Topic: VW Phaeton (Read 4729 times)

pscocoa · « **on:** 23 October 2009, 16:45:04 »

Anyone seen one of these? Have been offered one - quick google suggests that it is totally over engineered and was targeted at Audi/BMW/Mercedes category and is slated for not having right badge. Having said that it is a hell of a car and if you can stand to lose the depreciation (or in my case keep it for years like the Omega) then it may be worth a gamble if the price you can get it at takes care of a chunk of the poor residual issue .

Not many around as ex VW President got market completely wrong on demand. £44k to £75k new for a VW!!

geoff · « **Reply #1 on:** 23 October 2009, 16:50:03 »

seen one on top gear once i think they had the big big engine wasn't it a w 12 or some thing like that very smart i thought

:yhave a look at this http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/#/new/phaeton/
think it looks a little like the audi a8 a bit

I_want_an_Omega · « **Reply #2 on:** 23 October 2009, 16:53:31 »

Built in a glass factory by technicians in white gloves - seriously, take a look @ the VW web site.

A set of 4 shocks is £4k though.

Has been out a few years and you can get an early one from about £12k

pscocoa · « **Reply #3 on:** 23 October 2009, 16:53:32 »

Yes - that thing does 14 to a gallon or something - I am thinking of the 3.0L diesel 4motion.

pscocoa · « **Reply #4 on:** 23 October 2009, 16:56:40 »

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seen one on top gear once i think they had the big big engine wasn't it a w 12 or some thing like that very smart i thought :yhave a look at this http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/#/new/phaeton/
think it looks a little like the audi a8 a bit

thanks for that - will have to spend some more time on this idea

cem_devecioglu · « **Reply #5 on:** 23 October 2009, 16:56:58 »

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Yes - that thing does 14 to a gallon or something - I am thinking of the 3.0L diesel 4motion.

3 litre diesel version is ok for consumption.

but as stated parts prices will be a headache..

and seriously whatever they do vw is the not in the same league with mercedes and bmw.. :-/

tunnie · « **Reply #6 on:** 23 October 2009, 17:02:26 »

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Built in a glass factory by technicians in white gloves - seriously, take a look @ the VW web site.

A set of 4 shocks is £4k though.

Has been out a few years and you can get an early one from about £12k

How much

I have seen these too, very cheap now £10-15k for nice examples, but if thats the price of parts i can see why!

Shame, good replacement for the Omega

geoff · « **Reply #7 on:** 23 October 2009, 17:02:59 »

i don't now merc are not as good as people think look at the jd power serveys and like top gear have said build has not been that good on mercs,think audi and vw are getting very good at well made presitege cars

tunnie · « **Reply #8 on:** 23 October 2009, 17:05:44 »

anyone here?

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=67040

mathewst · « **Reply #9 on:** 23 October 2009, 17:07:59 »

Mercs were pretty bad actually.
And Phaeton is just a modified A8 mostly.
If you disregard the Lexus, A8 is probably the best of the big german three.
Phaeton biggest problem was a lousy badge, and of course the actuall name of the marque Wolkswagen = peoples car. Well not judging by new Phaetons prices

geoff · « **Reply #10 on:** 23 October 2009, 17:08:15 »

based on bentley ehh mmmm i like

geoff · « **Reply #11 on:** 23 October 2009, 17:09:25 »

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Mercs were pretty bad actually.
And Phaeton is just a modified A8 mostly.
If you disregard the Lexus, A8 is probably the best of the big german three.
Phaeton biggest problem was a lousy badge, and of course the actuall name of the marque Wolkswagen = peoples car. Well not judging by new Phaetons prices

thouhgt it looked a bit like the audi a8

pscocoa · « **Reply #12 on:** 23 October 2009, 17:12:13 »

My gamble is a 1 month old one with £5k of extras for £30k. Gives me 3 years no bills and then option for extended warranty. This might leave me in 3 years time with a car worth £15k as Tunnie says.

Omega was£32k with all bits in 2001 and I bought it in 2002 for £17k. Probably worth £3k now

omegadti · « **Reply #13 on:** 23 October 2009, 17:41:07 »

I remember seeing Jeremy Clarkson test the new Bentley saloon and afterwards say that anyone with any sense would buy the Phaeton which is a Bentley with different body and save a fortune.

feeutfo · « **Reply #14 on:** 23 October 2009, 18:00:17 »

interesting thread, i seriously fancy one when Omegas are dead and buried, and would be tempted if i where you although i would be looking for an older/cheaper one tbh giving less depreciation.

Would be worth a look at vw servicing prices which you will have to pay to keep that warranty valid, and parts prices, give the dealers, factors and breakers a ring with some common parts and see what they say. German and swedish near you? Much cheaper than dealers for parts.....and the vag forum is not a patch on this one, but then you knew all that. :-)

Mr Skrunts · « **Reply #15 on:** 23 October 2009, 19:11:00 »

I like what I have seen of them, not sure about it as an everyday sort of car though. Sums make sence so maybe worth while.

I am leaning towards the 300C, or at least was till a member hired one in the US on his holidays.

pscocoa · « **Reply #16 on:** 23 October 2009, 19:23:50 »

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interesting thread, i seriously fancy one when Omegas are dead and buried, and would be tempted if i where you although i would be looking for an older/cheaper one tbh giving less depreciation.

Would be worth a look at vw servicing prices which you will have to pay to keep that warranty valid, and parts prices, give the dealers, factors and breakers a ring with some common parts and see what they say. German and swedish near you? Much cheaper than dealers for parts.....and the vag forum is not a patch on this one, but then you knew all that. :-)

Servicing is £1100 total for the 3 years - not sure if that includes parts or not.

i260 · « **Reply #17 on:** 24 October 2009, 08:53:53 »

Mmm, servicing IS expensive at VW dealers, however there should be a decent amount of independents about. My golf cost more to main dealer service than my mig.

Chrysler 300 - bling bling with aincient Merc underpinningns. Worst of all worlds unless you want the neighbours to think you are a low division footballer or aspiting gangster.

Interesting future thread - suggestions for Mig replacements.

Will be struggling to get many rwd's in the list though, oh dear - have to look at 4wd then.

Lazydocker · « **Reply #18 on:** 24 October 2009, 09:24:38 »

I reckon I'd be really tempted... I think the Phaeton is a cracking car

omegaman2 · « **Reply #19 on:** 24 October 2009, 12:09:45 »

a pheaton passed me last week on the m6 its like a passat on steroids......but i like that

pscocoa · « **Reply #20 on:** 24 October 2009, 16:47:10 »

Talk about VX dealers - try this one.

Thought I would check out other Phaetons near to me - did VW search and found 2 local. Phoned to see them. BOTH cars at separate VW garages have been taken for weekend by the managers - and these are the demonstrators.. No wonder they don't sell many. Can I come back during the week I am asked - eh no not that easy as I need to work and would prefer to see them in daylight. email to VW I think.
Went to look at an A8 and exactly same story.

Markjay · « **Reply #21 on:** 24 October 2009, 20:12:38 »

Phaeton? What about the Insignia? The roads are full them, and it is just a question of time before nearly-new low-mileage ex-company samples start spilling out into the car supermarkets.

Depreciation will probably be in good old Omega style - bought my 2001 CDX when it was 4 months old and with just 6.5k miles for £10k less than list price...

OK, so the ex-company cars will not have 2.8 twin turbo engine or 4 wheel drive, and yes they are FWD, but still a rather roomy good looking car, don't you think?

Markjay · « **Reply #22 on:** 24 October 2009, 20:17:18 »

As some of you know my Omega substitute is a C-Class. It's OK, but much smaller than the Omega and dealer service is serious rubbish. E-Class would be more like it, but they are quite pricey, especially the petrol ones - most low-cost used Es seem to be 220CDI which I think will not have enough poke for such a large car.

Del Boy · « **Reply #23 on:** 24 October 2009, 20:19:22 »

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As some of you know my Omega substitute is a C-Class. It's OK, but much smaller than the Omega and dealer service is serious rubbish. E-Class would be more like it, but they are quite pricey, especially the petrol ones - most low-cost used Es seem to be 220CDI which I think will not have enough poke for such a large car.

I drive the E's nearly everyday mate. I can say the 220 CDi's are not bad have good amount of pull and easily race around, they're not the quickest but they're not slow at all the 270's and 280's are good too

tunnie · « **Reply #24 on:** 24 October 2009, 21:16:44 »

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Phaeton? What about the Insignia? The roads are full them, and it is just a question of time before nearly-new low-mileage ex-company samples start spilling out into the car supermarkets.

Depreciation will probably be in good old Omega style - bought my 2001 CDX when it was 4 months old and with just 6.5k miles for £10k less than list price...

OK, so the ex-company cars will not have 2.8 twin turbo engine or 4 wheel drive, and yes they are FWD, but still a rather roomy good looking car, don't you think?

Good 2/3 years at least before i would consider one, i hope the seats get a bit softer, ones in the dealer were rock hard.

cem_devecioglu · « **Reply #25 on:** 24 October 2009, 21:40:56 »

Insignia, good car.. 2.8 v6 turbo is beyond the dreams wth the increasing fuel prices..

fwd never again..oldie manual beamiers would be my choice I think..

tunnie · « **Reply #26 on:** 24 October 2009, 21:45:18 »

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Insignia, good car.. 2.8 v6 turbo is beyond the dreams wth the increasing fuel prices..

fwd never again..oldie manual beamiers would be my choice I think..

I like them too, but its the cost of the badge. I'd love a 2004/5 530d Sport, but looking at 10k for one of those.

Which on a standard loan is around £300 a month just to own it, before you add on fuel, parts and such.

Not a lot of choice for decent build RWD cars going cheap now

i260 · « **Reply #27 on:** 25 October 2009, 08:19:16 »

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Insignia, good car.. 2.8 v6 turbo is beyond the dreams wth the increasing fuel prices..

fwd never again..oldie manual beamiers would be my choice I think..

I like them too, but its the cost of the badge. I'd love a 2004/5 530d Sport, but looking at 10k for one of those.

Which on a standard loan is around £300 a month just to own it, before you add on fuel, parts and such.

Not a lot of choice for decent build RWD cars going cheap now

I was going to suggest the s-type jag but then realised you said DECENT

ENFIELD_MV6 · « **Reply #28 on:** 25 October 2009, 08:27:20 »

i think if i was going to replace the miggy it would be for the GT-R as i probably wont need a estate car that time hmmmmmm

I_want_an_Omega · « **Reply #29 on:** 27 October 2009, 17:07:54 »

Here's a real example of Omega depreciation.

I got an MV6 new as a company car in 1998. Manual saloon with cruise control, list price was about £25k. I bought it from my company 2 years & 9 months later with 52k on the clock for £6400.

2 years later I sold her for £3k with 95k on ,,,,

pscocoa · « **Reply #30 on:** 27 October 2009, 18:16:49 »

I bit the bullet and bought a Phaeton today but what an education. The one from last week (£30,000 - 1 month old) in respect of which on friday I was told I was the only person interested and it was agreed THEY WOULD RING ME on Monday this week to follow up. No phone call but garage is 100 yds from my office - went in Monday lunch - it has been sold for £36000 - that is the South for you. Told them what I thought and their offer to look round for another was not appreciated.

Being a northener I followed up another contact north of Watford and now getting new one in March for less than £30000 with extras and £99 total for 2 years servicing. Paid deposit today to big VW dealer. I hope they don't go bust.

Near where I live they are asking £32000 to £34000 for 5000 milers.

tunnie · « **Reply #31 on:** 27 October 2009, 18:19:02 »

damn nice cars, i just worry about the deprecation, it makes the Omega look good

pscocoa · « **Reply #32 on:** 27 October 2009, 18:33:05 »

yes it is heavy depreciation but hope I have read market ok - suspect they will be more in demand. The A8 is just so much money - they look for £38k for an 09 with 10000 miles and lower spec. I will try to lock in the 4th and 5th year warranty as well. VW do a "back to invoice scheme" - if it gets nicked or written off in 2 years you get the original invoiced value back (in theory - needs further scrutiny)

Lazydocker · « **Reply #33 on:** 28 October 2009, 00:22:40 »

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yes it is heavy depreciation but hope I have read market ok - suspect they will be more in demand. The A8 is just so much money - they look for £38k for an 09 with 10000 miles and lower spec. I will try to lock in the 4th and 5th year warranty as well. VW do a "back to invoice scheme" - if it gets nicked or written off in 2 years you get the original invoiced value back (in theory - needs further scrutiny)

Do some online research... I got RTI Gap insurance for the wife's Panda for less than half what Fiat wanted

http://www.click4gap.co.uk were who I used but don't know how they'd match up on a higher value car :-/ :-/

Squealey · « **Reply #34 on:** 28 October 2009, 08:32:17 »

My old man was in a similar(ish) situation earlier this year. He didn't have your sort of budget, his was around the £17,000 mark. His choice was:

Jaguar XJ 2.7 TDVi
Phaeton
Audi A8
S Type (6 months old with a full bodykit, did look the nuts tbh)
He doesn't like Mercs & BMW's

In the end he found out the S type was the only car he could fit a pikey bar to and he'd heard so many horror stories that it put him off.

I rang him one day and told him about a Lexus RX300 i'd seen on the net, he had never considered one. Within an hour it was his. 24,000 miles, 06 plate, immaculate condition, every extra a car could have and it only cost him £13,500, plus the bloke gave him over £2000 more for his X Type than anyone else had offered.

Now, im not saying the bloke was desperate to get rid of a big, thirsty 4x4 but my dad had someone drive up his backside the morning he was meant to be doing the swap and the bloke just said no problems, the deals still on. It needed both rear wings, boot, bumber, one light and god knows what else!!!!

Since he's had it he's added a pikey bar and had it LPG converted. He's now on the lookout for a bigger caravan as he has a car that can pull it. He says it is the best car he's ever had. This car was knocking on £38,000 when it was new!!!

pscocoa · « **Reply #35 on:** 28 October 2009, 10:21:41 »

Yes I looked around but at 6ft 6in and on the generally large size the Jags and Lexus 4 x 4 not a good fit. Shame cause the XF was nice.

Also had a go at a 2006 BMW 7 but too much of a gamble on buying out of warranty - had some posts on this a few weeks ago.

VW have some sort of option to put Bentley badges on the Phaeton (was same stable at one time) but I would get a lot of stick from everyone if I did that!!!

cruisetopoland · « **Reply #36 on:** 28 October 2009, 10:36:57 »

I demo'd a Phaeton which was superbly made but a little soul-less.

A colleague runs an XF which has been back for glitches endless times, but he loves it.

A few clients run RXs and swear by them-after having LRs and swearing AT them

I was truly staggered at the Skoda Superb Elegance 3.6-and even the CR TDI 170 with DSG was fab. Small wonder so many limo fleet are ditching Mercs, Audis etc for these.
Why is a budget brand going at Audi?? I don't see the point of using the same tech and undercutting your own firm?
Magnificent bit of kit at any money, the Superb-my dream car

Squealey · « **Reply #37 on:** 28 October 2009, 11:01:05 »

One of my customers has an XF, he brought it because he needed to downgrade from his 6 series BMW. Its only 8 months old but he's forcing Jaguar to take it back as it spends more time with them than anyone else.

Must admit that new Superb is something else, and they are releasing an estate very soon, just a bit too 'taxi' for me though.

I think when my Omega dies it will be a 4.2 A8 Quattro with LPG conversion. You can pick them up for well under three grand nowadays

cruisetopoland · « **Reply #38 on:** 28 October 2009, 11:11:15 »

Must admit that new Superb is something else, and they are releasing an estate very soon, just a bit too 'taxi' for me though.

Yeah-the saloon looks a bit awkward at the rear. The Wagon looks much better and the overall appeal does grow on you. They do have a distinctive look which some adore and some dislike.

I'll go check the lottery ticket..

Squealey · « **Reply #39 on:** 28 October 2009, 11:18:14 »

My dad did (briefly) look at a previous shape Superb in black with a 2.5TDi engine and quite a lot of toys, it was huge in the back and my dad was quite impressed but the dealer wanted a price to change from his 2.0D X Type estate of £8000. The Skoda was 3 months older than the Jag and had 15,000 more miles. There was no way on earth my old man could have done that!!!!

cruisetopoland · « **Reply #40 on:** 28 October 2009, 11:34:25 »

My mate runs a (old shape) 2003 1.9TDi Comfort and had it powerchipped. I goes very well at 150BHP and he gets 70mpg on a run. I was doubtful of this being a true figure so challenged him and off we went, brimful. It was right on refill!! Jesus-amazing for a big heavy car.

The old one is very dated but worthy, the new Superb is in a different league quality-wise.

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