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Omega General Help / Re: Steering box leak
« on: 23 May 2024, 21:59:39 »
There are at least 8 RHD part numbers. Can't narrow it down without a lot more info, so you really need to get a part number of the current unit.

Does your car have servotronic variable assistance power steering? If it does, there will be an electrical connection on the side and a square box solenoid - like this...
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/326034740558

If it does not, then there isn't an electrical connection, and no square box, like this...
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/363649425920


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Omega General Help / Re: Ticking sound
« on: 22 May 2024, 23:41:45 »
This was what happened to my engine when the strainer got blocked : https://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=122287.0

Some mucky pictures for you to compare. If there are chips of white metal in the sump when you drop it, then you're probably going to have to do a full bottom end rebuild.

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Omega General Help / Re: Steering box leak
« on: 22 May 2024, 13:49:16 »
I've just re-built the steering box on the LC. In order to practice first, I bought an Omega steering box from eBay and stripped it down. Think it was about £30, and it came with the steering arm and centre link still attached. I was hoping that some of the parts, perhaps even the complete steering box would fit the LC, but unfortunatley everything is just a little bit different.

Assuming it's not just the PAS fluid input/output pipe junctions that need tightening up, to leak to the outside world there are only really a few places it can do so.

1) Bottom of the steering box - where the steering arm is. There is a lip seal on the output shaft here.
2) Top of the steering box, under the alloy plate with 4 bolts and the tension adjuster. There is an O ring under here.
3) Junction of the PAS pressure box and the main body - another O ring here.
4) Under the PAS pressure modulator Servotronic solenoid. Couple of small O rings here.
5) Steering column input shaft. Lip seal here.

You can probably replace any/all the the O rings in 1 and 4 without a complete strip down - perhaps even with it still in the car. However the two lip seals will need pressing out, and to get that far you really might as well replace everything

So it all depends exactly where it is leaking from. A complete seal kit is available (from Bulgaria!) on eBay for about £70. That doesn't include the 3 bearings - two of which will need to remove - they will be another £100 or so. 

In short - I'd probably throw another second hand PAS box at it. Will be cheaper and less agro. Try to get one from exactly the same spec Omega - there are lots of subtle changes, and even different length of steering arm. You can swap the arms from one box to another, but they're on effing tight and you will need a decent puller, and probably some heat to persuade it to come off.

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General Discussion Area / Re: What has P*ssed you off today?
« on: 19 May 2024, 13:28:32 »
Flourescent inspection lamps that refuse to shine light on what you're working on, and instead just want to shine in your eyes effectively blinding you.

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Hmmm - LA is VX90295666, and it's listed in my 2000 EPC as being for Senators with engines 25NE, 30NE, C30LE, C30NE, C30SE WITHOUT self levelling.

It's also listed as OmegaB Saloon (except Police and Armoured Body) WITH self levelling, from chassis number W1081185 onwards. However my EPC is from year 2000, so doesn't cover much on facelift Omega B's or 3.2's.

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General Discussion Area / Re: What has P*ssed you off today?
« on: 26 April 2024, 21:48:51 »
There was a time that the fastest thing on 4 wheels you could buy was a Transit van. Now - the front of every queue round here is some twonk driving one at 45 in a NSL limit.

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General Discussion Area / Re: What has P*ssed you off today?
« on: 25 April 2024, 09:34:25 »
Had to login to OOF this morning to see what people were whinging about today. Guess some cookie or other had become stale.

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General Discussion Area / Re: Gas & Leccy Bills
« on: 11 April 2024, 09:57:32 »
I'm with Octopus - my rates up till 31st March were :

Electric:
Unit Rate : 22.42p/kWh
Standing Charge : 45.67p/day (£166.70/year)

Gas:
Unit Rate : 7.16p/kWh
Standing Charge : 26.16p/day (£95.48/year)

Charges exclude VAT, so you've got to add on an extra 5% to get the true cost. Last month was £143, and I was away for one week. No idea what next months rates will be - tiz what it tiz.

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General Discussion Area / Re: Chemist prescription deliveries
« on: 10 April 2024, 18:16:05 »
What I don't get is...The pharmacists' job appears to be counting. Not sure when it became a requirement to have a university degree to count up to 14 (or multiples thereof)


So it takes at least 2 people 15 minutes to move a pre-sealed box of pills about 3 feet from the shelf where they were stacked to the "customer". You get home, take that day's pills and wash them down with a nice single malt.

The pharmacist's job is checking, not counting. They're checking that the prescription is safe both singly and in combination with other medications, correctly prescribed(the right dose, chemical, amount etc), labelled and given to the correct person before putting their name and reputation on it. It's not unusual for a pharmacist phone the prescribing doctor and read them the riot act about dangerous prescriptions as they have far more understanding of how the drugs actually work, and don't just look up the symptoms and likely drug in  a list.


What you're implying is the equivalent of Boeing relying on the new, barely trained, over-worked employee being able to fit a door panel without supervision and inspection. Or some fool designing his own deep water submersible.

I disagree. 99.999% of prescriptions are pills in pre-packed blisters. Opening the packet tells you nothing. If the pills in the blister is the wrong drug, or the wrong strength they won't know. They don't grind one up to measure it's strength and there is no visual difference between a 2mg, 5mg, 10mg, 20mg pill. Even if there were you can't see through the foil covering the pill in the blister.

At best they are counting the number of pills, and checking that the drug name and strength printed on the blister foil is the same as on the cardboard box. If there is no other pill on the prescription they can't tell if it contradicts other medication. I'm on Esomeprosol, and I soon learnt not to ask for Ibruprofen at the same time coz you get the riot act read to you. Just buy the Ibruprofen later.

In the old days when pills came in a large 'sweetie' jar and they had to count them out into a bottle using that triangular measuring thingy then yes perhaps Pharmacists had a role. Nowadays, nope - simply more NHS inefficiency. Most pills could be dispensed by a vending machine in one tenth the time and a fraction of the cost - especially repeat prescriptions.

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General Discussion Area / Re: Chemist prescription deliveries
« on: 10 April 2024, 14:17:50 »
What I don't get is...The pharmacists' job appears to be counting. Not sure when it became a requirement to have a university degree to count up to 14 (or multiples thereof)

You get your prescription, walk into the chemist, hand it over. You can see your box of pills on the shelf behind them, but will they just hand the box over. Will they hell. A "Minion" has to take the box to "the Pharmacist", who then takes the box, opens it up, counts all the pills, seals it up again, gives it back to the Minion, who puts it in a paper bag with a repeat prescription chit. The ordeal still isn't over - the minion shouts out your name, asks for address, asks do you pay (well someone has to!) then reads you the riot act about not taking certain pills with certain others etc.

So it takes at least 2 people 15 minutes to move a pre-sealed box of pills about 3 feet from the shelf where they were stacked to the "customer". You get home, take that day's pills and wash them down with a nice single malt.



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General Car Chat / Re: So what have you done to your car today?
« on: 03 April 2024, 22:36:50 »
Changed the battery in the Merc. Stop/Start hasn't worked for months (good!) but it started throwing ABS, TPMS and ESC fault codes last week. Stop/Start now works (Booooo!) and no more trouble codes (yet).

But  - What a PITA getting the battery retaining bold in. Couldn't have designed it any worse if they had tried. In the end gave up with the original Merc bolt and put a longer VX bolt in. Then shut the bonnet on the old bolt, and broke one of the bonnet spring things :(. New one ordered off eBay.

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Omega General Help / Re: Head gasket?
« on: 28 February 2024, 20:46:07 »
You can buy head gasket test kits from eBay for not very much...
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/284004648824

They're easy to use, and will detect any combustion gasses that end up in the water. The coloured dye starts off blue, and will turn yellow if there are combustion gasses present, like this...

https://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=148724.msg1988834#msg1988834

If the dye goes yellow, then you can be pretty certain you've got a head gasket problem.

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General Discussion Area / Re: New car technology .
« on: 02 February 2024, 09:59:15 »

If you google "Mercedes eco-start-stop-technology-guide-pdf", and click on the link to the glaowners.com, you'll get a pdf describing the system. There is a whole load of guff in there, and I checked it all on my car. The only thing that is out of limits is the battery voltage drop.

What I'm unsure about is if it's the drop on the small auxillary battery, or the main 'big' battery. But I can see on the iCarsoft that the 'battery' voltage dips to between 10 and 11V on my car (from > 12.5V) , and that's enough to disable stop start.

That's not what the document says at all.

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If the voltage dip (U < 11V) at engine start is to great, the engine stop is deactivated for t = 1 minute in order to recharge the Eco start/stop function battery

Its not actually defining what it considers to great and it also is only delaying activation of the stop start for 1 minute. The rest of the doc is referring to 'available electrical power' which is the SoC.

Also, be absolutely assured that your scan tool will not be able to report the mS long volt drop at cranking as its just reading messages at random intevals, you need an oscilloscope on the starter terminal to do that. The volt drop will be down to 9V or less on a cold engine crank (remember, this is my day job on the design side  :y)

The scan tool does show the drop - it plots a nice little graph. AIUI the SAM measures the voltages and stores them in a ring buffer at a high-ish speed. True the scan tool only 'samples' the data at a slow rate (<5 per second), but the SAM reports the minimums/maximums observed in that interval. So you can see the dips and peaks in the voltages.

You can't directly measure SoC either. All you can measure is current draw and terminal voltage - and the Merc system does both. From those two values you can estimate SoC (by integrating the charge/discharge rates) - but these are derived, not measured values.

What I *Think* happens is that during cranking, the car uses the main battery for the starter motor, and a few critical other systems. However, non critical systems are switched over to the Aux Battery during cranking, and it's this battery that is showing the voltage drop. If it drops to < 11 V then Start/Stop is disabled (t = 1 minute in order to recharge the Eco start/stop function battery).  However, if the battery does not recharge to > 13V in that 1 minute period, then...

Quote from: Mercedes
If the open circuit voltage (U > 12.5V) of the ECO start/stop function additional battery is too low, the alternator's output limitation (alternator management) (except model 212.095) is deactivated so that the ECO start/stop function additional battery can be charged.

If the voltage dip (U < 11V) at engine start is too great, the engine stop function is deactivated for t = 1 minute in order to recharge the ECO start/stop function additional battery.

The ECO start/stop function additional battery is only connected if the output limitation of the alternator is not active and the on-board electrical system voltage is high enough (U > 13V). It is disconnected again if the limitation of the alternator is active or if the on-board electrical system is severely overloaded.

So if the Aux battery dips < 11V and then doesn't charge to > 13V, stop/start is disabled. It doesn't say it explicitly, but experiments seem to show that the Aux battery needs to charge to > 13V within 1 minuite, or Stop/Start is disabled for the entirity of that engine start.

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General Discussion Area / Re: New car technology .
« on: 01 February 2024, 18:54:16 »

They do!

The Merc system monitors the battery voltage drop during cranking. If the voltage drops below (IIRC) 11.5V then it disables Stop/Start. It'll still start all the way down to less than 9V.

It's not really the state of charge that matters, but the batteries internal resistance. The resistance increases as the battery ages, so it can be fully charged (>13.7V) but still drop enough during cranking to disable the Stop Start.

Mine's been like it for over a year. Behaviour confirmed by iCarsoft scanner. New AGM Stop/Start battery would no doubt cure it, but why on earth would I want to do that! £300 to re-enable something I don't want.

If they do then they are fools! (I am confident they don't as we use the same setup!), they wouldn't meet ISO 16750-2 under those conditions

Monitoring the terminal volts under load tells you little about the battery condition as there are to many variables, temperature being the very significant one, as the chemical reaction in the battery is much poorer at low temperatures and so the VBatt drops much lower. There are also variables with connector/cable ageing, engine types and a whole host of other things.

The SoC is the critical measure for start stop, as it is the only means to tell if you have the reserve to complete repeat re-starts, its also the only viable means to determine battery health by checking the batteries ability to absorb energy  :y

If you google "Mercedes eco-start-stop-technology-guide-pdf", and click on the link to the glaowners.com, you'll get a pdf describing the system. There is a whole load of guff in there, and I checked it all on my car. The only thing that is out of limits is the battery voltage drop.

What I'm unsure about is if it's the drop on the small auxillary battery, or the main 'big' battery. But I can see on the iCarsoft that the 'battery' voltage dips to between 10 and 11V on my car (from > 12.5V) , and that's enough to disable stop start.


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General Discussion Area / Re: New car technology .
« on: 01 February 2024, 14:28:43 »
....
Coded the stupid start stop malarky off mine, Only kicks in if I have it in Eco Plus mode..... Which I never do!

My ML's stop/start has stopped working all by itself  :y I suspect the main battery is a little low, though it never hesitates to start up.

Keep an eye on it, the stop start systems do not look at the cranking ability, only the state of charge, if its stopped working then the battery is probably not recovering to more than 85% SoC which is plenty to crank but, shows the battery is deteriorating and they have a habit of dropping off a cliff after this point.  :y

They do!

The Merc system monitors the battery voltage drop during cranking. If the voltage drops below (IIRC) 11.5V then it disables Stop/Start. It'll still start all the way down to less than 9V.

It's not really the state of charge that matters, but the batteries internal resistance. The resistance increases as the battery ages, so it can be fully charged (>13.7V) but still drop enough during cranking to disable the Stop Start.

Mine's been like it for over a year. Behaviour confirmed by iCarsoft scanner. New AGM Stop/Start battery would no doubt cure it, but why on earth would I want to do that! £300 to re-enable something I don't want.

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