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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: ronnyd on 17 January 2019, 19:59:04
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What the hell is Phil the Greek, aka Duke of Edinburgh, doing driving at 97. Seems he pulled out in front of a car in his tank of a Range Rover and it got pushed onto it,s side. Must have been some hit to do that. Sorry, can,t do linkys.
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What the hell is Phil the Greek, aka Duke of Edinburgh, doing driving at 97. Seems he pulled out in front of a car in his tank of a Range Rover and it got pushed onto it,s side. Must have been some hit to do that. Sorry, can,t do linkys.
Glad to know you were there, have all the information, and are able to declare him guilty without any investigation.
Never let the truth get in the way of a good rant ??
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46912691
"And there will now be an investigation into the circumstances of the accident."
[BTW I have no idea what happened .. but to knock a RR onto its side the car striking it must be doing a fair amount of speed to have sufficient energy to achieve it !! Just my opinion of course :)]
(Edited for smelling pistakes)
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Who,s ranting? ???
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.... and are able to declare him guilty without any investigation.
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Who declared him guilty? ???
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As above we don't have the facts, but a bloke in Phil's position has no need to drive on the public roads ..... he's miles of his own private land he could drive on & use (probably) one of many possible chauffeurs if he wanted to go anywhere proper.
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Was he on his way to a McDonalds car park to do donuts ? we should be told ;D
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He probably jumped out, told everyone to eff off and was on his way. ;D
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The physics are pretty straightforward...
Hit square in the side by the low, pointy end of an MPV (an early Sharamblaxy by the look of it), the high centre of gravity effectively rolled into the space suddenly vacated by the chassis as it was punted out from under it. momentum then simply slid away from the point of impact.
I suspect it would look quite graceful in slow motion. On the tinternet. Not sure that I would personally wish to experience at a mere 42, let alone 97 :o
The shock might just do Prince Philip in, although he doesn't come across as being easily offended spooked... :-\
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Range Rovers certainly feel like you only have to go round a corner at above walking pace to put them on their side. Are we sure there was a second vehicle involved? ;D
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..... Are we sure there was a second vehicle involved? ;D
another royal conspiracy? :o :o :o ;D
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..... Are we sure there was a second vehicle involved? ;D
another royal conspiracy? :o :o :o ;D
Was it behind the grassy knoll ?
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Know that stretch of road very well & is a very dodgy junction at the best of times.
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And no surprise that he passed the breath test. ::) ::) ::)
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Range Rover? I thought it looked more like a Disco 4 in the photo. :-\
Freelander 2 ;)
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He’s a great old geezer, hope he’s ok 👍
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Know that stretch of road very well & is a very dodgy junction at the best of times.
and this just confirms what you've said
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-46912556
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The force said it was standard policy to breath test drivers involved in collisions and both had provided negative readings.
^^That is the single most surprising thing about this whole incident!
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The force said it was standard policy to breath test drivers involved in collisions and both had provided negative readings.
^^That is the single most surprising thing about this whole incident!
Having webbed feet is no guarantee of intoxication ::)
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I was thinking more of Phil the Greek, he seems pi$$ed most of the time!
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I was thinking more of Phil the Greek, he seems pi$$ed most of the time!
I imagine his German wife is most concerned. :)
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I wonder if the coppers really tested him for booze........despite what they say is standard procedure.
Just a thought. :)
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As above we don't have the facts, but a bloke in Phil's position has no need to drive on the public roads ..... he's miles of his own private land he could drive on & use (probably) one of many possible chauffeurs if he wanted to go anywhere proper.
But he loves driving, and so why shouldn't he if he wants to. He's 97; so what? As long as you are medically fit to drive then so be it. We will all grow old, and driving yourself around gives you freedom. As Entwood correctly points out, nothing has been proved yet about this collision; the police never use the term "accident" before proving, after investigation, exactly what happened and why. This collision will certainly be investigated like no other, so we shall see.
It is interesting to note that this morning local residents are stating this road is an accident black spot and Norfolk counsel have decided to drop the speed limit from 60 to 50 and install speed cameras. ;)
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I wonder if the coppers really tested him for booze........despite what they say is standard procedure.
Just a thought. :)
Yes they have as, you correctly state, it is standard procedure no matter who you are ;)
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Everyone should be made to take some sort of competency test at 65 and every five years after, at their own expense. I'm not talking a full driving test, that would be unfair. But something to prove that you were not a danger to yourself and other road users.
Driving home this morning, on a 50mph A road, there was a Nissan Juke footling along at 30 with a queue of frustrated drivers behind, including me. It was only a matter of time before someone tried an unsafe overtake and, eventually, a car three back in the queue did. No harm done...this time.
When I got past, I noticed the driver was an elderly woman......and her knuckles were very white. ;D
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Everyone should be made to take some sort of competency test at 65 and every five years after, at their own expense. I'm not talking a full driving test, that would be unfair. But something to prove that you were not a danger to yourself and other road users.
Driving home this morning, on a 50mph A road, there was a Nissan Juke footling along at 30 with a queue of frustrated drivers behind, including me. It was only a matter of time before someone tried an unsafe overtake and, eventually, a car three back in the queue did. No harm done...this time.
When I got past, I noticed the driver was an elderly woman......and her knuckles were very white. ;D
STEMO! :o :o :o
So anyone who is driving carefully, within the speed limit they want to do which in this case is 30mph on a non-motorway road should not be driving?! Just because everyone, including me, wants to race along at the speed limit or more does not mean those that don't are not safe drivers, no matter what their age. Those that are not patient with this type of "slow but safe" driving and consider unsafe driving to counter-act it perhaps should look at themselves and consider if they should be on the road.
I am more worried about all those youngsters who race around, oblivious to the highway code and laws generally, and put others at major risk of injury or death. They are the ones the police must clamp down on.
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Everyone should be made to take some sort of competency test at 65 and every five years after, at their own expense. I'm not talking a full driving test, that would be unfair. But something to prove that you were not a danger to yourself and other road users.
Driving home this morning, on a 50mph A road, there was a Nissan Juke footling along at 30 with a queue of frustrated drivers behind, including me. It was only a matter of time before someone tried an unsafe overtake and, eventually, a car three back in the queue did. No harm done...this time.
When I got past, I noticed the driver was an elderly woman......and her knuckles were very white. ;D
STEMO! :o :o :o
So anyone who is driving carefully, within the speed limit they want to do which in this case is 30mph on a non-motorway road should not be driving?! Just because everyone, including me, wants to race along at the speed limit or more does not mean those that don't are not safe drivers, no matter what their age. Those that are not patient with this type of "slow but safe" driving and consider unsafe driving to counter-act it perhaps should look at themselves and consider if they should be on the road.
I am more worried about all those youngsters who race around, oblivious to the highway code and laws generally, and put others at major risk of injury or death. They are the ones the police must clamp down on.
A 30 mph mobile roadblock on a 50 mph road is an accident waiting to happen. The are a lot of big trucks that use that road and, if you get a frustrated truck driver on a single lane carriageway, it makes the situation even more dangerous.
If you can't drive at a reasonable speed, you should hang you keys up......IMO.
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Speed limits are set conservatively enough these days that anyone who doesn't end up feeling comfortable at within 10 MPH of the limit probaby needs to be on a bus, IMHO. If only for the potential to cause a lot more overtakes than is necessary.
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I am more worried about all those youngsters who race around, oblivious to the highway code and laws generally, and put others at major risk of injury or death. They are the ones the police must clamp down on.
No, Lizzie. No.
The police need to clamp down on EVERYONE who is driving in an unsafe manner, regardless of age.
The other day my girlfriend was driving up a residential (30 limit) road at about 15-20mph as it is riddled with "speed cushions" which (in her Smart) feel like you are driving over a cliff, only to have someone in a white van squeeze past, followed by a clit nearly take her mirror off squeezing up the middle of the road and swerving back over before they hit the line of parked cars.
Neither were driven by young drivers - both were middle aged (male and female respectively).
But it's OK, because they're installing more speed cameras ::)
[edit] Er.. I did not write that part of female anatomy; apparently the small French car "Cli-o" gets automatically "corrected"
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Yep
Those minimum speed limit signs are there for a reason :y
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/UK_traffic_sign_670V50.svg/170px-UK_traffic_sign_670V50.svg.png)
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You can fail your driving test for driving too slowly/cautiously/timidly.
https://www.learnerdriving.com/driving-test/marking/progress.htm
Failing the test means you haven't achieved the required standard. The idea that once you've passed your test (and therefore achieved the required standard) doesn't IMV give you the right to drive around at 30/40MPH in a NSL without good reason - you aren't maintaining that required standard.
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If you are going to "ban" a group of drivers who cause most accidents ... which group should it be ..... ?
In November 2018, there were 5.3 million over-70s with full driving licences in Britain, according to the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency.
There were 11,245 people involved in road traffic accidents where the driver was in that age group - a rate of two per 1,000 licence holders.
For Britain's 2.8 million drivers aged 17 to 24, the rate was more than four times as high, at nine per 1,000.
The DVLA did not provide figures on whether this simply reflected that the older age group were on the road less than the younger age group. However, a separate study from the National Travel Survey suggests that over-70 drive an average of 1,000 miles a year more than under-20s.
probably not the elderly ??? :) :)
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If you are going to "ban" a group of drivers who cause most accidents ... which group should it be ..... ?
In November 2018, there were 5.3 million over-70s with full driving licences in Britain, according to the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency.
There were 11,245 people involved in road traffic accidents where the driver was in that age group - a rate of two per 1,000 licence holders.
For Britain's 2.8 million drivers aged 17 to 24, the rate was more than four times as high, at nine per 1,000.
The DVLA did not provide figures on whether this simply reflected that the older age group were on the road less than the younger age group. However, a separate study from the National Travel Survey suggests that over-70 drive an average of 1,000 miles a year more than under-20s.
probably not the elderly ??? :) :)
I suppose we could ban both the young and the old. :)
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I wonder if the coppers really tested him for booze........despite what they say is standard procedure.
Just a thought. :)
Yes they have as, you correctly state, it is standard procedure no matter who you are ;)
I think belligerent elderly royals are excluded, Lizzie. :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
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If you are going to "ban" a group of drivers who cause most accidents ... which group should it be ..... ?
In November 2018, there were 5.3 million over-70s with full driving licences in Britain, according to the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency.
There were 11,245 people involved in road traffic accidents where the driver was in that age group - a rate of two per 1,000 licence holders.
For Britain's 2.8 million drivers aged 17 to 24, the rate was more than four times as high, at nine per 1,000.
The DVLA did not provide figures on whether this simply reflected that the older age group were on the road less than the younger age group. However, a separate study from the National Travel Survey suggests that over-70 drive an average of 1,000 miles a year more than under-20s.
probably not the elderly ??? :) :)
They crashed while swerving around old folks who had pulled out in front of them, who then drove off blissfully unaware of the carnage they had left behind. ;D
Do accident statistics take in to account who was at fault or do the statistics simply rely on who has placed a claim. :-\
As always,there are good and bad drivers of all ages but, as said, not observing and adjusting to the speed limit is a test failure, weather and conditions permitting.
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I hear what you all say and in so many ways agree with all :y
However, 30 mph on local roads, that also have NO minimum speed limit, is not a sign of driving incompetence. Just remember we all will be old one day and will need our freedom to get around. If an older person, or anyone else, can still be considered to be well enough to drive so be it.
With all of us though, for the sake of the safety of others, we must hang up the keys when we fail to drive to modern standards, as my parents had to, and no doubt I will one day.
As for my comments about youngsters, and amazingly I once was a 17 year old new driver, many are actually very good drivers and are no problem at all ( just as I was ;D ;D). However, they lack experience and do have hot head moments. That is why premiums for that age group are so high.
My point is do not just pick on the older motorist, like the Duke. Perhaps EVERYONE should undergo a medical and abbreviated practical test every 5 years. All the time we have left to actually drive cars and for them not to drive us, with ever increasing demands on the competence of all motorists, this should be the way to go. I for one expect to give up driving, if it does not give up on me first, in about 10 years; then I'll drive a mobility scooter!! :D ;)
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I hear what you all say and in so many ways agree with all :y
However, 30 mph on local roads, that also have NO minimum speed limit, is not a sign of driving incompetence. Just remember we all will be old one day and will need our freedom to get around. If an older person, or anyone else, can still be considered to be well enough to drive so be it.
With all of us though, for the sake of the safety of others, we must hang up the keys when we fail to drive to modern standards, as my parents had to, and no doubt I will one day.
As for my comments about youngsters, and amazingly I once was a 17 year old new driver, many are actually very good drivers and are no problem at all ( just as I was ;D ;D). However, they lack experience and do have hot head moments. That is why premiums for that age group are so high.
My point is do not just pick on the older motorist, like the Duke. Perhaps EVERYONE should undergo a medical and abbreviated practical test every 5 years. All the time we have left to actually drive cars and for them not to drive us, with ever increasing demands on the competence of all motorists, this should be the way to go. I for one expect to give up driving, if it does not give up on me first, in about 10 years; then I'll drive a mobility scooter!! :D ;)
I think driverless cars should be just about ready for mass production by the time I become too doddery.
Every cloud..... :y
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If you are going to "ban" a group of drivers who cause most accidents ... which group should it be ..... ?
In November 2018, there were 5.3 million over-70s with full driving licences in Britain, according to the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency.
There were 11,245 people involved in road traffic accidents where the driver was in that age group - a rate of two per 1,000 licence holders.
For Britain's 2.8 million drivers aged 17 to 24, the rate was more than four times as high, at nine per 1,000.
The DVLA did not provide figures on whether this simply reflected that the older age group were on the road less than the younger age group. However, a separate study from the National Travel Survey suggests that over-70 drive an average of 1,000 miles a year more than under-20s.
probably not the elderly ??? :) :)
I didn't see any mention of banning anyone. :-\
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My point is do not just pick on the older motorist, like the Duke. Perhaps EVERYONE should undergo a medical and abbreviated practical test every 5 years. All the time we have left to actually drive cars and for them not to drive us, with ever increasing demands on the competence of all motorists, this should be the way to go. I for one expect to give up driving, if it does not give up on me first, in about 10 years; then I'll drive a mobility scooter!! :D ;)
This^^^^. You report to your nearest race track. The local "Stig/Stigette" sets a lap time. You then have 10 laps to post a time within 75% of his/her time. :D
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I wonder if the coppers really tested him for booze........despite what they say is standard procedure.
Just a thought.
;) mmm , that could have been very awkward
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Let's get real, it's carvavans that need to be banned from the roads! :D ;D
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Let's get real, it's carvavans that need to be banned from the roads! :D ;D
Absolutely. Nobody needs a caravan, hotels are available. ;D (I'm channeling the whole "drone" thing there)
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Everyone should be made to take some sort of competency test at 65 and every five years after, at their own expense. I'm not talking a full driving test, that would be unfair. But something to prove that you were not a danger to yourself and other road users.
Driving home this morning, on a 50mph A road, there was a Nissan Juke footling along at 30 with a queue of frustrated drivers behind, including me. It was only a matter of time before someone tried an unsafe overtake and, eventually, a car three back in the queue did. No harm done...this time.
When I got past, I noticed the driver was an elderly woman......and her knuckles were very white. ;D
STEMO! :o :o :o
So anyone who is driving carefully, within the speed limit they want to do which in this case is 30mph on a non-motorway road should not be driving?! Just because everyone, including me, wants to race along at the speed limit or more does not mean those that don't are not safe drivers, no matter what their age. Those that are not patient with this type of "slow but safe" driving and consider unsafe driving to counter-act it perhaps should look at themselves and consider if they should be on the road.
I am more worried about all those youngsters who race around, oblivious to the highway code and laws generally, and put others at major risk of injury or death. They are the ones the police must clamp down on.
There are laws :o
When did that happen ???
It is as much an offence to impede other road users as it is to drive like a idiot. Certainly falls under the umbrella of driving without due care as a minimum.
Recently followed some bell end in a reasonably new Freelander all the way from Fontwell to Pulborough doing a constant 25mph with their hazard lights on.
Shooting people is a touch excessive for most things, but it is effective ::)
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I hear what you all say and in so many ways agree with all :y
However, 30 mph on local roads, that also have NO minimum speed limit, is not a sign of driving incompetence. Just remember we all will be old one day and will need our freedom to get around. If an older person, or anyone else, can still be considered to be well enough to drive so be it.
With all of us though, for the sake of the safety of others, we must hang up the keys when we fail to drive to modern standards, as my parents had to, and no doubt I will one day.
As for my comments about youngsters, and amazingly I once was a 17 year old new driver, many are actually very good drivers and are no problem at all ( just as I was ;D ;D). However, they lack experience and do have hot head moments. That is why premiums for that age group are so high.
My point is do not just pick on the older motorist, like the Duke. Perhaps EVERYONE should undergo a medical and abbreviated practical test every 5 years. All the time we have left to actually drive cars and for them not to drive us, with ever increasing demands on the competence of all motorists, this should be the way to go. I for one expect to give up driving, if it does not give up on me first, in about 10 years; then I'll drive a mobility scooter!! :D ;)
I think driverless cars should be just about ready for mass production by the time I become too doddery.
Every cloud..... :y
Still young at heart eh Opti?! :D :D :-* :y
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Range Rover? I thought it looked more like a Disco 4 in the photo. :-\
Freelander 2 ;)
Freelander, we had a spare in the royal fleet (stored in the proving ground) so he's already got a replacement ;D ;D
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My point is do not just pick on the older motorist, like the Duke. Perhaps EVERYONE should undergo a medical and abbreviated practical test every 5 years. All the time we have left to actually drive cars and for them not to drive us, with ever increasing demands on the competence of all motorists, this should be the way to go. I for one expect to give up driving, if it does not give up on me first, in about 10 years; then I'll drive a mobility scooter!! :D ;)
This^^^^. You report to your nearest race track. The local "Stig/Stigette" sets a lap time. You then have 10 laps to post a time within 75% of his/her time. :D
Malcolm for Minister of Transport. :y
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Range Rovers certainly feel like you only have to go round a corner at above walking pace to put them on their side. Are we sure there was a second vehicle involved? ;D
Having driven a few Range Rovers (did I mention, I really fancy one), I can confirm the powerful ones exhibit chronic understeer when driven properly, rather than dangerous body roll :D
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Yo reduce accidents, anybody not driving at the speed limit on a clear day should be culled.
If its one of those stupid 50mph limits, then everyone must drive at 60mph, because they are stupid, and dangerous.
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Range Rovers certainly feel like you only have to go round a corner at above walking pace to put them on their side. Are we sure there was a second vehicle involved? ;D
Having driven a few Range Rovers (did I mention, I really fancy one), I can confirm the powerful ones exhibit chronic understeer when driven properly, rather than dangerous body roll :D
Yes indeed. Back in the 1970's my police friend lost two of his colleagues in Hampshire when their's over turned :'(
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Range Rovers certainly feel like you only have to go round a corner at above walking pace to put them on their side. Are we sure there was a second vehicle involved? ;D
Having driven a few Range Rovers (did I mention, I really fancy one), I can confirm the powerful ones exhibit chronic understeer when driven properly, rather than dangerous body roll :D
Yes indeed. Back in the 1970's my police friend lost two of his colleagues in Hampshire when their's over turned :'(
So a RR classic then. The suspension mounting probably rusted away.
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Yo reduce accidents, anybody not driving at the speed limit on a clear day should be culled.
If its one of those stupid 50mph limits, then everyone must drive at 60mph, because they are stupid, and dangerous.
I had a feeling that I might get your backing ;D
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Range Rovers certainly feel like you only have to go round a corner at above walking pace to put them on their side. Are we sure there was a second vehicle involved? ;D
Having driven a few Range Rovers (did I mention, I really fancy one), I can confirm the powerful ones exhibit chronic understeer when driven properly, rather than dangerous body roll :D
Yes indeed. Back in the 1970's my police friend lost two of his colleagues in Hampshire when their's over turned :'(
So a RR classic then. The suspension mounting probably rusted away.
That is why the most common police tactical pursuit large vehicle is the BMW X5, with the BMW 530d also in those traffic divisions. The former is fast and very stable , unlike the RR.
I assume that the Royal Family have to stick to the "British" Range Rover, but no doubt, the way things are going they will have to opt for their natural German choice of BMW X5's as well ;D ;)
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Range Rovers certainly feel like you only have to go round a corner at above walking pace to put them on their side. Are we sure there was a second vehicle involved? ;D
Having driven a few Range Rovers (did I mention, I really fancy one), I can confirm the powerful ones exhibit chronic understeer when driven properly, rather than dangerous body roll :D
Yes indeed. Back in the 1970's my police friend lost two of his colleagues in Hampshire when their's over turned :'(
So a RR classic then. The suspension mounting probably rusted away.
That is why the most common police tactical pursuit large vehicle is the BMW X5, with the BMW 530d also in those traffic divisions. The former is fast and very stable , unlike the RR.
I assume that the Royal Family have to stick to the "British" Range Rover, but no doubt, the way things are going they will have to opt for their natural German choice of BMW X5's as well ;D ;)
If being followed by an X5, one merely has to find some speed bumps or narrow street, or even a narrow street with speed bumps. They don't like it, you know. ::)
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Range Rovers certainly feel like you only have to go round a corner at above walking pace to put them on their side. Are we sure there was a second vehicle involved? ;D
Having driven a few Range Rovers (did I mention, I really fancy one), I can confirm the powerful ones exhibit chronic understeer when driven properly, rather than dangerous body roll :D
Yes indeed. Back in the 1970's my police friend lost two of his colleagues in Hampshire when their's over turned :'(
So a RR classic then. The suspension mounting probably rusted away.
That is why the most common police tactical pursuit large vehicle is the BMW X5, with the BMW 530d also in those traffic divisions. The former is fast and very stable , unlike the RR.
I assume that the Royal Family have to stick to the "British" Range Rover, but no doubt, the way things are going they will have to opt for their natural German choice of BMW X5's as well ;D ;)
If being followed by an X5, one merely has to find some speed bumps or narrow street, or even a narrow street with speed bumps. They don't like it, you know. ::)
Now how do you know that STEMO? :o :o :o ;D ;D ;)
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Range Rovers certainly feel like you only have to go round a corner at above walking pace to put them on their side. Are we sure there was a second vehicle involved? ;D
Having driven a few Range Rovers (did I mention, I really fancy one), I can confirm the powerful ones exhibit chronic understeer when driven properly, rather than dangerous body roll :D
Yes indeed. Back in the 1970's my police friend lost two of his colleagues in Hampshire when their's over turned :'(
So a RR classic then. The suspension mounting probably rusted away.
That is why the most common police tactical pursuit large vehicle is the BMW X5, with the BMW 530d also in those traffic divisions. The former is fast and very stable , unlike the RR.
I assume that the Royal Family have to stick to the "British" Range Rover, but no doubt, the way things are going they will have to opt for their natural German choice of BMW X5's as well ;D ;)
LZ - you clearly haven't tried driving an X5 quickly. Bro's 4.8 V8 petrol effort is reasonably rapid in a straight line (on the rare occasions the gearbox provides drive), but is definitely no better around corners than a similar age RR (ie, L322).
I would suspect the police choose on costs for a given vehicle type. In fact, I know for a fact that TVP do... ...much to annoyance of a contact I have there.
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If you are going to "ban" a group of drivers who cause most accidents ... which group should it be ..... ?
In November 2018, there were 5.3 million over-70s with full driving licences in Britain, according to the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency.
There were 11,245 people involved in road traffic accidents where the driver was in that age group - a rate of two per 1,000 licence holders.
For Britain's 2.8 million drivers aged 17 to 24, the rate was more than four times as high, at nine per 1,000.
The DVLA did not provide figures on whether this simply reflected that the older age group were on the road less than the younger age group. However, a separate study from the National Travel Survey suggests that over-70 drive an average of 1,000 miles a year more than under-20s.[/i]
probably not the elderly ??? :) :)
With an aging population the over 70's group will probably double in the next decade, so taking 10 million drivers off the road at the stroke of a pen would make our roads much safer, cut emissions and congestion, giving the youngster more room to tear about safely! :y
It's a bit rough on Uncle STEMO and Lord Opti though, but they'd soon get used to getting the bus. :)
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If you are going to "ban" a group of drivers who cause most accidents ... which group should it be ..... ?
In November 2018, there were 5.3 million over-70s with full driving licences in Britain, according to the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency.
There were 11,245 people involved in road traffic accidents where the driver was in that age group - a rate of two per 1,000 licence holders.
For Britain's 2.8 million drivers aged 17 to 24, the rate was more than four times as high, at nine per 1,000.
The DVLA did not provide figures on whether this simply reflected that the older age group were on the road less than the younger age group. However, a separate study from the National Travel Survey suggests that over-70 drive an average of 1,000 miles a year more than under-20s.[/i]
probably not the elderly ??? :) :)
With an aging population the over 70's group will probably double in the next decade, so taking 10 million drivers off the road at the stroke of a pen would make our roads much safer, cut emissions and congestion, giving the youngster more room to tear about safely! :y
It's a bit rough on Uncle STEMO and Lord Opti though, but they'd soon get used to getting the bus. :)
Uncle STEMO wont be able to transport all the stolen goods by bus :-\
Lord Opti would probably be better to hire a coach ,for all his bitches "lady friends" :-\
busses smash wing mirrors off and it takes several phone calls and emails before they agree to settle >:(
can't we just send the old people to the Bognor regis concentration camps like we used to :-\
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If you are going to "ban" a group of drivers who cause most accidents ... which group should it be ..... ?
In November 2018, there were 5.3 million over-70s with full driving licences in Britain, according to the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency.
There were 11,245 people involved in road traffic accidents where the driver was in that age group - a rate of two per 1,000 licence holders.
For Britain's 2.8 million drivers aged 17 to 24, the rate was more than four times as high, at nine per 1,000.
The DVLA did not provide figures on whether this simply reflected that the older age group were on the road less than the younger age group. However, a separate study from the National Travel Survey suggests that over-70 drive an average of 1,000 miles a year more than under-20s.[/i]
probably not the elderly ??? :) :)
With an aging population the over 70's group will probably double in the next decade, so taking 10 million drivers off the road at the stroke of a pen would make our roads much safer, cut emissions and congestion, giving the youngster more room to tear about safely! :y
It's a bit rough on Uncle STEMO and Lord Opti though, but they'd soon get used to getting the bus. :)
Uncle STEMO wont be able to transport all the stolen goods by bus :-\
Lord Opti would probably be better to hire a coach ,for all his bitches "lady friends" :-\
busses smash wing mirrors off and it takes several phone calls and emails before they agree to settle >:(
can't we just send the old people to the Bognor regis concentration camps like we used to :-\
Butlitz. :)
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If you are going to "ban" a group of drivers who cause most accidents ... which group should it be ..... ?
In November 2018, there were 5.3 million over-70s with full driving licences in Britain, according to the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency.
There were 11,245 people involved in road traffic accidents where the driver was in that age group - a rate of two per 1,000 licence holders.
For Britain's 2.8 million drivers aged 17 to 24, the rate was more than four times as high, at nine per 1,000.
The DVLA did not provide figures on whether this simply reflected that the older age group were on the road less than the younger age group. However, a separate study from the National Travel Survey suggests that over-70 drive an average of 1,000 miles a year more than under-20s.[/i]
probably not the elderly ??? :) :)
With an aging population the over 70's group will probably double in the next decade, so taking 10 million drivers off the road at the stroke of a pen would make our roads much safer, cut emissions and congestion, giving the youngster more room to tear about safely! :y
It's a bit rough on Uncle STEMO and Lord Opti though, but they'd soon get used to getting the bus. :)
With the reliability of the German geriatric derv drinker in question you'll be mixing with the great unwashed on the buses before I do. :)
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If you are going to "ban" a group of drivers who cause most accidents ... which group should it be ..... ?
In November 2018, there were 5.3 million over-70s with full driving licences in Britain, according to the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency.
There were 11,245 people involved in road traffic accidents where the driver was in that age group - a rate of two per 1,000 licence holders.
For Britain's 2.8 million drivers aged 17 to 24, the rate was more than four times as high, at nine per 1,000.
The DVLA did not provide figures on whether this simply reflected that the older age group were on the road less than the younger age group. However, a separate study from the National Travel Survey suggests that over-70 drive an average of 1,000 miles a year more than under-20s.[/i]
probably not the elderly ??? :) :)
With an aging population the over 70's group will probably double in the next decade, so taking 10 million drivers off the road at the stroke of a pen would make our roads much safer, cut emissions and congestion, giving the youngster more room to tear about safely! :y
It's a bit rough on Uncle STEMO and Lord Opti though, but they'd soon get used to getting the bus. :)
Uncle STEMO wont be able to transport all the stolen goods by bus :-\
Lord Opti would probably be better to hire a coach ,for all his bitches "lady friends" :-\
busses smash wing mirrors off and it takes several phone calls and emails before they agree to settle >:(
can't we just send the old people to the Bognor regis concentration camps like we used to :-\
Butlitz. :)
:D ;D
If that BREXIT thing don't happen , we could sell "Butlitz" to the German's to run it , German efficiency would be key to controlling the elderly overpopulation :P
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..... As Entwood correctly points out, nothing has been proved yet about this collision ....
See post #3 :)
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Let's get real, it's caravans that need to be banned from the roads! :D ;D
Agreed ..... especially those pulled with big 4x4's ::) ::)
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If you are going to "ban" a group of drivers who cause most accidents ... which group should it be ..... ?
In November 2018, there were 5.3 million over-70s with full driving licences in Britain, according to the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency.
There were 11,245 people involved in road traffic accidents where the driver was in that age group - a rate of two per 1,000 licence holders.
For Britain's 2.8 million drivers aged 17 to 24, the rate was more than four times as high, at nine per 1,000.
The DVLA did not provide figures on whether this simply reflected that the older age group were on the road less than the younger age group. However, a separate study from the National Travel Survey suggests that over-70 drive an average of 1,000 miles a year more than under-20s.[/i]
probably not the elderly ??? :) :)
With an aging population the over 70's group will probably double in the next decade, so taking 10 million drivers off the road at the stroke of a pen would make our roads much safer, cut emissions and congestion, giving the youngster more room to tear about safely! :y
It's a bit rough on Uncle STEMO and Lord Opti though, but they'd soon get used to getting the bus. :)
Uncle STEMO wont be able to transport all the stolen goods by bus :-\
Lord Opti would probably be better to hire a coach ,for all his bitches "lady friends" :-\
busses smash wing mirrors off and it takes several phone calls and emails before they agree to settle >:(
can't we just send the old people to the Bognor regis concentration camps like we used to :-\
Bognor Regis? My FIL lives there, so it will have to be Bournemouth for me, thank you :y
When do I leave?
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Uncle STEMO wont be able to transport all the stolen goods by bus :-\
Lord Opti would probably be better to hire a coach ,for all his bitches "lady friends" :-\
busses smash wing mirrors off and it takes several phone calls and emails before they agree to settle >:(
can't we just send the old people to the Bognor regis concentration camps like we used to :-\
Bognor Regis? My FIL lives there, so it will have to be Bournemouth for me, thank you :y
When do I leave?
I granted you special dispensation Uncle STEMO (see above), plus you drive proper buy the sound of it :)
your police avoidance training i expect ;D
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Uncle STEMO wont be able to transport all the stolen goods by bus :-\
Lord Opti would probably be better to hire a coach ,for all his bitches "lady friends" :-\
busses smash wing mirrors off and it takes several phone calls and emails before they agree to settle >:(
can't we just send the old people to the Bognor regis concentration camps like we used to :-\
Bognor Regis? My FIL lives there, so it will have to be Bournemouth for me, thank you :y
When do I leave?
I granted you special dispensation Uncle STEMO (see above), plus you drive proper buy the sound of it :)
your police avoidance training i expect ;D
Why, thank you, Dave.........I think :-\
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That's right ban all the over 75's and as more older fitter people are alive they can cycle two abreast at 7mph, chatting to each other, so nobody in cars, vans or lorries can get past. :P Where they will be so fit and retired they can do that all day for the next 25 years. :P Beware of the hoards of the pensioners in lycra on their trick carbon framed bicycles. ;D
Now Phil the Greek has had a new hip, maybe it is time for him & his German wife to set an example by cycling everywhere together. :-X
Going back to his accident I read he had commented that he didn't see the car due to the low shining sun, which is an issue at this time of year for all drivers.
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Could plod have stuck the cuffs on the old boy ??? Royal immunity maybe :-\
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That's right ban all the over 75's and as more older fitter people are alive they can cycle two abreast at 7mph, chatting to each other, so nobody in cars, vans or lorries can get past. :P Where they will be so fit and retired they can do that all day for the next 25 years. :P Beware of the hoards of the pensioners in lycra on their trick carbon framed bicycles. ;D
Now Phil the Greek has had a new hip, maybe it is time for him & his German wife to set an example by cycling everywhere together. :-X
Going back to his accident I read he had commented that he didn't see the car due to the low shining sun, which is an issue at this time of year for all drivers.
I wonder if we have the technology in 2019 to change the position of the sun relative to the Earth in the winter months.
A can-do attitude works wonders. :)
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I wonder if we have the technology in 2019 to change the position of the sun relative to the Earth in the winter months.
A can-do attitude works wonders. :)
Er, Brexit???? :)
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Remember the chief constable will be making the decision, based on his pension and possible knighthood.
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Don’t forget it was the duke who stood up for us motorists by making sure police cars were stickered up to be seen and not as he put it running around in black cars like the gestopo.
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Going back to his accident I read he had commented that he didn't see the car due to the low shining sun, which is an issue at this time of year for all drivers.
Yes, indeed. It was two years ago this month that I crunched the back of a van at slow speed when the sun blinded me for a crucial second or two and I was too close to the van's rear.....!! :o :o :o
From what I now understand about this road, considered "dangerous" you can understand the sun could be a factor ;)
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Gutter press reports that he's back out driving a shiny new Freelander and doesn't wear a seatbelt .. and may be investigated for dangerous driving.
Can see him sharing a cell with Big Winston soon. ;D
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Why not, I can't see him wanting to be in the tower, via traitors gate, with the commoner riff raff like Treason May, Dominic Grieve or Lord Opti's 'rough stuff bint' avatar. :-[ :-[ :-[
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She's taken the money, no win no fee next...
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-philips-crash-victim-reveals-13882041
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She's going to need to be careful in tunnels now eh..
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She's going to need to be careful in tunnels now eh..
:D ;D ;D
Put her on the list.
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She's taken the money, no win no fee next...
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-philips-crash-victim-reveals-13882041
Why am I not surprised to see something like this in the Red Tops?
NFN I suppose :-X ::)
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She's taken the money, no win no fee next...
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-philips-crash-victim-reveals-13882041
Not being sexist but she isn't much of a looker. :)
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One word off The duke of Hazard to Lizzie* ,and it will be off with peasant's head :-X
*not out Lizzie, I'm sure our Lizzie would have jumped out and tyre ironed the Duke to pulp for scratching her omega :y
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One word off The duke of Hazard to Lizzie* ,and it will be off with peasant's head :-X
*not out Lizzie, I'm sure our Lizzie would have jumped out and tyre ironed the Duke to pulp for scratching her omega :y
I certainly would be taking all the legal action I could to compensate me and my passengers for all injuries received, but I would with any non-fault accident. I can just imagine what reaction this poor lady got from all 'officialdom' at the accident and since, backed up by her recent complaints. The Royal Family MUST ensure the right things are now done! ;)
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She's taken the money, no win no fee next...
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-philips-crash-victim-reveals-13882041 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-philips-crash-victim-reveals-13882041)
Not being sexist but she isn't much of a looker. :)
Recording from the Land Rover's dash cam:
The driver of that car isn't much of a looker is she?
Neither are you Phil, as you haven't noticed she isn't slowing down
Oh bugger!!
You dozy old git.......
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Aldi don't deliver shopping , and now the Duke can't collect it ,perhaps meals on wheels will step in ,they are pensioners after all ;)
probably cheaper than the fuel bill for a range rover anyway :-\
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Why should he apologise to her? She was a passenger in the car, not the insured party.
Also if PP is self insured then she is going to struggle with getting anything... As they will settle as a gesture then find any little detail wrong with the Kia and throw it straight back at the Kias insurance company... Not because they're royals but because that's how self insurance works. No different to being in a prang with a TNT or Post Office vehicle.
She has probably found out that neither she or her friend carry insurance for being a passenger... Leaving her the obvious choice of selling her story... Which should be either automatically deducted or preclude her from any compensation she might otherwise receive. Especially as the paper probably paid her far more than she would be possibly entitled to for a broken wrist :-X
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The fact that he apparently hasn't apologised and he and Lizzie have both been seen driving without seatbelts - him the next day I believe, really doesn't do much for their public image.
Makes them appear aloof, uncaring, elitist, as in "the rules don't apply to us" type of attitude.
We must bear in mind though, that much of this is based on press reports, so its a matter of reading between the lines of shite to work out the truth.
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The fact that he apparently hasn't apologised and he and Lizzie have both been seen driving without seatbelts - him the next day I believe, really doesn't do much for their public image.
Makes them appear aloof, uncaring, elitist, as in "the rules don't apply to us" type of attitude.
We must bear in mind though, that much of this is based on press reports, so its a matter of reading between the lines of shite to work out the truth.
What!! :o :o :o I have always worn a seat belt, except in the 1950's cars back in the day ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
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The Royal Family MUST ensure the right things are now done! ;)
Hanging, or drawn and quartered, then?
As for seatbelts .. if I made it to 97, I might drive around without one too, hoping that one good prang would finally shuffle me off! Maybe his mental state should be investigated in case this was a case of attempted vehicular suicide...
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The Royal Family MUST ensure the right things are now done! ;)
Hanging, or drawn and quartered, then?
As for seatbelts .. if I made it to 97, I might drive around without one too, hoping that one good prang would finally shuffle me off! Maybe his mental state should be investigated in case this was a case of attempted vehicular suicide...
No, for Royals, it was usually a French specialist swordsman who would do the deed, hopefully, but not always, swiftly! :D ;)
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The Royal Family MUST ensure the right things are now done! ;)
Hanging, or drawn and quartered, then?
As for seatbelts .. if I made it to 97, I might drive around without one too, hoping that one good prang would finally shuffle me off! Maybe his mental state should be investigated in case this was a case of attempted vehicular suicide...
No, for Royals, it was usually a French specialist swordsman who would do the deed, hopefully, but not always, swiftly! :D ;)
You misunderstand, Lizzie. It's not the driver who endangered the life of our monarch who is more likely to lose their head :P
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The Royal Family MUST ensure the right things are now done! ;)
Hanging, or drawn and quartered, then?
As for seatbelts .. if I made it to 97, I might drive around without one too, hoping that one good prang would finally shuffle me off! Maybe his mental state should be investigated in case this was a case of attempted vehicular suicide...
No, for Royals, it was usually a French specialist swordsman who would do the deed, hopefully, but not always, swiftly! :D ;)
You misunderstand, Lizzie. It's not the driver who endangered the life of our monarch who is more likely to lose their head :P
Ah, I see :y
But the Duke is not the monarch and has even "retired" from Royal duties, so is now unimportant and expendable. ;D ;D ;)
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Apparently some of the crash debris has found its way to e-bay :o-why would anyone want to buy it even if it could be proved to have come from "that" crash ??? Wonder if it's Phil the Greek or ER flogging it to drag in a few extra bob :D ;D ;D
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Was supposed to be that all the proceeds were going to charity but the auction has now been pulled. Got up to over 60k. :o
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Now that is funny ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
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Tee hee ;D ;D
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Ha ha nice one😂
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When I first read the title (without my glasses) I thought this thread was a pop at me ::)
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When I first read the title (without my glasses) I thought this thread was a pop at me ::)
If the cap fits Birthday Boy ;) :D
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When I first read the title (without my glasses) I thought this thread was a pop at me ::)
If the cap fits Birthday Boy ;) :D
Eh? Oh, Haven't missed a curry opportunity, have we? ::)
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When I first read the title (without my glasses) I thought this thread was a pop at me ::)
If the cap fits Birthday Boy ;) :D
Eh? Oh, Haven't missed a curry opportunity, have we? ::)
We have, but if you want to do it this weekend you'll have to come over to Lyon.
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This is an interesting old report that was on our ITV Meridian news programme down here:
https://www.itv.com/news/2019-01-24/newly-uncovered-archive-of-crash-involving-the-duke-of-edinburgh-in-1964-emerges
The Queen was in the car on this occasion! :D ;)
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When I first read the title (without my glasses) I thought this thread was a pop at me ::)
If the cap fits Birthday Boy ;) :D
Eh? Oh, Haven't missed a curry opportunity, have we? ::)
We have, but if you want to do it this weekend you'll have to come over to Lyon.
Oh, Merde! ::)
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Just heard on the news that, prince of duffers, has sent the old fenny girl a letter.
Isn't that admission of liability.
2 when you had your last incident, did you write or received a letter from other party.
So wtf does she expect one.
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Still sticking to his story of being blinded by the sun, even though other witnesses say it was cloudy. Hmm. :-\
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Still sticking to his story of being blinded by the sun, even though other witnesses say it was cloudy. Hmm. :-\
does that not constitute driving without due care ?
if you can't see what's coming due to the sun ,you stop,put on the sun-glasses ,pull the visor down and DON'T pull out till you can see :-\
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Perhaps he “saw the light” :)
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She's certainly "sharing her pain " WTF happened to suffering in silence >:(
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It's a sharing thing where the more she shares the more money she gets :D :D
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It's a sharing thing where the more she shares the more money she gets :D :D
She is severely traumatised, almost to the point to PTSD.
The papers act as 'therapy' and I'm sure the money she is paid she will give to charity. ::) ::)