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wishbone vertical mount types
« on: 31 December 2016, 16:23:15 »

hi. the subject of good and bad wishbones have been discussed as I see on here many many times.i have one question thou.i have changed a few of these in the past and never really noticed the type/style of rear bush. Bear with me ! . just last month after my brothers car started braking strange and pulling to the left by a set amount we traced it to the o/s arm vertical bush usual tearing of rubber.so I rang a few factors to see if anyone had an arm in stock to get it so I could fit it before Christmas. I went along to a very helpful guy in Huddersfield who had a pair of veco ones in stock. now here's where my curiosity kicks in. !    the new arms he had were both in sealed green veco bags but they were very obviously of different quality. the Lh one felt and looked like any of the non gm ones I had fitted in the past. ( sharp edges here and there,lots of very obvious spot welds and the same looking stepped rear vertical bush ) the rh arm however was quite noticeably heavier / thicker metal.seemed much better quality welds and paint.and the rear bush was welded continuously all around rather than just here and there. also the actual rear vertical bush was totally different as well.filled with rubber right up to the sleeve and and curved up to the top of mounting bolt sleeve.there was a large RH label on it too. I've since searched all available pictures of arms on google and for sale on eBay and cannot find any other arms with the same type bush for lhs.only rhs.one has just been found on eBay that looked identical but was described as ,first line,manufacture. I ordered it and it came yesterday. same nice heavy ,RH marker etc ,full bush ....?. so my question is. are these veco / first line ?? RH arms good and can you only find RH ones? ?.its the only arms I've seen with this style of vertical bush. not sure what original gm busehes look like or le former ones.
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Re: wishbone vertical mount types
« Reply #1 on: 31 December 2016, 16:28:17 »

Ask them for a matched pair.
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Re: wishbone vertical mount types
« Reply #2 on: 31 December 2016, 18:30:58 »

I would but has anyone seen a Lh arm like that . if so where did u find it ?
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Re: wishbone vertical mount types
« Reply #3 on: 31 December 2016, 18:45:26 »

First-line etc simply repackage parts from the cheapest suppliers, and buy in blocks... Those arms have come from different factories...

Personally I would take them back for a refund and buy them from ATP. Be around €80 for wishbones,droplinks and track rods delivered. ;)
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Re: wishbone vertical mount types
« Reply #4 on: 01 January 2017, 11:35:04 »

I have tried that. Its more a question of the right hand arm looking very good quality with a different looking rear bush. Where can i find a left arm to match it. I have looked at the £80 sets but none have the better / same type rear bush as my two right arms have.
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Re: wishbone vertical mount types
« Reply #5 on: 01 January 2017, 15:12:23 »

I have tried that. Its more a question of the right hand arm looking very good quality with a different looking rear bush. Where can i find a left arm to match it. I have looked at the £80 sets but none have the better / same type rear bush as my two right arms have.

Looks can be deceiving... First Line rarely good ::)
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Re: wishbone vertical mount types
« Reply #6 on: 01 January 2017, 15:53:23 »

I have tried that. Its more a question of the right hand arm looking very good quality with a different looking rear bush. Where can i find a left arm to match it. I have looked at the £80 sets but none have the better / same type rear bush as my two right arms have.

Looks can be deceiving... First Line rarely good ::)
Agreed.

I would avoid them given a choice... and why you bought two right arms is beyond me ???

That said, rather tha whining about it you have two choices...

1. Get them refunded as not fit for purpose and buy these... https://www.atp-autoteile.de/de/product/65488-querlenker-komplett-set-lenkungssatz-va/

2. Use a bit of imagination and drill the balljoint rivets on one arm and fit a lft hand balljoint if sided or simply turn it over.

Nothing more to add.
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Re: wishbone vertical mount types
« Reply #7 on: 01 January 2017, 19:30:23 »

please don't misunderstand me but I'm not whining ! .what I'm asking is ...has anyone ever seen a Lh arm with a full ( for want of a better description) rear vertical bush. this arm needed changing quickly as its his only and daily driver .the veco RH arm was fitted and is performing perfectly. would have liked to find a matching arm to this one to fit as a matching set. he has a receipt from only a few years ago and 12000 miles for a pair of gm arms fitted and these are the ones that the RH bush has split on. happened day after had new tyres fitted and suspension had been left hanging at max .will see how the veco arm lasts ! !
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Re: wishbone vertical mount types
« Reply #8 on: 01 January 2017, 19:35:08 »

I bought two RH arms because they "appear to be well made" and would be happy to find Lh arms to match .
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Re: wishbone vertical mount types
« Reply #9 on: 01 January 2017, 22:05:26 »

I bought two RH arms because they "appear to be well made" and would be happy to find Lh arms to match .
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Re: wishbone vertical mount types
« Reply #10 on: 01 January 2017, 22:09:53 »

Time for a picture of a full vertical bush as it's an incomprehensible description. Then we might be able to come up with a mutually acceptable answer. Even the cheap bushes that I've seen are, externally at least, identical to GM ones.
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Re: wishbone vertical mount types
« Reply #11 on: 02 January 2017, 09:18:47 »

I bought two RH arms because they "appear to be well made" and would be happy to find Lh arms to match .
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The arms only become handed,when the ball joint is attached.
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Re: wishbone vertical mount types
« Reply #12 on: 02 January 2017, 10:00:59 »

IIRC...haven't we been warned off Firstline, due to quality issues ???
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Re: wishbone vertical mount types
« Reply #13 on: 02 January 2017, 12:47:00 »

hi. been searching through google images left right and centre to find some bushes that look similar .nearest I can find is from google images type in.     heavy duty control arm bushing kit           the pictures come up with something similar to them. appearance wise I mean.
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Re: wishbone vertical mount types
« Reply #14 on: 02 January 2017, 12:56:14 »

 they also look like the meyle heavy duty wishbone bush for vw golf on eBay. not the same dimensions maybe but that style ? ?
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