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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 11 March 2021, 13:34:26
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It's the central locking system again......had the same problem with my previous XFR.
The annoying double beep and the doors wont lock with either key, or the door button. Of course the problem, being a devious little f*ucker, decides to pick and choose when it reveals itself so as to create maximum embarrassment. Five times in a day, or not at all for a week. Who knows.
Anyway......took her to the dealer sat back and enjoyed free posh coffee served by a fragrant well groomed receptionist aged about thirty. :-* :-* :-*
An hour and a half later they informed me they could find no fault but had cleared all previous codes (were there any? ??? ???)and said that if the problem manifests itself again it will throw up a code and they will be able to deal with it.
Hmmm. :-X
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Piece of junk. Get yourself a nice diesel astra, no faults on mine in the nearly 4 years I've had it.
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Piece of junk. Get yourself a nice diesel astra, no faults on mine in the nearly 4 years I've had it.
It would be nice, but sadly I can only aspire to own an Astra derv.
I'm disappointed to say I will probably never be fortunate enough to own one.
You are a very lucky man.
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Piece of junk. Get yourself a nice diesel astra, no faults on mine in the nearly 4 years I've had it.
It would be nice, but sadly I can only aspire to own an Astra derv.
I'm disappointed to say I will probably never be fortunate enough to own one.
You are a very lucky man.
I've offered to swap, it's up to you. Do you want an expensive, fast car that lives in the workshop, or a reliable, useful car that runs perfectly every day? ::)
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Mine would probably tow yours no bother when you next break down. Give me a shout, if I'm near I'll drag you down to the dealer. Of course, because you drive a jag, I'd be obliged to charge you £700. :)
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Piece of junk. Get yourself a nice diesel astra, no faults on mine in the nearly 4 years I've had it.
It would be nice, but sadly I can only aspire to own an Astra derv.
I'm disappointed to say I will probably never be fortunate enough to own one.
You are a very lucky man.
I've offered to swap, it's up to you. Do you want an expensive, fast car that lives in the workshop, or a reliable, useful car that runs perfectly every day? ::)
I'm so tempted by the idea of an exchange.
If your environmentally friendly derv was presented in the same fetching 'projectile vomit green' of your previous 1.4 petrol I'd bite your hand off.
Thank you so much for your kind offer. :)
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Piece of junk. Get yourself a nice diesel astra, no faults on mine in the nearly 4 years I've had it.
It would be nice, but sadly I can only aspire to own an Astra derv.
I'm disappointed to say I will probably never be fortunate enough to own one.
You are a very lucky man.
I've offered to swap, it's up to you. Do you want an expensive, fast car that lives in the workshop, or a reliable, useful car that runs perfectly every day? ::)
I'm so tempted by the idea of an exchange.
If your environmentally friendly derv was presented in the same fetching 'projectile vomit green' of your previous 1.4 petrol I'd bite your hand off.
Thank you so much for your kind offer. :)
Sorry, mate, that ship has sailed. The offer was for a working jag, not one that has more electrical problems than a 20 year old omega. ;D
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Mine would probably tow yours no bother when you next break down. Give me a shout, if I'm near I'll drag you down to the dealer. Of course, because you drive a jag, I'd be obliged to charge you £700. :)
Both have been reliable apart form the parts sourced from Tandy in 1972.
Actually the tech in the new 2021 XF looks pretty good.
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PM me the VIN and I will check the codes......
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Mine would probably tow yours no bother when you next break down. Give me a shout, if I'm near I'll drag you down to the dealer. Of course, because you drive a jag, I'd be obliged to charge you £700. :)
Both have been reliable apart form the parts sourced from Tandy in 1972.
Actually the tech in the new 2021 XF looks pretty good.
When it works. ;D
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served by a fragrant well groomed receptionist aged about thirty. :-* :-* :-* ....
man/woman/other? ::) ::)
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served by a fragrant well groomed receptionist aged about thirty. :-* :-* :-* ....
man/woman/other? ::) ::)
Any holes's a goal ;D
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https://youtu.be/lNt_Iws6eVw (https://youtu.be/lNt_Iws6eVw)
It's not all doom and gloom though. I believe Jaguar will introduce this new 'state of the art' navigation system in 2022. :)
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They are becoming more intelligent all the time. You'll be out and about and it will say "I've discovered another fault, I'm taking you to the nearest dealer". ;D
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Cars, like all computer filled gubbins, are only as good as the programmers... Some are in the same office, some work for Apple :D
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served by a fragrant well groomed receptionist aged about thirty. :-* :-* :-* ....
man/woman/other? ::) ::)
Yes. In 2021 it is vital we include all men and men who are not men and women. :)
This non gender specific individual had a cracking pair of tits and a nice tight arse. ;)
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served by a fragrant well groomed receptionist aged about thirty. :-* :-* :-* ....
man/woman/other? ::) ::)
Yes. In 2021 it is vital we include all men and men who are not men and women. :)
This non gender specific individual had a cracking pair of tits and a nice tight arse. ;)
You got to finger her arse? I'm buying a jag ;D
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The service personnette at Vauxhall is probably more fun...
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The service personnette at Vauxhall is probably more fun... cheaper to pay off
FTFY
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The service personnette at Vauxhall is probably more fun...
That sounds a bit androgynous. I may be an old dinosaur but I like to sure of the sex, before the sex starts. :)
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I thought the 'ette' suffix left enough of a clue, but I take your point...
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I thought the 'ette' suffix left enough of a clue, but I take your point...
Normally, yes. But we live is strange times.
I apologise for using a variation of the word 'normal'
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I thought the 'ette' suffix left enough of a clue, but I take your point...
It confused me, because it means 'smaller' or 'imitation', not 'female'
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But the 'e' on the end implies female ;)
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I thought the 'ette' suffix left enough of a clue, but I take your point...
It confused me, because it means 'smaller' or 'imitation', not 'female'
Yes, the Vauxhall Chevette was quite small and was an imitation of a Ford escort. ;D
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Kitchenette comes to mind so there is obviously a female element to the word..... ::) ::) ::) 8)
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Kitchenette comes to mind so there is obviously a female element to the word..... ::) ::) ::) 8)
;D ;D ;D ;D
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PM me the VIN and I will check the codes......
Will do. Thanks Mark.
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PM me the VIN and I will check the codes......
Will do. Thanks Mark.
Well done, flash ;D
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PM me the VIN and I will check the codes......
Will do. Thanks Mark.
Well done, flash ;D
I may be slow but I get there in the end......usually ;D
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Although he hasn't yet ;D
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Although he hasn't yet ;D
PM sent. Thanks. :y
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Just the one code:
B1231-7A - lower appendage failure - floppy dysfunctional :y
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Is that factory or dealer fitted? :D
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Is that factory or dealer fitted? :D
A limp dick?
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Just the one code:
B1231-7A - lower appendage failure - floppy dysfunctional :y
Couldn't happen to a nicer chap! ;D
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He,s had a good run though. ;D
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I'm proud to say I've yet to need any of those little blue pills........unlike some. ;)
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I'm proud to say I've yet to need any of those little blue pills........unlike some. ;)
Don't knock it unless you've tried it! ;D
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Cars, like all computer filled gubbins, are only as good as the programmers... Some are in the same office, some work for Apple :D
Trouble with modern software development methodologies mean that all new software is inherently more unfinished and less tested than that of a decade ago, which itself was worse than a decade before.
That is the same for PCs/Macs, home technology devices, and embedded stuff used in cars etc.
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It's the central locking system again......had the same problem with my previous XFR.
The annoying double beep and the doors wont lock with either key, or the door button. Of course the problem, being a devious little f*ucker, decides to pick and choose when it reveals itself so as to create maximum embarrassment. Five times in a day, or not at all for a week. Who knows.
I might have posted before that the crap door latches that JLR use even worse that what Vauxhall used on the Omega.
I've now changed 5 of the little ficcers on my Jaaaaagggg
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It's the central locking system again......had the same problem with my previous XFR.
The annoying double beep and the doors wont lock with either key, or the door button. Of course the problem, being a devious little f*ucker, decides to pick and choose when it reveals itself so as to create maximum embarrassment. Five times in a day, or not at all for a week. Who knows.
I might have posted before that the crap door latches that JLR use even worse that what Vauxhall used on the Omega.
I've now changed 5 of the little ficcers on my Jaaaaagggg
I've booked her in again for 31st March at 3PM. I'm leaving the Tata overnight so they can finally fix the problem. The codes that Mark supplied has helped and they are going to order new parts for the C/L system in advance. It should finally get fixed.
Replacement car to drive home in will be either a Fiat 500 or a Yaris.......wow. :( :-X :-\
Last time it was a 3.0 2017 300 BHP derv XF in a fetching shade od Caesium Blue.
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It seems to be the driver door that is the problem. After the annoying 'double beep' the other 3 doors, boot/bonnet all remain locked.
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The central locking system for Jaguar/Land Rover must be a fantastic little earner for them this has been documented for years, I've had all mine replaced now on the Range Rover + the bonnet alarm sensor which is another known problem , the indi I use has assured me that the ones he has fitted will not fail he gave up using the original ones about 5 years ago .
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Any visit to the dealer is a potential new car sale... Even if reliability reputation/perception is poor.
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Any visit to the dealer is a potential new car sale... Even if reliability reputation/perception is poor.
Especially when you consider that most Land Rover owners are fanatics and forgive the brand for it's frailties. ::)
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Any visit to the dealer is a potential new car sale... Even if reliability reputation/perception is poor.
Especially when you consider that most Land Rover owners are fanatics and forgive the brand for it's frailties. ::)
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I've now dealt with every problem that the vehicle had/or could have, very fortunate to have found someone who has over 40 years experience of the brand , have to say it is a terrific vehicle to drive & tow with, certainly much nicer than the Hyundai & the V8 Merc which it replaced.
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Cars, like all computer filled gubbins, are only as good as the programmers... Some are in the same office, some work for Apple :D
Trouble with modern software development methodologies mean that all new software is inherently more unfinished and less tested than that of a decade ago, which itself was worse than a decade before.
That is the same for PCs/Macs, home technology devices, and embedded stuff used in cars etc.
Agile software development, a series of little sprints delivering poorly tested code to a large mainline........but removes the need to do proper planning
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The E class saloon was hardly a tow car ;D
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The central locking system for Jaguar/Land Rover must be a fantastic little earner for them this has been documented for years, I've had all mine replaced now on the Range Rover + the bonnet alarm sensor which is another known problem , the indi I use has assured me that the ones he has fitted will not fail he gave up using the original ones about 5 years ago .
I've only managed to find 2 companies who make them for mine (and guess yours is same if it has passive entry but not soft close), Brose who are the OEM, and are shit, or a chinky one who's name escapes me currently, who are even more shit, if ever that was possible ;D
I fitted some patterns to mine, in the hope they would last longer. But they didn't ;D
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The E class saloon was hardly a tow car ;D
FTFY
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The E class saloon was hardly a tow car ;D
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What makes you assume I towed with the Merc ? Are you more stupid than you appear to be ?
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Cars, like all computer filled gubbins, are only as good as the programmers... Some are in the same office, some work for Apple :D
Trouble with modern software development methodologies mean that all new software is inherently more unfinished and less tested than that of a decade ago, which itself was worse than a decade before.
That is the same for PCs/Macs, home technology devices, and embedded stuff used in cars etc.
Agile software development, a series of little sprints delivering poorly tested code to a large mainline........but removes the need to do proper planning
Thats a pretty good summary of Agile, I might use that one in some presentations ;D :y
I was just having a gander through our local internal vacancies, and every single one mentions Agile, so must be the current wankword bingo top dog at our place.
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Cars, like all computer filled gubbins, are only as good as the programmers... Some are in the same office, some work for Apple :D
Trouble with modern software development methodologies mean that all new software is inherently more unfinished and less tested than that of a decade ago, which itself was worse than a decade before.
That is the same for PCs/Macs, home technology devices, and embedded stuff used in cars etc.
Agile software development, a series of little sprints delivering poorly tested code to a large mainline........but removes the need to do proper planning
Give it a few more years and there will be nobody left who remembers stuff being tested before it was launched so it worked as expected.The people who expected things to not need to be replaced every six months won't be missed by manufacturers either.
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The E class saloon was hardly a tow car ;D
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What makes you assume I towed with the Merc ? Are you more stupid than you appear to be ?
I know you didn't ;D you listed it with the tow cars.
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The E class saloon was hardly a tow car ;D
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What makes you assume I towed with the Merc ? Are you more stupid than you appear to be ?
I know you didn't ;D you listed it with the tow cars.
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Give me strength , you are one dumbf**k.
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Have a drink and chill out.
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Cars, like all computer filled gubbins, are only as good as the programmers... Some are in the same office, some work for Apple :D
Trouble with modern software development methodologies mean that all new software is inherently more unfinished and less tested than that of a decade ago, which itself was worse than a decade before.
That is the same for PCs/Macs, home technology devices, and embedded stuff used in cars etc.
Agile software development, a series of little sprints delivering poorly tested code to a large mainline........but removes the need to do proper planning
Thats a pretty good summary of Agile, I might use that one in some presentations ;D :y
I was just having a gander through our local internal vacancies, and every single one mentions Agile, so must be the current wankword bingo top dog at our place.
Every time I hear this word I passive aggressively ignore it. Maybe I'll raise my eyebrows, or nod. Maybe they'll think my team are implementing it. ;D
It might be fine for something trivial like a web site, but for a complex software system that actually has to be designed, it helps if you know where you're going beyond the next fortnight otherwise you end up with a mess that's been chainsawed about all over the place, and is impossible to debug or maintain. Not such an issue for a web site where users can always hit the refresh button. More of a problem for an embedded system that needs to run for years unattended. ::)
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It might be fine for something trivial like a web site, but for a complex software system that actually has to be designed, it helps if you know where you're going beyond the next fortnight otherwise you end up with a mess that's been chainsawed about all over the place, and is impossible to debug or maintain. Not such an issue for a web site where users can always hit the refresh button. More of a problem for an embedded system that needs to run for years unattended. ::)
OMG, you dropped the D-bomb. Apparently any form of design designed to be used beyond the next sprint can't possibly be agile, thus the word must not be used.
Despite the fact I have recently been infected with Oxford, courtesy of Mr AZ, even I can still see you are speaking far too much common sense than is allowed nowadays :P
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The central locking system for Jaguar/Land Rover must be a fantastic little earner for them this has been documented for years, I've had all mine replaced now on the Range Rover + the bonnet alarm sensor which is another known problem , the indi I use has assured me that the ones he has fitted will not fail he gave up using the original ones about 5 years ago .
I've only managed to find 2 companies who make them for mine (and guess yours is same if it has passive entry but not soft close), Brose who are the OEM, and are shit, or a chinky one who's name escapes me currently, who are even more shit, if ever that was possible ;D
I fitted some patterns to mine, in the hope they would last longer. But they didn't ;D
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Have no idea of what make they are but seems confident that they are fit for purpose ,he also mentioned that there are a lot of inferior pattern suspension pumps available which are "total crap" as mine had recently had its one replaced he confirmed it is a genuine one thankfully, although they are not that expensive to replace if required.
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The central locking system for Jaguar/Land Rover must be a fantastic little earner for them this has been documented for years, I've had all mine replaced now on the Range Rover + the bonnet alarm sensor which is another known problem , the indi I use has assured me that the ones he has fitted will not fail he gave up using the original ones about 5 years ago .
I've only managed to find 2 companies who make them for mine (and guess yours is same if it has passive entry but not soft close), Brose who are the OEM, and are shit, or a chinky one who's name escapes me currently, who are even more shit, if ever that was possible ;D
I fitted some patterns to mine, in the hope they would last longer. But they didn't ;D
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Have no idea of what make they are but seems confident that they are fit for purpose ,he also mentioned that there are a lot of inferior pattern suspension pumps available which are "total crap" as mine had recently had its one replaced he confirmed it is a genuine one thankfully, although they are not that expensive to replace if required.
Are these a common part between Jags and LR's? ???
If so it might be worth asking on the Disco/Range Rover forums as I'd imagine those guys are a bit more 'hands on' than the Jaaaag lot. :)
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Have no idea of what make they are but seems confident that they are fit for purpose ,he also mentioned that there are a lot of inferior pattern suspension pumps available which are "total crap" as mine had recently had its one replaced he confirmed it is a genuine one thankfully, although they are not that expensive to replace if required.
Are these a common part between Jags and LR's? ???
If so it might be worth asking on the Disco/Range Rover forums as I'd imagine those guys are a bit more 'hands on' than the Jaaaag lot. :)
They're pretty much standard across anything with air suspension
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I think it may have been Bosch pump he had been using in the past not 100 percent sure but whatever it was it was failing disastrously during the warranty period , so now will only fit LR air suspension pumps.
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I find it strange that Jaguar and Land Rover use the same colours but go by different names.
My car is IRR but the same colour on a Range Rover has a different name, I think.
Weird.
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I find it strange that Jaguar and Land Rover use the same colours but go by different names.
My car is IRR but the same colour on a Range Rover has a different name, I think.
Weird.
Marketing wank ;)
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I find it strange that Jaguar and Land Rover use the same colours but go by different names.
My car is IRR but the same colour on a Range Rover has a different name, I think.
Weird.
Marketing wank ;)
Yes......although I doubt Jaguar/LR use those exact words to describe it..... :D ;D
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Have no idea of what make they are but seems confident that they are fit for purpose ,he also mentioned that there are a lot of inferior pattern suspension pumps available which are "total crap" as mine had recently had its one replaced he confirmed it is a genuine one thankfully, although they are not that expensive to replace if required.
Are these a common part between Jags and LR's? ???
If so it might be worth asking on the Disco/Range Rover forums as I'd imagine those guys are a bit more 'hands on' than the Jaaaag lot. :)
They're pretty much standard across anything with air suspension
What does air suspension have to do with the central locking? ??? ;D
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Have no idea of what make they are but seems confident that they are fit for purpose ,he also mentioned that there are a lot of inferior pattern suspension pumps available which are "total crap" as mine had recently had its one replaced he confirmed it is a genuine one thankfully, although they are not that expensive to replace if required.
Are these a common part between Jags and LR's? ???
If so it might be worth asking on the Disco/Range Rover forums as I'd imagine those guys are a bit more 'hands on' than the Jaaaag lot. :)
They're pretty much standard across anything with air suspension
What does air suspension have to do with the central locking? ??? ;D
??? from the quoted thread above: a lot of inferior suspension pumps ???
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Have no idea of what make they are but seems confident that they are fit for purpose ,he also mentioned that there are a lot of inferior pattern suspension pumps available which are "total crap" as mine had recently had its one replaced he confirmed it is a genuine one thankfully, although they are not that expensive to replace if required.
Are these a common part between Jags and LR's? ???
If so it might be worth asking on the Disco/Range Rover forums as I'd imagine those guys are a bit more 'hands on' than the Jaaaag lot. :)
They're pretty much standard across anything with air suspension
What does air suspension have to do with the central locking? ??? ;D
??? from the quoted thread above: a lot of inferior suspension pumps ???
Ah yes I see, but the thread is about central locking. :)
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Have no idea of what make they are but seems confident that they are fit for purpose ,he also mentioned that there are a lot of inferior pattern suspension pumps available which are "total crap" as mine had recently had its one replaced he confirmed it is a genuine one thankfully, although they are not that expensive to replace if required.
Are these a common part between Jags and LR's? ???
If so it might be worth asking on the Disco/Range Rover forums as I'd imagine those guys are a bit more 'hands on' than the Jaaaag lot. :)
They're pretty much standard across anything with air suspension
What does air suspension have to do with the central locking? ??? ;D
??? from the quoted thread above: a lot of inferior suspension pumps ???
Ah yes I see, but the thread is about central locking. :)
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Just thought I'd throw it in to the equation Steve , lots of various pattern parts available for various items, but best to get some knowledgeable advice before throwing your cash down the drain.
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Have no idea of what make they are but seems confident that they are fit for purpose ,he also mentioned that there are a lot of inferior pattern suspension pumps available which are "total crap" as mine had recently had its one replaced he confirmed it is a genuine one thankfully, although they are not that expensive to replace if required.
Are these a common part between Jags and LR's? ???
If so it might be worth asking on the Disco/Range Rover forums as I'd imagine those guys are a bit more 'hands on' than the Jaaaag lot. :)
They're pretty much standard across anything with air suspension
What does air suspension have to do with the central locking? ??? ;D
??? from the quoted thread above: a lot of inferior suspension pumps ???
Ah yes I see, but the thread is about central locking. :)
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Just thought I'd throw it in to the equation Steve , lots of various pattern parts available for various items, but best to get some knowledgeable advice before throwing your cash down the drain.
Yes that's why I was wondering if the door locks are same on a Range Rover and a Jag XJ (say), if so you might get better DIY advice from the Rangie crowd. :)
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Do the diy lot drive anything that new?
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There are guys on the RRS site who tinker around with quite new ones & give themselves in all kinds of problems , leave it to someone who knows what they're doing is my advice, if you can't afford to maintain them correctly steer clear.
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Do the diy lot drive anything that new?
I think that there are plenty of Range Rover L322 owners who work on their cars and the later L322's overlapped with the Jag XJ X351? ???
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Do the diy lot drive anything that new?
I think that there are plenty of Range Rover L322 owners who work on their cars and the later L322's overlapped with the Jag XJ X351? ???
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Don't know there seem so many variations of engines & transmissions etc.
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There are guys on the RRS site who tinker around with quite new ones & give themselves in all kinds of problems , leave it to someone who knows what they're doing is my advice, if you can't afford to maintain them correctly steer clear.
So who's that? A main dealer? ;D ;D ;D
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There are guys on the RRS site who tinker around with quite new ones & give themselves in all kinds of problems , leave it to someone who knows what they're doing is my advice, if you can't afford to maintain them correctly steer clear.
So who's that? A main dealer? ;D ;D ;D
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God forbid 😂😂😂
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Yes, Jaguar and LR share many parts.
Up til recently, the LR part was cheaper than the identical Jag part, but the company is trying to resolve that. Fortunately, its trivial for me to get the engineering part number, and cross ref the different marque's part numbers.
As said earlier, if the lock motors are passive/keyless entry without soft close, there are only 2 manufacturers, the original OE part, or some even worse chinky piece of tat. If a mechanic is telling you otherwise, I'm about 95% certain that somebody is being gullible.
If its not keyless entry, then there are loads of suppliers, as that part has been in use since Moses carried some heavy stones.
If its keyless with soft close, I haven't looked too hard, but only found Brose.
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Yes, Jaguar and LR share many parts.
Up til recently, the LR part was cheaper than the identical Jag part, but the company is trying to resolve that. Fortunately, its trivial for me to get the engineering part number, and cross ref the different marque's part numbers.
As said earlier, if the lock motors are passive/keyless entry without soft close, there are only 2 manufacturers, the original OE part, or some even worse chinky piece of tat. If a mechanic is telling you otherwise, I'm about 95% certain that somebody is being gullible.
If its not keyless entry, then there are loads of suppliers, as that part has been in use since Moses carried some heavy stones.
If its keyless with soft close, I haven't looked too hard, but only found Brose.
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I would like to know what actually fails in the actuator part of the door central locking system , surely it can't be hard to rectify ? I know we have said before it's a nice little earner for them but there are people buying new Jags/Land Rovers & having problems in the first few months , the other big problem on the RR can be the EPB the module is quite expensive and seems to deteriorate through lack of use I had a reconditioned one fitted by my indi at a fraction of the price of a new one thought it was worth a try but I make sure I use it and not just leave the vehicle in P.
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Yes, Jaguar and LR share many parts.
Up til recently, the LR part was cheaper than the identical Jag part, but the company is trying to resolve that. Fortunately, its trivial for me to get the engineering part number, and cross ref the different marque's part numbers.
As said earlier, if the lock motors are passive/keyless entry without soft close, there are only 2 manufacturers, the original OE part, or some even worse chinky piece of tat. If a mechanic is telling you otherwise, I'm about 95% certain that somebody is being gullible.
If its not keyless entry, then there are loads of suppliers, as that part has been in use since Moses carried some heavy stones.
If its keyless with soft close, I haven't looked too hard, but only found Brose.
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I would like to know what actually fails in the actuator part of the door central locking system , surely it can't be hard to rectify ? I know we have said before it's a nice little earner for them but there are people buying new Jags/Land Rovers & having problems in the first few months , the other big problem on the RR can be the EPB the module is quite expensive and seems to deteriorate through lack of use I had a reconditioned one fitted by my indi at a fraction of the price of a new one thought it was worth a try but I make sure I use it and not just leave the vehicle in P.
As Jaime would say, Electronic parking brakes are universally shite. Yet they seem to be putting them on to everything, I drove a modern corsa last month and that had one. The car had only done 700 miles, but the action of the parking brake seem slow and strained.
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Yes, Jaguar and LR share many parts.
Up til recently, the LR part was cheaper than the identical Jag part, but the company is trying to resolve that. Fortunately, its trivial for me to get the engineering part number, and cross ref the different marque's part numbers.
As said earlier, if the lock motors are passive/keyless entry without soft close, there are only 2 manufacturers, the original OE part, or some even worse chinky piece of tat. If a mechanic is telling you otherwise, I'm about 95% certain that somebody is being gullible.
If its not keyless entry, then there are loads of suppliers, as that part has been in use since Moses carried some heavy stones.
If its keyless with soft close, I haven't looked too hard, but only found Brose.
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I would like to know what actually fails in the actuator part of the door central locking system , surely it can't be hard to rectify ? I know we have said before it's a nice little earner for them but there are people buying new Jags/Land Rovers & having problems in the first few months , the other big problem on the RR can be the EPB the module is quite expensive and seems to deteriorate through lack of use I had a reconditioned one fitted by my indi at a fraction of the price of a new one thought it was worth a try but I make sure I use it and not just leave the vehicle in P.
As Jaime would say, Electronic parking brakes are universally shite. Yet they seem to be putting them on to everything, I drove a modern corsa last month and that had one. The car had only done 700 miles, but the action of the parking brake seem slow and strained.
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I really don't like a lot of these electronic gizmos but as you say Steve they're putting them on everything I'd sooner have a normal handbrake & open the door with a key but this is progress as they say..😀
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Normal handbrake, yes...... open the door with a key? Don't be so silly.
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Normal handbrake, yes...... open the door with a key? Don't be so silly.
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Do you not realise that I was a Prison Officer before I retired ?
I miss having keys 😂😂😂
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Normal handbrake, yes...... open the door with a key? Don't be so silly.
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Do you not realise that I was a Prison Officer before I retired ?
I miss having keys 😂😂😂
I have loads of old ones, so I'll send you a bunch if you like! :y ;D
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you'd have thunk the criminals would have keyless entry for their cells nowadays with all the money they make :P
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As Jaime would say, Electronic parking brakes are universally shite. Yet they seem to be putting them on to everything, I drove a modern corsa last month and that had one. The car had only done 700 miles, but the action of the parking brake seem slow and strained.
It's not just Jaime that would say that; so would I.
They are:
badly thought through
poorly designed
over complicated
terribly under engineered
flimsy
many lack a workable manual release - German ones are particularly bad for this
completely unnecessary.
A manually operated handbrake has: 3 levers, two cables and a spring.
An electric handbrake has, as a minimum: a switch, an ECU, wiring, at least one motor, some gearing and a mechanism(which is usually cables) to connect the gearing to the calipers. This can be 'simplified' by fitting the motors inside each caliper, but anyone who has ever looked at a brake that has been used will understand in an instant why this is utterly moronic.
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Really can't see the problem with a normal handbrake , it's not as if it's difficult to operate , and please don't get me started on the lack of a spare wheel or a spacesaver, I wouldn't even entertain a vehicle with either, the world has gone nuts about doing things stupidly.
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As Jaime would say, Electronic parking brakes are universally shite. Yet they seem to be putting them on to everything, I drove a modern corsa last month and that had one. The car had only done 700 miles, but the action of the parking brake seem slow and strained.
When they first came out, motoring journalists said 'They were the answer to a question that nobody had asked'. ;D
All they do is free up space/tidy up the centre console.
many lack a workable manual release - German ones are particularly bad for this
completely unnecessary.
On my Audi I have to use VagCom to release the rear calipers. As the voltage needs to remain stable whilst working on them it advises hooking up the battery charger to the vehicle when working on them. What a faff compared to the traditional handbrake.
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All they do is free up space/tidy up the centre console. ....
Unless your 'handbrake' is a foot brake like Merc & he US tend to use ;)
On my Audi I have to use VagCom to release the rear calipers. As the voltage needs to remain stable whilst working on them it advises hooking up the battery charger to the vehicle when working on them. What a faff compared to the traditional handbrake.
You can release the caliper on my ML via the dash cluster menu ... when you eventually find the relevant menu :y
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All they do is free up space/tidy up the centre console. ....
Unless your 'handbrake' is a foot brake like Merc & the US tend to use ;)
My sister-in-law left her Mercedes on our drive and I needed to move it to work on it. Took me a few seconds to work out the handbrake. ;D I could see the release handle on the dash but couldn't see the foot part of it straight away. ::)
Can't be that elegant to watch when she lifts her leg to operate it. ;D
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Can't be that elegant to watch when she lifts her leg to operate it. ;D
just don't watch ::)
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I'd forgotten all about the MB type of brake, never had any problems with that ,but got to admit I didn't often use it.
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... never had any problems with that
Neither have I. People just don't like things to be different. Some seem to have a problem with Merc's column shift too.
,but got to admit I didn't often use it.
Neither do I .... probably only when parking on a hill. :y
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... never had any problems with that
Neither have I. People just don't like things to be different. Some seem to have a problem with Merc's column shift too.
,but got to admit I didn't often use it.
Neither do I .... probably only when parking on a hill. :y
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Not many hills in Lincolnshire. 😂😂
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I'd forgotten all about the MB type of brake, never had any problems with that ,but got to admit I didn't often use it.
It's an American design, admired by the Germans because it requires two mechanisms rather than one. What makes it even better is that the main one faces the wrong way....
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On my Audi I have to use VagCom to release the rear calipers. As the voltage needs to remain stable whilst working on them it advises hooking up the battery charger to the vehicle when working on them. What a faff compared to the traditional handbrake.
Just wait until they seize on.
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... never had any problems with that
Neither have I. People just don't like things to be different. Some seem to have a problem with Merc's column shift too.
,but got to admit I didn't often use it.
Neither do I .... probably only when parking on a hill. :y
I always forget where Park is on those column shifts, alrhough at least neutral is easier to find than on their automatic truck boxes ;D
Must admit that I prefer the foot parking brake.
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On the corsa I drove, the EHB released as soon as you brought the clutch up to the bite position. It was just not right, there was a split second between car wanting to go and brake releasing, felt wrong. But, I dare say, there are people who are used to it and think it is just fine, not realising that most things are just fine until they need fixing. Then you realise that you have no control over it, that's why it's called electronic. ;D
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On the corsa I drove, the EHB released as soon as you brought the clutch up to the bite position. It was just not right, there was a split second between car wanting to go and brake releasing, felt wrong. But, I dare say, there are people who are used to it and think it is just fine, not realising that most things are just fine until they need fixing. Then you realise that you have no control over it, that's why it's called electronic. ;D
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Mines " fine" at the moment works perfectly & totally silent & instantaneous in operation, when I bought it , it was exactly as you described hesitant & notchy , no previous history of it ever being changed in the service history so for 11 years old it wasn't bad I suppose
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On the corsa I drove, the EHB released as soon as you brought the clutch up to the bite position.........
On mine the auto handbrake will come on as soon as you open the drivers door as well, so it's *impossible* to not have the handbrake on if you exit the vehicle. Always wondered what would happen if I opened the door when moving. ::) :-\ Mine is set to auto handbrake but I always release it myself just before I pull away. ::)
*It can be coded out but it's like that by default*
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I always forget where Park is on those column shifts, ....
In the middle of R & D ;) Mine will go into park itself if you switch the ignition off or open the driver's door. Though in my mind, Merc put them 4rse about face ... you push it forwards for reverse & backwards for drive. On a FLT you push the paddle in the direction you want to go. :y
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*It can be coded out but it's like that by default*
It would be coded out if it was my car ;)
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I always forget where Park is on those column shifts, ....
In the middle of R & D ;) Mine will go into park itself if you switch the ignition off or open the driver's door. Though in my mind, Merc put them 4rse about face ... you push it forwards for reverse & backwards for drive. On a FLT you push the paddle in the direction you want to go. :y
Press the button on the end iirc :-\
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Press the button on the end iirc :-\
:y Correct.
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I always forget where Park is on those column shifts, ....
In the middle of R & D ;) Mine will go into park itself if you switch the ignition off or open the driver's door. Though in my mind, Merc put them 4rse about face ... you push it forwards for reverse & backwards for drive. On a FLT you push the paddle in the direction you want to go. :y
Common on all, its a legals thing :y (so if you have your hand on the selector, select the wrong direction, it naturally pulls the lever to N)
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I always forget where Park is on those column shifts, ....
In the middle of R & D ;) Mine will go into park itself if you switch the ignition off or open the driver's door. Though in my mind, Merc put them 4rse about face ... you push it forwards for reverse & backwards for drive. On a FLT you push the paddle in the direction you want to go. :y
Common on all, its a legals thing :y (so if you have your hand on the selector, select the wrong direction, it naturally pulls the lever to N)
I'm not with you :-\ If I'm in Park, I pull the lever down/towards me to select Drive which is the opposite of a fork truck. Being electric, it doesn't go through Neutral from Park like it would in an Omega.
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You've that backwards... The lever lives in the Neutral position, with 'Park' being a separate switch, albeit on said lever ;)
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You've that backwards... The lever lives in the Neutral position, with 'Park' being a separate switch, albeit on said lever ;)
When in Park, I pull the lever towards me or push it away from me to select Reverse or Drive .... it doesn't go into neutral first. To select Neutral from Park, I move the selector slightly one way or the other. My comparison with the Omega was comparing the electrickery column shift with an old style PRND321
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There's probably some give in it, but towards the wheel should be neutral with down for drive and up for backwards. It's feasible that how you move the lever is enough to get neutral as part of the movement. It shouldn't go from P to D without pulling the lever towards the wheel :-\
Also, it shouldn't, for go from D to R without going via N.
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There's probably some give in it, but towards the wheel should be neutral with down for drive and up for backwards. It's feasible that how you move the lever is enough to get neutral as part of the movement. It shouldn't go from P to D without pulling the lever towards the wheel :-\
Also, it shouldn't, for go from D to R without going via N.
You've made me go & look ... ;D If I pause while pressing the lever one way or the other, then Neutral is selected, but pressing the lever to D or R results in the transmission going directly to which ever. I suppose technically it'll go via neutral, but it's that fast you can't see it on the display ... there's a < pointing to what's selected.
It's like this - but doesn't auto apply the parking brake..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1FC66jCsSo
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I've driven a couple of W212, and the fat bastid version of the ML and a Tesla, and all worked, except the Tesla, that didn't clunk into gear ;D
It's a similar range of movement to the cruise stalk, and that's a bit too easy to flick the wrong way... The mechanical switch on the W116 was much more defined in its movement... That's progress for you ::)