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[Andy B]

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Stripe me Andy, the lubber's putting years on you matey!

It hadn't gone un-noticed 

[hotel21]

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Stripe me Andy, the lubber's putting years on you matey!

It hadn't gone un-noticed 

And this 'lubber' has a red duster engineers ticket or three and has been in Neptunes court many a time.....   

Discharge book UK055484 issued Aberdeen circa 1977. Not old enough for an R prefix book though....   

[Andy B]

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Stripe me Andy, the lubber's putting years on you matey!

It hadn't gone un-noticed 

And this 'lubber' has a red duster engineers ticket or three and has been in Neptunes court many a time.....   

Discharge book UK055484 issued Aberdeen circa 1977. Not old enough for an R prefix book though....   

I was in the 4 th year at school in 1977 

[hotel21]

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Stripe me Andy, the lubber's putting years on you matey!

It hadn't gone un-noticed 

And this 'lubber' has a red duster engineers ticket or three and has been in Neptunes court many a time.....   

Discharge book UK055484 issued Aberdeen circa 1977. Not old enough for an R prefix book though....   

I was in the 4 th year at school in 1977 

And some of the kit you sailed on, just like I did, was from a previous generation or two ...

 

[Andy B]

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And some of the kit you sailed on, just like I did, was from a previous generation or two ...

 

Just a bit.

HMS Fearless was a few months younger than me
HMS Hermi one was 4 yrs younger
HMS Jupiter  ditto-ish

All now scrapped

Fearless 

[05omegav6]

Well, Costa Concordia is now the right way up

A little way to go before she becomes positively bouyant again though

[razzo]

should have towed it out to slightly deeper water & sunk it for wreck divers to explore 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

They do have compartments Andy but they are large ones.  Most grey funnel vessels are quite small in relative terms but are designed primarily to keep upright and afloat and fighting back whilst getting battered by the enemy.

Pazzy boats are double skinned - that's where the fuel and water tanks generally are - but when substantially holed through both skins then they turn turtle as they don have the same bulkhead construction as per Marks above. That, despite most superstructure above main deck level being aluminium.

They are oversized shoeboxes with a sharp end and a blunt end unlike the streamlined frigates, cruisers and dreadnaughts etc of your era. 

Yep, and serious concerns do exist in certain naval architect circles about the stability of the top heavy monsters

[Lizzie_Zoom]

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And some of the kit you sailed on, just like I did, was from a previous generation or two ...

 

Just a bit.

HMS Fearless was a few months younger than me
HMS Hermi one was 4 yrs younger
HMS Jupiter  ditto-ish

All now scrapped

Fearless 

Yes, and note how rusty the main structure of those ships had become.  Hence the need to scrap as they became time expired both physically and from a technology point of view.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

The engineering feat you refer to Lizzie regarding the raising of part of the German fleet scuttled by their crews in Scapa Flow is the subject of a fascinating book[a copy of which I own]titled The Man Who Bought A Navy by Gerald Bowman,and a thoroughly good read it is too.

Yes, and there are some wonderful pieces of film that exists of the salvage operation.

[Andy B]

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Yes, and note how rusty the main structure of those ships had become.  Hence the need to scrap as they became time expired both physically and from a technology point of view.

It had rust holes between the engine room & boiler room 20odd yrs ago     

[Rods2]

This is how it used to be done; very slowly, but it did famously involve 74 warships of the German High Seas Fleet scuppered in Scapa Flow.

http://www.naval-history.net/WW1z12aCox.htm

However some are still laying on the bottom 95 years later!

http://www.scapaflowwrecks.com/


 

Thanks for these links Lizzie, most interesting. 

[Rods2]

Sadly I think with the large open spaces and top heavy design it is only a matter of when a major cruise ship tragedy happens. When it does, the size of the ships means the number of passengers and crew that perish will make the Titanic look smallfry. 

I'm sure that if the Costa Concordia accident had happened in deeper water the death toll would have been much higher.

When I used to use channel ferries regularly, I always told my wife if the general alarm sound, if you hear me say get on deck twice, the second ones and echo. 

[Kevin Wood]

Having slept like a baby through half of a 24 hour crossing this week, it is quite worrying to consider what would happen in a disaster.

I doubt you'd know which way's up one you get deep inside the cabins in a ferry, and that was small fry compared to a cruise ship. 

I consider myself fortunate that I'd rather stay at work than take a cruise as a holiday.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Having slept like a baby through half of a 24 hour crossing this week, it is quite worrying to consider what would happen in a disaster.

I doubt you'd know which way's up one you get deep inside the cabins in a ferry, and that was small fry compared to a cruise ship.

I consider myself fortunate that I'd rather stay at work than take a cruise as a holiday.

You obviously seen The Poseidon Adventure Kevin!