Topic: winter worries (Read 1930 times)

yorkipud · « **on:** 02 October 2010, 20:53:18 »

Hello,
just read that we might be in for another winter like last year

which then led me to wonder what a 30l v6 rear wheel drive estate is like in the slippy stuff because last time I drove a rear wheeled car 20 odd years ago it wasn't that good.....
I have a feeling I already know the answer having had the back end out in just a bit of rain.
cheers Neil

cem_devecioglu · « **Reply #1 on:** 02 October 2010, 20:56:38 »

imo winter tires like this one

will solve your problem
or this

however studded tires will be necessary only for very harsh conditions like steep hills with ice..

and you can use them below 15 celcius even in dry..

yorkipud · « **Reply #2 on:** 02 October 2010, 20:59:10 »

cheers what sort of price are those little beautys

cem_devecioglu · « **Reply #3 on:** 02 October 2010, 21:04:44 »

price ranges are same as performance tires but not cheapo like budget tires.. the cheapest I can recommend is kumho winter tire.. goodyears , bridgestones and continentals are very good but more pricey.. but dont know their exact prices for this season as I'm a bit away :-/

as miggy is rwd I'm afraid you need to purchase 4..

and dont go for wide models above 205.. no need..

Psychoca · « **Reply #4 on:** 02 October 2010, 21:09:25 »

I found that just normal road tyres handled the snow very well last year... Just make sure that you have suitable tyre tread depth on all the tyres and you should be fine, so long as you take into account the variables that snow creates...

Unless you live in areas where you have high levels of snow with untreated roads for more than a few days, I wouldn't worry about the dedicated snow tyres...

cem_devecioglu · « **Reply #5 on:** 02 October 2010, 21:12:01 »

this may give some idea
http://ssl.delti.com/cgi-bin/rshop.pl?suchen=Ordern&cart_id=890721.110.21551&ranzahl=4&Breite=205&Quer=55&Felge=16&Speed=H&Transport=P&dsco=110&sowigan=Wi&Ang_pro_Seite=10&weiter=80

http://ssl.delti.com/cgi-bin/rshop.pl?details=Ordern&cart_id=890721.110.21551&typ=D-111519&ranzahl=4&Breite=205&Quer=55&Felge=16&Speed=H&weiter=90&Ang_pro_Seite=10&Transport=P&dsco=110&sowigan=Wi

cem_devecioglu · « **Reply #6 on:** 02 October 2010, 21:13:52 »

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I found that just normal road tyres handled the snow very well last year... Just make sure that you have suitable tyre tread depth on all the tyres and you should be fine, so long as you take into account the variables that snow creates...

Unless you live in areas where you have high levels of snow with untreated roads for more than a few days, I wouldn't worry about the dedicated snow tyres...

winter tires compound are designed to stay soft even below 7 celcius where as normal summer tires loose grip even without snow.. :-/

cem_devecioglu · « **Reply #7 on:** 02 October 2010, 21:18:34 »

here in my city we generally use them from november to march regardless of snow.. they also grip very good in rain..

Marks DTM Calib · « **Reply #8 on:** 02 October 2010, 21:22:43 »

GET SOME WEIGHT IN THE BOOT.

And set the tyre pressures correctly.

No issues then TBH

cem_devecioglu · « **Reply #9 on:** 02 October 2010, 21:24:00 »

and one for the OOF Continental fans

(really best one

)

http://ssl.delti.com/cgi-bin/rshop.pl?details=Ordern&cart_id=890721.110.21551&typ=R-172355&ranzahl=4&Breite=205&Quer=55&Felge=16&Speed=H&weiter=100&Ang_pro_Seite=10&Transport=P&dsco=110&sowigan=Wi

yorkipud · « **Reply #10 on:** 02 October 2010, 21:25:55 »

thats great thanks very much, got budget tyres on the rears at the moment (times are hard) and the back end steps out very easy in the rain, need to save some penny's me thinks.
thanks again for the info.
Neil

cem_devecioglu · « **Reply #11 on:** 02 October 2010, 21:26:20 »

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GET SOME WEIGHT IN THE BOOT.

And set the tyre pressures correctly.

No issues then TBH

Mr DTM lets race in ice

Ian_D · « **Reply #12 on:** 02 October 2010, 22:44:42 »

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GET SOME WEIGHT IN THE BOOT.

And set the tyre pressures correctly.

No issues then TBH

Full tank of petrol and 5 scrap car batteries in the boot (plus the usual crap), and I was still struggling for grip at times on the flat!

tidla · « **Reply #13 on:** 02 October 2010, 22:52:05 »

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GET SOME WEIGHT IN THE BOOT.

And set the tyre pressures correctly.

No issues then TBH

Mr DTM lets race in ice

im in!!

tyres on the back, i know not!!

(faired well on a frozen lake on my brothers raleigh bomber)

Mr Skrunts · « **Reply #14 on:** 03 October 2010, 00:04:16 »

Sadly if we get severe snow the councel tend to get caught out these days as they dont seem to pre grit amy more so will more likely get caught out in catch up griiting after the snow has fallen and the roads are full.

If I get chance I would like a set of chunkier tread /block pattern if they are are road tyres for all year use as the mormal tyoe are more perfornced and rain related these days. Having had to drive in 4 to 8 inches of snow in the 70/80's I personally would'nt want to be out in my car on it's current tryres in any form of snow.

This is one of my front, the grooves round the radious might help with the snow a little bit in a straight line but not much and no use at all for traction on the rears IMHO

cem_devecioglu · « **Reply #15 on:** 03 October 2010, 09:28:44 »

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Sadly if we get severe snow the councel tend to get caught out these days as they dont seem to pre grit amy more so will more likely get caught out in catch up griiting after the snow has fallen and the roads are full.

If I get chance I would like a set of chunkier tread /block pattern if they are are road tyres for all year use as the mormal tyoe are more perfornced and rain related these days. Having had to drive in 4 to 8 inches of snow in the 70/80's I personally would'nt want to be out in my car on it's current tryres in any form of snow.

This is one of my front, the grooves round the radious might help with the snow a little bit in a straight line but not much and no use at all for traction on the rears IMHO

yep..

you may be able to move forward on a flat surface , but you wont have any brakes.. no movement in any inclination.. and no control in curves ..
been there .. done that.. never again..

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=80f_1266701480

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ba2_1232415987

feeutfo · « **Reply #16 on:** 03 October 2010, 09:48:42 »

If we get snow like last year, over a foot here, then there's a good chance of not arriving at a destination and getting stuck with summer tyres. There where cars and lorries abandoned all over the place...

We just don't normally get winters like they do in Europe though due to the jet stream. Although my summer tyres, sc3, are good in the rain, winter tyres are better....!

Sc3 are shite in snow....

cem_devecioglu · « **Reply #17 on:** 03 October 2010, 10:03:13 »

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If we get snow like last year, over a foot here, then there's a good chance of not arriving at a destination and getting stuck with summer tyres. There where cars and lorries abandoned all over the place...

We just don't normally get winters like they do in Europe though due to the jet stream. Although my summer tyres, sc3, are good in the rain, winter tyres are better....!

Sc3 are shite in snow....

trust me all the best summer tires are desperate..

but what scares me is that you may repair a car damage but there is no repair if you hit a human

Kevin Wood · « **Reply #18 on:** 03 October 2010, 10:34:45 »

Well, tyres weren't the issue this year. Snow was about 2 feet deep on our road and not touched for a couple of days. Once moving I never got stuck (for long). Winter tyres might have helped but how much for a set of tyres that will help you a couple of days a year?

A set of chains might have been handy. Mental note to get some before the panic buying starts.

Kevin

Marks DTM Calib · « **Reply #19 on:** 03 October 2010, 10:58:51 »

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GET SOME WEIGHT IN THE BOOT.

And set the tyre pressures correctly.

No issues then TBH

Mr DTM lets race in ice

Thing is cem, in the Uk we get like 5 days of snow every few years at most, winter tyres is just an expense to far

Sensible and effective driving with some preperation is the key

Grumpy · « **Reply #20 on:** 03 October 2010, 11:11:10 »

If you want to carry some weight over the rear
wheels, the easiest and cheapest way I've found
is to put some cardboard boxes in the boot and fill
them with jerry cans or plastic bottles full of tap water.
If you haven't got any bottles, start saving your
4 pint plastic milk bottles and 2 litre water or pop
bottles now and you'll have more than enough
by December/January.

You can put as much weight as you like in by this
method, and being water it will be quite safe in an
accident. All you'll get is a load of water sloshing about.

cem_devecioglu · « **Reply #21 on:** 03 October 2010, 11:23:25 »

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GET SOME WEIGHT IN THE BOOT.

And set the tyre pressures correctly.

No issues then TBH

Mr DTM lets race in ice

Thing is cem, in the Uk we get like 5 days of snow every few years at most, winter tyres is just an expense to far

Sensible and effective driving with some preperation is the key

yep.. personally if we have only 5 days I too wont go after them.. instead simply use the metro.. but last year when the snow came the municipality resist to grid/salt to roads

for the reason of roads being damaged..

also here in winter some surprise rains come suddenly and after it turns to minus and you get clean ice..
you can guess what happens after :-/

slb · « **Reply #22 on:** 03 October 2010, 11:27:54 »

i had the zz3 type tyers on my 2.5 v6 not sure who made them now and had some wight in my boot and it was fine no worries i got out of trouble may a time with others in there new posh bmws haveing to get help and it all depends on your driveing style too

ballcock50 · « **Reply #23 on:** 03 October 2010, 11:40:59 »

Get a landie as a second vehicle, and have fun green laning in the sunshine as well

(any one want too swap an old disco for my elite estate?

)

scimmy_man · « **Reply #24 on:** 03 October 2010, 11:41:29 »

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If you want to carry some weight over the rear
wheels, the easiest and cheapest way I've found
is to put some cardboard boxes in the boot and fill
them with jerry cans or plastic bottles full of tap water.
If you haven't got any bottles, start saving your
4 pint plastic milk bottles and 2 litre water or pop
bottles now and you'll have more than enough
by December/January.

You can put as much weight as you like in by this
method, and being water it will be quite safe in an
accident. All you'll get is a load of water sloshing about.

the containers must be full and well held down,

any weight slopping around will unbalance the car.

Psychoca · « **Reply #25 on:** 03 October 2010, 13:23:06 »

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If you want to carry some weight over the rear
wheels, the easiest and cheapest way I've found
is to put some cardboard boxes in the boot and fill
them with jerry cans or plastic bottles full of tap water.
If you haven't got any bottles, start saving your
4 pint plastic milk bottles and 2 litre water or pop
bottles now and you'll have more than enough
by December/January.

You can put as much weight as you like in by this
method, and being water it will be quite safe in an
accident. All you'll get is a load of water sloshing about.

the containers must be full and well held down,

any weight slopping around will unbalance the car.

I think I'll stick with a large paving slab 8-).. Probably weighs around the same as a boot full of water and I still have the space in the boot... That said, I also have the shovel and a bag of sand too...

Where I live, the policy is that it is acceptable to drive up to 7 miles to salt treated roads... I only have to drive 4 miles to my nearest treated road and country roads between here and there... If I can get the car out of the drive then in my opinion, the roads are safe to drive on with due care, but, I won't subscribe to the 5mph brigade either...

Lazydocker · « **Reply #26 on:** 03 October 2010, 14:45:34 »

Had very little trouble last winter... Full tank of petrol, full tank of LPG, little extra weight with some tools, shovel, bag of sand and some dishwasher salt

I passed many cars who couldn't move on the roads with no issues, once I managed to clear enough snow around my car to get a run up and the "Plough" effect working on my road as it was well over a foot in places

Still... Must buy some chains this year (just in case)

tunnie · « **Reply #27 on:** 03 October 2010, 14:58:29 »

having a manual does not help, with autos its much easier to put on low amount of power with ice mode set.

I just felt like i was slipping the clutch all the time

:-/

That said, keeping the tank full of motion lotion, and extra weight in the boot (i added some bags of grit) i never got stuck unlike some. Good thing is with RWD you still have steering input when the wheels start to slip

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