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[Varche]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24102054

What an engineering feat.

Does anyone have the link to the webcam still please?

[henryd]

500million quid to raise it for it to be towed away for scrap,thats a lot of money

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

What's happened to the captain?

[Entwood]

What's happened to the captain?

Awaiting trial for manslaughter among other charges

[albitz]

Heard on the news today that he claims the only reason he ended up in a lifeboat (one of the first to leave the ship iirc ?) was that he tripped and fell into it.
If that's his only defence,he should be looking at a long stretch behind bars. Probably rightly so,if press reports are in any way accurate.

[albitz]

500million quid to raise it for it to be towed away for scrap,thats a lot of money

It certainly is. I don't suppose it can stay where it is indefinitely though.

[05omegav6]

500million quid to raise it for it to be towed away for scrap,thats a lot of money

It's alot of scrap, 114,000 tonnes of it, so probably £10 million in steel, plus a shipload of copper wiring...

[05omegav6]

Heard on the news today that he claims the only reason he ended up in a lifeboat (one of the first to leave the ship iirc ?) was that he tripped and fell into it.
If that's his only defence,he should be looking at a long stretch behind bars. Probably rightly so,if press reports are in any way accurate.

The radio transcripts sealed his fate... failing to order the evacuation until an hour after the first impact, inspite knowing that the ship was taking on water did him no favours either

Should have declared an emergency as soon as propulsion failed. The reality was that one of the entertainment crew rang the police to say there was a problem. The police then rang the ship to ask wtf was going on.Captains' reply was no problem. Less than three hours later the ship was on its side...

[markspark]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24102054

What an engineering feat.

Does anyone have the link to the webcam still please?

web cam link on 4th post
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=116850.msg1478499#msg1478499

[Entwood]

Link above not working for me .. try this one ....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24104741

[mantahatch]

She is coming up slowly, and yes best video on BBC 

[Marks DTM Calib]

There actualy sinking it (all be it upright) so they cac attach further floats to the other side before floating it.

SO even more will be under water than before they started.

[mantahatch]

Perhaps I will re word what I said. "she is coming upright slowly" 

[Andy B]

There actualy sinking it (all be it upright) so they cac attach further floats to the other side before floating it.

SO even more will be under water than before they started.

kind of  ..... they're pulling over from the top, adding extra weight to the top side to help pull it down & vertical

[Andy B]

You'd have thought that they'd just need to pump the water out or pump air in to dispel the water in it they didn't want/need     

[Varche]

Here is a better web cam from RT

http://rt.com/on-air/costa-concordia-salavage-operation/

[Entwood]

Here is a better web cam from RT

http://rt.com/on-air/costa-concordia-salavage-operation/

linky no worky ..

[dad1uk]

Here is a better web cam from RT

http://rt.com/on-air/costa-concordia-salavage-operation/

linky no worky ..

Works for me Nige.....

[Lizzie_Zoom]

This is how it used to be done; very slowly, but it did famously involve 74 warships of the German High Seas Fleet scuppered in Scapa Flow.

http://www.naval-history.net/WW1z12aCox.htm

However some are still laying on the bottom 95 years later!

http://www.scapaflowwrecks.com/


 

[Marks DTM Calib]

What you all need to be aware of is that cruise ships are the cheapest of the cheap things afloat and are not even DP2 capable (consider drill ships, large cargo ships and the like are DP and DP3).

This means no A60 barriers, large cavernous spaces, single engine rooms, few bulk heads the works. They are much less 'redundant' than the likes of the Titanic......

As a result, hole the side and they sink, no stopping it. As a consequence, floating them again is equally difficult as you don't simply pump a compartment out.

Similarly, have an engine room fire and you loose all your main electric diesel sets and are left with no propulsion and only basic life support systems running off the emergency generator.

Hence what they are having to do with this one. 

[Andy B]

...
As a result, hole the side and they sink, no stopping it. As a consequence, floating them again is equally difficult as you don't simply pump a compartment out. .....

No double skins then  On a Grey Funnel Liner, you'd isolate the relevant compartment from the rest of the ship & leave them flooded till such times you could fix the hole & then pump out the ogin 

[BazaJT]

The engineering feat you refer to Lizzie regarding the raising of part of the German fleet scuttled by their crews in Scapa Flow is the subject of a fascinating book[a copy of which I own]titled The Man Who Bought A Navy by Gerald Bowman,and a thoroughly good read it is too.

[hotel21]

They do have compartments Andy but they are large ones.  Most grey funnel vessels are quite small in relative terms but are designed primarily to keep upright and afloat and fighting back whilst getting battered by the enemy.

Pazzy boats are double skinned - that's where the fuel and water tanks generally are - but when substantially holed through both skins then they turn turtle as they don have the same bulkhead construction as per Marks above. That, despite most superstructure above main deck level being aluminium.

They are oversized shoeboxes with a sharp end and a blunt end unlike the streamlined frigates, cruisers and dreadnaughts etc of your era. 

[Marks DTM Calib]

Cruise ships have a 'self sufficient' cargo where the insurance is mainly born by the cargo itself and generally is able to 'fend for itself'

[ronnyd]

No probs with RT link at my end

[Andy B]

I've  no idea how big this cruise ship is comparison to some of the cruise ships we used to see in and around Norway/Denmark, but they all seemed massive when parked up and there seemed to be huge percentage of the ship above the main deck.

[omega3000]

How do the plug the hole and keep it upright at the same time 

[Andy B]

How do they plug the hole and keep it upright at the same time 

a bloody big soft wood wedge 

[Entwood]

Here is a better web cam from RT

http://rt.com/on-air/costa-concordia-salavage-operation/

linky no worky ..

Works for me Nige.....

'tis now ... 

[PhilRich]

They do have compartments Andy but they are large ones.  Most grey funnel vessels are quite small in relative terms but are designed primarily to keep upright and afloat and fighting back whilst getting battered by the enemy.

Pazzy boats are double skinned - that's where the fuel and water tanks generally are - but when substantially holed through both skins then they turn turtle as they don have the same bulkhead construction as per Marks above. That, despite most superstructure above main deck level being aluminium.

They are oversized shoeboxes with a sharp end and a blunt end unlike the streamlined frigates, cruisers and dreadnaughts etc of your era. 

Stripe me Andy, the lubber's putting years on you matey!

[Andy B]

.....
Stripe me Andy, the lubber's putting years on you matey!

It hadn't gone un-noticed 

[hotel21]

.....
Stripe me Andy, the lubber's putting years on you matey!

It hadn't gone un-noticed 

And this 'lubber' has a red duster engineers ticket or three and has been in Neptunes court many a time.....   

Discharge book UK055484 issued Aberdeen circa 1977. Not old enough for an R prefix book though....   

[Andy B]

.....
Stripe me Andy, the lubber's putting years on you matey!

It hadn't gone un-noticed 

And this 'lubber' has a red duster engineers ticket or three and has been in Neptunes court many a time.....   

Discharge book UK055484 issued Aberdeen circa 1977. Not old enough for an R prefix book though....   

I was in the 4 th year at school in 1977 

[hotel21]

.....
Stripe me Andy, the lubber's putting years on you matey!

It hadn't gone un-noticed 

And this 'lubber' has a red duster engineers ticket or three and has been in Neptunes court many a time.....   

Discharge book UK055484 issued Aberdeen circa 1977. Not old enough for an R prefix book though....   

I was in the 4 th year at school in 1977 

And some of the kit you sailed on, just like I did, was from a previous generation or two ...

 

[Andy B]

.....
And some of the kit you sailed on, just like I did, was from a previous generation or two ...

 

Just a bit.

HMS Fearless was a few months younger than me
HMS Hermi one was 4 yrs younger
HMS Jupiter  ditto-ish

All now scrapped

Fearless 

[05omegav6]

Well, Costa Concordia is now the right way up

A little way to go before she becomes positively bouyant again though

[razzo]

should have towed it out to slightly deeper water & sunk it for wreck divers to explore 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

They do have compartments Andy but they are large ones.  Most grey funnel vessels are quite small in relative terms but are designed primarily to keep upright and afloat and fighting back whilst getting battered by the enemy.

Pazzy boats are double skinned - that's where the fuel and water tanks generally are - but when substantially holed through both skins then they turn turtle as they don have the same bulkhead construction as per Marks above. That, despite most superstructure above main deck level being aluminium.

They are oversized shoeboxes with a sharp end and a blunt end unlike the streamlined frigates, cruisers and dreadnaughts etc of your era. 

Yep, and serious concerns do exist in certain naval architect circles about the stability of the top heavy monsters

[Lizzie_Zoom]

.....
And some of the kit you sailed on, just like I did, was from a previous generation or two ...

 

Just a bit.

HMS Fearless was a few months younger than me
HMS Hermi one was 4 yrs younger
HMS Jupiter  ditto-ish

All now scrapped

Fearless 

Yes, and note how rusty the main structure of those ships had become.  Hence the need to scrap as they became time expired both physically and from a technology point of view.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

The engineering feat you refer to Lizzie regarding the raising of part of the German fleet scuttled by their crews in Scapa Flow is the subject of a fascinating book[a copy of which I own]titled The Man Who Bought A Navy by Gerald Bowman,and a thoroughly good read it is too.

Yes, and there are some wonderful pieces of film that exists of the salvage operation.

[Andy B]

....

Yes, and note how rusty the main structure of those ships had become.  Hence the need to scrap as they became time expired both physically and from a technology point of view.

It had rust holes between the engine room & boiler room 20odd yrs ago     

[Rods2]

This is how it used to be done; very slowly, but it did famously involve 74 warships of the German High Seas Fleet scuppered in Scapa Flow.

http://www.naval-history.net/WW1z12aCox.htm

However some are still laying on the bottom 95 years later!

http://www.scapaflowwrecks.com/


 

Thanks for these links Lizzie, most interesting. 

[Rods2]

Sadly I think with the large open spaces and top heavy design it is only a matter of when a major cruise ship tragedy happens. When it does, the size of the ships means the number of passengers and crew that perish will make the Titanic look smallfry. 

I'm sure that if the Costa Concordia accident had happened in deeper water the death toll would have been much higher.

When I used to use channel ferries regularly, I always told my wife if the general alarm sound, if you hear me say get on deck twice, the second ones and echo. 

[Kevin Wood]

Having slept like a baby through half of a 24 hour crossing this week, it is quite worrying to consider what would happen in a disaster.

I doubt you'd know which way's up one you get deep inside the cabins in a ferry, and that was small fry compared to a cruise ship. 

I consider myself fortunate that I'd rather stay at work than take a cruise as a holiday.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Having slept like a baby through half of a 24 hour crossing this week, it is quite worrying to consider what would happen in a disaster.

I doubt you'd know which way's up one you get deep inside the cabins in a ferry, and that was small fry compared to a cruise ship.

I consider myself fortunate that I'd rather stay at work than take a cruise as a holiday.

You obviously seen The Poseidon Adventure Kevin!