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[STEMO]

...what about HRH Prince Andrew?

He's given up all of his military and royal titles.

[ronnyd]

Didn't they say stripped? He'll know all about that then.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

And will no longer use the HRH title !
Queen must be heartbroken that her favourite child has fallen so far. 

[STEMO]

And will no longer use the HRH title !
Queen must be heartbroken that her favourite child has fallen so far. 

Yep, that's why I crossed it out, Paddy 

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

You also crossed out Prince - which he will always be - daft Scouse git. 

[STEMO]

You also crossed out Prince - which he will always be - daft Scouse git. 

See your last post on the BBC statue 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

The Windsor 1 is innocent.

[Rangie]

He's a nonce no doubt about it now.

[Sir Tigger KC]

Interesting how Randy Andy is getting shook down and hung out to dry, but what about all the others who visited Epstein's island and flew in his plane etc 

Bill Clinton, Peter Mandelson for example.  I'm sure there is quite a list of the wealthy and powerful, so why isn't the media going after them? 

[Doctor Gollum]

Interesting how Randy Andy is getting shook down and hung out to dry, but what about all the others who visited Epstein's island and flew in his plane etc 

Bill Clinton, Peter Mandelson for example.  I'm sure there is quite a list of the wealthy and powerful, so why isn't the media going after them? 

Mandy is in the LBTQ+ camp so untouchable. Bill Clinton is a Clinton, and therefore untouchable. It's a shame that Ton E B Liar wasn't photographed on the island 

[TheBoy]

Interesting how Randy Andy is getting shook down and hung out to dry, but what about all the others who visited Epstein's island and flew in his plane etc 

Bill Clinton, Peter Mandelson for example.  I'm sure there is quite a list of the wealthy and powerful, so why isn't the media going after them? 

Who's the richest?

And who is most likely to get convicted in an American court.

[Doctor Gollum]

Interesting how Randy Andy is getting shook down and hung out to dry, but what about all the others who visited Epstein's island and flew in his plane etc 

Bill Clinton, Peter Mandelson for example.  I'm sure there is quite a list of the wealthy and powerful, so why isn't the media going after them? 

Who's the richest?

And who is most likely to get convicted in an American court.

Bill Gates.

Andrew Windsor.

In that order.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Dont forget Branson and possibly Blair. 
And of course Trump. The U.S. establishment would love nothing more than to have him locked up for sex crimes.

[TheBoy]

Interesting how Randy Andy is getting shook down and hung out to dry, but what about all the others who visited Epstein's island and flew in his plane etc 

Bill Clinton, Peter Mandelson for example.  I'm sure there is quite a list of the wealthy and powerful, so why isn't the media going after them? 

Who's the richest?

And who is most likely to get convicted in an American court.

Bill Gates.

Andrew Windsor.

In that order.

That Gates chap now has a halo, given that he gives most of his money away.  Well, He'll probably give all of it away as part of his divorce

[Marks DTM Calib]

This is in prep for an out of court settlement, can't be traced back to the royal coffers and 'tax payers' funding randy Andys antics

[TheBoy]

This is in prep for an out of court settlement, can't be traced back to the royal coffers and 'tax payers' funding randy Andys antics

Not withstanding that all his wealth comes from the taxpayer and/or the perks of being part of the taxpayer funded institution.


Mind you, if he cuts official ties, could he claim his worth is about 2 bob?

[Varche]

This is in prep for an out of court settlement, can't be traced back to the royal coffers and 'tax payers' funding randy Andys antics

Can’t see it being settled out of court otherwise it would already have been. Surely.

There are so many unanswered questions on both parties for me. Are we looking at the tip of the iceberg?

[Rangie]

I think that there was a piece in the papers last weekend about his ski lodge being up for sale either 7 or 17 million can't remember exactly, it did say " to assist with his legal costs", expensive bunk up.😅

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I thought he had already paid her off. About £500,000.

[TheBoy]

I thought he had already paid her off. About £500,000.

That was Epstein. She's clearly burnt through that, and needs another payout.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

I think if she was just in it for the money, it would have been settled long ago with no publicity at all. 

[Doctor Gollum]

I thought he had already paid her off. About £500,000.

That was Epstein. She's clearly burnt through that, and needs another payout.

That's somewhat unfair.

Epstein and Maxwell actively recruited young, ie school age, girls to lure younger girls with cash in order to satisfy the sexual needs of themselves and their associates.

Doesn’t matter if the girls went voluntarily or not they were targeted, groomed and statutorily raped. Repeatedly. Over several years.

Epstein and Maxwell were only tolerated in their circles because they satisfied a need and they had money and consequently paid extremely well.

Andrew was stupid enough to be photographed several times in their company and enjoying the services availed by Epstein and Maxwell and consequently deserves to be held accountable.

[Lizzie Zoom]

I thought he had already paid her off. About £500,000.

That was Epstein. She's clearly burnt through that, and needs another payout.

That's somewhat unfair.

Epstein and Maxwell actively recruited young, ie school age, girls to lure younger girls with cash in order to satisfy the sexual needs of themselves and their associates.

Doesn’t matter if the girls went voluntarily or not they were targeted, groomed and statutorily raped. Repeatedly. Over several years.

Epstein and Maxwell were only tolerated in their circles because they satisfied a need and they had money and consequently paid extremely well.

Andrew was stupid enough to be photographed several times in their company and enjoying the services availed by Epstein and Maxwell and consequently deserves to be held accountable.

Absolutely correct

Just because some of the so called “elite” have big money does not mean they should get away with it by paying someone off.  Prince Andrew got himself into his mess, and no way should his alleged victim suffer from what she must be suffering from her terrible ordeals just because he could pay her off. She wants her day in court.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I thought he had already paid her off. About £500,000.

That was Epstein. She's clearly burnt through that, and needs another payout.

Ah..yes. I stand corrected.

[TheBoy]

and enjoying the services availed by Epstein and Maxwell

When was that confirmed?  The fact that is completely unsubstantiated was a key reason Randy Andy lost that case last week...

I thought in the UK, we and a judicial system that worked on the principle of innocent until proven guilty.


What makes my blood boil, is people wait 30yrs, when its impossible to prove or disprove...  ...and the US style "law" firms that promise massive payouts, particularly when the defendant is unable to defend themselves for reasons like being dead.  Take Jimmy, for example, sure he fiddled an unknown number of kids, but I bet a significant proportion he didn't, yet they still got a payout.


Back to Andy Pandy and this other fat tart, can it be proven that:
a) he had any kind of sexual contact - probably impossible now, unless a video comes to light
b) knew at the time, or since, she was unwilling, if indeed she was
c) knew she was under age - probably impossible now, unless unknown evidence came to light


Back to b), if you paid a prozzie for a shag, would you expect that to come back to you 30 years later, if it turned out her pimp was a sex trafficker?

And back to c), back 30+ years ago when we (male) were all of an age that if it moved and looked female, it was worth a squirt, did you ever stop to ask to see their birth certificate?  In the only photo I've seen, she looked old enough, and happy enough to be in his company.


Now I have very strong views on what should happen to men who force themselves upon an unwilling person, or with older men getting too close to obviously under age girls. I have far weaker views on seemingly consensual sex, even if they is payments involved (LOL, there are always payments, one way or another), or 2 young people having consensual sex, even if one/both are under age.


If Randy Pandy can be proven to have had sexual contact against her will, or that he knew her age, fair dos, hang him from a branch by his 'dangle berries'.  But I can't see that can be even remotely established, and no way in this world will he get a fair trial.  Fatty tart knows that, and has nothing to lose, and a shit load of cash to win.



//edited because Steve Job's didn't have consensual in his vocabulary.

[Sir Tigger KC]

I thought in the UK, we and a judicial system that worked on the principle of innocent until proven guilty.

We might have done back in the days of Magna Carta or even pre internet, but not now particularly if you are in the public eye. 

Randy Andy might be completely innocent for all we know and telling the truth, but he has already been tried and convicted in the court of public opinion which means TB's statement below is probably correct.

If Randy Pandy can be proven to have had sexual contact against her will, or that he knew her age, fair dos, hang him from a branch by his 'dangle berries'.  But I can't see that can be even remotely established, and no way in this world will he get a fair trial.  Fatty tart knows that, and has nothing to lose, and a shit load of cash to win.

[Doctor Gollum]

Epstein had several charges settled/dropped/ignored by the DA in Miami in spite of enough evidence to convict him at the time. He did eventually serve some time in prison for some of the original charges, albeit with weekend release.

This may have been twenty plus years ago for some of the cases but the whole reason Epstein, and Maxwell, ended up in prison was because they were guilty. And it only made it to court because Federal prosecuters refused to be bought off.

Andrew has never given a reasonable explanation as to how he came to be photographed in a flat in West London with a teenage girl and Maxwell. Or why he publicly spent time with Epstein and partook of his offerings even after Epstein had been convicted.

These women have been wanting their day in court for decades, and have every right to it.

[Rangie]

For Andrew to have been summoned by his mother & then had various titles & ranks removed can only mean that there is a lot more "deeds" that will surface over the weeks, the amount of intelligence that would have been brought to her attention about her son would have influenced her decisions, a very sad position for her to be in at this time in her life. As for his accuser she should be very wary of being offered or accepting chaffuer driven rides in a Mercedes.

[Doctor Gollum]

I would also point out, that although, being 17 at the time, Virginia Guiffre was technically over the age of consent in the UK, as a Florida resident, she was below the age of consent there, hence the suggestion of statutory rape as most of Epstein and Maxwells victims were 16/17 at the time.

Note the US Virgin Islands criteria on the matter... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_the_United_States noteworthy because this is where Little St James is located.

[Sir Tigger KC]

Like TB I struggle to see how it can be proved after all this time that she was forced to have sex with him when and where she was under the age of consent, or even where she was over the age of consent for that matter. 

[Raeturbo]

We don’t know what Andy done but she’s obviously a gold digger. IMO.

[Nick W]

And all because Andrew was too stupid to realise that oppsing a teenage prostitute paid for by somebody else wasn't as good a deal as it looked at the time.


Following recent event, perhaps he should claim it was a work meeting? It certainly was for her.

[Doctor Gollum]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein

She wasn't his first victim, nor his last.

He kept his client loyalty to the bitter end, but with Epstein gone, Maxwell has limited support. In fact her only line of defence is that anyone who may briefly have been acquainted with her or Epstein wants anonymity in order to distance themselves from them either in disgust or guilty shame.

[Rangie]

Pictures of Royalty or MPs romping with a whore , been done before  amazing what surfaces a few years later.

[Doctor Gollum]

Pictures of Royalty or MPs romping with a whore , been done before  amazing what surfaces a few years later.

It was first specifically reported at least ten years ago. And slave would be a better description.

Put another way, you wouldn't be so flippant if it were your daughter.

[Viral_Jim]

Like TB I struggle to see how it can be proved after all this time that she was forced to have sex with him when and where she was under the age of consent, or even where she was over the age of consent for that matter. 

It can't, hence the civil suit, because the test moves from beyond reasonable doubt to balance of probability. So her doubtless well-polished theatrics can come into play more easily than if more hard evidence were required.

[Doctor Gollum]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.netflix.com/title/80224905&ved=2ahUKEwiIotSo6LT1AhWCgVwKHbXhDDIQjjh6BAg2EAE&usg=AOvVaw3C-WeG48yghCBics1wKMDP

Worth watching, if only to appreciate the scale of what these people were/are upto.

Perhaps the media intrusion has encouraged/empowered these women to come forward... But either way, if Andrew, and others were knowingly involved, then they should answer to their involvement. 

[Rangie]

A few years down the road her looks are fading & she's piling on the pounds , probably thought as a teenager she was in love with a prince or vice versa , but old enough to know right from wrong, now been advised that " she's sitting on a fortune" from her past & she's going to claim it . As for Randy Andy his past may have caught up with him, I remember going to a 999 stag evening in the late eighties after a "whip round" one of the strippers gave a sex show with several members of the audience, a few weeks later the same stripper was pictured in a Sunday paper on  Andys
 arm at a party , we all have past lives some good some bad  but when you're in the public eye you're a damn good target. Once a whore always a whore .

[Doctor Gollum]

And if she were your daughter?

[STEMO]

And if she were your daughter?

Then you'd have a whore for a daughter. 

[Rangie]

Morning Steve, thought that would have been obvious ! Some folk honestly !😂😂😂

[Varche]

Did Jim fix it for him to hand his medals back?

[Rangie]

Did Jim fix it for him to hand his medals back?

.


I think the ones he had were for decorative purposes only, so don't really count..😅

[TheBoy]

This may have been twenty plus years ago for some of the cases but the whole reason Epstein, and Maxwell, ended up in prison was because they were guilty.

But we are not talking about them, We are talking about Randy Andy Pandy.

I've been "friends" with people who have subsequently been guilty of a serious enough crime to end up being looked after at Her Majesty's pleasure.  Doesn't make me guilty of the same crimes.

[Doctor Gollum]

This may have been twenty plus years ago for some of the cases but the whole reason Epstein, and Maxwell, ended up in prison was because they were guilty.

But we are not talking about them, We are talking about Randy Andy Pandy.

I've been "friends" with people who have subsequently been guilty of a serious enough crime to end up being looked after at Her Majesty's pleasure.  Doesn't make me guilty of the same crimes.

Guilty by association is different to actually guilty...

[redelitev6]

Did Jim fix it for him to hand his medals back?

Now then , Now then , Now then 

[TheBoy]

Did Jim fix it for him to hand his medals back?

Now then , Now then , Now then 

I'm still miffed that Jimmy never crept up on me when I was bent over in his flat at Stoke Mandeville.  I've been scarred for life now, believing there is something wrong with my arse me.

Surely there's a claim?

[redelitev6]

Did Jim fix it for him to hand his medals back?

Now then , Now then , Now then 

I'm still miffed that Jimmy never crept up on me when I was bent over in his flat at Stoke Mandeville.  I've been scarred for life now, believing there is something wrong with my arse me.

Surely there's a claim?

Maybe he was just very fussy ?