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[Radar]

Not a newbie but i think it is part of the instant information hungry society - where alot (not all) want the answers in their face from the start without doing any research themselves. They should search the guides of course, but the reality is alot cannot be bothered or fail to realise they are there (despite it being clear in my eyes)

[bob.dent]

Personally, I don't know why we bother with the guides,  given the number of posts asking on guide covered subjects as old as the hills. I ain't writing that out "again" is a common thought for me tbh. Where's the sense, do a guide to help others, then write the same later, we could post a link, but they can look for themselves...? No?

I think Chris that the point Radar and Tigger were making was the unnecessarily abrupt manner of some replies. I remember the first time I went on a forum and had no idea how they worked or how to navigate around and it was nice to have a friendly response even if I was asking about something that was covered elsewhere on the forum rather than being "told off" for not looking properly before asking. If I had have been given some of the responses I've seen given to newbies on here, I would have thought "sod this, what an unfriendly place" and buggered off immediately!! A short polite and friendly response just to point someone in the right direction costs nothing and can be greatly appreciated.

[henryd]

Personally, I don't know why we bother with the guides,  given the number of posts asking on guide covered subjects as old as the hills. I ain't writing that out "again" is a common thought for me tbh. Where's the sense, do a guide to help others, then write the same later, we could post a link, but they can look for themselves...? No?

I think Chris that the point Radar and Tigger were making was the unnecessarily abrupt manner of some replies. I remember the first time I went on a forum and had no idea how they worked or how to navigate around and it was nice to have a friendly response even if I was asking about something that was covered elsewhere on the forum rather than being "told off" for not looking properly before asking. If I had have been given some of the responses I've seen given to newbies on here, I would have thought "sod this, what an unfriendly place" and buggered off immediately!! A short polite and friendly response just to point someone in the right direction costs nothing and can be greatly appreciated.

+1 bob

[tigers_gonads]

I'll agree with bob and henry on this one 

The amount of so called regulars on who have spoken to newbies like a piece of sh*t because they didn't consult the guides is imo well out of line 
A couple of months back, some poor bloke who happened to be posting in capitals.
Needless to say, certain members of this forum jumped on the bandwagon and started calling break out of him, even after he said he had parkinsons and struggled with a keyboard 
Not everybody on the rather planet is comfortable behind a keyboard.
Some folks don't even like texting from a mobile phone infact I often get playfull abuse of people I know because I hardly ever text.  I just dial the number and use my voice 

Some of the people on here want to look in the mirror and ask themselfs this question ...........

Would you speak to these people face to face the way you type when you are hideing behind a keyboard ??
I'd put money on it you wouldn't because if you did you would end up needing a rather dentist 

I think its time that some folks on here calmed down, stopped thinking that they are better then some people and chilled out because to "a outsider", they come across as nothing more then "keyboard warrior's" and bullys 

[Kevin Wood]

Would you speak to these people face to face the way you type when you are hideing behind a keyboard ??

Sage words that every user of the internet would be wise to consider...

It's so easy to spot someone has a single-digit post could and cut them a little slack.. Even if it's only to politely point out how simple it is to find the maintenance guides.

That said, I can't remember the last time I looked in the newbie welcome area.

[OOMV6]

Put maintenance guides at the top of the home page. Bolder, bigger, than other menu items with some comment like "please refer to these, they are great(!)  before posting a question". Bring newbies attention to it. The home page is very symmetrical with not one thing standing out more than others. This should alleviate some distress to those who took the time and care to write them.

[Michael2.6]

Would you like to name these so called regulars

because i have one in mind.

[tigers_gonads]

Put maintenance guides at the top of the home page. Bolder, bigger, than other menu items with some comment like "please refer to these, they are great(!)  before posting a question". Bring newbies attention to it. The home page is very symmetrical with not one thing standing out more than others. This should alleviate some distress to those who took the time and care to write them.

Agree with that 

In fact, bring it to members attention when they fill out the form to join the forum.
You even add a tick box to say that they have read the terms and conditions

But at the end of the day, there are too many people on here suffering from "keyboard hardman syndrome"

If this forum is going to be the friendly, welcoming and informative place that the lads who set it up want it to be, it needs sorting asap.

[OOMV6]

Would you like to name these so called regulars

because i have one in mind.

No point.

[tigers_gonads]

Would you like to name these so called regulars

because i have one in mind.

No point turning this into a witch hunt or it will turn out like the lizzie zoom, daz / ljay / jimbob 

Age
Job status
Background
Single
Married
Loaded
In deep sh*t money wise
ect, blah blah blah

There is a incredibly wide range or members on here.

There is just no tolerence or consideration anymore 

[STMO123]

I thought the forum had quietened down a lot lately, I must be looking at the wrong boards.

[tigers_gonads]

I thought the forum had quietened down a lot lately, I must be looking at the wrong boards.

Who asked you 

[STMO123]

I thought the forum had quietened down a lot lately, I must be looking at the wrong boards.

Who asked you 

Bully! I want my mummy 

[OOMV6]

I thought the forum had quietened down a lot lately, I must be looking at the wrong broads.

Corrected that

[jonnycool]

Personally, I don't know why we bother with the guides,  given the number of posts asking on guide covered subjects as old as the hills. I ain't writing that out "again" is a common thought for me tbh. Where's the sense, do a guide to help others, then write the same later, we could post a link, but they can look for themselves...? No?

The guides are fantastic, I just think that people either don't explore the site properly because they can't be arsed, or are not great on the computer. I understand your frustration in taking the time to do the guides and then having to direct people to it, but I for one really appreciate the time and effort put into them, they've saved me and lots of other people a LOT of money.