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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 14 February 2020, 09:16:00
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No idea why Photobucket is daubed all over the pictures. :( :(
Nice enough car in a sterile unemotional sort of way. Quite quick initially but breathless above 70 MPH.
The ideal car for people who have no interest in cars other than getting from A to B.
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Is it quiet?
Breathless over 70 ? Not a problem unless you have a private test track.! The motoring press world will have to come up with new phrases. E.g. weak current flow rather than breathless referring to carburation. Maybe electro heads will have words like linear, compound, direct, stepper, brushless peppered in reviews
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Is it quiet?
Breathless over 70 ? Not a problem unless you have a private test track.! The motoring press world will have to come up with new phrases. E.g. weak current flow rather than breathless referring to carburation. Maybe electro heads will have words like linear, compound, direct, stepper, brushless peppered in reviews
Yes and no.
Because there is no engine noise you become more aware of tyre, wind, and road noise.
Overall not as quiet as I expected. Squeaks and rattles are more obvious too.
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Photo No.7, looks like you've shut a tree in the drivers door. Very good optical delusion or trick photography on that one. :) :y
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It's a tree hugger! :D
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I rather like them (then again I suppose I would ;D). For me they would lose out to a Tesla purely because of the Tesla's dedicated and fast charging infrastructure.
That said the look and feel of the Jag is streets ahead of anything Elon has managed.
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Overall not as quiet as I expected. Squeaks and rattles are more obvious too.
Am I on my own in thinking that a £65k+ car that's less than 6m old shouldn't HAVE any squeaks or rattles?! My milk float cost less than half that and I'd still be displeased if it started making unwanted noises.at only about a year old. ::)
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Am I on my own in thinking that a £65k+ car that's less than 6m old shouldn't HAVE any squeaks or rattles?! My milk float cost less than half that and I'd still be displeased if it started making unwanted noises.at only about a year old. ::)
All part of the JLR ownership experience!
Well.. sure as heck is once they're 20 years old, anyway ;D
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Sooner have the Signum.
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Overall not as quiet as I expected. Squeaks and rattles are more obvious too.
Am I on my own in thinking that a £65k+ car that's less than 6m old shouldn't HAVE any squeaks or rattles?! My milk float cost less than half that and I'd still be displeased if it started making unwanted noises.at only about a year old. ::)
MY XFR had a sunroof rattle that used to drive me crazy. Finally solved it by closing the roof fully and then just open it the smallest amount. Since then no rattles in the car which seems to use better materials, be be better screwed together than the £78000 I-Pace. Far faster too.......although similar to 60 MPH.
Techy stuff is from the time of the dinosaurs when compared to the electric jobby. This is fine by me because I am a neanderthal at heart.
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Taxi white and wedding car white just doesn't do it for me. Is white even a colour?
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Is it quiet?
Breathless over 70 ? Not a problem unless you have a private test track.! The motoring press world will have to come up with new phrases. E.g. weak current flow rather than breathless referring to carburation. Maybe electro heads will have words like linear, compound, direct, stepper, brushless peppered in reviews
I thought we were talking about miles per hour, not parsecs per nanosecond. ;)
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Shouldn't the reg be USB?
There are plenty of far more interesting ways to get around, especially at the sort of money they cost...
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Shouldn't the reg be USB?
There are plenty of far more interesting ways to get around, especially at the sort of money they cost...
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Definitely couldn't agree more, looks a totally non descript vehicle & the colour doesn't do it any favours.
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A big 4x4 is on my future list, but it won't be a JLR product. Might even be left hand drive ::)
In the meantime, I have no immediate intention of buying another car produced in this century, with the likely exception of said 4x4...
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I wouldn't want or buy one, but it was good to experience these new cars that run on 'elastictrickery'
No more than an expensive household appliance really.
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A big 4x4 is on my future list, .....
Like my brown red ML? ::) ::) ;D ;D
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A big 4x4 is on my future list, .....
Like my brown red ML? ::) ::) ;D ;D
Nah....That's just a van with windows. ::) ::) ;)
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A big 4x4 is on my future list, .....
Like my brown red ML? ::) ::) ;D ;D
I was thinking GL... Proper van with windows rather than the dinky hatchback you have :P or an imported GM product. Thinking a couple of years ahead, so a facelifted 2011 ish GL450/500 should be sensible money by then... especially as it will be bought with cash.
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WTF... The Lord has gone green n Softy, or he's had the engine nicked. ;D
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WTF... The Lord http://images.omegaowners.com/forum/smf2000/Smileys/oofstd/embarrassed.gifhas gone green n Softy, or he's had the engine nicked. ;D
Not my type of car but it was free BG.
Posh coffee, fancy pastries, they even let me have a go on the receptionists tits. That is what I call customer service. :y :D
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WTF... The Lord http://images.omegaowners.com/forum/smf2000/Smileys/oofstd/embarrassed.gifhas (http://images.omegaowners.com/forum/smf2000/Smileys/oofstd/embarrassed.gifhas) gone green n Softy, or he's had the engine nicked. ;D
Not my type of car but it was free BG.
Posh coffee, fancy pastries, they even let me have a go on the receptionists tits. That is what I call desperation for customers :y :D
Still, at least they looked after you... :D
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A big 4x4 is on my future list, .....
Like my brown red ML? ::) ::) ;D ;D
I was thinking GL... Proper van with windows rather than the dinky hatchback you have :P or an imported GM product. Thinking a couple of years ahead, so a facelifted 2011 ish GL450/500 should be sensible money by then... especially as it will be bought with cash.
:y :y
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No idea why Photobucket is daubed all over the pictures. :( :(
Nice enough car in a sterile unemotional sort of way. Quite quick initially but breathless above 70 MPH.
The ideal car for people who have no interest in cars other than getting from A to B.
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/q668/Jan_Bowles/0/WP_20200212_15_30_17_Pro.jpg)
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/q668/Jan_Bowles/0/WP_20200212_15_30_06_Pro.jpg)
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In the first picture, is Mrs Opti the photographer? ??? Or is that you wearing a dress? :-\ ::)
Should we start calling you Lady Trans-Opti? :)
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WTF... The Lord http://images.omegaowners.com/forum/smf2000/Smileys/oofstd/embarrassed.gifhas gone green n Softy, or he's had the engine nicked. ;D
Not my type of car but it was free BG.
Posh coffee, fancy pastries, they even let me have a go on the receptionists tits. That is what I call customer service. :y :D
With customer service like that couldn't say no really,. Worth buying a jaaaag just for the extras,, photo of the extras next time ;)
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In the first picture, is Mrs Opti the photographer? ??? Or is that you wearing a dress? :-\ ::)
Should we start calling you Lady Trans-Opti? :)
In 2020 a fetching frock and a 5 o'clock shadow are perfectly acceptable. :)
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In the first picture, is Mrs Opti the photographer? ??? Or is that you wearing a dress? :-\ ::)
Should we start calling you Lady Trans-Opti? :)
In 2020 a fetching frock and a 5 o'clock shadow are perfectly acceptable. :)
Yes and note I used the friendly smiley smiley, not the laughing smiley. I don't want to get a knock on the door! :-X ::) ;)
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In the first picture, is Mrs Opti the photographer? ??? Or is that you wearing a dress? :-\ ::)
Should we start calling you Lady Trans-Opti? :)
In 2020 a fetching frock and a 5 o'clock shadow are perfectly acceptable. :)
Yes and note I used the friendly smiley smiley, not the laughing smiley. I don't want to get a knock on the door! :-X ::) ;)
I'm sure sure of the 'Marina conquests' were shaving twice a day, but you were too pissed on Darzett scrumpy to notice, or care. :)
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not a bad video review of the i-Pace here .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=15&v=CEyfCcAbtKU&feature=emb_logo
he wasn't impressed with trying to charge it though
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In the first picture, is Mrs Opti the photographer? ??? Or is that you wearing a dress? :-\ ::)
Should we start calling you Lady Trans-Opti? :)
In 2020 a fetching frock and a 5 o'clock shadow are perfectly acceptable. :)
Yes and note I used the friendly smiley smiley, not the laughing smiley. I don't want to get a knock on the door! :-X ::) ;)
I'm sure sure of the 'Marina conquests' were shaving twice a day, but you were too pissed on Darzett scrumpy to notice, or care. :)
Just seen this.... ::)
I'm from a much younger generation than you M'Lud and we didn't drink and drive like your generation did. :)
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Just seen this.... ::)
I'm from a much younger generation than you M'Lud and we didn't drink and drive like your generation did. :)
You used to get behind the wheel of a Marina sober! :o
You're braver than I imagined. ;D
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not a bad video review of the i-Pace here .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=15&v=CEyfCcAbtKU&feature=emb_logo
he wasn't impressed with trying to charge it though
That's not so much a review of the iPace as a review about living with an EV. Thought I'd skip through it, but ended up watching the whole half hour. Very interesting, and proof, if proof were needed, that the charging infrastructure is well short of people's expectations.
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not a bad video review of the i-Pace here .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=15&v=CEyfCcAbtKU&feature=emb_logo
he wasn't impressed with trying to charge it though
That's not so much a review of the iPace as a review about living with an EV. Thought I'd skip through it, but ended up watching the whole half hour. Very interesting, and proof, if proof were needed, that the charging infrastructure is well short of people's expectations.
On a busy day you may need to queue for 5 or 10 minutes to fill with petrol. You may need to wait an hour or more for a vacant charger as more 'leccy' cars arrive.
Best bring your gun. :)
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not a bad video review of the i-Pace here .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=15&v=CEyfCcAbtKU&feature=emb_logo
he wasn't impressed with trying to charge it though
That's not so much a review of the iPace as a review about living with an EV. Thought I'd skip through it, but ended up watching the whole half hour. Very interesting, and proof, if proof were needed, that the charging infrastructure is well short of people's expectations.
On a busy day you may need to queue for 5 or 10 minutes to fill with petrol. You may need to wait an hour or more for a vacant charger as more 'leccy' cars arrive.
Best bring your gun. :)
I never have to queue for diesel, Asda has 12 pumps and I usually just drive straight up to one. The petrol stations in the vicinity of Asda are usually very quiet, seeing as the thieving bastards want up to 10p more per litre.
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I never have to queue for diesel, Asda has 12 pumps and I usually just drive straight up to one. The petrol stations in the vicinity of Asda are usually very quiet, seeing as the thieving bastards want up to 10p more per litre.
There's often a five minute queue at my cheapest local; they've got 16 pumps of which two have been out of order for three months, and one more has been out of order for a couple of weeks ;D
The nearest Tesco is bigger, but there's sometimes a 15 minute queue..
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I never have to queue for diesel, Asda has 12 pumps and I usually just drive straight up to one. The petrol stations in the vicinity of Asda are usually very quiet, seeing as the thieving bastards want up to 10p more per litre.
There's often a five minute queue at my cheapest local; they've got 16 pumps of which two have been out of order for three months, and one more has been out of order for a couple of weeks ;D
The nearest Tesco is bigger, but there's sometimes a 15 minute queue..
We're not as effluent up here ;D
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We're not as effluent up here ;D
Bet you aren't as rich, either.. oh, wait..
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There will be tears before bedtime if the wait to put 'elastictrickery' in the milk float is more than a few minutes.
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not a bad video review of the i-Pace here .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=15&v=CEyfCcAbtKU&feature=emb_logo
he wasn't impressed with trying to charge it though
That's not so much a review of the iPace as a review about living with an EV. Thought I'd skip through it, but ended up watching the whole half hour. Very interesting, and proof, if proof were needed, that the charging infrastructure is well short of people's expectations.
True. :y
But at £85k I won't be buying an i-Pace anyway
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We're not as effluent up here ;D
Bet you aren't as rich, either.. oh, wait..
No....that's affluent. I was right first time. ;D
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not a bad video review of the i-Pace here .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=15&v=CEyfCcAbtKU&feature=emb_logo
he wasn't impressed with trying to charge it though
That's not so much a review of the iPace as a review about living with an EV. Thought I'd skip through it, but ended up watching the whole half hour. Very interesting, and proof, if proof were needed, that the charging infrastructure is well short of people's expectations.
True. :y
But at £85k I won't be buying an i-Pace anyway
It was OK. Nippy and quiet. I wouldn't be tempted by one either. Essentially a posh van with windows albeit one finished in Taxi white rather than BL brown. :)
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I really like them, good handling, not crashy, quiet, comfortable, very fast.
The issue I have (and true of any of the electric cars) is that they are a pain in the arse to keep charged up when doing a 150 mile round trip commute
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Daughter loves her Tesla X, which seems quite quick. Doesn’t feel like a luxury car inside though.
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Daughter loves her Tesla X, which seems quite quick. Doesn’t feel like a luxury car inside though.
That's is THE down side of a Tesla, they are not a well built and refined car at all :y
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Daughter loves her Tesla X, which seems quite quick. Doesn’t feel like a luxury car inside though.
That's is THE down side of a Tesla, they are not a well built and refined car at all :y
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A chap down the road from me swopped his Maserati for a Tesla, must be stark raving bonkers, the Tesla looks cheap & nasty especially the front end.
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Daughter loves her Tesla X, which seems quite quick. Doesn’t feel like a luxury car inside though.
That's is THE down side of a Tesla, they are not a well built and refined car at all :y
Built predominantly for the American market, and it shows.
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not a bad video review of the i-Pace here .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=15&v=CEyfCcAbtKU&feature=emb_logo
he wasn't impressed with trying to charge it though
That's not so much a review of the iPace as a review about living with an EV. Thought I'd skip through it, but ended up watching the whole half hour. Very interesting, and proof, if proof were needed, that the charging infrastructure is well short of people's expectations.
On a busy day you may need to queue for 5 or 10 minutes to fill with petrol. You may need to wait an hour or more for a vacant charger as more 'leccy' cars arrive.
Best bring your gun. :)
I never have to queue for diesel, Asda has 12 pumps and I usually just drive straight up to one. The petrol stations in the vicinity of Asda are usually very quiet, seeing as the thieving bastards want up to 10p more per litre.
The choice here is a 10-25 minute delay (worse when Tesco have a 5p/l off voucher scheme running), or £1.50 a litre with minimal queuing for fuel, but a 10-15m delay to pay, and an argument about drinking hot coffee at 90mph with a arrogant Scottish idiot who needs lumping.
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Daughter loves her Tesla X, which seems quite quick. Doesn’t feel like a luxury car inside though.
That's is THE down side of a Tesla, they are not a well built and refined car at all :y
Yep....they do give the impression of being 'slung together' like something from BL in the seventies.
Having said that the Model 3 performance is appealing for the price.
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Daughter loves her Tesla X, which seems quite quick. Doesn’t feel like a luxury car inside though.
That's is THE down side of a Tesla, they are not a well built and refined car at all :y
Yep....they do give the impression of being 'slung together' like something from BL in the seventies.
Having said that the Model 3 performance is appealing for the price.
And much better screwed together than its big sisters. For me, if you actually want to drive and own an ev, rather than pontificate about them as the journos love to do, Tesla wins hands down.
The simple reason is infrastructure. The way they are setup now, even their basic model will do you for 350-400 miles with a single 20-30 min stop enroute, which is workable for 90% plus of people who are in that market.
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The simple reason is infrastructure. The way they are setup now, even their basic model will do you for 350-400 miles with a single 20-30 min stop enroute, which is workable for 90% plus of people who are in that market.
Jaime will be along in a minute to tell you how that's all bollards and they only manage 50 miles on a charge in reality..
... Just saving him a job this morning ;D :D
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The simple reason is infrastructure. The way they are setup now, even their basic model will do you for 350-400 miles with a single 20-30 min stop enroute, which is workable for 90% plus of people who are in that market.
Jaime will be along in a minute to tell you how that's all bollards and they only manage 50 miles on a charge in reality..
... Just saving him a job this morning ;D :D
When I gave the I-Pace a bit of welly I noticed the remaining range dropped alarmingly.
Bearing in mind TB drives with his right foot welded to the floor 50 miles may be a tad optimistic. :)
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......not to mention his weight. :)
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Just stick to diesel......you know it makes sense.
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Just stick to diesel......you know it makes sense.
Yes......you are starting to win me over. :)
Thank you for showing me the error of my ways.
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Just stick to diesel......you know it makes sense.
Yes......you are starting to win me over. :)
Thank you for showing me the error of my ways.
Are you, by any chance, taking the piss? ;D
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The simple reason is infrastructure. The way they are setup now, even their basic model will do you for 350-400 miles with a single 20-30 min stop enroute, which is workable for 90% plus of people who are in that market.
Jaime will be along in a minute to tell you how that's all bollards and they only manage 50 miles on a charge in reality..
... Just saving him a job this morning ;D :D
When I gave the I-Pace a bit of welly I noticed the remaining range dropped alarmingly.
Bearing in mind TB drives with his right foot welded to the floor 50 miles may be a tad optimistic. :)
I was getting a comfortable 210 miles out of a charge on my commute and it was sub zero temperatures so lower capacity and a lower state of charge to begin with.
The newer software ups this a bit to
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The simple reason is infrastructure. The way they are setup now, even their basic model will do you for 350-400 miles with a single 20-30 min stop enroute, which is workable for 90% plus of people who are in that market.
Jaime will be along in a minute to tell you how that's all bollards and they only manage 50 miles on a charge in reality..
... Just saving him a job this morning ;D :D
When I gave the I-Pace a bit of welly I noticed the remaining range dropped alarmingly.
Bearing in mind TB drives with his right foot welded to the floor 50 miles may be a tad optimistic. :)
I was getting a comfortable 210 miles out of a charge on my commute and it was sub zero temperatures so lower capacity and a lower state of charge to begin with.
The newer software ups this a bit to
Yeah.....but with TB. :( ::) ::) ::) ::) ;)
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Just stick to diesel......you know it makes sense.
Yes......you are starting to win me over. :)
Thank you for showing me the error of my ways.
Are you, by any chance, taking the piss? ;D
May I give you my word as a gentleman, I would never dream of doing such a thing. :)
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The newer software ups this a bit to
This is interesting, have JLR said whether this is releasing more usable battery capacity, or is it to do with more efficient energy usage in the motor/inverter?
Also, is the update being pushed out to all i-pace, or is it going forward from a specific build number?
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The newer software ups this a bit to
This is interesting, have JLR said whether this is releasing more usable battery capacity, or is it to do with more efficient energy usage in the motor/inverter?
Also, is the update being pushed out to all i-pace, or is it going forward from a specific build number?
Its both, releasing more battery capacity and also changing the motor/inverter operation, its a complete package, being rolled out to all I believe
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There's a review in today's Telegraph about the I-pace and they say the software upgrade was a recall.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/jaguar/jaguar-i-pace-long-term-test-fully-electric-car-year-winner/
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The simple reason is infrastructure. The way they are setup now, even their basic model will do you for 350-400 miles with a single 20-30 min stop enroute, which is workable for 90% plus of people who are in that market.
Jaime will be along in a minute to tell you how that's all bollards and they only manage 50 miles on a charge in reality..
... Just saving him a job this morning ;D :D
2 of our ex contractors had Model X (I think, the older saloon), and were getting around 120m range, well short of the suggested 280. However, working in Milton Keynes does mean a lot of slowing down for roundabouts for part of their commute.
The both got shot after less than a year, one of them was a bit cross that his car was off the road for ages, because the dealer couldn't get parts.
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Until teleportation becomes reality I prefer to stick with Gods own fuel. Petrol. :)
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Its both, releasing more battery capacity and also changing the motor/inverter operation, its a complete package, being rolled out to all I believe
Nice!
I went and had a look at one/sit in today. They are a nice place to be, much more so than the teslas, but the public infrastructure makes them a tough choice, at least for the next 3-5yrs.
Jaguar dealers/reps (well the 3 I've had experience of) annoy the balls off me too. But that's another story :-X
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Its both, releasing more battery capacity and also changing the motor/inverter operation, its a complete package, being rolled out to all I believe
Nice!
I went and had a look at one/sit in today. They are a nice place to be, much more so than the teslas, but the public infrastructure makes them a tough choice, at least for the next 3-5yrs.
Jaguar dealers/reps (well the 3 I've had experience of) annoy the balls off me too. But that's another story :-X
Blag a test drive if it's your bag :).
I found it a car without soul. Nippy at slow speeds but slow to accelerate at higher speeds. So-so interior quality. The one I drove had what appeared to be 'optional sports bucket seats'........which didn't really fit with the character of the car.
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Jaguar dealers/reps (well the 3 I've had experience of) annoy the balls off me too. But that's another story :-X
The common feeling on the JLR forums I'm on is "Don't buy one if you're going to have to rely on the main dealer, only if you have a good indy" (that's RRS, including current models) because the dealers are all out to skin you alive on very expensive repairs..
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Jaguar dealers/reps (well the 3 I've had experience of) annoy the balls off me too. But that's another story :-X
The common feeling on the JLR forums I'm on is "Don't buy one if you're going to have to rely on the main dealer, only if you have a good indy" (that's RRS, including current models) because the dealers are all out to skin you alive on very expensive repairs..
All franchised dealers are the same. After all, they are all part of the big 3, with very few now that are smaller companies with just a handful of dealers.
However, it would appear, going by the Jag forums I participate in, that JLR owners are a bit soft in the head, and think if the coffee is nice, and the expensive showroom looks swish, they must be getting value for money, and that any indie must naturally be inept.
Mind you, these are the same people that would rather polish their cars weekly, rather than maintain it properly.
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I found it a car without soul. Nippy at slow speeds but slow to accelerate at higher speeds. So-so interior quality. The one I drove had what appeared to be 'optional sports bucket seats'........which didn't really fit with the character of the car.
The one I was in seemed on a par with the XF, F-type & F-pace they also had in the showroom, no XJ in there so can't comment. I don't buy anything with sports seats, on account of not having a sporty @rse.
Unless you count darts as a sport that is. 8)
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FFS, retyping, due to oppsing wifi. Wifi is universally shite always. As soon as the masses got it, it became unusable. It should be banned. Grr.
Comfort goes beyond seat comfort, but into ride comfort. JLRs advantage of all being RWD/AWD/4WD means they don't need seized suspension to pull away or go around a corner. That makes them almost unique, being able to provide comfort and reasonable handling.
BMW are touting around the 25yr old double glazing rep, so make most of theirs rock hard, before you get to the silly M-Sport-wish-I-could-have-bought-a-real-M-car, and small Lexus have gone the same way.
Merc chassis deficiencies are well known here. Maybe in 40yrs time, I'll have given up on driving enough to be able to own one. Only I'll be dead.
Hence, somebody having a back that's buggered in 2 places, but still likes to drive properly, non Indian options are not forthcoming. Which is a shame, as choice brings innovation and competition, but do-gooders have stifled all that.
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I broadly agree with TB about Jaguar ride quality. My car runs on twenties but the ride is still compliant. Tata seem to understand about ride quality, and an 'old boy' like TB needs to be comfortable at his time of life. :)
A C63 I had a test drive in was rock hard by comparison and would crash into potholes. Plus, finished in white, which seems to be all the rage right now, looked like a taxi.
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I found it a car without soul. Nippy at slow speeds but slow to accelerate at higher speeds. So-so interior quality. The one I drove had what appeared to be 'optional sports bucket seats'........which didn't really fit with the character of the car.
The one I was in seemed on a par with the XF, F-type & F-pace they also had in the showroom, no XJ in there so can't comment. I don't buy anything with sports seats, on account of not having a sporty @rse.
Unless you count darts as a sport that is. 8)
Yep.....but the X250 is far better screwed together than the X260.......in my ever so humble opinion. ;)
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It's been a long time since I've been in an x250 so I couldn't comment on the respective quality.
What I can say is that I prefer the look of the interior of the x250, but I couldn't live with the 1990's infotainment/climate screen. It reminds me of the knock off Chinese dvd players you could buy off eBay not so long ago (probably still can).
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Jaguar dealers/reps (well the 3 I've had experience of) annoy the balls off me too. But that's another story :-X
The common feeling on the JLR forums I'm on is "Don't buy one if you're going to have to rely on the main dealer, only if you have a good indy" (that's RRS, including current models) because the dealers are all out to skin you alive on very expensive repairs..
A quick shuffle through the receipts that came with the XE had me rolling on the floor. £450 for an oil change and a couple of filters, oh, and some coffee, probably. Needless to say, the indy round the corner from my office got the job of doing the next one, and only to preserve the warranty.
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Jaguar dealers/reps (well the 3 I've had experience of) annoy the balls off me too. But that's another story :-X
The common feeling on the JLR forums I'm on is "Don't buy one if you're going to have to rely on the main dealer, only if you have a good indy" (that's RRS, including current models) because the dealers are all out to skin you alive on very expensive repairs..
A quick shuffle through the receipts that came with the XE had me rolling on the floor. £450 for an oil change and a couple of filters, oh, and some coffee, probably. Needless to say, the indy round the corner from my office got the job of doing the next one, and only to preserve the warranty.
Yep. Ridiculous.
Which is why I use the 3+ Jaguar service plan.
£199 for the small and £229 for the big service, which is more reasonable, and probably no more than a main dealer service for an Astra derv or similar unexciting dross. :)
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Jaguar dealers/reps (well the 3 I've had experience of) annoy the balls off me too. But that's another story :-X
The common feeling on the JLR forums I'm on is "Don't buy one if you're going to have to rely on the main dealer, only if you have a good indy" (that's RRS, including current models) because the dealers are all out to skin you alive on very expensive repairs..
A quick shuffle through the receipts that came with the XE had me rolling on the floor. £450 for an oil change and a couple of filters, oh, and some coffee, probably. Needless to say, the indy round the corner from my office got the job of doing the next one, and only to preserve the warranty.
My favourite on the RRS forum - to replace a £15 bracket behind the bumper is a £1500 repair! An indy will have the bumper off in well under an hour..
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Jaguar dealers/reps (well the 3 I've had experience of) annoy the balls off me too. But that's another story :-X
The common feeling on the JLR forums I'm on is "Don't buy one if you're going to have to rely on the main dealer, only if you have a good indy" (that's RRS, including current models) because the dealers are all out to skin you alive on very expensive repairs..
A quick shuffle through the receipts that came with the XE had me rolling on the floor. £450 for an oil change and a couple of filters, oh, and some coffee, probably. Needless to say, the indy round the corner from my office got the job of doing the next one, and only to preserve the warranty.
I paid £599 for a five year service plan (five services if you judge it right), easiest decision I have ever had to make :y
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Jaguar dealers/reps (well the 3 I've had experience of) annoy the balls off me too. But that's another story :-X
The common feeling on the JLR forums I'm on is "Don't buy one if you're going to have to rely on the main dealer, only if you have a good indy" (that's RRS, including current models) because the dealers are all out to skin you alive on very expensive repairs..
A quick shuffle through the receipts that came with the XE had me rolling on the floor. £450 for an oil change and a couple of filters, oh, and some coffee, probably. Needless to say, the indy round the corner from my office got the job of doing the next one, and only to preserve the warranty.
I paid £599 for a five year service plan (five services if you judge it right), easiest decision I have ever had to make :y
£120 for each service. What's not to like. :y
Just hope the job is not given to the neanderthal. ;)
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Jaguar dealers/reps (well the 3 I've had experience of) annoy the balls off me too. But that's another story :-X
The common feeling on the JLR forums I'm on is "Don't buy one if you're going to have to rely on the main dealer, only if you have a good indy" (that's RRS, including current models) because the dealers are all out to skin you alive on very expensive repairs..
A quick shuffle through the receipts that came with the XE had me rolling on the floor. £450 for an oil change and a couple of filters, oh, and some coffee, probably. Needless to say, the indy round the corner from my office got the job of doing the next one, and only to preserve the warranty.
I paid £599 for a five year service plan (five services if you judge it right), easiest decision I have ever had to make :y
£120 for each service. What's not to like. :y
Just hope the job is not given to the neanderthal. ;)
They know better than that, as they already had a call from the head of UK retail when they kept the Velar for a few days for a service. :y