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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: STEMO on 24 November 2021, 16:32:53
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Terrible
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Oh dear what a shame.
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That is terrible, a waste of human life, due to mans inhumanity to man, and pure greed by the traffickers who the French and UK Governments are failing dismally to stop! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
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That is terrible, a waste of human life, due to mans inhumanity to man, and pure greed by the traffickers who the French and UK Governments are failing dismally to stop! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Yeah
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Now totalled at 27
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That is terrible, a waste of human life, due to pure greed by the traffickers who the French Government is failing dismally to stop! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Fixed that for you Lizzie. ::)
This is on the French government who have allowed organised crime to flourish on their northern shores and I wouldn't be surprised if it emerged that there have been some nice fat brown envelopes ending up in the pockets of French officials and politicians courtesy of the people traffickers. >:(
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That is terrible, a waste of human life, due to mans inhumanity to man, and pure greed by the traffickers who the French and UK Governments are failing dismally to stop! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Yeah
Yes, I know how you and many others feel Steve about all these foreigners invading our lands.
But, just remember it was the Western nations including, and especially GB, that invaded their lands, robbed their lands of anything of worth, forced them into slavery and brought them to the West*, then got them to fight the 'White Mans Wars' in the 20th Century, then invaded their lands to fight wars in the 21st Century which destroyed the political and religious balance of those lands.
In short the West, along with Britain, created the history which has formed the modern challenge of mass movements of people.
To use an old saying: We sowed the wind, now we reap the whirlwind.
Without forming a sealed, undemocratic, autocratic state, like China, I do not know of a sensible, practice, answer to this challenge for the UK or Europe. :( :(
*I of course recognise that some foreign, no-western, states and their peoples, especially in Africa, were also heavily involved in this.
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That is terrible, a waste of human life, due to pure greed by the traffickers who the French Government is failing dismally to stop! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Fixed that for you Lizzie. ::)
This is on the French government who have allowed organised crime to flourish on their northern shores and I wouldn't be surprised if it emerged that there have been some nice fat brown envelopes ending up in the pockets of French officials and politicians courtesy of the people traffickers. >:(
I agree, but after our Government paying the French at least £54 million to stop this challenge, our politicians are also responsible for it all. ;)
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A terrible, but inevitable tragedy. I would imagine that the good that will come out of it, is that the politicians will now be shamed into putting a stop to it.
Cant imagine how they can let it carry on, and continue to use these people as political pawns, after this.
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That is terrible, a waste of human life, due to pure greed by the traffickers who the French Government is failing dismally to stop! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Fixed that for you Lizzie. ::)
This is on the French government who have allowed organised crime to flourish on their northern shores and I wouldn't be surprised if it emerged that there have been some nice fat brown envelopes ending up in the pockets of French officials and politicians courtesy of the people traffickers. >:(
I agree, but after our Government paying the French at least £54 million to stop this challenge, our politicians are also responsible for it all. ;)
Not really. We paid the French to stop the boat people and they haven't bothered. I expect some of that £54 mill has been trousered by French officials and politicians as well. ::)
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(https://i.postimg.cc/gjqPwTXB/Frenchpolice.jpg)
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Death toll now at 31 and expected to rise further.
French (and arguably British) politicians have been complicit. They are willingly, the last links in a chain of global people traffickers.
If the world was just they would end up behind bars along with the rest of the chain, but thats never going to happen.
The French have allowed all these people to come, just to piss off the British.
The British Govt. have said they would like to do something to stop it but are powerless.
I think they are not so much powerless as utterly spineless.
Shame on all of them. >:(
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Couple of random thoughts.
What are the EU doing as these migrants didn’t parachute into France before getting on a smugglers boat?
There has always been migration. The Irish left Ireland in huge numbers during famine for example. Italy likewise. The countries they ended up in weren’t exactly welcoming and yet now they are part of society.
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Couple of random thoughts.
What are the EU doing as these migrants didn’t parachute into France before getting on a smugglers boat?
There has always been migration. The Irish left Ireland in huge numbers during famine for example. Italy likewise. The countries they ended up in weren’t exactly welcoming and yet now they are part of society.
Well Sir , if you don't know by now why there is such a public aversion to mass uncontrolled , unregulated and unscrutinised economic migration from predominantly non Christian countries then you must let us all know where you purchased the bubble you live in .
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At the present rate of passive invasion it won’t be long before this country will be worse than the places these people are leaving.
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Shooting them would soon stop them. The numbers might be higher than 31 though.
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Just hope that the sea is extremely rough again today, because the powers that be are doing sod all to stop these scrounging bastards, it's totally unsustainable to continue handouts to people that have contributed nil.
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Not really. We paid the French to stop the boat people and they haven't bothered. I expect some of that £54 mill has been trousered by French officials and politicians as well. ::)
These are governments we're talking about. £54million is barely enough to set up a meeting room and acquire tea&biscuits/croissants&coffee.
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Not really. We paid the French to stop the boat people and they haven't bothered. I expect some of that £54 mill has been trousered by French officials and politicians as well. ::)
These are governments we're talking about. £54million is barely enough to set up a meeting room and acquire tea&biscuits/croissants&coffee.
That is very true Nick :y
It is going to take a lot more than that. The latest thing this morning is that apparently the British Government are talking about putting British Police on French beaches.
But how many police would that require, and at what cost?
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Not really. We paid the French to stop the boat people and they haven't bothered. I expect some of that £54 mill has been trousered by French officials and politicians as well. ::)
These are governments we're talking about. £54million is barely enough to set up a meeting room and acquire tea&biscuits/croissants&coffee.
That is very true Nick :y
It is going to take a lot more than that. The latest thing this morning is that apparently the British Government are talking about putting British Police on French beaches.
But how many police would that require, and at what cost?
More importantly, what are we prepared to do without whilst our already overstretched police are arguing uselessly in France?
The only way to stop this is to make the UK such a shit place to live that these migrants want to stay where they are, and make the 68million people who already live here want to emigrate. Which is hardly a solution. Or we could deliberately sink all of these boats as they enter our waters, but who wants to live in a country that will do such a thing?
France is never going to take much of a stand on this, as they have long had a worse migrant problem than we do. Any that are just passing through are encouraged to do so. Expect this to get worse, not better, as France's equivalent of Brexiteers increase the pressure on Macron.
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Well this unequivocally an EU problem and the hypocrisy of them accusing Luckashenko of weaponising the migrants on the Polish border yet openly avoiding the issue of them crossing a border out of the EU into a non EU country is repugnant , but wholly expected.
Perhaps , if this is the case , then the UK should say OK y'all travelled across various states of the EU to enter our country illegally so it's only right and proper we will return you to the EU .
Ship and bus them to the Irish border and point them south .
I'm certain that many will turn north but let's see them sail across the Irish sea in a rubber boat or try and find succour in the warm and welcoming Unionist or Republican gated estates that are so loved up there ......
Before the usual suspects have an apoplectic fit .................I say this tongue in cheek.. ;)
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Well this unequivocally an EU problem and the hypocrisy of them accusing Luckashenko of weaponising the migrants on the Polish border yet openly avoiding the issue of them crossing a border out of the EU into a non EU country is repugnant , but wholly expected.
Perhaps , if this is the case , then the UK should say OK y'all travelled across various states of the EU to enter our country illegally so it's only right and proper we will return you to the EU .
Ship and bus them to the Irish border and point them south .
I'm certain that many will turn north but let's see them sail across the Irish sea in a rubber boat or try and find succour in the warm and welcoming Unionist or Republican gated estates that are so loved up there ......
Before the usual suspects have an apoplectic fit .................I say this tongue in cheek.. ;)
That was all fine up until that last bit.
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Well this unequivocally an EU problem and the hypocrisy of them accusing Luckashenko of weaponising the migrants on the Polish border yet openly avoiding the issue of them crossing a border out of the EU into a non EU country is repugnant , but wholly expected.
Perhaps , if this is the case , then the UK should say OK y'all travelled across various states of the EU to enter our country illegally so it's only right and proper we will return you to the EU .
Ship and bus them to the Irish border and point them south .
I'm certain that many will turn north but let's see them sail across the Irish sea in a rubber boat or try and find succour in the warm and welcoming Unionist or Republican gated estates that are so loved up there ......
Before the usual suspects have an apoplectic fit .................I say this tongue in cheek.. ;)
That was all fine up until that last bit.
I've got to cover my arse down here Steve....... ;)
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Not really. We paid the French to stop the boat people and they haven't bothered. I expect some of that £54 mill has been trousered by French officials and politicians as well. ::)
These are governments we're talking about. £54million is barely enough to set up a meeting room and acquire tea&biscuits/croissants&coffee.
They could start by paying the RNLI :-X
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Well this unequivocally an EU problem and the hypocrisy of them accusing Luckashenko of weaponising the migrants on the Polish border yet openly avoiding the issue of them crossing a border out of the EU into a non EU country is repugnant , but wholly expected.
Perhaps , if this is the case , then the UK should say OK y'all travelled across various states of the EU to enter our country illegally so it's only right and proper we will return you to the EU .
Ship and bus them to the Irish border and point them south .
I'm certain that many will turn north but let's see them sail across the Irish sea in a rubber boat or try and find succour in the warm and welcoming Unionist or Republican gated estates that are so loved up there ......
Before the usual suspects have an apoplectic fit .................I say this tongue in cheek.. ;)
Good idea. They could each be given a goodie bag with pork sausages and some Stilton cheese
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I have to admit to being naive. After what happened yesterday I thought the French politicians would hold their hands up and say enough is enough. This isnt funny any more. We have to do something serious to make sure this cant happen again.
This morning several announcements have come out of France, all of which are still polticising the issue, and blaming it all on the Brits.
They really are inhuman scum. Even by the usual standard of Politicians.
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I have to admit to being naive. After what happened yesterday I thought the French politicians would hold their hands up and say enough is enough. This isnt funny any more. We have to do something serious to make sure this cant happen again.
This morning several announcements have come out of France, all of which are still polticising the issue, and blaming it all on the Brits.
They really are inhuman scum. Even by the usual standard of Politicians.
Sadly, as long as they are French, that is all that matters. Win or lose, being French is the most significant motivation. For the French.
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When Britain was in the EU, we could send asylum seekers back to the EU country of entry apparently. Since leaving we cannot. Could Boris “ take back” control and pass a law to counter that?
Alternatively get the Rangers( grey berets) involved. They could organise missions to take out the smuggler gangs and also disable the smuggler crafts before launch.
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Just hope that the sea is extremely rough again today, because the powers that be are doing sod all to stop these scrounging bastards, it's totally unsustainable to continue handouts to people that have contributed nil.
Is it though?
Last figures I saw, asylum seekers (successful or not) cost uk tax payers about £480m a year. Compared to (for example) just about £100 billion on state pensions. Or £5 billion lost through tax evasion. Given that you have to have a career average earnings of over £30k, and pay your taxes, before you put more into the welfare state than you take out, (more if you have children and don't pay to educate them privately) then I'm pretty sure I know which is more unsustainable.
Objection to migrants coming here in the way these people do is ideological, its not about money.
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Indeed. For what they are alleged to be paying just to cross the Channel, they could fly First on Emirates from their point of origin and take a chance at Heathrow Immigration. :-X
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Macron said today that they tell these people they are welcome to stay in France, but they dont want to.
Therefore they have no possible legitimate reason to cross the channel claiming to seek refuge or asylum.
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Which begs the question why they voluntarily do it in the manner they do. P&O sandwiches aren't that bad...
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I don't really understand wtf they don't just claim asylum in France, go through the legal process and get a French passport. Then they could come over here any time they wanted to.
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More importantly, what are we prepared to do without whilst our already overstretched police are arguing uselessly in France?
The only way to stop this is to make the UK such a shit place to live that these migrants want to stay where they are, and make the 68million people who already live here want to emigrate. Which is hardly a solution. Or we could deliberately sink all of these boats as they enter our waters, but who wants to live in a country that will do such a thing?
France is never going to take much of a stand on this, as they have long had a worse migrant problem than we do. Any that are just passing through are encouraged to do so. Expect this to get worse, not better, as France's equivalent of Brexiteers increase the pressure on Macron.
Surely you only have to make the result of claiming asylum worse than France, so give them less, support them less, host them in controlled locations until their hearing is heard....
.....might result in a race to the bottom.
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Which begs the question why they voluntarily do it in the manner they do. P&O sandwiches aren't that bad...
No it doesn't:
just because your EU or UK(if recent) passport allows you to cross many national borders, it doesn't apply to all passports. Assuming that such people have one.
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More importantly, what are we prepared to do without whilst our already overstretched police are arguing uselessly in France?
The only way to stop this is to make the UK such a shit place to live that these migrants want to stay where they are, and make the 68million people who already live here want to emigrate. Which is hardly a solution. Or we could deliberately sink all of these boats as they enter our waters, but who wants to live in a country that will do such a thing?
France is never going to take much of a stand on this, as they have long had a worse migrant problem than we do. Any that are just passing through are encouraged to do so. Expect this to get worse, not better, as France's equivalent of Brexiteers increase the pressure on Macron.
Surely you only have to make the result of claiming asylum worse than France, so give them less, support them less, host them in controlled locations until their hearing is heard....
.....might result in a race to the bottom.
You want to get in a race to the bottom with France over immigration? That's an interesting idea.
No, not interesting. Moronic. Actually, it doesn't matter who it's with; deliberately choosing any race to the bottom is moronic.
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Oft chanted that Britain is attractive because it is easy to get work as an illegal. Might be right.plenty of businesses looking for cheap labour despite there are supposed to be “ controls”.
Here is what the French said on Euronews.
“ French interior minister Gerald Darmanin, meanwhile, reiterated France's call for the UK to reform their labour market.
"It is also the attractiveness of Great Britain which is in question, in particular its labour market, since everyone knows that there are a million, more than a million, 1,200,000 illegal immigrants in Great Britain and that English employers use this labour to manufacture the things that the English consume," he told RTL“
That seems like a lot! 1 in 70?
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Well, it shows the French are actually counting how many they let out :-X
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Oft chanted that Britain is attractive because it is easy to get work as an illegal. Might be right.plenty of businesses looking for cheap labour despite there are supposed to be “ controls”.
Here is what the French said on Euronews.
“ French interior minister Gerald Darmanin, meanwhile, reiterated France's call for the UK to reform their labour market.
"It is also the attractiveness of Great Britain which is in question, in particular its labour market, since everyone knows that there are a million, more than a million, 1,200,000 illegal immigrants in Great Britain and that English employers use this labour to manufacture the things that the English consume," he told RTL“
That seems like a lot! 1 in 70?
Note the phrase everybody knows. That is always code for here are some statistics that I totally made up to 'prove' my point.
Such statements should always be ridiculed for being mendacious, manipulative bullshit.
Unfortunately, they never are.
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Oft chanted that Britain is attractive because it is easy to get work as an illegal. Might be right.plenty of businesses looking for cheap labour despite there are supposed to be “ controls”.
Here is what the French said on Euronews.
“ French interior minister Gerald Darmanin, meanwhile, reiterated France's call for the UK to reform their labour market.
"It is also the attractiveness of Great Britain which is in question, in particular its labour market, since everyone knows that there are a million, more than a million, 1,200,000 illegal immigrants in Great Britain and that English employers use this labour to manufacture the things that the English consume," he told RTL“
That seems like a lot! 1 in 70?
Note the phrase everybody knows. That is always code for here are some statistics that I totally made up to 'prove' my point.
Such statements should always be ridiculed for being mendacious, manipulative bullshit.
Unfortunately, they never are.
He might well be right and there may well be over a million people living in the UK who have no right to be here. :-\
Over two decades of hand wringing and looking the other way by successive governments have seen to that. ::)
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Oft chanted that Britain is attractive because it is easy to get work as an illegal. Might be right.plenty of businesses looking for cheap labour despite there are supposed to be “ controls”.
Here is what the French said on Euronews.
“ French interior minister Gerald Darmanin, meanwhile, reiterated France's call for the UK to reform their labour market.
"It is also the attractiveness of Great Britain which is in question, in particular its labour market, since everyone knows that there are a million, more than a million, 1,200,000 illegal immigrants in Great Britain and that English employers use this labour to manufacture the things that the English consume," he told RTL“
That seems like a lot! 1 in 70?
Note the phrase everybody knows. That is always code for here are some statistics that I totally made up to 'prove' my point.
Such statements should always be ridiculed for being mendacious, manipulative bullshit.
Unfortunately, they never are.
He might well be right and there may well be over a million people living in the UK who have no right to be here. :-\
Over two decades of hand wringing and looking the other way by successive governments have seen to that. ::)
There might be. There might not. That's not the point, which is that everybody knows is just playing to the gallery. If the number is 1 in 70 as originally posted, then it wouldn't be too hard to prove as everyone in the country would be able to name names. Can we do that as a group, let alone individuals?
That could be applied to other undesirable(I know, and would welcome a better word) groups, like homosexuals LGBTetc, religious extremists, communists, child molesters, pronoun evangelists and all the other extreme minorities we're constantly being told are taking over. I have known, and still do know some, of all of those groups except the pronouns; I would be astonished if anyone else could claim any different.
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Oft chanted that Britain is attractive because it is easy to get work as an illegal. Might be right.plenty of businesses looking for cheap labour despite there are supposed to be “ controls”.
Here is what the French said on Euronews.
“ French interior minister Gerald Darmanin, meanwhile, reiterated France's call for the UK to reform their labour market.
"It is also the attractiveness of Great Britain which is in question, in particular its labour market, since everyone knows that there are a million, more than a million, 1,200,000 illegal immigrants in Great Britain and that English employers use this labour to manufacture the things that the English consume," he told RTL“
That seems like a lot! 1 in 70?
Note the phrase everybody knows. That is always code for here are some statistics that I totally made up to 'prove' my point.
Such statements should always be ridiculed for being mendacious, manipulative bullshit.
Unfortunately, they never are.
He might well be right and there may well be over a million people living in the UK who have no right to be here. :-\
Over two decades of hand wringing and looking the other way by successive governments have seen to that. ::)
There might be. There might not. That's not the point, which is that everybody knows is just playing to the gallery. If the number is 1 in 70 as originally posted, then it wouldn't be too hard to prove as everyone in the country would be able to name names. Can we do that as a group, let alone individuals?
That could be applied to other undesirable(I know, and would welcome a better word) groups, like homosexuals LGBTetc, religious extremists, communists, child molesters, pronoun evangelists and all the other extreme minorities we're constantly being told are taking over. I have known, and still do know some, of all of those groups except the pronouns; I would be astonished if anyone else could claim any different.
It's probably quite easy to hide a million people in plain sight in our inner cities. ::)
Not just our inner cities either, the car washes that have sprung up all over the country in recent years, Indian restaurants, Chinese takeaways etc etc etc :-X
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Oft chanted that Britain is attractive because it is easy to get work as an illegal. Might be right.plenty of businesses looking for cheap labour despite there are supposed to be “ controls”.
Here is what the French said on Euronews.
“ French interior minister Gerald Darmanin, meanwhile, reiterated France's call for the UK to reform their labour market.
"It is also the attractiveness of Great Britain which is in question, in particular its labour market, since everyone knows that there are a million, more than a million, 1,200,000 illegal immigrants in Great Britain and that English employers use this labour to manufacture the things that the English consume," he told RTL“
That seems like a lot! 1 in 70?
Note the phrase everybody knows. That is always code for here are some statistics that I totally made up to 'prove' my point.
Such statements should always be ridiculed for being mendacious, manipulative bullshit.
Unfortunately, they never are.
He might well be right and there may well be over a million people living in the UK who have no right to be here. :-\
Over two decades of hand wringing and looking the other way by successive governments have seen to that. ::)
There might be. There might not. That's not the point, which is that everybody knows is just playing to the gallery. If the number is 1 in 70 as originally posted, then it wouldn't be too hard to prove as everyone in the country would be able to name names. Can we do that as a group, let alone individuals?
That could be applied to other undesirable(I know, and would welcome a better word) groups, like homosexuals LGBTetc, religious extremists, communists, child molesters, pronoun evangelists and all the other extreme minorities we're constantly being told are taking over. I have known, and still do know some, of all of those groups except the pronouns; I would be astonished if anyone else could claim any different.
It's probably quite easy to hide a million people in plain sight in our inner cities. ::)
Not just our inner cities either, the car washes that have sprung up all over the country in recent years, Indian restaurants, Chinese takeaways etc etc etc :-X
You could hide half a million in Bradford ;D
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Oft chanted that Britain is attractive because it is easy to get work as an illegal. Might be right.plenty of businesses looking for cheap labour despite there are supposed to be “ controls”.
Here is what the French said on Euronews.
“ French interior minister Gerald Darmanin, meanwhile, reiterated France's call for the UK to reform their labour market.
"It is also the attractiveness of Great Britain which is in question, in particular its labour market, since everyone knows that there are a million, more than a million, 1,200,000 illegal immigrants in Great Britain and that English employers use this labour to manufacture the things that the English consume," he told RTL“
That seems like a lot! 1 in 70?
Note the phrase everybody knows. That is always code for here are some statistics that I totally made up to 'prove' my point.
Such statements should always be ridiculed for being mendacious, manipulative bullshit.
Unfortunately, they never are.
He might well be right and there may well be over a million people living in the UK who have no right to be here. :-\
Over two decades of hand wringing and looking the other way by successive governments have seen to that. ::)
There might be. There might not. That's not the point, which is that everybody knows is just playing to the gallery. If the number is 1 in 70 as originally posted, then it wouldn't be too hard to prove as everyone in the country would be able to name names. Can we do that as a group, let alone individuals?
That could be applied to other undesirable(I know, and would welcome a better word) groups, like homosexuals LGBTetc, religious extremists, communists, child molesters, pronoun evangelists and all the other extreme minorities we're constantly being told are taking over. I have known, and still do know some, of all of those groups except the pronouns; I would be astonished if anyone else could claim any different.
Be astonished. I don't know anyone that's gay, male or female, and I don't know anyone who's black.
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What a shame....
...it was only 27.
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Oft chanted that Britain is attractive because it is easy to get work as an illegal. Might be right.plenty of businesses looking for cheap labour despite there are supposed to be “ controls”.
Here is what the French said on Euronews.
“ French interior minister Gerald Darmanin, meanwhile, reiterated France's call for the UK to reform their labour market.
"It is also the attractiveness of Great Britain which is in question, in particular its labour market, since everyone knows that there are a million, more than a million, 1,200,000 illegal immigrants in Great Britain and that English employers use this labour to manufacture the things that the English consume," he told RTL“
That seems like a lot! 1 in 70?
Note the phrase everybody knows. That is always code for here are some statistics that I totally made up to 'prove' my point.
Such statements should always be ridiculed for being mendacious, manipulative bullshit.
Unfortunately, they never are.
He might well be right and there may well be over a million people living in the UK who have no right to be here. :-\
Over two decades of hand wringing and looking the other way by successive governments have seen to that. ::)
There might be. There might not. That's not the point, which is that everybody knows is just playing to the gallery. If the number is 1 in 70 as originally posted, then it wouldn't be too hard to prove as everyone in the country would be able to name names. Can we do that as a group, let alone individuals?
That could be applied to other undesirable(I know, and would welcome a better word) groups, like homosexuals LGBTetc, religious extremists, communists, child molesters, pronoun evangelists and all the other extreme minorities we're constantly being told are taking over. I have known, and still do know some, of all of those groups except the pronouns; I would be astonished if anyone else could claim any different.
Be astonished. I don't know anyone that's gay, male or female, and I don't know anyone who's black.
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I'm the opposite I know all of those mentioned , HMPS seemed to attract two types of females Lesbians & the " bicycle" type plenty of black/Asian officers + several gay males but nobody made a big deal of it and in my 20+ years only one black officer played the race card at my establishment.
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When are the UK government going to start shipping them off to Albania?
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When are the UK government going to start shipping them off to Albania?
When they find them. A million people will be hard to shift, Ron ;D
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Oft chanted that Britain is attractive because it is easy to get work as an illegal. Might be right.plenty of businesses looking for cheap labour despite there are supposed to be “ controls”.
Here is what the French said on Euronews.
“ French interior minister Gerald Darmanin, meanwhile, reiterated France's call for the UK to reform their labour market.
"It is also the attractiveness of Great Britain which is in question, in particular its labour market, since everyone knows that there are a million, more than a million, 1,200,000 illegal immigrants in Great Britain and that English employers use this labour to manufacture the things that the English consume," he told RTL“
That seems like a lot! 1 in 70?
Note the phrase everybody knows. That is always code for here are some statistics that I totally made up to 'prove' my point.
Such statements should always be ridiculed for being mendacious, manipulative bullshit.
Unfortunately, they never are.
He might well be right and there may well be over a million people living in the UK who have no right to be here. :-\
Over two decades of hand wringing and looking the other way by successive governments have seen to that. ::)
There might be. There might not. That's not the point, which is that everybody knows is just playing to the gallery. If the number is 1 in 70 as originally posted, then it wouldn't be too hard to prove as everyone in the country would be able to name names. Can we do that as a group, let alone individuals?
That could be applied to other undesirable(I know, and would welcome a better word) groups, like homosexuals LGBTetc, religious extremists, communists, child molesters, pronoun evangelists and all the other extreme minorities we're constantly being told are taking over. I have known, and still do know some, of all of those groups except the pronouns; I would be astonished if anyone else could claim any different.
Be astonished. I don't know anyone that's gay, male or female, and I don't know anyone who's black.
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I'm the opposite I know all of those mentioned , HMPS seemed to attract two types of females Lesbians & the " bicycle" type plenty of black/Asian officers + several gay males but nobody made a big deal of it and in my 20+ years only one black officer played the race card at my establishment.
To put a balance on that, I know of all those categories - inside the police service and outside it, as I did in the retail field and personally.
Steve you haven’t lived, but there again why would everyone who is, say lesbian or gay, tell you they are?
They may know you would have no understanding of their lives. ;)
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What was it Greta said? Oh yeah....blah.....blah.....blah.
I haven't lived? Cheeky cow. I've lived a very full and normal life, thank you.
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When are the UK government going to start shipping them off to Albania?
Been shelved. They looked at some remote places like Ascension island.
Why hasn’t Boris asked the EU why they weren’t given asylum in the country of entry? They did not parachute into Northern France?
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When are the UK government going to start shipping them off to Albania?
Been shelved. They looked at some remote places like Ascension island.
Why hasn’t Boris asked the EU why they weren’t given asylum in the country of entry? They did not parachute into Northern France?
Napoleon said they are welcome to stay there, but don't want to. That's kind of believable. ;D
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When are the UK government going to start shipping them off to Albania?
Been shelved. They looked at some remote places like Ascension island.
Why hasn’t Boris asked the EU why they weren’t given asylum in the country of entry? They did not parachute into Northern France?
Napoleon said they are welcome to stay there, but don't want to. That's kind of believable. ;D
Yeah, who the f@ck whats to live in a country full of French people? ;D
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Ive met / known lots of people in life. Mainly obviously hetrosexual people, a few obviously gay people, some I have no idea, nor do I care.
I suspect most gay people just are what they are. Dont wear it like a badge and look for an excuse to take offence at everything everyone else says or does.
On the other hand we have a very small, but very noisy minority who fall into the latter category, supported by useful idiots who jump to their defence at every opportunity, when no defence is needed, because no offence has been intended.
We are living in the tyranny of woke at the moment, courtesy of the small noisy minority ands the idiots who join in, believing they are doing some good.
It wont last. If it did, civilisation which has evolved over millennia would crumble and fall.
The reaction against it has started and will gather momentum. Unfortunately, as is often the way, the result may be that the pendulum swings back too far in the opposite direction.
The noisy minority and their useful idiots will only have themselves to blame though.
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Ahh the French… and good luck to the snail eating Tw@£s
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Ive met / known lots of people in life. Mainly obviously hetrosexual people, a few obviously gay people, some I have no idea, nor do I care.
I suspect most gay people just are what they are. Dont wear it like a badge and look for an excuse to take offence at everything everyone else says or does.
On the other hand we have a very small, but very noisy minority who fall into the latter category, supported by useful idiots who jump to their defence at every opportunity, when no defence is needed, because no offence has been intended.
We are living in the tyranny of woke at the moment, courtesy of the small noisy minority ands the idiots who join in, believing they are doing some good.
It wont last. If it did, civilisation which has evolved over millennia would crumble and fall.
The reaction against it has started and will gather momentum. Unfortunately, as is often the way, the result may be that the pendulum swings back too far in the opposite direction.
The noisy minority and their useful idiots will only have themselves to blame though.
I didn't say I haven't met any people in the above categories, Albs, just don't know any now. But I do live in Barnsley ;D
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When are the UK government going to start shipping them off to Albania?
Been shelved. They looked at some remote places like Ascension island.
Why hasn’t Boris asked the EU why they weren’t given asylum in the country of entry? They did not parachute into Northern France?
Napoleon said they are welcome to stay there, but don't want to. That's kind of believable. ;D
Yeah, who the f@ck whats to live in a country full of French people? ;D
Fair point. :y ;D
My sister does. She actually lives there. But she is a hateful cretin who despises all things British but has managed to live very well despite never having done a days work in 65 years, and still sponges off the British state and NHS she so despises.
We really need to nuke France. :)
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Ive met / known lots of people in life. Mainly obviously hetrosexual people, a few obviously gay people, some I have no idea, nor do I care.
I suspect most gay people just are what they are. Dont wear it like a badge and look for an excuse to take offence at everything everyone else says or does.
On the other hand we have a very small, but very noisy minority who fall into the latter category, supported by useful idiots who jump to their defence at every opportunity, when no defence is needed, because no offence has been intended.
We are living in the tyranny of woke at the moment, courtesy of the small noisy minority ands the idiots who join in, believing they are doing some good.
It wont last. If it did, civilisation which has evolved over millennia would crumble and fall.
The reaction against it has started and will gather momentum. Unfortunately, as is often the way, the result may be that the pendulum swings back too far in the opposite direction.
The noisy minority and their useful idiots will only have themselves to blame though.
One of the biggest feeders of all this woke sh!t is the BBC.
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Perhaps they have an OOF member as an expert adviser ? ;D
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Ive met / known lots of people in life. Mainly obviously hetrosexual people, a few obviously gay people, some I have no idea, nor do I care.
I suspect most gay people just are what they are. Dont wear it like a badge and look for an excuse to take offence at everything everyone else says or does.
On the other hand we have a very small, but very noisy minority who fall into the latter category, supported by useful idiots who jump to their defence at every opportunity, when no defence is needed, because no offence has been intended.
We are living in the tyranny of woke at the moment, courtesy of the small noisy minority ands the idiots who join in, believing they are doing some good.
It wont last. If it did, civilisation which has evolved over millennia would crumble and fall.
The reaction against it has started and will gather momentum. Unfortunately, as is often the way, the result may be that the pendulum swings back too far in the opposite direction.
The noisy minority and their useful idiots will only have themselves to blame though.
Yes unfortunately the minority, woke, self important, whining, self pitying fools are going to make it terrible for the majority of the LB or whatever they are to just get along as they were before they started peddling this anti normal shit.
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Perhaps they have an OOF member as an expert adviser ? ;D
Who dat den? ;D
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Oft chanted that Britain is attractive because it is easy to get work as an illegal. Might be right.plenty of businesses looking for cheap labour despite there are supposed to be “ controls”.
Here is what the French said on Euronews.
“ French interior minister Gerald Darmanin, meanwhile, reiterated France's call for the UK to reform their labour market.
"It is also the attractiveness of Great Britain which is in question, in particular its labour market, since everyone knows that there are a million, more than a million, 1,200,000 illegal immigrants in Great Britain and that English employers use this labour to manufacture the things that the English consume," he told RTL“
That seems like a lot! 1 in 70?
Note the phrase everybody knows. That is always code for here are some statistics that I totally made up to 'prove' my point.
Such statements should always be ridiculed for being mendacious, manipulative bullshit.
Unfortunately, they never are.
He might well be right and there may well be over a million people living in the UK who have no right to be here. :-\
Over two decades of hand wringing and looking the other way by successive governments have seen to that. ::)
There might be. There might not. That's not the point, which is that everybody knows is just playing to the gallery. If the number is 1 in 70 as originally posted, then it wouldn't be too hard to prove as everyone in the country would be able to name names. Can we do that as a group, let alone individuals?
That could be applied to other undesirable(I know, and would welcome a better word) groups, like homosexuals LGBTetc, religious extremists, communists, child molesters, pronoun evangelists and all the other extreme minorities we're constantly being told are taking over. I have known, and still do know some, of all of those groups except the pronouns; I would be astonished if anyone else could claim any different.
Be astonished. I don't know anyone that's gay, male or female, and I don't know anyone who's black.
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I'm the opposite I know all of those mentioned , HMPS seemed to attract two types of females Lesbians & the " bicycle" type plenty of black/Asian officers + several gay males but nobody made a big deal of it and in my 20+ years only one black officer played the race card at my establishment.
To put a balance on that, I know of all those categories - inside the police service and outside it, as I did in the retail field and personally.
Steve you haven’t lived, but there again why would everyone who is, say lesbian or gay, tell you they are?
They may know you would have no understanding of their lives. ;)
And she's off...
You presume that he, or any body else, cared to ask because quite simply any number of those labels don't matter. The only people who worry about such things are people afraid to be cancelled or vilified for not towing the line.
To suggest that STEMO hasn't lived is like me suggesting that you actually understand why we don't care what colour or flavour someone's rainbow happens to be.
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A boat load of people drowned in the Channel and TRE* makes it about divisity.
Only on OOF.
*We call it The Resident Expert because...
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When are the UK government going to start shipping them off to Albania?
Been shelved. They looked at some remote places like Ascension island.
Why hasn’t Boris asked the EU why they weren’t given asylum in the country of entry? They did not parachute into Northern France?
It was an asinine idea anyway. By the time you've spent money taking them to, and keeping them in another country, it would have been easier, quicker and cheaper to employ fewer people able to expedite the paperwork and deport or allow them in legally.
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Reading back, through this thread and others, it appears that most of them, sooner or later, head in the same direction. I don't have to enlarge on that, I'm sure you know what I mean.
It's beginning to define the forum. People's views are entrenched and there seems to be no chance of compromise. (How can there be?)
I know I say things which I regret later, but that's how slanging matches work. What is said on here can never change anything in the real world and, personally, I think I'm devoting a bit too much of my day to it.
So, in future, I'm steering clear when things start to head in that direction. I'm self cancelling. ;D
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Oft chanted that Britain is attractive because it is easy to get work as an illegal. Might be right.plenty of businesses looking for cheap labour despite there are supposed to be “ controls”.
Here is what the French said on Euronews.
“ French interior minister Gerald Darmanin, meanwhile, reiterated France's call for the UK to reform their labour market.
"It is also the attractiveness of Great Britain which is in question, in particular its labour market, since everyone knows that there are a million, more than a million, 1,200,000 illegal immigrants in Great Britain and that English employers use this labour to manufacture the things that the English consume," he told RTL“
That seems like a lot! 1 in 70?
Note the phrase everybody knows. That is always code for here are some statistics that I totally made up to 'prove' my point.
Such statements should always be ridiculed for being mendacious, manipulative bullshit.
Unfortunately, they never are.
He might well be right and there may well be over a million people living in the UK who have no right to be here. :-\
Over two decades of hand wringing and looking the other way by successive governments have seen to that. ::)
There might be. There might not. That's not the point, which is that everybody knows is just playing to the gallery. If the number is 1 in 70 as originally posted, then it wouldn't be too hard to prove as everyone in the country would be able to name names. Can we do that as a group, let alone individuals?
That could be applied to other undesirable(I know, and would welcome a better word) groups, like homosexuals LGBTetc, religious extremists, communists, child molesters, pronoun evangelists and all the other extreme minorities we're constantly being told are taking over. I have known, and still do know some, of all of those groups except the pronouns; I would be astonished if anyone else could claim any different.
Be astonished. I don't know anyone that's gay, male or female, and I don't know anyone who's black.
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I'm the opposite I know all of those mentioned , HMPS seemed to attract two types of females Lesbians & the " bicycle" type plenty of black/Asian officers + several gay males but nobody made a big deal of it and in my 20+ years only one black officer played the race card at my establishment.
To put a balance on that, I know of all those categories - inside the police service and outside it, as I did in the retail field and personally.
Steve you haven’t lived, but there again why would everyone who is, say lesbian or gay, tell you they are?
They may know you would have no understanding of their lives. ;)
And she's off...
You presume that he, or any body else, cared to ask because quite simply any number of those labels don't matter. The only people who worry about such things are people afraid to be cancelled or vilified for not towing the line.
To suggest that STEMO hasn't lived is like me suggesting that you actually understand why we don't care what colour or flavour someone's rainbow happens to be.
Here you go again!! >:(
It was STEMO in post #43 that started off the subject of not knowing any lesbians, gays, blacks, and Nick W who posted afterwards that he had known those during his HMP service, to which I simply replied that I have also known plenty in my sphere of life. For STEMO to have raised the subject prompted we to joke he had never lived!
Now typical it is all MY fault!!! ::) ::) ::) >:( >:(
If people do not like my responses on this subject, then don’t fxcking post such statements touching on diversity labels.
Those lost in the Channel are all God’s children, just like you and me. End of. No need to touch on colour of skin, or sexual preferences which, I FULLY AGREE, has nothing to do with this thread!!
More importantly No one has touched on TB’s #44 post ; all I will say is that not only did 23 men die, but a heavily pregnant woman, a young girl, and two teenagers. That IS precious life lost, nothing to be dismissed as “what a shame………. ……….it was only 27” as TB did.
But none of you care or have the balls to say “out of order!” and Expressing why you think it is.
Has the OOF slumped to that level now? It used to be a friendly, almost un-offensive family friendly forum to be on until certain elements took over.
And you wonder why I make my feelings known!! I wonder at times, but my Omega still has priority along with the knowledge that there others on here who feel as I do.
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TB's point is valid , people learn from mistakes afterwards ,often when it's too late .
those people CHOOSE to get on the dingy/boat ,a gamble that didn't pay off for them ::)
If large numbers die trying to cross the channel then that will be a deterrent for others to try ;)
the UK and French governments efforts are clearly no deterrent at present >:(
Whilst I appreciate there are millions of people in this world living in horrific situations and should be helped :'(.....
people who made it to Europe mainland with thousands of pounds to pay traffickers for risky channel crossings >:( would be better off staying in Europe and claiming asylum, using their money more wisely .
the UK is a tiny rock, it can't sustain the people already here ::)
we don't have the land mass for farming enough food ,and haven't for years ,let alone enough room for housing the current 70 million people ::)
With such a densely populated country , things like rapid spread of diseases ,like Chinese Virus and future more deadly diseases ,air quality etc means we need to pull up the drawbridge ,sort out our own poor, hungry, ill and homeless FIRST
that may come across as harsh and uncaring ,even unpalatable to some, BUT , the UK can NOT continue picking up the tab for other countries BAD CHOICES ,lack of planning and disasters
Because the UK has enough of it's own :-X
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TB's point is valid , people learn from mistakes afterwards ,often when it's too late .
those people CHOOSE to get on the dingy/boat ,a gamble that didn't pay off for them ::)
If large numbers die trying to cross the channel then that will be a deterrent for others to try ;)
the UK and French governments efforts are clearly no deterrent at present >:(
Whilst I appreciate there are millions of people in this world living in horrific situations and should be helped :'(.....
people who made it to Europe mainland with thousands of pounds to pay traffickers for risky channel crossings >:( would be better off staying in Europe and claiming asylum, using their money more wisely .
the UK is a tiny rock, it can't sustain the people already here ::)
we don't have the land mass for farming enough food ,and haven't for years ,let alone enough room for housing the current 70 million people ::)
With such a densely populated country , things like rapid spread of diseases ,like Chinese Virus and future more deadly diseases ,air quality etc means we need to pull up the drawbridge ,sort out our own poor, hungry, ill and homeless FIRST
that may come across as harsh and uncaring ,even unpalatable to some, BUT , the UK can NOT continue picking up the tab for other countries BAD CHOICES ,lack of planning and disasters
Because the UK has enough of it's own :-X
That is a fair response Dave, outlining a lot of the issues surrounding a subject that I doubt anyone has an answer to. It should be remembered though that the UK takes in a fraction of migrants that France, Germany, Greece, and other European countries accept and house.
Family first is an old saying, but we in this country mostly originate from being immigrants, and we have a history of taking in the vulnerable and those living in fear of their lives. Where do we stop doing that? I do not know, and obviously our leaders don’t know either! ::)
I do think TB’s response was harsh and living up to his rather public uncaring style, although I know behind the scenes he is a big softy. So let’s consider his manner “unfortunate” and a reflection of what others may think. ::) :D :D ;)
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So the French have thrown their toys out of the pram over the open letter that Boris sent to Macron. ::)
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So the French have thrown their toys out of the pram over the open letter that Boris sent to Macron. ::)
Yep, the French never change! ::) ::) ;D
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Actually, Nick made mention. Stemo simply said that he wasn't aware of knowing (or being bothered by) any one of that group.
Then you got you bits in a wad. So yes, off you went again.
Whether TB has any compassion or not isn't a matter of debate. That's for him to deal with and for you to accept.
Ultimately those deaths are on the French authorities for so blatantly allowing them to set out... After all, what's the most likely outcome of setting out in an overloaded open boat in late November during Spring tides?
Why should a charity be expected to rescue every single person all of the time when what they are doing is no more legal or sensible than taking a boat out drunk?
As tragic as it is that people are literally dying to get here, that's their choice and the risk they take in spite of having travelled through several equally pleasant places to get to French France.
And for all its faults, ie the French French, France is actually an underpopulated place of truly diverse landscapes. Certainly there are warmer places to go.
People are regularly washed up in the Canaries, and they're several times further from Africa than the Channel crossing. Those that make it are swiftly rounded up and taken to a secure compound and deported at the first opportunity. 127 arrived on Gran Canaria the other day. I don't remember seeing that on the news here :-X
Short of population the Channel with aggressive, hungry Bull and Tiger sharks, there's not much to be done to make the crossing any harder, and again, for the costs involved, there are better ways to travel.
One way or another these people will keep coming and it is cheaper for us to provide for them than not as crime rates would rise exponentially forcing them to steal food etc.
The only deterrent is the ultimate one, but even that won't stop them coming. Ultimately that's why Poland stopped at water cannons and tear gas even though they were well within their rights to robustly defend their border. How many of those are going to die cold, wet and hungry in the forests of Eastern Europe? Given that choice, getting shot may be considered merciful.
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That is a fair response Dave, outlining a lot of the issues surrounding a subject that I doubt anyone has an answer to. It should be remembered though that the UK takes in a fraction of migrants that France, Germany, Greece, and other European countries accept and house.
compare the "fraction" to land mass Lizzie . we are a tiny island .
Family first is an old saying, but we in this country mostly originate from being immigrants, and we have a history of taking in the vulnerable and those living in fear of their lives. Where do we stop doing that? I do not know, and obviously our leaders don’t know either! ::)
Pretty simple really ,we stop NOW ,the UK is beyond full ;)
there's plenty of land mass with low/no population elsewhere in the world , such land requires workers to farm it, build infrastructure etc
there are plenty of "workers" in the form of the migrants This thread is about .
I do think TB’s response was harsh and living up to his rather public uncaring style, although I know behind the scenes he is a big softy. So let’s consider his manner “unfortunate” and a reflection of what others may think. ::) :D :D ;)
TB is a nice bloke , his comment may seen harsh to some ,but we need Balance to counteract wishy washy woke do gooders :D
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Oft chanted that Britain is attractive because it is easy to get work as an illegal. Might be right.plenty of businesses looking for cheap labour despite there are supposed to be “ controls”.
Here is what the French said on Euronews.
“ French interior minister Gerald Darmanin, meanwhile, reiterated France's call for the UK to reform their labour market.
"It is also the attractiveness of Great Britain which is in question, in particular its labour market, since everyone knows that there are a million, more than a million, 1,200,000 illegal immigrants in Great Britain and that English employers use this labour to manufacture the things that the English consume," he told RTL“
That seems like a lot! 1 in 70?
Note the phrase everybody knows. That is always code for here are some statistics that I totally made up to 'prove' my point.
Such statements should always be ridiculed for being mendacious, manipulative bullshit.
Unfortunately, they never are.
He might well be right and there may well be over a million people living in the UK who have no right to be here. :-\
Over two decades of hand wringing and looking the other way by successive governments have seen to that. ::)
There might be. There might not. That's not the point, which is that everybody knows is just playing to the gallery. If the number is 1 in 70 as originally posted, then it wouldn't be too hard to prove as everyone in the country would be able to name names. Can we do that as a group, let alone individuals?
That could be applied to other undesirable(I know, and would welcome a better word) groups, like homosexuals LGBTetc, religious extremists, communists, child molesters, pronoun evangelists and all the other extreme minorities we're constantly being told are taking over. I have known, and still do know some, of all of those groups except the pronouns; I would be astonished if anyone else could claim any different.
Be astonished. I don't know anyone that's gay, male or female, and I don't know anyone who's black.
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I'm the opposite I know all of those mentioned , HMPS seemed to attract two types of females Lesbians & the " bicycle" type plenty of black/Asian officers + several gay males but nobody made a big deal of it and in my 20+ years only one black officer played the race card at my establishment.
To put a balance on that, I know of all those categories - inside the police service and outside it, as I did in the retail field and personally.
Steve you haven’t lived, but there again why would everyone who is, say lesbian or gay, tell you they are?
They may know you would have no understanding of their lives. ;)
And she's off...
You presume that he, or any body else, cared to ask because quite simply any number of those labels don't matter. The only people who worry about such things are people afraid to be cancelled or vilified for not towing the line.
To suggest that STEMO hasn't lived is like me suggesting that you actually understand why we don't care what colour or flavour someone's rainbow happens to be.
Here you go again!! >:(
It was STEMO in post #43 that started off the subject of not knowing any lesbians, gays, blacks, and Nick W who posted afterwards that he had known those during his HMP service, to which I simply replied that I have also known plenty in my sphere of life. For STEMO to have raised the subject prompted we to joke he had never lived!
Now typical it is all MY fault!!! ::) ::) ::) >:( >:(
If people do not like my responses on this subject, then don’t fxcking post such statements touching on diversity labels.
Those lost in the Channel are all God’s children, just like you and me. End of. No need to touch on colour of skin, or sexual preferences which, I FULLY AGREE, has nothing to do with this thread!!
More importantly No one has touched on TB’s #44 post ; all I will say is that not only did 23 men die, but a heavily pregnant woman, a young girl, and two teenagers. That IS precious life lost, nothing to be dismissed as “what a shame………. ……….it was only 27” as TB did.
But none of you care or have the balls to say “out of order!” and Expressing why you think it is.
Has the OOF slumped to that level now? It used to be a friendly, almost un-offensive family friendly forum to be on until certain elements took over.
And you wonder why I make my feelings known!! I wonder at times, but my Omega still has priority along with the knowledge that there others on here who feel as I do.
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I'll say it again Lizzie ignore some of the total imbeciles on here , I've a headcount of 3 that I completely ignore on here my thinking is would I give them the time of day in real life , absolutely not they try to be clever with ridiculous comments but are just too stupid to realise how they appear.
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That is a fair response Dave, outlining a lot of the issues surrounding a subject that I doubt anyone has an answer to. It should be remembered though that the UK takes in a fraction of migrants that France, Germany, Greece, and other European countries accept and house.
compare the "fraction" to land mass Lizzie . we are a tiny island .
Family first is an old saying, but we in this country mostly originate from being immigrants, and we have a history of taking in the vulnerable and those living in fear of their lives. Where do we stop doing that? I do not know, and obviously our leaders don’t know either! ::)
Pretty simple really ,we stop NOW ,the UK is beyond full ;)
there's plenty of land mass with low/no population elsewhere in the world , such land requires workers to farm it, build infrastructure etc
there are plenty of "workers" in the form of the migrants This thread is about .
I do think TB’s response was harsh and living up to his rather public uncaring style, although I know behind the scenes he is a big softy. So let’s consider his manner “unfortunate” and a reflection of what others may think. ::) :D :D ;)
TB is a nice bloke , his comment may seen harsh to some ,but we need Balance to counteract wishy washy woke do gooders :D
Some Dave will find it hard to believe but I, as a right winger by nature on most subjects (but not Diversity before someone shouts out because I have read history and fear what man can do against fellow mankind in minority groups), do agree with the idea of a “balance” considering both the needs of the very troubled migrants, and our desperate requirements as a nation to meet the needs of our own desperate peoples who need housing, a sound health service, and just general land space that is disappearing all too fast. That’s what I meant by no one, unless you are God, has an answer to all that.
Do we patrol the channel with gun boats and kill men, women and children if we have to to stop them, or make coming into our country through the official routes easier, or do we fight all the EU nations to keep the migrants at their borders, with force used as necessary?
I am not going to attempt to answer that as my views could be too strong for some, surprisingly, not TB though, and I think our politicians have got to man or women up to make the decision. ;)
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I'll say it again Lizzie ignore some of the total imbeciles on here , I've a headcount of 3 that I completely ignore on here my thinking is would I give them the time of day in real life , absolutely not they try to be clever with ridiculous comments but are just too stupid to realise how they appear.
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;D :y Thanks Rangie for your continuing support and advice. :y
Yes, I know I should say nothing, but I am not like that. It did me well in business and life generally to know to always speak up with my views, even when against the types of people you describe, but far worse, being so called set in their ways men and women, who often were of criminal intent or just wanted to play a business political game in my billion pound empire, I speak up without fear or favour to challenge those causing distress to the highly vulnerable and weak, as my mum, grandmother, and great grandmother did, although the latter used her fists to do so in the Victorian age! ;D
So all the time some want to fire crap at me I will send it back with a bonus attached. ;)
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Like I said Lizzie ,the Migrants trying to cross the channel have other options .
feel sorry for people who are genuinely starving, suffering horrendous human rights violations etc instead
the Royal Navy turning the boats round and sending them back is an option .
make crossing the channel in boats not an option ,it's lining the pockets of corrupt officials and people traffickers >:(
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All completely true and sensible Dave, but your wasting your breath. ;)
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Indeed we all feel sorry for these people in our hearts that is undeniable, but on the other side of the coin somebody has written this which is also true copied from elsewhere.
LET'S SEE IF I GOT THIS RIGHT!!!
IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD LABOUR.
IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY.
IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET SHOT.
IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE JAILED.
IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM AGAIN.
IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY AND YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED.
IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO POLITICAL PRISON TO ROT.
IF YOU CROSS THE BRITISH BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET ?
A JOB👮, A DRIVERS LICENSE🚗, SOCIAL SECURITY CARD🎫, WELFARE💰, FOOD STAMPS🍗, CREDIT CARDS💳, SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE🏡, FREE EDUCATION🎓, FREE HEALTH CARE💊,
A LOBBYIST IN LONDON📯, BILLIONS OF POUNDS WORTH OF PUBLIC DOCUMENTS PRINTED IN YOUR LANGUAGE📑
THE RIGHT TO CARRY YOUR COUNTRY'S FLAG 🇹🇷🇩🇿🇨🇳🇦🇪🇪🇸🇻🇪🇨🇴🇪🇨🇯🇴
WHILE YOU PROTEST THAT YOU DON'T GET ENOUGH RESPECT
AND, IN MANY INSTANCES, YOU CAN VOTE!!!
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I HAD A FIRM GRASP ON THE SITUATION !!!💭
PLEASE KEEP !!! THIS GOING......FORWARD TO ALL OF YOUR FRIENDS & FAMILY
IT'S TIME TO WAKE UP
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As the QC said That little twerp Macron doesn’t even want us in the meeting, I read the Boris letter, seems a reasonable take on the matter, what is he offended about?
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All completely true and sensible Dave, but your wasting your breath. ;)
Yes, as the politicians, especially the French / EU ones, are not listening! :(
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Narcissism is a thoroughly suffocating and unendurable torture to have foisted upon oneself .
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Does that still apply Don, if the narcissist has a complete lack of self awareness ?
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Indeed we all feel sorry for these people in our hearts that is undeniable, but on the other side of the coin somebody has written this which is also true copied from elsewhere.
LET'S SEE IF I GOT THIS RIGHT!!!
IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD LABOUR.
IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY.
IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET SHOT.
IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE JAILED.
IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM AGAIN.
IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY AND YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED.
IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO POLITICAL PRISON TO ROT.
IF YOU CROSS THE BRITISH BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET ?
A JOB👮, A DRIVERS LICENSE🚗, SOCIAL SECURITY CARD🎫, WELFARE💰, FOOD STAMPS🍗, CREDIT CARDS💳, SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE🏡, FREE EDUCATION🎓, FREE HEALTH CARE💊,
A LOBBYIST IN LONDON📯, BILLIONS OF POUNDS WORTH OF PUBLIC DOCUMENTS PRINTED IN YOUR LANGUAGE📑
THE RIGHT TO CARRY YOUR COUNTRY'S FLAG 🇹🇷🇩🇿🇨🇳🇦🇪🇪🇸🇻🇪🇨🇴🇪🇨🇯🇴
WHILE YOU PROTEST THAT YOU DON'T GET ENOUGH RESPECT
AND, IN MANY INSTANCES, YOU CAN VOTE!!!
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I HAD A FIRM GRASP ON THE SITUATION !!!💭
PLEASE KEEP !!! THIS GOING......FORWARD TO ALL OF YOUR FRIENDS & FAMILY
IT'S TIME TO WAKE UP
Yes, all above very true!
BUT, they are not democracies, and that is our problem as we are. Perhaps sometimes, like now, we wish we were not! ::) ::)
Remember those days when the East German Border Guards used to shoot people for LEAVING their country? ;)
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Narcissism is a thoroughly suffocating and unendurable torture to have foisted upon oneself .
Very good, Don. Avoid conflict by not naming the recipient of your comments. ;D
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All completely true and sensible Dave, but your wasting your breath. ;)
Yes, as the politicians, especially the French / EU ones, are not listening! :(
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Don't the politicians and world leaders read the posts on OOF :(
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All completely true and sensible Dave, but your wasting your breath. ;)
Yes, as the politicians, especially the French / EU ones, are not listening! :(
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Don't the politicians and world leaders read the posts on OOF :(
;D ;D ;D ;D Yes you lot could sort them out on here! ;D ;D ;)
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All completely true and sensible Dave, but your wasting your breath. ;)
Yes, as the politicians, especially the French / EU ones, are not listening! :(
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Don't the politicians and world leaders read the posts on OOF :(
Boris doesn't do Faceboof apparently. ;D
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Narcissism is a thoroughly suffocating and unendurable torture to have foisted upon oneself .
Very good, Don. Avoid conflict by not naming the recipient of your comments. ;D
You think I am? Well I would never have known!! ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
You all keep dishing out the insults and crap and I will, politely, send it back to you! When you start to behave like gentlemen and accept challenges to your ideas I will stop having to do what I do in my explanations ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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All very reasonable Rae.
I note, with confusion that Sippy Cup has finally realised that the Migrant Caravan from East Africa would be better to wait in Mexico as per the Trump Remain in Mexico policy. I say with confusion because he's trying to achieve this without any of Trumps' sanctions/incentives (such as NAFTA) and whilst simultaneously giving Green Cards to the illegal immigrants that they have surreptitiously spread across middle America (aka the Republican States) :-X
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As the QC said That little twerp Macron doesn’t even want us in the meeting, I read the Boris letter, seems a reasonable take on the matter, what is he offended about?
He's offended because Boris has very publicly challenged him to do something about the situation! ;D
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As the QC said That little twerp Macron doesn’t even want us in the meeting, I read the Boris letter, seems a reasonable take on the matter, what is he offended about?
He's offended because Boris has very publicly challenged him to do something about the situation! ;D
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A pretty fair comment from Boris I thought.
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Eye eye, Macron needs to lose an arm.
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That's a start.
An election would also work... ::)
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That's a start.
An election would also work... ::)
you spelled electrocution wrong :-\
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That's a start.
An election would also work... ::)
you spelled electrocution wrong :-\
Oops, my bad... :D