     
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Post by: The Red Baron on 04 May 2012, 09:45:46
So basically although he knew what he was doing, he bodged the job and this was the end result? ???

Cheers Lee, thanks for that >:(   
not your fault dave.
it should be running later today so alls well. :y
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Post by: Webby the Bear on 04 May 2012, 11:21:04
can't wait for the update RB. Hope all goes well  :y
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Post by: The Red Baron on 05 May 2012, 21:34:15
didnt get too much done, daughter had day off school (teacher training day). only got the gas to refit & the exhaust to manifold pipes. sunday is now turn the key day. ::)
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Post by: SMD on 05 May 2012, 21:53:05
Anyone else had a cambelt done by welung666? Do they need checking?

GULP! I did... :-[
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Post by: The Red Baron on 05 May 2012, 22:52:21
Anyone else had a cambelt done by welung666? Do they need checking?

GULP! I did... :-[
:-X
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Post by: SMD on 05 May 2012, 23:05:36
Oh dear, I always thought my car lacked a bit of poke and James was here today to do camcovers and service, and did a live data run and he said everything looked ok (on data run) and it had decent grunt but obviously the only way to be 100% sure is to visually check the timing.

I hope this is one of Mr Wells' better jobs.
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Post by: The Red Baron on 05 May 2012, 23:10:26
Oh dear, I always thought my car lacked a bit of poke and James was here today to do camcovers and service, and did a live data run and he said everything looked ok (on data run) and it had decent grunt but obviously the only way to be 100% sure is to visually check the timing.

I hope this is one of Mr Wells' better jobs.
i hope for you too.  :y
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Post by: JamesV6CDX on 06 May 2012, 00:51:12
SMD, do you a deal mate. If you want your cambelt setup checked, for the sake of everyone. I will check, and if needsbe adjust, FOC, for the sake of the forum and to see if there is anything in this.

Your fuel trims etc all looked good but the only way to be certain is to strip it off!
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Post by: SMD on 06 May 2012, 03:58:40
That is blooming kind of you to offer James, much appreciated.  :y  :o  You really are addicted to cambelts  ;D
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: blackviper90210 on 06 May 2012, 09:01:48
He's addicted to helping people and keeping migs in excellent working order :y
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: blackviper90210 on 06 May 2012, 09:02:19
Come on Jon, it's 0900!!

Have you started her up yet?  ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: The Red Baron on 06 May 2012, 10:03:01
Come on Jon, it's 0900!!

Have you started her up yet?  ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

bloody hell dave, ive only just got up.  ::)
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Post by: blackviper90210 on 06 May 2012, 11:03:47
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: The Red Baron on 06 May 2012, 17:15:15
running now, well pleased.
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: martin42 on 06 May 2012, 17:21:11
nice result mate  :y
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: The Red Baron on 06 May 2012, 17:54:30
yeh, im well chuffed tbh, not done a big job like that since the early 90`s on a v6 essex engine in my capri. not quite as much on the electrics side of things then or lpg for that matter. bit like riding a bike i spose.  :y
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Post by: omega3000 on 06 May 2012, 17:58:15
Nice one glad all is ok  :y Bet it sounds a lot better now .
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Post by: Webby the Bear on 06 May 2012, 19:49:22
Well done mate awesomre result  :y
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: blackviper90210 on 06 May 2012, 20:03:35
Excellent news Jon!!   :y
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: The Red Baron on 08 May 2012, 17:23:34
fitted the last cat to manifold, ran her up to temp, ticking over bloody lumpy/hunting. changed the ICV for a know good one, all sorted. now for an oil change, then a decent run out me thinks.  :y
mind, a rather odd one, the tc light has come on, hope a run out will reset it. ???
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Post by: blackviper90210 on 08 May 2012, 21:54:03
Well? How did the run out go?  Did the TC light go out?

Quit holding out on us, the suspense is killing us  ::) ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: The Red Baron on 08 May 2012, 23:22:46
Well? How did the run out go?  Did the TC light go out?

Quit holding out on us, the suspense is killing us  ::) ;D ;D ;D
cant get the damn thing out the garage yet. blocked in with bloody omegas.  :D
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Post by: blackviper90210 on 09 May 2012, 06:14:21
Why am I not surprised?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 09 May 2012, 13:49:12
Is it OK on LPG too? :y
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: blackviper90210 on 09 May 2012, 13:55:01
He's not sure yet James.... he's still moving other migs out of the way since yesterday :P

Not heard from him since, probably a long walk to the back of the line where it's sitting  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: The Red Baron on 09 May 2012, 19:20:12
Is it OK on LPG too? :y
eerrrm, runs like a bag o spanners on gas, lumpy with a miss fire. still not had it out on the road yet tbh.
 ::)
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Post by: JamesV6CDX on 09 May 2012, 21:00:49
Is it OK on LPG too? :y
eerrrm, runs like a bag o spanners on gas, lumpy with a miss fire. still not had it out on the road yet tbh.
 ::)

But OK on petrol?

Want a second pair of eyes? :y
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: blackviper90210 on 09 May 2012, 21:07:21
Just take the lpg off it James, I know another car that could use it  ::) ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: The Red Baron on 09 May 2012, 21:10:44
Is it OK on LPG too? :y
eerrrm, runs like a bag o spanners on gas, lumpy with a miss fire. still not had it out on the road yet tbh.
 ::)

But OK on petrol?

Want a second pair of eyes? :y
might not be a bad idea, your up this way soon arent you?.
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Post by: The Red Baron on 09 May 2012, 21:11:14
Just take the lpg off it James, I know another car that could use it  ::) ;D ;D ;D

Hummmppphhhhh. :-*
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Post by: JamesV6CDX on 09 May 2012, 21:14:49
Is it OK on LPG too? :y
eerrrm, runs like a bag o spanners on gas, lumpy with a miss fire. still not had it out on the road yet tbh.
 ::)

But OK on petrol?

Want a second pair of eyes? :y
might not be a bad idea, your up this way soon arent you?.

Send me your number mate, if I'm able to pop in while passing I'll give you a bell :y
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Post by: The Red Baron on 09 May 2012, 21:17:26
Is it OK on LPG too? :y
eerrrm, runs like a bag o spanners on gas, lumpy with a miss fire. still not had it out on the road yet tbh.
 ::)

But OK on petrol?

Want a second pair of eyes? :y
might not be a bad idea, your up this way soon arent you?.

Send me your number mate, if I'm able to pop in while passing I'll give you a bell :y
ok, done.
 :y
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Post by: The Red Baron on 11 May 2012, 17:09:45
got all the little bits n bobs back on today, gave it an oil change. no coolant loss, runs fine on petrol.
its still blocked in the bloody garage as the other estate doesnt want to run at all now >:(
it will be pushed out the way tommoz. ;)
James....i could do with you gadget plugging in to sort this lpg out. :y.
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: The Red Baron on 12 May 2012, 13:44:25
dug it out the garage this morning.
running fine on petrol, switch her onto gas, seems to run ok now but im getting the tc light come on. also the eml light flickers. the tc button on the dash doesnt appear to work now, not lighting up when pressed.
seems to have plenty of power though. im going to do a paperclip in a while. :y

oh forgot to mention, after switching off...on restart lights are out. ???
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Post by: The Red Baron on 12 May 2012, 19:25:06
having had another run out, on petrol only, im getting the tc light come up. ???
read the codes..
48 battery low voltage. i find this rather odd tbh.
38 02 circuit 1 low voltage
98 02 circuit 2 low voltage.
mmm
could this be lpg related?.
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 12 May 2012, 21:48:26
having had another run out, on petrol only, im getting the tc light come up. ???
read the codes..
48 battery low voltage. i find this rather odd tbh.
38 02 circuit 1 low voltage
98 02 circuit 2 low voltage.
mmm
could this be lpg related?.

Sorry mate I would have loved to have popped in but was really up against clock.

I don't think it's LPG related.

Few things to check and confirm..

1) The three earths on the rear of the 2-4-6 head - are they secure? I'm sure you haven't put them all under just one bolt, to save doing up the three, have you ;)

2) Electrical round connectors by battery - all home

3) What is the voltage measured across the battery with engine running

4) Are all electrical connectors etc home?

The TC light constantly on might also be result of a poor connection/earth somewhere disturbed during HG change.

I'm doing a job in Leicester tomorrow. Again, I'm really sorry to be so vague, but on the offchance I get away in good time, I will give you a bell and try and pop in and give you a second pair of eyes.

I'd say don't run it on LPG at all, until everything is hunky dory on petrol :y
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Post by: The Red Baron on 12 May 2012, 22:57:15
thanks for the above advice james, im keeping  :-X
 ;D
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 12 May 2012, 23:00:27
thanks for the above advice james, im keeping  :-X
 ;D

I knew it  ;D

Seriously - correct that first. It might be worth scraping your knuckles.. :y

As I say, happy to pop in for a cuppa and a gander if I get time

Do you have facilities to read the codes logged for the TC? :y

Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: The Red Baron on 12 May 2012, 23:03:02
no, can only do paper clip. what a twonk i am. ::)
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 12 May 2012, 23:05:36
no, can only do paper clip. what a twonk i am. ::)

It would be good to know what it's complaining about. I have something which should read the codes.

It's also possible those codes aren't there anymore - as with the clip there's no way of telling if they're present or historic.

We need to clear out all the codes and look at it with a clean slate :y :y
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: Entwood on 12 May 2012, 23:20:32
no, can only do paper clip. what a twonk i am. ::)

It would be good to know what it's complaining about. I have something which should read the codes.

It's also possible those codes aren't there anymore - as with the clip there's no way of telling if they're present or historic.

We need to clear out all the codes and look at it with a clean slate :y :y

Interesting item to have in a tool box ... what size piece do you recommend ?? ... is there any special way to hold it for maximum benefit ?? Are new pieces from http://www.museumwales.ac.uk/en/slate better than pieces nicked off the church roof ???

 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: The Red Baron on 13 May 2012, 00:14:24
no, can only do paper clip. what a twonk i am. ::)

It would be good to know what it's complaining about. I have something which should read the codes.

It's also possible those codes aren't there anymore - as with the clip there's no way of telling if they're present or historic.

We need to clear out all the codes and look at it with a clean slate :y :y

Interesting item to have in a tool box ... what size piece do you recommend ?? ... is there any special way to hold it for maximum benefit ?? Are new pieces from http://www.museumwales.ac.uk/en/slate better than pieces nicked off the church roof ???

 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
::)  ;D
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: The Red Baron on 14 May 2012, 23:33:34
Now sorted & goes like hot snot.  :D  :y
Title: Re: 3.0l headgasket stripdown started
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 15 May 2012, 00:37:57
Just read your PM on the laptop. Cracking stuff.

:y