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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: feeutfo on 30 January 2013, 19:23:01
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The basis of this is minimal tramlining. Grip level as per group.
MUST BE VARIFIED BY TWO DIFFERENT MEMBERS
These tyres have been tested or owned ( which ever ) by Chrisgixer Taxi Al and TheBoy, so far.
Premium
Continental Sc3 mo 18' 8j
continental Sc3 generic Oe 17"
Dunlop sport maxx TT. Oe 17"
Mid range
Kumho ku31 oe17"
Pirelli p6000. Oe17"
Budget
Runway Enduro oe17"
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Awaiting testing/ownership varifying.
Goodyear Eagle f1
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Yet another tyre post ::)
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Accelera Alphas - 16"
Runway Enduro - 16"
Falken 452 - 16"
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The basis of this is minimal tramlining. Grip level as per group.
MUST BE VARIFIED BY TWO DIFFERENT MEMBERS
These tyres have been tested or owned ( which ever ) by Chrisgixer Taxi Al and TheBoy, so far.
Premium
Continental Sc3 mo 18' 8j (also has more rim protection)
continental Sc3 generic Oe 17"
Dunlop sport maxx TT. Oe 17"
Mid range
Kumho ku31 oe17"
Pirelli p6000. Oe17"
Budget
Runway Enduro oe17" and 16"
Accelera Alphas oe 16"
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Dunlop Sport Maxx TT OE 17"
Continental SC3 OE 17"
Toyo Proxes OE 17"
Kuhmo KU31 OE 17"
Nexen CP461 OE 16"
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I don't really know enough to give any handling guides .. but the records I have show
Avon ZV5s .. I hated, and they didn't last well so, as I knew no better
I got Falken 452's, these were slightly better than the Avons but were certainly "not good" so onto :
The Toyo T1's were markedly better by many degrees, even to me, but only lasted 12000 miles .. :(
All on 17" wheels
Presently have Eagle F1's fitted and no definite answer as yet, as I'm still making small adjustments to the steering box.. Chris will no doubt have a play tomorrow and give his valuable opinion .. :y :y
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I don't really know enough to give any handling guides .. but the records I have show
Avon ZV5s .. I hated, and they didn't last well so, as I knew no better
I got Falken 452's, these were slightly better than the Avons but were certainly "not good" so onto :
The Toyo T1's were markedly better by many degrees, even to me, but only lasted 12000 miles .. :(
All on 17" wheels
Presently have Eagle F1's fitted and no definite answer as yet, as I'm still making small adjustments to the steering box.. Chris will no doubt have a play tomorrow and give his valuable opinion .. :y :y
Ooh good shout Enty. :)
And this is exactly the sort of post we need IMO. Objective, covers the entire life of the tyre, and Is aware of car set up and condition. As most regular members are tbh.
What's not happening is the;
I took my old tyres off and these new ones are much better.
....type of posts. New tyres will obviously be better than new ones, generally speaking.
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Btw Toyo t1. These are different to Toyo proxy?
And are they budget or midrange?
But please only recommend any tire if your certain that;
There is absolutely no play or wear in the steering and suspension.
The car has been set up to wim spec for full geo.
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Dunlop Sport Maxx TT OE 17"
Continental SC3 OE 17"
Toyo Proxes OE 17"
Kuhmo KU31 OE 17"
Nexen CP461 OE 16"
.... as the others are on the list.
Proxes. Jimbob had these iirc. Is he happy to agree....?
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Dunlop Sport Maxx TT OE 17"
Continental SC3 OE 17"
Toyo Proxes OE 17"
Kuhmo KU31 OE 17"
Nexen CP461 OE 16"
.... as the others are on the list.
Proxes. Jimbob had these iirc. Is he happy to agree....?
Sorry Chris, Toyo Proxes T1R to be precise, Midrange I would say, good grippy tyre but not long lasting. On balance I think I would buy the Kuhmo KU31's (if still available) to replace them as the life v grip level is a more acceptable balance for my daily driver. I would also say that they wouldn't be put on the 3.2 as this commands something a little more precise IMHO.
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Dunlop Sport Maxx TT OE 17"
Continental SC3 OE 17"
Toyo Proxes OE 17"
Kuhmo KU31 OE 17"
Nexen CP461 OE 16"
I'll back this one up for a budget option, with the warning that very heavy rain (sort where rivers form on carriageway), they turn to ditchfinders without warning. Never recall tramline issues with them on my tractor.
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Anyone up for starting an oil thread ? :D
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Anyone up for starting an oil thread ? :D
As long as Waynster doesn't say how wonderful Magnatec is.
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Pending
Goodyear eagle f1
Toyo proxy t1r
Nexen CP461 OE 16"
TheBoy are you happy to recommend the Nexen to members?
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Anyone up for starting an oil thread ? :D
As long as Waynster doesn't say how wonderful Magnatec is.
I would ask this thread is kept as factual if pos. it's a hard enough without ....
....can non related posts be moved and discussed elsewhere? :)
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Chris .. Toyo Proxes and Toyo T1 are the same ... Full name is actually Toyo Proxes T1R
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Yet another tyre post ::)
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Accelera Alphas - 16"
Runway Enduro - 16"
Falken 452 - 16"
What happened to the Falken 452? I found them ok and would recommend them - or do you particularly exclude them. Remember 2 Varifications or verifications to most people.
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Yet another tyre post ::)
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Accelera Alphas - 16"
Runway Enduro - 16"
Falken 452 - 16"
What happened to the Falken 452? I found them ok and would recommend them - or do you particularly exclude them. Remember 2 Varifications or verifications to most people.
I wouldn't recommend the Falkens .. they wore well granted, but they wandered all over the place, especially when towing.
Now if the sidewalls didn't like the extra loads the van imparts when the wind moves it I don't know, but I found them very unstable.
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+1 for the 16" Runways :y based on 100k :y
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Yet another tyre post ::)
But -
Accelera Alphas - 16"
Runway Enduro - 16"
Falken 452 - 16"
What happened to the Falken 452? I found them ok and would recommend them - or do you particularly exclude them. Remember 2 Varifications or verifications to most people.
I wouldn't recommend the Falkens .. they wore well granted, but they wandered all over the place, especially when towing.
Now if the sidewalls didn't like the extra loads the van imparts when the wind moves it I don't know, but I found them very unstable.
Ok but they worked fine for me (but I didn't tow a pikey van). They should be included if another OOFer recommends them ???
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Chris/entwood, if you two are meeting tomorrow I would like to hear your feedback on the Eagle F1. Should be run in by now. :y
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Chris/entwood, if you two are meeting tomorrow I would like to hear your feedback on the Eagle F1. Should be run in by now. :y
They've done about 500 miles, but a lot of that on ice/slush/rain/generally poor weather, so I've not been pushing them at all. I still have a small problem with the steering box setup which is making the selfcentreing "not quite right" .. another 1/8 of a turn tomorrow... :(
What I can say is they are quiet, seem to move water well (I've driven through enough of it !!) and on 2 occasions when idiots have forced me too, the stopping distances have been very good, on one I was very surprised the ABS didn't go daft .. but they stopped very well.
Chris is going to have a try tomorrow, to see what he thinks of the steering box, the tyres, and the before and after effects of the poly-bushes.
As he knows a lot more than me we should be able to give some comparative opinions !!
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Pending
Goodyear eagle f1
Toyo proxy t1r
Nexen CP461 OE 16"
TheBoy are you happy to recommend the Nexen to members?
With the (very) wet weather issues mentioned. Although it sounds like the Enduros are now the budget of choice for OOFers, esp with Nexen repositioning themselves as mid range.
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The basis of this is minimal tramlining. Grip level as per group.
MUST BE VARIFIED BY TWO DIFFERENT MEMBERS
These tyres have been tested or owned ( which ever ) by Chrisgixer Taxi Al and TheBoy,vxlv6 and Entwood so far.
Premium
Continental Sc3 mo 18' 8j (also has more rim protection)
continental Sc3 generic Oe 17"
Dunlop sport maxx TT. Oe 17"
Mid range
Kumho ku31 oe17"
Pirelli p6000. Oe17"
Budget
Runway Enduro oe17" and 16" (priced as budget, mid range quality :y )
Accelera Alphas oe 16"
Toyo proxy t1r
Nexen CP461 OE 16" (caution in standing water)
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Ok I guess we try and get these in the correct groups to start with? Is Nexen in the right group btw?
Then when we're happy, separate the groups and discuss each tyre with some notes on first hand experiences. Maybe if we can keep it factual enough and it makes sense we could pin it to gen car chat or a guide or sumat. See how it goes.
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Can you also try different pressures for the same tyre starting at 29 psi till 36 psi..
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Goodyear eagle f1.
driven today. Standard elite on 17"
No tram lining. 1 correction caused by strong wind gust.
Entwood when you get home can you check tyre pressures are ok, I'm sure they are, we can then add them to the list.
Quiet too. :y
Impressive for directional stability. Grip level not tested.
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Goodyear eagle f1.
driven today. Standard elite on 17"
No tram lining. 1 correction caused by strong wind gust.
Entwood when you get home can you check tyre pressures are ok, I'm sure they are, we can then add them to the list.
Quiet too. :y
Impressive for directional stability. Grip level not tested.
good news.. but I bet if you increase the size to 18 and over 235 width it will tramline..
and if it still doesnt tramline, lower the car a bit sure it will..
or drop their pressures ;D
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Cem I've asked to keep this thread factual. Feel free to start another thread.
Thankyou. :)
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Goodyear eagle f1.
driven today. Standard elite on 17"
No tram lining. 1 correction caused by strong wind gust.
Entwood when you get home can you check tyre pressures are ok, I'm sure they are, we can then add them to the list.
Quiet too. :y
Impressive for directional stability. Grip level not tested.
Presures checked for you Chris
Front 32 psi Rear 34 psi - what I always use when "solo" ... 2 psi above the "book" but I find that more suitable.
many thanks for your work today :y :y
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Eagle F1 Assimetric
oe 17" Fitted new March 2012 and used until October 2012 (winters on then)
Certainly don't tramline. Straight and sure - Set up at WIM recommended Garage near me in East London (March 2012)
Grip well when going fast round corners/large roundabouts.
I don't find them noisy.
Very healthy response under braking in wet and dry. Haven't measured tread depth since first use; not especially soft tyre.
HTH
Matthew
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The basis of this is minimal tramlining. Grip level as per group.
MUST BE VARIFIED BY TWO DIFFERENT MEMBERS
These tyres have been tested or owned ( which ever ) by Chrisgixer Taxi Al and TheBoy, vxlv6 , dbug, Mv6Matt and Entwood so far.
Premium
Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric Oe 17"
Continental Sc3 mo 18" 8j (also has more rim protection)
continental Sc3 generic Oe 17"
Dunlop sport maxx TT. Oe 17"
Mid range
Kumho ku31 Oe 17"
Pirelli p6000. Oe 17"
Budget
Runway Enduro Oe17" and 16" (priced as budget, mid range quality )
Accelera Alphas Oe 16"
Toyo proxy t1r. Oe 17"
Nexen CP461 Oe 16" (caution in standing water)
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Chris/entwood, if you two are meeting tomorrow I would like to hear your feedback on the Eagle F1. Should be run in by now. :y
:y
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Good to know :y. Looking forward to having mine fitted.
This answers my questions from the other thread.
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Michelin Pilot Primacy 225 55 16 OE 16"
30,000 MILES NO TRAMLINING
Replaced pirelli P7000 TERRIBLE TRAMLINING.
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My two penny worth.
Nexen 6000 fitted all round. Trip to France thru heavy snow from Uk all the way to the south of France 800mile total.
Following a previous tyre track in the snow on motorways no problem, even when creeping out of the track made by others, getting back on line not a problem.
These tyres are new to me, so my comment really stems from the mondeo driver on 50% worn on pirelli 6000 s who drove my car as part of the journey . They handled really well and could clearly feel the difference. ( An accountant and not a petrol head)
Hth
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had 2 new barum bravuris 2 fitted wednesday and have done 200miles and so far on two roads where tramlining was a huge issue i have none atall. and they are nice and quiet and give excellent grip wet and dry. and i got them for 160 for the pair fitted
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had 2 new barum bravuris 2 fitted wednesday and have done 200miles and so far on two roads where tramlining was a huge issue i have none atall. and they are nice and quiet and give excellent grip wet and dry. and i got them for 160 for the pair fitted
But this thread is about tyre behaviour through an entire life cycle ;)
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The basis of this is minimal tramlining. Grip level as per group.
MUST BE VARIFIED BY TWO DIFFERENT MEMBERS
These tyres have been tested or owned ( which ever ) by Chrisgixer Taxi Al and TheBoy,vxlv6 and Entwood so far.
Premium
Continental Sc3 mo 18' 8j (also has more rim protection)
continental Sc3 generic Oe 17"
Dunlop sport maxx TT. Oe 17"
Mid range
Kumho ku31 oe17"
Pirelli p6000. Oe17"
Budget
Runway Enduro oe17" and 16" (priced as budget, mid range quality :y )
Accelera Alphas oe 16"
Toyo proxy t1r
Nexen CP461 OE 16" (caution in standing water)
Discussing this with TB it seems fair that we should be as accurate as possible in our descriptions of exactly which tyre we are talking about, to enable others to replicate the same results.
So can I ask members, at there earliest convenience, to double check the tyre side wall description for exact size, speed rating, and load rating, and any other numbers that are in the tyre description.
As TB says an example of this would be the sc3 issue I had where generic and Mercedes variants where ok, but the sc3 ao1 where not so good regarding tramlining. Not all sports contact 3 are the same. :(
Thankyou. :)
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The basis of this is minimal tramlining. Grip level as per group.
MUST BE VARIFIED BY TWO DIFFERENT MEMBERS
These tyres have been tested or owned ( which ever ) by Chrisgixer Taxi Al and TheBoy, vxlv6 , dbug, Mv6Matt and Entwood so far.
Premium
Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric Oe 17"
Continental Sc3 mo 18" 8j (also has more rim protection)
continental Sc3 generic Oe 17"
Dunlop sport maxx TT. Oe 17"
Mid range
Kumho ku31 Oe 17"
Pirelli p6000. Oe 17"
Budget
Runway Enduro 916+ 97W XL Oe17" and 16" (priced as budget, mid range quality )
Accelera Alphas Oe 16"
Toyo proxy t1r. Oe 17"
Nexen CP461 Oe 16" (caution in standing water)
Edited to update sidewall info :y
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I really don't care less what tyres I have fitted so long as they are the correct size and speed rating and will get me through an MOT. I don't drive like a 20 year old and economy both MPG and tyre price are most important :P
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Me too.Which is why the best tyres for my omega may be the pair of marshalls Im currently winning an auction for with a bid of 99p at the moment. :y ;D ;D
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Me too.Which is why the best tyres for my omega may be the pair of marshalls Im currently winning an auction for with a bid of 99p at the moment. :y ;D ;D
I've got a little stash from my breakers :y
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Ive did,but Ive run out. ;D
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Me too.Which is why the best tyres for my omega may be the pair of marshalls Im currently winning an auction for with a bid of 99p at the moment. :y ;D ;D
Ive just been on a search and found 4 brand new tyres fitted balanced and old disposed of for £120 :D :D i aint paying that ::) ::) ::) ;D
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Michelin Pilot Primacy 225 55 16 OE 16"
30,000 MILES NO TRAMLINING
Replaced pirelli P7000 TERRIBLE TRAMLINING.
I will second that, although I only 25K out of mine although they where changed at 2mm so may have got a bit more mileage. I would say a very good tyre but a bit pricey.
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Michelin Pilot Primacy 225 55 16 OE 16"
30,000 MILES NO TRAMLINING
Replaced pirelli P7000 TERRIBLE TRAMLINING.
I will second that, although I only 25K out of mine although they where changed at 2mm so may have got a bit more mileage. I would say a very good tyre but a bit pricey.
I had MPP fitted to my MV6 before I changed to Goodyear Eagle F1 As 2. I would say that the F1's trounce the noisy Michelin's both objectively and subjectively. :y
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Michelin Pilot Primacy 225 55 16 OE 16"
30,000 MILES NO TRAMLINING
Replaced pirelli P7000 TERRIBLE TRAMLINING.
I will second that, although I only 25K out of mine although they where changed at 2mm so may have got a bit more mileage. I would say a very good tyre but a bit pricey.
I had MPP fitted to my MV6 before I changed to Goodyear Eagle F1 As 2. I would say that the F1's trounce the noisy Michelin's both objectively and subjectively. :y
Interesting feedback :y
Opti Mantahatch and ffc gary, would you say that the Michelin PP where above an acceptable level though...? That's all we're really interested in at this stage.
Eg, where MPP stable,planted,with minimal corrections at the steering wheel type of acceptable? In short, no tram lining?
Sorry to bang in about it, but the reason I'm using that as a base level/minimum requirement, is if a tyre doesn't have that basic stability, it can have all the grip in the world, its of no use to the driver(except under emergency braking) as there's no confidence in the car at all. If that makes sense? :)
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Michelin Pilot Primacy 225 55 16 OE 16"
30,000 MILES NO TRAMLINING
Replaced pirelli P7000 TERRIBLE TRAMLINING.
I will second that, although I only 25K out of mine although they where changed at 2mm so may have got a bit more mileage. I would say a very good tyre but a bit pricey.
I had MPP fitted to my MV6 before I changed to Goodyear Eagle F1 As 2. I would say that the F1's trounce the noisy Michelin's both objectively and subjectively. :y
Interesting feedback :y
Opti Mantahatch and ffc gary, would you say that the Michelin PP where above an acceptable level though...? That's all we're really interested in at this stage.
Eg, where MPP stable,planted,with minimal corrections at the steering wheel type of acceptable? In short, no tram lining?
Sorry to bang in about it, but the reason I'm using that as a base level/minimum requirement, is if a tyre doesn't have that basic stability, it can have all the grip in the world, its of no use to the driver(except under emergency braking) as there's no confidence in the car at all. If that makes sense? :)
If they were cheaper, then yes. But when price is added to the equation........then I'd say no. In my view you can do a lot better for £130-£140 a corner.
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Michelin Pilot Primacy 225 55 16 OE 16"
30,000 MILES NO TRAMLINING
Replaced pirelli P7000 TERRIBLE TRAMLINING.
I will second that, although I only 25K out of mine although they where changed at 2mm so may have got a bit more mileage. I would say a very good tyre but a bit pricey.
I had MPP fitted to my MV6 before I changed to Goodyear Eagle F1 As 2. I would say that the F1's trounce the noisy Michelin's both objectively and subjectively. :y
Interesting feedback :y
Opti Mantahatch and ffc gary, would you say that the Michelin PP where above an acceptable level though...? That's all we're really interested in at this stage.
Eg, where MPP stable,planted,with minimal corrections at the steering wheel type of acceptable? In short, no tram lining?
Sorry to bang in about it, but the reason I'm using that as a base level/minimum requirement, is if a tyre doesn't have that basic stability, it can have all the grip in the world, its of no use to the driver(except under emergency braking) as there's no confidence in the car at all. If that makes sense? :)
I can safely say I had no tramlining. I would put them above mid range tyres purely on cost alone. The car drove very straight and true on them at speeds up to 70mph (ok 85 on one occasion).
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I would put them above mid range tyres purely on cost alone.
I think cost isn't a factor in deciding what class it is in :)
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I would put them above mid range tyres purely on cost alone.
I think cost isn't a factor in deciding what class it is in :)
Fair enough if cost is not a factor then def mid range for me. (It also makes them pigging expensive for a mid range tyre ;D ;D ;D )
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The basis of this is minimal tramlining. Grip level as per group.
MUST BE VARIFIED BY TWO DIFFERENT MEMBERS
These tyres have been tested or owned ( which ever ) by Chrisgixer Taxi Al and TheBoy, vxlv6 , dbug, Mv6Matt and Entwood so far.
Premium
Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric Oe 17"
Continental Sc3 mo 18" 8j (also has more rim protection)
continental Sc3 generic Oe 17"
Dunlop sport maxx TT. Oe 17"
Michelin Pilot Primacy 225 55 16 OE 16" (expensive, and better available)
Mid range
Kumho ku31 Oe 17"
Pirelli p6000. Oe 17"
Budget
Runway Enduro 916+ 97W XL Oe17" and 16" (priced as budget, mid range quality )
Accelera Alphas Oe 16"
Toyo proxy t1r. Oe 17"
Nexen CP461 Oe 16" (caution in standing water)
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Michelin Pilot Primacy 225 55 16 OE 16"
30,000 MILES NO TRAMLINING ....
I can safely say I had no tramlining. I would put them above mid range tyres purely on cost alone. The car drove very straight and true on them at speeds up to 70mph (ok 85 on one occasion).
Like wise - never had tramlining wit them, & have had a couple of sets of them
....... and now by comparison I can class them as a mid priced tyre! ::) ::)
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No one tried Nankang NS2's ..... i used to like them on my 2.2....used to get over 20k out of them :y
They're a budget tyre ;)
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I can add recent experience of General Altimax UHP and Nexen N6000 in 235/45/17.
The Generals were pretty good, I reckon. Lowish noise level and pretty good grip. Fine in the wet. No significant tramlining until well worn but then did get a little choppy. Lasted 18K at a guess and still just about hanging on. I'd rate them about KU31 level overall. Now £90 a corner, though. I'll decide if they're worth that when the Runways have done a few more miles.
N6000s were on the back pretty much their whole life. Did try them on the front for a while, IIRC. Probably swapped them back to the rear where they started out due to tramlining. Pretty unremarkable, IMHO. Average in every respect. The back end of my car is normally pretty well planted and needs provocation to let go. It got a little twitch at times with these on. That said, they weren't so awful I couldn't live with them. Lasted 15K, but on the rear pretty much their whole life. For the grip level, that's faster wear than I would expect.
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The basis of this is minimal tramlining. Grip level as per group.
MUST BE VARIFIED BY TWO DIFFERENT MEMBERS
These tyres have been tested or owned ( which ever ) by Chrisgixer Taxi Al and TheBoy, vxlv6 , dbug, Mv6Matt and Entwood so far.
Premium
Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric Oe 17"
Continental Sc3 mo 18" 8j (also has more rim protection)
continental Sc3 generic Oe 17"
Dunlop sport maxx TT. Oe 17"
Michelin Pilot Primacy 225 55 16 OE 16" (expensive, and better available)
Mid range
Kumho ku31 Oe 17"
Pirelli p6000. Oe 17"
Budget
Runway Enduro 916+ 97W XL Oe17" and 16" (priced as budget, mid range quality )
Accelera Alphas Oe 16"
Toyo proxy t1r. Oe 17"
Nexen CP461 Oe 16" (caution in standing water)
I think we need to add speed and load ratings to these guys, if you get a minute. :-[
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May I remind an important subject.. while changing tyres they will need re-balance evertime you fit..
I generally avoid this by marking tyre position (during summer-winter changes) but thats valid for the same car (and even with that sometimes I have encountered balance problems after a few months) .. another car really requires balancing :-\
also , if you include newly fitted tyres and test it with hard braking (you have to) the tyre will turn around the wheel and require re-balance)
only solution is to reach 70-80 mph and check the tyres after each fit..
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I think if a tyre goes out if balance, it will show up fairly obviously. :)
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I have seen lots of drivers with buckled wheels and not feeling anything ;D
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I have seen lots of drivers with buckled wheels and not feeling anything ;D
That's what the Airfield meet is for cem. Sort these niggles out. :y
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In case anyone is wondering why I'm asking. Possibly not but anyway...
Reason behind it is TramLining related, surprise surprise. The causes of TL are said to be too rigid a side wall transmitting road imperfections through the side wall. Thus pushing the steering off line via the rim, which the driver has to correct, which is highly irritating and in extreme cases threatens safety.
I'm wondering if in fact, that the opposite is true. That if the sidewall is too soft, the tread of the tyre can be pulled out of line, where as a stiffer sidewall would keep the tread in line with the wheel and keep the car straighter, and irritating the driver less with less imperfections in direction.
There's seems to be alot of 97 load tyres that behave well with directional stability on this car.
Just a thought any way. :)
It could be that 97's misbehave As much as any other tyre. :-\
Quote above nicked from the Tyre Load thread to avoid clogging it up. :y
Not Omega related but just thought I'd add to the confusion. :)
We have two almost identical brand new cars that are only a few weeks old and both are fitted with the same wheels and tyres. They are both the same model and both have 225/35/19 on the front and 255/30/19 on the rears. However, due to slightly different spec level, one sits about an inch higher at the wheel arch height to the other one. The slightly higher one has a very slight tendency to be knocked off-line by road imperfections whereas the lower one is totally unaffected by the same stretch of road. :-\
So, two almost identical cars, both the same model shape, both with bullet hard suspension, both with the same chassis and wheels and tyres but with different driving characteristics. :-\
Changing wheels and tyres from a tramlining Omega and fitting non-tramlining wheels and tyres is great if it cures the tramlining car but the example above goes to show how difficult it can be to find a resolve.
As an aside, I'm running Goodyear Eagle F1 Assy 2 on the Elite Estate. I don't drive it much these days and when I do I'm in a daze but I seem to recall that it does need the odd steering correction now and again, but certainly nothing serious and certainly nothing to prevent me from pressing on. I run 32psi front and 33psi on the rears. It's an Elite so it's like driving an airbed. ;) ;D
Edit:
Damn, I was sure I'd posted this in the tramling thread. :-[
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looking at your post (YZ250) it reminds me that cars that have coilover setups must be played also
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I would say that the Michelin Pilot Primacy is worth every penny of the cost for a tyre that i find very quite and sure footed in all weather conditions, it is a very stable tyre that gives you a high degree of feedback to the steering wheel without being fussy.
As to the F1's, i cant comment to noise as i have never run them but this is my second set of MPP's and as they are no longer availible i will go for Michelin pilot hp next.
Mrs ffcgary even commented when i had them fitted that the harshness of the ride had changed and i had to agree. I thought the pirelli p7000 was a capable tyre but i would say not suited to the omegas chassis set up.As to tramlining/wunderlust, no i have not had this with the MPP, but i do run my tyres slightly less pressure than some on here, mine are FRONT= 30PSI REAR = 32PSI.
THEY ARE ALSO 95W RATED.
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We have two almost identical brand new cars that are only a few weeks old and both are fitted with the same wheels and tyres. They are both the same model and both have 225/35/19 on the front and 255/30/19 on the rears. However, due to slightly different spec level, one sits about an inch higher at the wheel arch height to the other one. The slightly higher one has a very slight tendency to be knocked off-line by road imperfections whereas the lower one is totally unaffected by the same stretch of road. :-\
If the ride height isn't correct then the rest of the suspension dynamic geometry will be all to pot so it doesn't surprise me that there's a noticeable difference.
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We have two almost identical brand new cars that are only a few weeks old and both are fitted with the same wheels and tyres. They are both the same model and both have 225/35/19 on the front and 255/30/19 on the rears. However, due to slightly different spec level, one sits about an inch higher at the wheel arch height to the other one. The slightly higher one has a very slight tendency to be knocked off-line by road imperfections whereas the lower one is totally unaffected by the same stretch of road. :-\
If the ride height isn't correct then the rest of the suspension dynamic geometry will be all to pot so it doesn't surprise me that there's a noticeable difference.
They are intentionally like it Kevin, both cars are only a few weeks old. One has comfort settings and the other one is full on sport. I was merely pointing out that the same wheels and tyres on the same model of car can act slightly different according to ride height. :y
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The basis of this is minimal tramlining. Grip level as per group.
MUST BE VARIFIED BY TWO DIFFERENT MEMBERS
These tyres have been tested or owned ( which ever ) by Chrisgixer Taxi Al and TheBoy, vxlv6 , dbug, Mv6Matt and Entwood so far.
Premium
Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric Oe 17"
Continental Sc3 mo 18" 8j (also has more rim protection)
continental Sc3 generic Oe 17"
Dunlop sport maxx TT. Oe 17"
Michelin Pilot Primacy 225 55 16 OE 16" (expensive, and better available)
Mid range
Kumho ku31 Oe 17"
Pirelli p6000. Oe 17"
Budget
Runway Enduro 916+ 97W XL Oe17" and 16" (priced as budget, mid range quality )
Accelera Alphas Oe 16"
Toyo proxy t1r. Oe 17"
Nexen CP461 Oe 16" (caution in standing water)
I think we need to add speed and load ratings to these guys, if you get a minute. :-[
And size (full size), and rim width/offset if not a factory Omega wheel.
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The basis of this is minimal tramlining. Grip level as per group.
MUST BE VARIFIED BY TWO DIFFERENT MEMBERS
These tyres have been tested or owned ( which ever ) by Chrisgixer Taxi Al and TheBoy, vxlv6 , dbug, Mv6Matt and Entwood so far.
Premium
Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric Oe 17"
Continental Sc3 mo 18" 8j (also has more rim protection)
continental Sc3 generic Oe 17"
Dunlop sport maxx TT. Oe 17" 235/45/17 94Y
Michelin Pilot Primacy 225 55 16 OE 16" (expensive, and better available)
Mid range
Kumho ku31 Oe 17"
Pirelli p6000. Oe 17"
Budget
Runway Enduro 916+ 97W XL Oe17" and 16" (priced as budget, mid range quality )
Accelera Alphas Oe 16"
Toyo proxy t1r. Oe 17"
Nexen CP461 Oe 16" 225/55/16 (speed and rating no longer available) (caution in standing water)
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The basis of this is minimal tramlining. Grip level as per group.
MUST BE VARIFIED BY TWO DIFFERENT MEMBERS
These tyres have been tested or owned ( which ever ) by Chrisgixer Taxi Al and TheBoy, vxlv6 , dbug, Mv6Matt and Entwood so far.
Premium
Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric Oe 17"
Continental Sc3 mo 18" 8j (also has more rim protection)
continental Sc3 generic Oe 17"
Dunlop sport maxx TT. Oe 17" 235/45/17 94Y
Michelin Pilot Primacy 225 55 16 OE 16" (expensive, and better available)
Mid range
Kumho ku31 Oe 17"
Pirelli p6000. Oe 17"
Budget
Runway Enduro 916+ 97W XL Oe 235/45/17 ET33 (priced as budget, mid range quality )
Oe 225/55/16 ET35?
245/40/18 ET33 Irmscher Stila 8J x 18"
Accelera Alphas Oe 16"
Toyo proxy t1r. Oe 17"
Nexen CP461 Oe 16" 225/55/16 (speed and rating no longer available) (caution in standing water)
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The basis of this is minimal tramlining. Grip level as per group.
MUST BE VARIFIED BY TWO DIFFERENT MEMBERS
These tyres have been tested or owned ( which ever ) by Chrisgixer Taxi Al and TheBoy, vxlv6 , dbug, Mv6Matt and Entwood so far.
Premium
Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric Oe 17"
Continental Sc3 mo Front 18" 8j 245/40/18. (rim protection)
Continental Sc3 Mo Rear 18" 9j 265/35/18 97Y Extra load.
continental Sc3 generic Oe 17"
Dunlop sport maxx TT. Oe 17" 235/45/17 94Y
Michelin Pilot Primacy 225 55 16 OE 16" (expensive, and better available)
Mid range
Kumho ku31 Oe 17"
Pirelli p6000. Oe 17"
Budget
Runway Enduro 916+ 97W XL Oe 235/45/17 ET33 (priced as budget, mid range quality )
Oe 225/55/16 ET35?
245/40/18 ET33 Irmscher Stila 8J x 18"
Accelera Alphas Oe 16"
Toyo proxy t1r. Oe 17"
Nexen CP461 Oe 16" 225/55/16 (speed and rating no longer available) (caution in standing water)
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The basis of this is minimal tramlining. Grip level as per group.
MUST BE VARIFIED BY TWO DIFFERENT MEMBERS
These tyres have been tested or owned ( which ever ) by Chrisgixer Taxi Al and TheBoy, vxlv6 , dbug, Mv6Matt and Entwood so far.
Premium
Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric Oe 17" 235/45R17 97 Y Extra Load - max load 730 Kg
Continental Sc3 mo Front 18" 8j 245/40/18. (rim protection)
Continental Sc3 Mo Rear 18" 9j 265/35/18 97Y Extra load.
continental Sc3 generic Oe 17"
Dunlop sport maxx TT. Oe 17" 235/45/17 94Y
Michelin Pilot Primacy 225 55 16 OE 16" (expensive, and better available)
Mid range
Kumho ku31 Oe 17"
Pirelli p6000. Oe 17"
Budget
Runway Enduro 916+ 97W XL Oe 235/45/17 ET33 (priced as budget, mid range quality )
Oe 225/55/16 ET35?
245/40/18 ET33 Irmscher Stila 8J x 18"
Accelera Alphas Oe 16"
Toyo proxy t1r. Oe 17"
Nexen CP461 Oe 16" 225/55/16 (speed and rating no longer available) (caution in standing water)
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The basis of this is minimal tramlining. Grip level as per group.
MUST BE VARIFIED BY TWO DIFFERENT MEMBERS
These tyres have been tested or owned ( which ever ) by Chrisgixer Taxi Al and TheBoy, vxlv6 , dbug, Mv6Matt and Entwood so far.
Premium
Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric Oe 17" 235/45R17 97 Y Extra Load - max load 730 Kg
Continental Sc3 mo Front 18" 8j 245/40/18. (rim protection)
Continental Sc3 Mo Rear 18" 9j 265/35/18 97Y Extra load.
continental Sc3 generic Oe 17"
Dunlop sport maxx TT. Oe 17" 235/45/17 94Y
Michelin Pilot Primacy 225 55 16 OE 16" (expensive, and better available)
Mid range
Kumho ku31 Oe 17"
Pirelli p6000. Oe 17"
Budget
Runway Enduro 916+ 97W XL Oe 235/45/17 ET33 (priced as budget, mid range quality )
Oe 225/55/16 ET35?
245/40/18 ET33 Irmscher Stila 8J x 18"
Accelera Alphas Oe 16"
Toyo proxy t1r. Oe 17"
Nexen CP461 Oe 16" 225/55/16 (speed and rating no longer available) (caution in standing water)
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The basis of this is minimal tramlining. Grip level as per group.
MUST BE VARIFIED BY TWO DIFFERENT MEMBERS
These tyres have been tested or owned ( which ever ) by Chrisgixer Taxi Al and TheBoy, vxlv6 , dbug, Mv6Matt Pauls and Entwood so far.
Premium
Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric Oe 17" 235/45R17 97 Y Extra Load - max load 730 Kg
Continental Sc3 mo Front 18" 8j 245/40/18. 93y(rim protection)
Continental Sc3 Mo Rear 18" 9j 265/35/18 97Y Extra load.
continental Sc3 generic Oe 17"
Dunlop sport maxx TT. Oe 17" 235/45/17 94Y
Michelin Pilot Primacy 225 55 16 OE 16" (expensive, and better available)
Pirelli P zero, Oe 17" 235 45 17 r 97w
Mid range
Kumho ku31 Oe 17"
Pirelli p6000. Oe 17"
Budget
Runway Enduro 916+ 97W XL Oe 235/45/17 ET33 (priced as budget, mid range quality )
Oe 225/55/16 ET35?
245/40/18 ET33 Irmscher Stila 8J x 18"
Accelera Alphas Oe 16"
Toyo proxy t1r. Oe 17"
Nexen CP461 Oe 16" 225/55/16 (speed and rating no longer
available) (caution in standing water)
Westlake Oe17" 235 45 ZR17 97W M+S (test for no Tramlining
only )
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I totally agree with ffgary1 about the Michelin Pilot Primacy tyres as I have them on my car also finding them quiet and sure footed with no tramlining plus they appear to be wearing very well after approximately 12,000 miles. My pressures are 30 p.s.i. Front and 33 p.s.i. Rear.
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The basis of this is minimal tramlining. Grip level as per group.
MUST BE VARIFIED BY TWO DIFFERENT MEMBERS
These tyres have been tested or owned ( which ever ) by Chrisgixer Taxi Al and TheBoy, vxlv6 , dbug, Mv6Matt Pauls and Entwood so far.
Premium
Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric Oe 17" 235/45R17 97 Y Extra Load - max load 730 Kg
Continental Sc3 mo Front 18" 8j 245/40/18. 93y(rim protection)
Continental Sc3 Mo Rear 18" 9j 265/35/18 97Y Extra load.
continental Sc3 generic Oe 17"
Dunlop sport maxx TT. Oe 17" 235/45/17 94Y
Michelin Pilot Primacy 225 55 16 OE 16" (expensive, and better available)
Pirelli P zero, Oe 17" 235 45 17 r 97w
Mid range
Kumho ku31 Oe 17"
Pirelli p6000. Oe 17"
Budget
Runway Enduro 916+ 97W XL Oe 235/45/17 ET33 (priced as budget, mid range quality )
Oe 225/55/16 ET35?
245/40/18 ET33 Irmscher Stila 8J x 18"
Accelera Alphas Oe 16"
Toyo proxy t1r. Oe 17"
Nexen CP461 Oe 16" 225/55/16 (speed and rating no longer
available) (caution in standing water)
Westlake Oe17" 235 45 ZR17 97W M+S (test for no Tramlining
only )
Who were the 2 members who varyfied (veryfied) these? Also which tyre are they - Westlake make a number of different grades.
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Myself and Pauls.
Sv308 iirc maybe Paul's will confirm?
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Myself and Pauls.
Sv308 iirc maybe Paul's will confirm?
OK thanx
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Myself and Pauls.
Sv308 iirc maybe Paul's will confirm?
yes sv308
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Myself and Pauls.
Sv308 iirc maybe Paul's will confirm?
yes sv308
Thankyou Paul, and for your OOF spirit today. :y
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The basis of this is minimal tramlining. Grip level as per group.
MUST BE VARIFIED BY TWO DIFFERENT MEMBERS
These tyres have been tested or owned ( which ever ) by Chrisgixer Taxi Al and TheBoy, vxlv6 , dbug, Mv6Matt Pauls and Entwood so far.
Premium
Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric Oe 17" 235/45R17 97 Y Extra Load - max load 730 Kg
Continental Sc3 mo Front 18" 8j 245/40/18. 93y(rim protection)
Continental Sc3 Mo Rear 18" 9j 265/35/18 97Y Extra load.
continental Sc3 generic Oe 17"
Dunlop sport maxx TT. Oe 17" 235/45/17 94Y
Michelin Pilot Primacy 225 55 16 OE 16" (expensive, and better available)
Pirelli P zero, Oe 17" 235 45 17 r 97w
Mid range
Kumho ku31 Oe 17"
Pirelli p6000. Oe 17"
Budget
Runway Enduro 916+ 97W XL Oe 235/45/17 ET33 (priced as budget, mid range quality )
Oe 225/55/16 ET35?
245/40/18 ET33 Irmscher Stila 8J x 18"
Accelera Alphas Oe 16"
Toyo proxy t1r. Oe 17"
Nexen CP461 Oe 16" 225/55/16 (speed and rating no longer
available) (caution in standing water)
Westlake sv308 Oe17" 235 45 ZR17 97W M+S (test for no Tramlining
only )
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'03 2.5 V6 Estate - Goodyear EfficientGrip 225/55 R16 95W XL, F 34psi R 36psi.
On car when purchased (not new), now done 15K miles, rock steady (hands off wheel steady), very good dry, ok to good wet & snow, progressive break away, normally priced as mid range.
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'03 2.5 V6 Estate - Goodyear EfficientGrip 225/55 R16 95W XL, F 34psi R 36psi.
On car when purchased (not new), now done 15K miles, rock steady (hands off wheel steady), very good dry, ok to good wet & snow, progressive break away, normally priced as mid range.
Typo should be 2.6 V6
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'03 2.5 V6 Estate - Goodyear EfficientGrip 225/55 R16 95W XL, F 34psi R 36psi.
On car when purchased (not new), now done 15K miles, rock steady (hands off wheel steady), very good dry, ok to good wet & snow, progressive break away, normally priced as mid range.
Typo should be 2.6 V6
Thanks D. Can anyone varify these as driving straight for Mr Dbug? Sure they are but we need two members. Unless I've missed a previous post?
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'03 2.5 V6 Estate - Goodyear EfficientGrip 225/55 R16 95W XL, F 34psi R 36psi.
On car when purchased (not new), now done 15K miles, rock steady (hands off wheel steady), very good dry, ok to good wet & snow, progressive break away, normally priced as mid range.
Typo should be 2.6 V6
Thanks D. Can anyone varify these as driving straight for Mr Dbug? Sure they are but we need two members. Unless I've missed a previous post?
they drive straight.. I bought for a friend , but compound sacrificed for low consumption and long life.. I found braking and cornering inadequate for nutters like me :-\
size I tried was 215 55 16 on a chinese SUVish..
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well I have just looked at my rear tyres and its time to replace at least one of them as were at the markers.
ill be taking off a budget which I have no idea how long its been on think mother fitted it in 2012 and a nexen 225/55/r16 which was fitted around 2011 not sure on its mileage life would have to check my files and there not currently with me. I have never had a problem with the nexen until the last 2000/3000 miles where the car would drift (backend ) in wet weather and it hates standing water as has been previously mentioned.
ill be replacing the tyres with the Runway Enduro 916+ 97W XL
http://www.etyres.co.uk/car-tyres-uk/detaillabel?productId=22708 (http://www.etyres.co.uk/car-tyres-uk/detaillabel?productId=22708)
goig to have to wait until I go back up home though on the 27th :y
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well I have just looked at my rear tyres and its time to replace at least one of them as were at the markers.
ill be taking off a budget which I have no idea how long its been on think mother fitted it in 2012 and a nexen 225/55/r16 which was fitted around 2011 not sure on its mileage life would have to check my filesand there not currently with me. I have never had a problem with the nexen until ?the last 2000/3000 miles where the car would drift (backend ) in wet weather and it hates standing water as has been previously mentioned.
ill be replacing the tyres with the Runway Enduro 916+ 97W XLu
http://www.etyres.co.uk/car-tyres-uk/detaillabel?productId=22708 (http://www.etyres.co.uk/car-tyres-uk/detaillabel?productId=22708)
goig to have to wait until I go back up home though on the 27th :y
You keep files on your tyres? ;D
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well I have just looked at my rear tyres and its time to replace at least one of them as were at the markers.
ill be taking off a budget which I have no idea how long its been on think mother fitted it in 2012 and a nexen 225/55/r16 which was fitted around 2011 not sure on its mileage life would have to check my filesand there not currently with me. I have never had a problem with the nexen until ?the last 2000/3000 miles where the car would drift (backend ) in wet weather and it hates standing water as has been previously mentioned.
ill be replacing the tyres with the Runway Enduro 916+ 97W XLu
http://www.etyres.co.uk/car-tyres-uk/detaillabel?productId=22708 (http://www.etyres.co.uk/car-tyres-uk/detaillabel?productId=22708)
goig to have to wait until I go back up home though on the 27th :y
You keep files on your tyres? ;D
nope I keep files on my cars and I will have bound to have put the receipt in the file lol
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Marie, blackcircles are a smidgen cheaper, £68 :y
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So, are we adding Pirelli p6000 to this TB? :)
On checking they are already on the list. :-[ ;D
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So, are we adding Pirelli p6000 to this TB? :)
On checking they are already on the list. :-[ ;D
Sorry, I cannot recommend a tyre that I have only driven for a couple of hundred miles at most, and that is almost on the wear marker when I started.
I was a tad late going to Pristine Wheels, needed to pick up the wheel before they closed, so was a bit frisky. I would say they do exhibit bum clenching understeer on fast sweepers. But given the wear, and the balancing (lack of), thats to be expected. Counter to that, they gave me the confidence to at least try.
P6000 is obselete as well? I know we couldn't get them in Rover size - they were superb on the Rover. Superb.
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So, are we adding Pirelli p6000 to this TB? :)
On checking they are already on the list. :-[ ;D
Sorry, I cannot recommend a tyre that I have only driven for a couple of hundred miles at most, and that is almost on the wear marker when I started.
I was a tad late going to Pristine Wheels, needed to pick up the wheel before they closed, so was a bit frisky. I would say they do exhibit bum clenching understeer on fast sweepers. But given the wear, and the balancing (lack of), thats to be expected. Counter to that, they gave me the confidence to at least try.
P6000 is obselete as well? I know we couldn't get them in Rover size - they were superb on the Rover. Superb.
My 406 is shod with them as well,very impressed with them :y
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So, are we adding Pirelli p6000 to this TB? :)
On checking they are already on the list. :-[ ;D
Sorry, I cannot recommend a tyre that I have only driven for a couple of hundred miles at most, and that is almost on the wear marker when I started.
I was a tad late going to Pristine Wheels, needed to pick up the wheel before they closed, so was a bit frisky. I would say they do exhibit bum clenching understeer on fast sweepers. But given the wear, and the balancing (lack of), thats to be expected. Counter to that, they gave me the confidence to at least try.
P6000 is obselete as well? I know we couldn't get them in Rover size - they were superb on the Rover. Superb.
My 406 is shod with them as well,very impressed with them :y
Had them on my previous Rover 216, and never managed to get them to grip. Also on my Astra GTE they were rubbish, but never did find anything to make the front of that behave, hence flogged it (that and the £3k renewal premium).
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All valid points, but I'd like to remind everyone of the absolute basic level from which I intended this to start from. Stability. Anything above that level qualifies as being fit for purpose. In that the base level qualification is being met.
Once that is established THEN we can go on to describe a tyre as, for example, shit! Or understeers, or bloody noisy. Up to sticks like super model to a white line.
We can have the subjective discussions later, but I defy anyone to agree that, for example, sc5 are not suitable once they have driven them. These are not to be fitted. And come under horrific. :( which is a shame, given previous conti models.
Anyway p6000 are suitable for omega. Weather or not they are the best or worst of the "suitable" category... Well that's a whole differant story altogether.
Is that fair?
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If TB was closer, I would ask if I could fit SC5s to my car to see what the fuss is about ;D
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I would also recommend tests on Bridgestone potenza's.. either S001 or Re050.. if anyone have them ..
but not sure about they tramline or not ::)
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I would also recommend tests on Bridgestone potenza's.. either S001 or Re050.. if anyone have them ..
but not sure about they tramline or not ::)
So no personal experience of the tyre on an Omega then? Remind me why you are posting this?
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At the moment iam running 205/65vr/15 mxv3 michlen at front 30psi and 235/45/zr17 avon 3 on back 35psi
turn in is precise and sure,also can enter corners that were 40mph before now at 50/55 with no understeer,
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At the moment iam running 205/65vr/15 mxv3 michlen at front 30psi and 235/45/zr17 avon 3 on back 35psi
turn in is precise and sure,also can enter corners that were 40mph before now at 50/55 with no understeer,
Its a thread specific to tramlining, not handling.
We know the best Omega tyre, without doubt, is the now obselete Dunlop Sport Maxx TT - try them on a well set up chassis, and everything else is a disappointment for stability, grip, feedback and confidence. Dry, rain, and even quite good in the snow. Or if you are some Taxi bloke from down south, some budget tyres which apparently have good stability, and midrange grip ;D
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I would also recommend tests on Bridgestone potenza's.. either S001 or Re050.. if anyone have them ..
but not sure about they tramline or not ::)
So no personal experience of the tyre on an Omega then? Remind me why you are posting this?
I had the earlier model from s001 , adrenaline (215/55-16) (didnt tramline) on omega (same design though) was quite pleased with it.. Also Chris used them ;) and I remember some members used re050 (on omega) but cant remember now :-\
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I would also recommend tests on Bridgestone potenza's.. either S001 or Re050.. if anyone have them ..
but not sure about they tramline or not ::)
So no personal experience of the tyre on an Omega then? Remind me why you are posting this?
I had the earlier model from s001 , adrenaline (215/55-16) (didnt tramline) on omega (same design though) was quite pleased with it.. Also Chris used them ;) and I remember some members used re050 (on omega) but cant remember now :-\
Keep it to the ones you have personally tried on an Omega. Not ones that look similar. That just confuddles the issue.
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'03 2.5 V6 Estate - Goodyear EfficientGrip 225/55 R16 95W XL, F 34psi R 36psi.
Just replaced rears (down to 2.5mm, even wear across treads) with Enduros 225/55 R16 99W @ 36psi. Feels ok (had Enduros before on previous Omegas without issue) - will see how they are after a couple of thousand miles ;)
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I would also recommend tests on Bridgestone potenza's.. either S001 or Re050.. if anyone have them ..
but not sure about they tramline or not ::)
Not an Omega but have those on the wife's Astra and they are awful
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I would also recommend tests on Bridgestone potenza's.. either S001 or Re050.. if anyone have them ..
but not sure about they tramline or not ::)
Not an Omega but have those on the wife's Astra and they are awful
I can also list a bunch of awful tyres on omega ::) ;D
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A wee bump for this, I notice a certain admin has discovered his rubber has run out. Anything to add?
But...
The basis of this is
Remember please, purely factual, first hand experience, of tyres, on an omega only, THAT DO NOT TRAMLINE please. :)
Two members to agree, and its goes on the list. :y
Any more for any more. :)
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Nothing to add. We already knew SC5s were shite (no straight line stability, no grip) from the start. They didn't improve with age.
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Nothing to add here either, not going to rubbish last two different tyres as front suspension is still (very) experimental :-\
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The basis of this is minimal tramlining. Grip level as per group.
MUST BE VARIFIED BY TWO DIFFERENT MEMBERS
These tyres have been tested or owned ( which ever ) by Chrisgixer Taxi Al and TheBoy, vxlv6 , dbug, Mv6Matt Pauls and Entwood so far.
Premium
Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric. 18" 245/40/18 97Y XL reasonable grip, good high speed behaviour
Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric Oe 17" 235/45R17 97 Y Extra Load - max load 730 Kg
Continental Sc3 mo Front 18" 8j 245/40/18. 93y(rim protection)
Continental Sc3 Mo Rear 18" 9j 265/35/18 97Y Extra load.
continental Sc3 generic Oe 17"
Dunlop sport maxx TT. Oe 17" 235/45/17 94Y
Michelin Pilot Primacy 225 55 16 OE 16" (expensive, and better available)
Pirelli P zero, Oe 17" 235 45 17 r 97w
Mid range
Kumho ku31 Oe 17"
Pirelli p6000. Oe 17"
Budget
Runway Performance 926. 18" 245/45/18 Average performance at best. Better than Acceleras.
Runway Enduro 916+ 97W XL Oe 235/45/17 ET33 (priced as budget, mid range quality )
Oe 225/55/16 ET35?
245/40/18 ET33 Irmscher Stila 8J x 18"
Accelera Alphas Oe 16"
18" 245/40/18 97 XL. Nothing special, not particularly stable at speed
Toyo proxy t1r. Oe 17"
Nexen CP461 Oe 16" 225/55/16 (speed and rating no longer
available) (caution in standing water)
Westlake sv308 Oe17" 235 45 ZR17 97W M+S (test for no Tramlining
only )
Edited to update...
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I am going through the pain of finding the right tires for my 18" Sport Stars too. Last week I've fitted PU bushes + OEM rear bushes to my front wishbones. The car was driving like a dream again with the 235/45 17 Conti TS830P wintertires. I absolutely love those tires. However, as winter season has seem to come to an end I switched back to my Sporties yesterday, and got a reminder of an urgent need for new tires.
I have two cars running on these wheels, one on 4x 8J and one on 9J rears. I originally started the 8J set with Michelin Pilot Sport 2 tires, 245/40 93Y on front and 97Y XL on the back. At the first year I liked them, 2nd year came with the tramlining.
Meanwhile the 9J set (from Serek iirc) came from the UK to my driveway and after a refurb Good Year F2 Assy 2 tires were fitted. Didn't like them from day one. The good: fairly quiet, stable while breaking. But less grippy than the PS2's and I was having real issues with the 265's on the rear. Continuous vibrations even after 5x balancing done by multiple tire shops. In the end I had them trimmed and now it's gone by 80%. Overall I am not impressed with them.
As two PS2's from my 8J set were to replace last summer, I followed up the advise of a tire shop with experience with our kind of cars. They told me to look into Falken ZE 914 as that would be a more neutral tire which would fit with the characteristics of my heavy saloon. Or Dunlop RT's if I wanted a silent tire. I gave it a go and ordered 2 from Falken. After driving them for about 5.000km I must say the handling is indeed pretty neutral. The 914's don't shine at any point but they also don't really tramline. However, they also don't provide ANY rim protection. Which makes I want to replace them again with something else.
The good experience with my Conti 830's made me think to check out their summer line, but then I spent some time here reading the experiences you guys have and noticed the SC5 is surely not a good option. The SC3 MO does interest me. Also I was thinking of Michelin Primacy HP's, not in production anymore but still available in some shops. A few years ago I owned those in 235/45 17 and was very happy with them. At one point I was able to drive a set of 17" executive rims with the PS3's fitted (235/45) and they were almost equal to my PS2's regarding the negative aspects. Not an option.
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Sc3 mo have good rim protection. 245 40 r18 93y front. 265 35 18 97y rear
First set I had where absolutely bob on for straight line handling. Second set now and I currently have mild tram lining on the front. New idler waiting to go on. Currently cause unknown. Although the fronts where fitted on the wrong side at one point.
Generally though, I have yet to find tyres with a better life v grip level. Wet or dry very good. Not excellent, but very good.
My only real complaint is noise. Least important performance feature, but its there and affects communication in the car.
Camber needs to be 1.10 really. But they do slightly rub the wheel arch liner on compression. At 1.15 the problem is gone.
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Good to know about the rim protection on the SC3's, thanks. Sounds like the best option then at this point.
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I don't know what else to fit tbh. My absolute no1 priority is straight line stability.
Arguably the wider rears give a slight under steer tendency, so Dunlop rt fronts "might" be an improvement. With 265 sc3 mo rears.
However life will be significantly less. Possibly as much as 8k less, before the edges have gone.
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I am not looking for maximum cornering speeds. Driving the car mostly at the motorway so I am with you, putting the straight line stability as a first requirement. A bit more tire noise is okay to me when the stability compensates for that.
Tire life... my TS830P's aren't on their way to reach a high number of milage either. I am fine with that, they served me well so far. 3.5-4mm's left.
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Worth a look at all this first...? :)
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90492.0
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Been through that. And with three Migs I can clearly point the finger to the tires. ;D
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Just ordered the Conti's, hopefully they can be fitted at the end of the week. One of my current PS2's is feeling the departure with me I guess, as I found it being completely empty this morning.
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Generally though, I have yet to find tyres with a better life v grip level. Wet or dry very good. Not excellent, but very good.
As the OP is not UK based, and uses Winters, the lack of any grip in snow is not relevant. But anyone reading who doesn't use winter tyres needs to be aware that SC3s are quite "interesting" in the snow, from what chrisgixer has said before.
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Generally though, I have yet to find tyres with a better life v grip level. Wet or dry very good. Not excellent, but very good.
As the OP is not UK based, and uses Winters, the lack of any grip in snow is not relevant. But anyone reading who doesn't use winter tyres needs to be aware that SC3s are quite "interesting" in the snow, from what chrisgixer has said before.
Yes, they are shockingly poor in snow. Iirc, in tests of stopping distances in snow, they used sc3 to justify winter tyres, hence excellent for a winter tyre test for manufacturers.
But, after all other tyres in the test had stopped, the sc3 was still doing something in the order of 26-29 miles an hour. :o
I can vouch for this, last we had snow. 3(?) years ago now is it? 40mph ish. Approaching traffic lights in the distance. Thought I better brake test well before I need to brake. See what happens. I'd say at least four times as long a brake distance allowed for.
Luckily the approaching traffic lights where a straight through on a roundabout. So I was able to steer round the round about, rather than follow my intended course straight though as normal. Otherwise there would have been an accident. Big time. :( :o
Good job then that they are much more suited to our current wet weather in winter in recent years. For that they are, did I mention, very good. ;)
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Haha, I remember the day I drove with my fresh PS2's to work all nice and sunny, and then it started snowing. The way home was a disaster. Imo a set Sporties needs to be backed up with a set of winter tires.
Anyways, a few weeks ago I ordered the first pair of SC3's. Fitting them took a bit longer than expected but finally I've got them on the car now. Chris, a big thanks for the recommendation, these tires are the best I've driven on the Omega so far. Totally in love with them, so today the 2nd pair got delivered. These will replace the front tires of the 2nd car, will change the GY AS2 tires to the rears of my Omega which is running the 8J set.
Noise level is a bit higher than the GY's but on par with the PS2's. I don't mind it at all and the great handling would make up for it when I did.. No tramlining at all, almost unreal.. perfect! :D
Also liking the rim protection the SC3 offers:
(http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww356/Busteronyx/01_Omega/2014/2014_03_22/2014-03-19183057m_zps7bd144bd.jpg)
(http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww356/Busteronyx/01_Omega/2014/2014_03_22/2014-03-19183116m_zps5d4b3e78.jpg)
Falken (on the car) vs. SC3 vs GY AS2
(http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww356/Busteronyx/01_Omega/2014/2014_03_22/IMG_2739m_zpsd53db074.jpg)
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mmmm the way I read your post above .. you are putting new tyres on the front, and old tyres on the rear ??
Be advised this is NOT the recommended procedure, which is to ALWAYS (regardless of RWD or FWD) to have the best tyres on the rear to avoid major problems, especially in the wet or other slippery conditions ..
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Rears still have 6mm on them, so that is not an issue. :)
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Thanks for feedback. Glad you like them. :y
Took some time, research, Money, and a lot of help from members here to diagnose my handling problems as purely tyre related on Falkens. Kevin Wood recommended sc3 to me. And later found the mo variants with rim protection and rock steady handling for sport star sizes.
As you say. They are noisy. ...and expensive. But needs must.
I'm going to try Dunlop sport maxx rt on the front next. More grip, to match the 9j rears, better grip...quieter, but won't last as long, by some distance. A fraction less stable than sc3 though I fear... (Wince)
If I had 245's front and rear, I'd stick with sc3 mo all round. But 9j 265 with sc3 mo rears demand a bit more grip from the front.
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Thanks for feedback. Glad you like them. :y
Took some time, research, Money, and a lot of help from members here to diagnose my handling problems as purely tyre related on Falkens. Kevin Wood recommended sc3 to me. And later found the mo variants with rim protection and rock steady handling for sport star sizes.
As you say. They are noisy. ...and expensive. But needs must.
I'm going to try Dunlop sport maxx rt on the front next. More grip, to match the 9j rears, better grip...quieter, but won't last as long, by some distance. A fraction less stable than sc3 though I fear... (Wince)
If I had 245's front and rear, I'd stick with sc3 mo all round. But 9j 265 with sc3 mo rears demand a bit more grip from the front.
I await with interest, as TBE needs new fronts soon.
I still have RT's on the front of the Bullet, but they are also past their best, with the usual TB noddy clown car profile. You are welcome, of course, to slap them on yours for a test, although being a different size, not a true like for like test.
Has anyone compared grip/life between generic SC3 and SC3-MO? As I wasn't overly impressed with generic SC3 when I tried them a few years back.
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I think you'll find sc3 have less grip but last longer than rt.
So given less grip naturally means less life, you won't be happy with sc3. I recommended them to you as you said you wanted more tyre life.
You won't accept less grip though, so will probably scrub them out in less time than rt.
Mr TB needs to drive inside whatever envelope he has at the time. Not carry on regardless. ;D
...although I quite like that approach, you wont appreciate the recommendation without adjusting your ...rate of "progress". ;D
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I think you'll find sc3 have less grip but last longer than rt.
So given less grip naturally means less life, you won't be happy with sc3. I recommended them to you as you said you wanted more tyre life.
You won't accept less grip though, so will probably scrub them out in less time than rt.
Mr TB needs to drive inside whatever envelope he has at the time. Not carry on regardless. ;D
...although I quite like that approach, you wont appreciate the recommendation without adjusting your ...rate of "progress". ;D
I hear what you're saying, but you drive harder than I do, so I'm perplexed why you get a gazillion miles off relatively soft tyres, and I'm struggling to get 10k off the rears. On either Omega.
I'm hoping the tyres on the BB will last 100k. I suspect the useless student will be after a set.
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I suspect, given the pressures used, every mm of the sidewalls gets used for cornering, which saves scrubbing the tread ::)
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34 psi in a saloon.
2psi more than the manual states. :y
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I run my saloons around 34 front and 30 rear, in order to try to even out the wear a bit
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Thanks for feedback. Glad you like them. :y
Took some time, research, Money, and a lot of help from members here to diagnose my handling problems as purely tyre related on Falkens. Kevin Wood recommended sc3 to me. And later found the mo variants with rim protection and rock steady handling for sport star sizes.
As you say. They are noisy. ...and expensive. But needs must.
I'm going to try Dunlop sport maxx rt on the front next. More grip, to match the 9j rears, better grip...quieter, but won't last as long, by some distance. A fraction less stable than sc3 though I fear... (Wince)
If I had 245's front and rear, I'd stick with sc3 mo all round. But 9j 265 with sc3 mo rears demand a bit more grip from the front.
I have these on the Phaeton - they are indestructible - now on 43000 miles. But I drive sensibly in straight lines and only tram lines I come across are between Manchester Victoria station and Ashton Under Lyne when I come off M60.
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Sorry slight correction - mine are the Dunlop SP Sport Max TT
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Sorry slight correction - mine are the Dunlop SP Sport Max TT
I loved the TT, but obsolete, RT is replacement. On an Omega, the TT's felt more planted in the road, though I felt the RT gave more grip.
I can only dream of 43k though :'(
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As a guide, Mr TB got less than a quarter of those miles from his TT's
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Kumho ku39
I see Mr Wood has them...
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Goodyear Eagle F1 Assym 2s seem pretty capable, even on wet roads :y
A bit pricier than the Kuhmos though, about £130 a corner for 245/45/18s :y
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Anyone know the technical difference between Dunlop Sport 01 and Dunlop Sport Max?
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Goodyear Eagle F1 Assym 2s seem pretty capable, even on wet roads :y
A bit pricier than the Kuhmos though, about £130 a corner for 245/45/18s :y
Maybe I'm expecting a bit much, but grip levels weren't up to expectations. Although, IIRC, this thread is for straight line stability, in which case they are good... ...until you give the fronts the profile of a bike tyre ::)
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So what would happen if you reduced the width on Omega's......????
Ive just gone from 215's to 205's (they didnt have 215's in stock)
Immediate difference i noticed was how much i didnt feel the rough road surface.... :-\
I dont thrash the passat......so dunno what the reduced tyre size has done to gripablility :-\
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The basis of this is minimal tramlining. Grip level as per group.
MUST BE VARIFIED BY TWO DIFFERENT MEMBERS
These tyres have been tested or owned ( which ever ) by Chrisgixer Taxi Al and TheBoy, vxlv6 , dbug, Mv6Matt Pauls and Entwood so far.
Premium
Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric Oe 17" 235/45R17 97 Y Extra Load - max load 730 Kg
Continental Sc3 mo Front 18" 8j 245/40/18. 93y(rim protection)
Continental Sc3 Mo Rear 18" 9j 265/35/18 97Y Extra load.
continental Sc3 generic Oe 17"
Dunlop sport maxx TT. Oe 17" 235/45/17 94Y
Michelin Pilot Primacy 225 55 16 OE 16" (expensive, and better available)
Pirelli P zero, Oe 17" 235 45 17 r 97w
Mid range
Kumho ku31 Oe 17"
Pirelli p6000. Oe 17"
Budget
Runway Enduro 916+ 97W XL Oe 235/45/17 ET33 (priced as budget, mid range quality )
Oe 225/55/16 ET35?
245/40/18 ET33 Irmscher Stila 8J x 18"
Accelera Alphas Oe 16"
Toyo proxy t1r. Oe 17"
Nexen CP461 Oe 16" 225/55/16 (speed and rating no longer
available) (caution in standing water)
Westlake sv308 Oe17" 235 45 ZR17 97W M+S (test for no Tramlining only )
A good review on F1 Asym 2 here.
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=124442.0
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Thanks for feedback. Glad you like them. :y
Took some time, research, Money, and a lot of help from members here to diagnose my handling problems as purely tyre related on Falkens. Kevin Wood recommended sc3 to me. And later found the mo variants with rim protection and rock steady handling for sport star sizes.
As you say. They are noisy. ...and expensive. But needs must.
I'm going to try Dunlop sport maxx rt on the front next. More grip, to match the 9j rears, better grip...quieter, but won't last as long, by some distance. A fraction less stable than sc3 though I fear... (Wince)
If I had 245's front and rear, I'd stick with sc3 mo all round. But 9j 265 with sc3 mo rears demand a bit more grip from the front.
Dunlop sport maxx rt 245 40 18 97xl fitted to the front.
First impressions. More grip than sc3 mo. Much quieter. Not quite as stable but still very good. More grip than the 265 sc3 mo n the rear, so just confirms what we already knew, rt have more grip than sc3 mo.
Now, let's see how long they last. :)
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So what would happen if you reduced the width on Omega's...... ??? ?
Ive just gone from 215's to 205's (they didnt have 215's in stock)
Immediate difference i noticed was how much i didnt feel the rough road surface.... :-\
I dont thrash the passat......so dunno what the reduced tyre size has done to gripablility :-\
I have been checking the net and discussions about tyre grip as a function of width..
first I'll say my conclusion : on streets and crowded, speed limited motorways where you have low/normal speeds
you can practically assume physics basic friction law to be mostly applicable(with rare exceptions).. so you wont feel a difference between an 205 or 235 tyre.
however, looking at the fuel bills their grip differences are measurable ;D (also as a function of tyre weight)
now when the time comes to test/measure their lateral g differences at curves with serious speed, the picture changes .. because tyres dont have a static shape and dont behave like static solid friction blocks..
and also when you compare those tyres for drag type usage of course wider tyres will make difference..
but more important than that, the tyre design, tyre temperature , environment temperature , environment surface conditions plays a very critical role which is the mostly ignored factor.. :-\
as a basic example compare 2 cars, one having winter tyres with 205 and other car with summer tyres 265 width where surface is snowy/icy and temperatures around 0 celcius.. I think everyone can predict the difference..
ps: I have used 195 , 205,215 and 225 size tyres on omega on a wide speed range .. and I have noticed drive train components like shocks, springs and wishbones effect more than the tyre (assuming the tyre is not a very low quality type
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Guys this thread is probably one of very few on here accepted as needing to stay on topic. It's purely for omegas on standard size tyres.
The idea is, it can be of use to omega owners wanting the best from their cars in buying tyres that ARE KNOWN TO WORK to a basic satisfactory level.
What we want to avoid is members spending spending comparatively vast sums of money on a set of tyres that destroy the handling of the car, such as we had with Falkens in some cases and conti sports contact 5, leaving members with a large and very unnecessary bill.
Please keep posts here within that subject. There's plenty of TB's server space elsewhere to take things off at a tangent.
Thanks
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Has anyone any experience of using Nexen budget tyres?
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Has anyone any experience of using Nexen budget tyres?
CP641 225/55/16 were ok on our old DTi estate, although it wasn't particularly pushed hard and it would let go quite easily on wet roads.
If we still had the car I would have put Accelera Alpha's on next time round to be honest.
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Guys this thread is probably one of very few on here accepted as needing to stay on topic. It's purely for omegas on standard size tyres.
The idea is, it can be of use to omega owners wanting the best from their cars in buying tyres that ARE KNOWN TO WORK to a basic satisfactory level.
What we want to avoid is members spending spending comparatively vast sums of money on a set of tyres that destroy the handling of the car, such as we had with Falkens in some cases and conti sports contact 5, leaving members with a large and very unnecessary bill.
Please keep posts here within that subject. There's plenty of TB's server space elsewhere to take things off at a tangent.
Thanks
Chris , İf that post aims my post , there was a question that was unanswered which is also as important as the threads subject.. and highly related as it effects the tyre selection and cost.. and I find it meaningless to limit the tyre size to standard factory fitment
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Has anyone any experience of using Nexen budget tyres?
CP641 (225/55/16) offer above budget levels of grip in the dry and damp. Heavy rain, though, they can catch you out.
N6000 (235/45/17) is more a midrange tyre, and behaves like one. Outright grip is lower than premium tyres, but the dry v wet grip is more balanced than most budgets.
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Has anyone any experience of using Nexen budget tyres?
Have a pair of N800's fitted to my Signum, 225 45 18 95Y XL
Done about 2k with them and they are as good as the old Falkens that were on there. But I have never really liked the Falkens when I had them on my MV6 or on my old Signum, but on this one they seem better
The Nexen's have a very wide gap between tread in the centre of tyre which I think helps them perform in the wet and seem to grip fine in the dry. As for wear rate, only time will tell, but pushing between 260 - 280 BHP through the front wheels its unlikely any tyre will last too long!
They are noticably noiser on some road surfaces - mainly concrete on the M25 around jct 8-12 area :-)
To be honest I only got them by mistake, but £85 each mobile fitted if they only last 10k I won't be too worried
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Dunlop sport mx rt
245 40 18
Lasted 12,500. The last 6000 or so where not particularly plesent regarding stability, still plenty of useable tread in the middle but the edges where shot, which would explNe the sometimes violent darting off line on the brakes, so I'd say, unacceptable towards the end of their life. Very good grip level though. Quieter than sc3.
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Michelin pilot super sports fitted.
245 40 18 97yMo £116 each from tyre leader, fitted for a further £15
First impression. Feel like falkens. (O-oh ;D ) soft quiet and forgiving. But with almost zero tram lining/feedback from the road surface. They are bullet straight, but have a strange numb feel dead ahead. These could be a complete disaster or the answer to my prayers ;D will see how they wear.
Grip? To early to say. But suspect they will work well. Fairly quiet.
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Talking of tyres for 18"s what is standard size 235 40 18 or 245 40 18. Also what tyre pressures.
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Talking of tyres for 18"s what is standard size 235 40 18 or 245 40 18. Also what tyre pressures.
Both sizes are officially acceptable :y
As for pressures, I run mine at 41psi front and 45 psi rear... For reference, that Gixer bloke runs his at almost flat... 30 psi or there abouts iirc :D
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Talking of tyres for 18"s what is standard size 235 40 18 or 245 40 18. Also what tyre pressures.
As Al says both sizes are recommended according to the Irmscher tuv certificate.
Pressure, winter I run between 30 and 32. Summer 33/34. That taxi Al bloke runs his at max load pressures all year round. Which would drive me up the wall as far as ride is concerned. That TB bloke suggests an increased front pressure to to take the load off edges. And a decreased rear pressure to counter the excess wear in the middle. I think it's the suspension the wears the front edges though, and the rears do the same reguardless, so can't see pressure making much difference to edge wear, preferring to set it for ride comfort.
A few psi does make a noticeable (to me) difference to the ride. Imagine what an extra ~10psi feels like :o
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A few psi does make a noticeable (to me) difference to the ride. Imagine what an extra~10psi feels like :o
Like a go kart with body roll :D
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I find go carts more compliant tbh. Even fully loaded :-[ ;D
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Generally I start at 34 front, 30 rear, irrespective of 17" or 18", and then tweak from there. Probably don't want to deviate outside that range by much, as underinflated can cause damage, overinflation wipes out any handling (and comfort).
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Ah TB. Iirc you have some feedback on ...Nexen? Was it?
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Ah TB. Iirc you have some feedback on ...Nexen? Was it?
Nexen N6000? Not had them over the life of a tyre though, as I wouldn't have been daft enough to buy them ;D
235/45/17 (owned from about 5mm to 3.5mm) - very good stability and a "nice ride". Makes the car a really nice cruiser. They really do. Quiet to. Wear rate looks reasonable too.
But absolutely shocking shite grip levels, wet or dry. Not the large difference between wet and dry, like you get with budgets. Just relatively poor grip under all conditions, long laterally and longitudinally.
They may be suitable for some under specific conditions, but absolutely not for spirited drivers.
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Even I don't like the grip offered by Nexens N6000. Perhaps on the 2.2 they would be fine, but with the 3.2's power delivery I can easily spin them up. Even leaving the car park, carefully!
Wear rate is poor too, 14k maybe? Pants!
least think it's 14, forget the miles on it when I bought it :-[
Just ticked over on 150k
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Even I don't like the grip offered by Nexens N6000. Perhaps on the 2.2 they would be fine, but with the 3.2's power delivery I can easily spin them up. Even leaving the car park, carefully!
Wear rate is poor too, 14k maybe? Pants!
least think it's 14, forget the miles on it when I bought it :-[
Just ticked over on 150k
As yes, forgot you had them. Mediocre grip aside, what do you think of them (from a stability, anti tramline, noise and ride comfort perspective)?
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I shall add debica to the mix of things.
Budget brand and have found them very good in all weather. These are also a cheaper version of Goodyear.
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Even I don't like the grip offered by Nexens N6000. Perhaps on the 2.2 they would be fine, but with the 3.2's power delivery I can easily spin them up. Even leaving the car park, carefully!
Wear rate is poor too, 14k maybe? Pants!
least think it's 14, forget the miles on it when I bought it :-[
Just ticked over on 150k
As yes, forgot you had them. Mediocre grip aside, what do you think of them (from a stability, anti tramline, noise and ride comfort perspective)?
I don't think I push it hard enough really, but noise wise they are reasonable and had no issues with tramlining
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Dunlop sport mx rt
245 40 18
Lasted 12,500. The last 6000 or so where not particularly plesent regarding stability, still plenty of useable tread in the middle but the edges where shot, which would explNe the sometimes violent darting off line on the brakes, so I'd say, unacceptable towards the end of their life. Very good grip level though. Quieter than sc3.
So these RT's....
On grounds of stability. Recommended or not?
Personally, I'd say somewhere between no, to undecided.
They where along the lines of Falkens at the start of their life. Especially comparing them to the previous TT's. Immediately noticeably less stable, and also less so than my old sc3 mo, picking up on road imperfections and darting about a bit on uneven surfaces.
Not as bad as Falkens from new but getting that way. Obviously if that instability is there from new, then it can only get worse with wear. And they did get worse. After pondering for some time, given the violent darting off line under emergency braking and sometimes just normal braking..... Would I recommend these to another member with an omega? On 18's.... No I don't think I would tbh.
Not without a serious advisory anyway.
Good grip level. Quiet. But I think if I had these on the rear as well, it would be Falken territory. Maybe not as bad as I had with the 912's but I wouldn't want another member to suffer these tbh.
With spirited driving, on grounds of safety due to instability they really should be binned by half their life tbh. If Mrs Gixer drove the car and had to emergency brake on an uneven surface, I don't think she'd have the strength to keep it on line. :(
Please note;
18" wheels
245 40 18
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I shall add debica to the mix of things.
Budget brand and have found them very good in all weather. These are also a cheaper version of Goodyear.
I've not tried them on an Omega. So my comments don't really count, but I have them on the battlebus and they have very low grip levels. Certainly not in the same league as premium or even mid-range tyres. Quite noisy as well.
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After pondering for some time, given the violent darting off line under emergency braking and sometimes just normal braking..... Would I recommend these to another member with an omega? On 18's.... No I don't think I would tbh.
This adds an extra complication. As whilst the current set I have aren't a patch on the set I had a couple of years ago, both grip and straight line stability, I most definitely am not see the "violent" direction changes under heavy braking, and would be unconcerned with Mrs TB had to do heavy braking in that car.
And you probably understand better than most what my idea of heavy braking is :-[
235/45/17, need to check load index, but definitely not XL. 94/95.
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Big difference between heavy braking from speed and "Ohshitwe'reabouttodie" panic braking imho...
Have yet to drive an Abs email equipped car that doesn't momentarily pull one way, left usually, when the pedal is applied in a panic at speed... :-\
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Big difference between heavy braking from speed and "Ohshitwe'reabouttodie" panic braking imho...
Have yet to drive an Abs email equipped car that doesn't momentarily pull one way, left usually, when the pedal is applied in a panic at speed... :-\
Is there? :-[
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Braking from motorway ish speeds :-X to say a roundabout/traffic light is a relatively controlled and thought out process... Braking hard because some idiott has just joined lane 3 at 45 mph without warning/looking/caring is a panic reaction... The two are very different applications of the brakes even though the net result might be broadly similar ;)
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Point is, they aren't stable enough Ime.
TB yours are 17 I believe? So there is a difference that might account for something there?
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Point is, they aren't stable enough Ime.
TB yours are 17 I believe? So there is a difference that might account for something there?
Yes. All my RTs (and TTs) have been 17"
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Michelin pilot super sport
...still bullet straight stable and gripping very very well indeed.
Wear may well be poor though, but acceptable for the money given its top end price range.