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[Doctor Gollum]

https://youtu.be/5vE5r5P_a0M?si=cYbz8iqRSsUgwsVm

At least TB will still be able to buy his engine parts from Peugeot...

[TheBoy]

And Ford.

Although I doubt anyone at JLR is concerned about the profitability of the company, not matter how much of a bee in his bonnet that Geoff Buys Cars has with Landrover in particular.  He has an even bigger bee in his bonnet over EVs, remember

If keyless entry is a concern, disable it.  It's not a Range Rover specific problem, it just so happens that nicked FF RR's are desirable when shipped abroad and the crocks can turn a decent profit.

[STEMO]

And Ford.

Although I doubt anyone at JLR is concerned about the profitability of the company, not matter how much of a bee in his bonnet that Geoff Buys Cars has with Landrover in particular.  He has an even bigger bee in his bonnet over EVs, remember

If keyless entry is a concern, disable it.  It's not a Range Rover specific problem, it just so happens that nicked FF RR's are desirable when shipped abroad and the crocks can turn a decent profit.

Don't forget you can sort them crocks out with a crocklock 

[TheBoy]

I mean, look how Geoff Buys Cars wanked himself senseless when he tried to convince everyone the Luton fire was an EV....   ...then an extra wank when he found out it was a Landrover/Range Rover (but still in his mind a EV version).  The guy is a clickbait pillock.

[TheBoy]

And Ford.

Although I doubt anyone at JLR is concerned about the profitability of the company, not matter how much of a bee in his bonnet that Geoff Buys Cars has with Landrover in particular.  He has an even bigger bee in his bonnet over EVs, remember

If keyless entry is a concern, disable it.  It's not a Range Rover specific problem, it just so happens that nicked FF RR's are desirable when shipped abroad and the crocks can turn a decent profit.

Don't forget you can sort them crocks out with a crocklock 

It's what I had to use when I had the very easily nickable MkII Astra GTE.  Along with taking the ECU and fuel pump relay in with me if parking outside hotels etc.

[Sir Tigger KC]

And Ford.

Although I doubt anyone at JLR is concerned about the profitability of the company, not matter how much of a bee in his bonnet that Geoff Buys Cars has with Landrover in particular.  He has an even bigger bee in his bonnet over EVs, remember

If keyless entry is a concern, disable it.  It's not a Range Rover specific problem, it just so happens that nicked FF RR's are desirable when shipped abroad and the crocks can turn a decent profit.

Don't forget you can sort them crocks out with a crocklock

I found my old crooklock the other day from when I was 17 and used it on my rusty Renault 5 because I was convinced someone would nick it! 

[Sir Tigger KC]

And Ford.

Although I doubt anyone at JLR is concerned about the profitability of the company, not matter how much of a bee in his bonnet that Geoff Buys Cars has with Landrover in particular.  He has an even bigger bee in his bonnet over EVs, remember

If keyless entry is a concern, disable it.  It's not a Range Rover specific problem, it just so happens that nicked FF RR's are desirable when shipped abroad and the crocks can turn a decent profit.

Don't forget you can sort them crocks out with a crocklock 

It's what I had to use when I had the very easily nickable MkII Astra GTE.  Along with taking the ECU and fuel pump relay in with me if parking outside hotels etc.

I wasn't that paranoid! 

[TheBoy]

And Ford.

Although I doubt anyone at JLR is concerned about the profitability of the company, not matter how much of a bee in his bonnet that Geoff Buys Cars has with Landrover in particular.  He has an even bigger bee in his bonnet over EVs, remember

If keyless entry is a concern, disable it.  It's not a Range Rover specific problem, it just so happens that nicked FF RR's are desirable when shipped abroad and the crocks can turn a decent profit.

Don't forget you can sort them crocks out with a crocklock

I found my old crooklock the other day from when I was 17 and used it on my rusty Renault 5 because I was convinced someone would nick it! 

I'm guessing it wasn't a Turbo, as that was the only Renault 5 worth nicking for a joyride.

[TheBoy]

And Ford.

Although I doubt anyone at JLR is concerned about the profitability of the company, not matter how much of a bee in his bonnet that Geoff Buys Cars has with Landrover in particular.  He has an even bigger bee in his bonnet over EVs, remember

If keyless entry is a concern, disable it.  It's not a Range Rover specific problem, it just so happens that nicked FF RR's are desirable when shipped abroad and the crocks can turn a decent profit.

Don't forget you can sort them crocks out with a crocklock 

It's what I had to use when I had the very easily nickable MkII Astra GTE.  Along with taking the ECU and fuel pump relay in with me if parking outside hotels etc.

I wasn't that paranoid! 

Honestly, I'm trying to think if I *ever* parked it in public areas and it didn't get broken into with the intention of being nicked.  The little buggers knew how to remove the crock lock quickly.

[Sir Tigger KC]

And Ford.

Although I doubt anyone at JLR is concerned about the profitability of the company, not matter how much of a bee in his bonnet that Geoff Buys Cars has with Landrover in particular.  He has an even bigger bee in his bonnet over EVs, remember

If keyless entry is a concern, disable it.  It's not a Range Rover specific problem, it just so happens that nicked FF RR's are desirable when shipped abroad and the crocks can turn a decent profit.

Don't forget you can sort them crocks out with a crocklock

I found my old crooklock the other day from when I was 17 and used it on my rusty Renault 5 because I was convinced someone would nick it! 

I'm guessing it wasn't a Turbo, as that was the only Renault 5 worth nicking for a joyride.

No it was a 1300 GTL! 

Quite nippy for my first car, especially when most of my mates had 1000cc Fiat 127's, Metro's, Fiestas etc. 

[TheBoy]

But you moved on to the highly desirable Marina.  The only reason that was never nicked was because it would never start

[Doctor Gollum]

I was think more from an unisurability point of view rather than 'whatgeoffthinks'

After all, he thinks vapour trails are a secret government weapon

[Raeturbo]

And Ford.

Although I doubt anyone at JLR is concerned about the profitability of the company, not matter how much of a bee in his bonnet that Geoff Buys Cars has with Landrover in particular.  He has an even bigger bee in his bonnet over EVs, remember

If keyless entry is a concern, disable it.  It's not a Range Rover specific problem, it just so happens that nicked FF RR's are desirable when shipped abroad and the crocks can turn a decent profit.

Don't forget you can sort them crocks out with a crocklock 

It's what I had to use when I had the very easily nickable MkII Astra GTE.  Along with taking the ECU and fuel pump relay in with me if parking outside hotels etc.

                 Valver?

[Marks DTM Calib]

Thieves don't nick them using keyless entry on the more recent cars, and any car from any manufacturer is prone to relay attack when on the older tech (Fords being the most nicked car). When you look at different countries you get differences, Merc and BMW in Spain, Kia Stinger in Germany.

The challenge is that the JLR products are one of the most desirable and hence they are targeted by the big crime teams, they found a way to hack and decode the CAN interface (they could do this for any make but, most are not worth bothering with as its expensive to do). That said, many of the cars that get nicked are not locked (we have all the stats and meet regularly with the Police car crime team)

This can hack method is being closed (and does not work on the latest models).

Its an arms race, and always will be, we have further tech in the wings for the next gen.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

And Ford.

Although I doubt anyone at JLR is concerned about the profitability of the company, not matter how much of a bee in his bonnet that Geoff Buys Cars has with Landrover in particular.  He has an even bigger bee in his bonnet over EVs, remember

If keyless entry is a concern, disable it.  It's not a Range Rover specific problem, it just so happens that nicked FF RR's are desirable when shipped abroad and the crocks can turn a decent profit.

Don't forget you can sort them crocks out with a crocklock

I found my old crooklock the other day from when I was 17 and used it on my rusty Renault 5 because I was convinced someone would nick it! 

Nick what?

The rusty Renault 5 or the crooklock.

[Nick W]

Nick what?

The rusty Renault 5 or the crooklock.

That's a difficult question, as it's almost impossible to decide which is more useless. Now that cordless angle grinders are so ubiquitous, it's not worth getting the Leatherman out if its holster to remove a Krooklook.

[TheBoy]

Nick what?

The rusty Renault 5 or the crooklock.

That's a difficult question, as it's almost impossible to decide which is more useless. Now that cordless angle grinders are so ubiquitous, it's not worth getting the Leatherman out if its holster to remove a Krooklook.

Like a padlock on your shed, its just a deterent of an extra step to go through.

Back in the day on the (dodgy) estate I used to live on, I reckon the kids had some master keys, judging by how quickly they could pick the lock and pull it off.

[Doctor Gollum]

Nick what?

The rusty Renault 5 or the crooklock.

That's a difficult question, as it's almost impossible to decide which is more useless. Now that cordless angle grinders are so ubiquitous, it's not worth getting the Leatherman out if its holster to remove a Krooklook.

Especially when you can unlock the car with a tennis ball

[TheBoy]

I think all cars of a certain era had pointless locks.  I know a Fiat 850 key would happily open a MkI Escort.

By the time of my Astra, the keys were better but the locks were still shite.  Screwdriver was the "key" of choice to the yobs where I lived.  And they weren't the brightest yobs either....

[Marks DTM Calib]

Used to be able to get into and start my old flat mates Capri with a broken chip fork 

[TheBoy]

Used to be able to get into and start my old flat mates Capri with a broken chip fork 

Don't believe you.  Nobody ever had a Capri that could actually start

[YZ250]

Used to be able to get into and start my old flat mates Capri with a broken chip fork 

Don't believe you.  Nobody ever had a Capri that could actually start

My 3.0S Capri was super reliable for the six years that I owned it.    My Cortina MK3 on the other hand, started when it felt fit to do so. You could unlock the door on that with a metal comb. 

[Doctor Gollum]

Thieves don't nick them using keyless entry on the more recent cars, and any car from any manufacturer is prone to relay attack when on the older tech (Fords being the most nicked car). When you look at different countries you get differences, Merc and BMW in Spain, Kia Stinger in Germany.

The challenge is that the JLR products are one of the most desirable and hence they are targeted by the big crime teams, they found a way to hack and decode the CAN interface (they could do this for any make but, most are not worth bothering with as its expensive to do). That said, many of the cars that get nicked are not locked (we have all the stats and meet regularly with the Police car crime team)

This can hack method is being closed (and does not work on the latest models).

Its an arms race, and always will be, we have further tech in the wings for the next gen.

Which begs the question as to why they don't lock themselves when the key leaves the vehicle. Which is presumably what people think is happening rather than simply not locking them.

[Nick W]

Used to be able to get into and start my old flat mates Capri with a broken chip fork 

Don't believe you.  Nobody ever had a Capri that could actually start

Out of the eleven(I think) that I've owned, only one of them didn't start. Fitting an engine would have improved that fault.... Most of them had a fair amount of rust, but that's true of pretty much any car built in the 70s/80s - the local scrapyards put rusty BMW and Mercedes on the bottom of their piles because they knew they were unlikely to sell any of the parts.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

My friend once owned a 1973 Cortina 2000 GXL MK3.

Virtually any Ford key would unlock the door.

[countrywoman]

Early minis (well any BL models with FS keys) were easy to get into/start if you had any key and knew the jiggle method.

[Rangie]

When I purchased my Vauxhall Velox PB in 1971 , the owner who had it from new said that if you just thump below any of the door handles the closure button pops up so you don't need a key to get in it and he was right. A couple of years later I came out of our local swimming pool and a young mum had locked herself out of her Vauxhall Viva, I got it open exactly the same way, she seemed amazed , she wasn't sure what to say when I jokingly said that I steal cars for a living.

[ronnyd]

I think all cars of a certain era had pointless locks.  I know a Fiat 850 key would happily open a MkI Escort.

By the time of my Astra, the keys were better but the locks were still shite.  Screwdriver was the "key" of choice to the yobs where I lived.  And they weren't the brightest yobs either....

Went to see friends in Haverhill, (shithole) when i had my Mk2 Granny. Got back to it and the local breakwits had tried to break in, and failed.  Christ, they must have been totally thick.
I'm sure i never wrote breakwits.

[STEMO]

I had an Austin Maxi and lived in a rough area of Liverpool. Me and the local thieves came to a kind of arrangement, I stopped locking it and they put it back near enough where they took it from so I could drive to work in the morning. Petrol was cheap enough and I only ever left a quarter of a tank in it.
It wasn't there one morning and I never saw it again 

[ronnyd]

I had an Austin Maxi and lived in a rough area of Liverpool. Me and the local thieves came to a kind of arrangement, I stopped locking it and they put it back near enough where they took it from so I could drive to work in the morning. Petrol was cheap enough and I only ever left a quarter of a tank in it.
It wasn't there one morning and I never saw it again 

How did you get on changing down from third to second Steve? 

[STEMO]

I had an Austin Maxi and lived in a rough area of Liverpool. Me and the local thieves came to a kind of arrangement, I stopped locking it and they put it back near enough where they took it from so I could drive to work in the morning. Petrol was cheap enough and I only ever left a quarter of a tank in it.
It wasn't there one morning and I never saw it again 

How did you get on changing down from third to second Steve? 

Starting of it was 1st to 2nd and just a lucky dip after that 

[YZ250]

It is possible for any car manufacturer to make their vehicles virtually un-break-in-able. I say virtually as an angle grinder doesn’t count as a fair test in making a vehicle un-stealable. 
Rolling door entry codes, unbreakable glazing, reinforced door framing, shoot bolts, shielded locks to prevent piercing access etc go a long way to holding up a vehicle theft, but this causes its own problems. If a car is so secure, how do rescuers get in when you crash. It’s a trade off between security and safety, as crumple zones become further stressed by the extra reinforcements, so this makes the design less feasible.
In later years it was the quest for fancy gimmicks like keyless start/keyless entry etc that made our vehicles more vulnerable to less damaging hacking technology, although keyless entry can be deactivated. What’s wrong with the good old hidden kill switch, or fitting a Ghost as standard. 

[YZ250]

I had an Austin Maxi ……

I passed my driving test in my Dad’s brand new Austin Maxi 1750HL.    We have a steep hill outside a village near us and when it peaks, the descent is equally steep. I hit the top of the peak flat out in my Dad’s Maxi, and it went frighteningly airborne and came back to earth with a bang. I’d blown the hydrolastic suspension cylinder so the car was sat on its arse. My Dad had it repaired by the dealer, who paid most of the costs as defective suspension was suspected. I felt really bad about abusing my Dad’s trust in me. 

[STEMO]

I had an Austin Maxi ……

I passed my driving test in my Dad’s brand new Austin Maxi 1750HL.    We have a steep hill outside a village near us and when it peaks, the descent is equally steep. I hit the top of the peak flat out in my Dad’s Maxi, and it went frighteningly airborne and came back to earth with a bang. I’d blown the hydrolastic suspension cylinder so the car was sat on its arse. My Dad had it repaired by the dealer, who paid most of the costs as defective suspension was suspected. I felt really bad about abusing my Dad’s trust in me. 

Hydrolastic, 4 balloons filled with water 

[Rangie]

I had an Austin Maxi ……

I passed my driving test in my Dad’s brand new Austin Maxi 1750HL.    We have a steep hill outside a village near us and when it peaks, the descent is equally steep. I hit the top of the peak flat out in my Dad’s Maxi, and it went frighteningly airborne and came back to earth with a bang. I’d blown the hydrolastic suspension cylinder so the car was sat on its arse. My Dad had it repaired by the dealer, who paid most of the costs as defective suspension was suspected. I felt really bad about abusing my Dad’s trust in me. 

.

I borrowed my Fathers MK3 Zodiac to take a girl out a few times, I had one heck of a job explaining the torn headlining, which was done by her legs akimbo & high heels..😁😁😁

[TheBoy]

It is possible for any car manufacturer to make their vehicles virtually un-break-in-able. I say virtually as an angle grinder doesn’t count as a fair test in making a vehicle un-stealable. 
Rolling door entry codes, unbreakable glazing, reinforced door framing, shoot bolts, shielded locks to prevent piercing access etc go a long way to holding up a vehicle theft, but this causes its own problems. If a car is so secure, how do rescuers get in when you crash. It’s a trade off between security and safety, as crumple zones become further stressed by the extra reinforcements, so this makes the design less feasible.
In later years it was the quest for fancy gimmicks like keyless start/keyless entry etc that made our vehicles more vulnerable to less damaging hacking technology, although keyless entry can be deactivated. What’s wrong with the good old hidden kill switch, or fitting a Ghost as standard. 

Rolling codes is crackable.  And all Omegas, VAGs more than a few years old, and just about everything out there was cracked, and tools were readily available that just needed to catcher the code of one key and it would be able to send the next 1000s of codes.

Thing is, nobody wanted to nick an Omega (or VAG product)


And electronic security relies on some for of predictable encryption, and that's its weakness, that will always be a never ending circle, as ultimately its the future, probably tied with biometrics.  Mechanical encryption is usually breakable, which is how safe breakers make their money .  Current biometric security is frequently flawed as anyone with biometric security on their phone knows.

[ronnyd]

I had an Austin Maxi and lived in a rough area of Liverpool. Me and the local thieves came to a kind of arrangement, I stopped locking it and they put it back near enough where they took it from so I could drive to work in the morning. Petrol was cheap enough and I only ever left a quarter of a tank in it.
It wasn't there one morning and I never saw it again 

How did you get on changing down from third to second Steve? 

Starting of it was 1st to 2nd and just a lucky dip after that 

Started to teach my daughter to drive in mine but soon gave up. Probably scarred her for life. Like stirring a bloody great pudden.    Only kept it for three months and traded it in for my lovely Regency green Mk2 Granny. My dad had one for years and had no gear selection issues in all that time. The hydrolastic suspension failed though. As did it on mine, just a week after i traded it. Dealer was not happy.   They had a great seat/load configuration though.

[STEMO]

Not satisfied with having a bowl of porridge as a gearbox in one car, I bought an Austin 1100 after the maxi went 

[STEMO]

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