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[STEMO]

Jaguar car brand to be all-electric by 2025 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56072019

[Doctor Gollum]

Might make their engines a bit more reliable

[STEMO]

Might make their engines a bit more reliable

He should set up charging points on his estate and open them to the public. For a fee, of course.

[Nick W]

Might make their engines a bit more reliable

The engines weren't a problem, as they were old fashioned and under-stressed.
But, he cars weren't very well made and the electrical systems were crap.


One would hope that last one has improved if they're going all electric....

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Jaguar car brand to be all-electric by 2025 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56072019

I'm as depressed as Marvin....

I think the E-Type and XJ6/12 from the sixties and seventies were 'slung together' by an apathetic workforce who just didn't care.

Both my 'Jaaaags' are well screwed together, and have only suffered with relatively minor problems.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Jaguar Satnav is antiquated.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

This is the last time the old girl had a wash and wax. Late August/early September. Covered in crap now.

[Rangie]

Yes they've really thought this through 😄

[biggriffin]

Even the milkman could soon be delivering optis milk in a jaaaag

[Sir Tigger KC]

I know this isn't a popular view amongst all you diesel-heads here, but I think the established car manufacturers are way behind the curve when it comes to EV's and have let the newcomers like Tesla steal a march.   

You'd think that once they fully engage though, the likes of Ford, GM, JLR, Toyota etc will wipe the floor with Tesla and the newer Chinese companies, but we'll see! 

[Broomies Mate]

I know this isn't a popular view amongst all you diesel-heads here, but I think the established car manufacturers are way behind the curve when it comes to EV's and have let the newcomers like Tesla steal a march.   

You'd think that once they fully engage though, the likes of Ford, GM, JLR, Toyota etc will wipe the floor with Tesla and the newer Chinese companies, but we'll see! 

Yeah, kinda..... Had it not been for Tesla, the 'well established' manufacturers would have continued to drag their heels and do the square root of naff-all.

I'll hold judgement for now, but when first to market has patents on so many things, it does somewhat thwart the opposition.

[Sir Tigger KC]

This is the last time the old girl had a wash and wax. Late August/early September. Covered in crap now.

There are companies out there that will remove that dirty, smelly, polluting, noisy, ICE from your Jaaag and replace it with a quiet smooth clean electric motor and you'd probably have more power as well!     

What's not to like?! 

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

The batteries would run out of juice before he got off his estate. 

[Marks DTM Calib]

Ex JLR management car that one.

As for the patents and Tesla, you would think they have them but, there is virtually nothing of importance! No surprise though as electrical drive and batteries have been around for a very long time in other applications.

As for the electrical systems, never been a weakness, software, now that's a different story

[Raeturbo]

The question still remains, where are we going to get all the power from? We can only just keep up with demand in a bad winter.

[Sir Tigger KC]

The question still remains, where are we going to get all the power from? We can only just keep up with demand in a bad winter.

Apparently Texas has power cuts at the moments as all their wind turbines have frozen up.     Ooops! 

[Raeturbo]

An electric car on average can consume as much as your house yearly. We would be dodging though the forest of windmills and could get propelled to a different galaxy

[BazaJT]

A bloke near me had a MK1 Leaf for a few years then just pre-Covid he traded it for a new MKII version.I bet he's regretted that idea as the new one has spent more time being taken away by the RAC[and relaced by a Vauxhall Mokka]than it's spent on his drive.

[Varche]

An electric car on average can consume as much as your house yearly. We would be dodging though the forest of windmills and could get propelled to a different galaxy

How about using diesel or petrol stocks to power generators to create electric for cars?

[Raeturbo]

An electric car on average can consume as much as your house yearly. We would be dodging though the forest of windmills and could get propelled to a different galaxy

How about using diesel or petrol stocks to power generators to create electric for cars?

                Good job you’re joking😂

[dave the builder]

Indeed ,
a nice 20 KVA trailer mount diesel generator towed behind could recharge the batteries 

[Nick W]

A bloke near me had a MK1 Leaf for a few years then just pre-Covid he traded it for a new MKII version.I bet he's regretted that idea as the new one has spent more time being taken away by the RAC[and relaced by a Vauxhall Mokka]than it's spent on his drive.

Of course, ICE Renault/Nissans never go wrong and are superb cars in their own right.


I recovered several mk1 Leafs, but only one had an actual fault - it wouldn't charge - the rest had no range. You would be amazed the number of ordinary breakdowns that were miraculously 'cured' with £10 of fuel. That were never the driver's fault.....


Nissan got the Leaf right; although the floorpan is different to accomodate the batteries, the rest of the mecchanical parts are Note, with the electric motor and diff sized and shaped to fit where the engine & gearbox did so that the crash structure was the same.


Toyota did the same their (pointless) hybrids; the first couple of Prius looked different to thr rest of the range, but now the only way of telling that a parked Yaris/Auris/Lexus is a hybrid is by looking at the badge.

[Marks DTM Calib]

Nissan got the Leaf right; although the floorpan is different to accomodate the batteries, the rest of the mecchanical parts are Note, with the electric motor and diff sized and shaped to fit where the engine & gearbox did so that the crash structure was the same.


Toyota did the same their (pointless) hybrids; the first couple of Prius looked different to thr rest of the range, but now the only way of telling that a parked Yaris/Auris/Lexus is a hybrid is by looking at the badge.

That's easy to do when you have a car which can afford to be just another car all be it with an electric power train.

A major issue is when you need to be more than that, the forces the motors place on the structure can be huge, many times that of an ICE. Plus the battery weight has to be low to get handling, again not really an issue with a default box.

[Andy B]

An electric car on average can consume as much as your house yearly. We would be dodging though the forest of windmills and could get propelled to a different galaxy

How about using diesel or petrol stocks to power generators to create electric for cars?

                Good job you’re joking😂

A bit like this  .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBwcwnKHVJA

[Nick W]

Nissan got the Leaf right; although the floorpan is different to accomodate the batteries, the rest of the mecchanical parts are Note, with the electric motor and diff sized and shaped to fit where the engine & gearbox did so that the crash structure was the same.


Toyota did the same their (pointless) hybrids; the first couple of Prius looked different to thr rest of the range, but now the only way of telling that a parked Yaris/Auris/Lexus is a hybrid is by looking at the badge.

That's easy to do when you have a car which can afford to be just another car all be it with an electric power train.

A major issue is when you need to be more than that, the forces the motors place on the structure can be huge, many times that of an ICE. Plus the battery weight has to be low to get handling, again not really an issue with a default box.

I know that it isn't the best way of getting all the benefits of an electric car, but you have to start somewhere. Doing that with proven bits you already have is the way to do that. 


And lets not pretend that electric cars are anything other than an alternative power source, propped up with a lot of unsustainable hype.

[Marks DTM Calib]

A good electric car is designed just as an electric car, there is only one make of these out there and that is Tesla, all the others are adapted platforms (the iPace is close but, its still a D7a platform with heavily modified floor pan), this is changing..............

Electric is the answer for many many reasons (and not just emissions, ADAS, simplicity, lower losses, driveability etc etc) and yes, it might be a case of the pollution is moved elsewhere but, the opportunities are much improved for low carbon power sources to provide the juice.

The real challenge is the energy storage medium, be it chemical or battery 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Not sure how true this is but.......

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

 

[Sir Tigger KC]

Probably not far from the truth TBH. 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

https://youtu.be/JcJ8me22NVs

I don't think staff wages will be too high.

[Raeturbo]

Wow... slavery! and not a white man to be seen