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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: STEMO on 10 April 2017, 18:23:00
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I dare say some of you will have seen this already but.......holy shit :o
Coventry drink-drive mum jailed for Peterborough crash
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-39552612
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Shame it didn't kill her. And the little bastid in the back.
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Shame it didn't kill her. And the little bastid in the back.
What?
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Should be shot - in front of her family.
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Shame it didn't kill her. And the little bastid in the back.
Can't choose your parents!
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Shame it didn't kill her. And the little bastid in the back.
A bit over the top with this type of comment >:( The mother deserves all she got but the child does not deserve that comment
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I'm waiting for clarification from Jaime, but if that's meant the way it reads, then it's a f**king disgusting comment. Unbelievable.
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I'm waiting for clarification from Jaime, but if that's meant the way it reads, then it's a f**king disgusting comment. Unbelievable.
+1
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Shame it didn't kill her. And the little bastid in the back.
A bit over the top with this type of comment >:( The mother deserves all she got but the child does not deserve that comment
I could not agree more! A 20 month old child is completely innocent and to wish it to have been killed................!!!!!!! >:( >:(
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Its a good advert though for the safety aspects of the Nissan Cashcow. :)
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Shame it didn't kill her. And the little bastid in the back.
A bit over the top with this type of comment >:( The mother deserves all she got but the child does not deserve that comment
I could not agree more! A 20 month old child is completely innocent and to wish it to have been killed................!!!!!!! >:( >:(
The last time something like this came up I ended up leaving . . . . .
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Shame it didn't kill her. And the little bastid in the back.
A bit over the top with this type of comment >:( The mother deserves all she got but the child does not deserve that comment
I was just thinking the same thing actually ........
I could not agree more! A 20 month old child is completely innocent and to wish it to have been killed................!!!!!!! >:( >:(
The last time something like this came up I ended up leaving . . . . .
I was thinking the same actually .....
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I might join again. ;D
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Shame it didn't kill her. And the little bastid in the back.
A bit over the top with this type of comment >:( The mother deserves all she got but the child does not deserve that comment
I was just thinking the same thing actually ........
I could not agree more! A 20 month old child is completely innocent and to wish it to have been killed................!!!!!!! >:( >:(
The last time something like this came up I ended up leaving . . . . .
I was thinking the same actually .....
+1 >:( >:(
Im quite disgusted at that comment i think an apology is in order
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Quick disgusted of Tunbridge wells, be along soon, or ring 0800 get a grip, I think I've been offend. :P
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Can't believe that comment😞
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Hardly the comment i would have expected from a respected administrator. :o
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Frangible
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Frangible
Opps it, wrong thread :D
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Poor little boy deserved a better mum and a certain
insensitive admin with his comments on here. :(
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Inappropriate or not, children cannot choose their parents, but early signs would suggest that that
little bastid poor sods life is pretty much doomed... In which case he might have been better off freed from this existence. Obviously I would hope that it will go on to great things, but unfortunately the reality is likely to be the opposite :'(
I would like to think that was the gist of TBs rather abrupt post rather than the way it reads...
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Inappropriate or not, children cannot choose their parents, but early signs would suggest that that little bastid poor sods life is pretty much doomed... In which case he might have been better off freed from this existence. Obviously I would hope that it will go on to great things, but unfortunately the reality is likely to be the opposite :'(
I would like to think that was the gist of TBs rather abrupt post rather than the way it reads...
That's as maybe - however, I'd really like to hear it from the admin directly rather than somebody else's interpretation of what he might have meant. :-X
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Fair comment.
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Should be shot - in front of her family.
What have her family done to deserve that?
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Well, they did produce and presumably raise her. In the event that they are decent folk who don't deserve that, I would be happy to shoot her in front of my family. :y :D
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Just thank God she took no innocent persons life, have not read the article but in my opinion she should receive a ban for life, probably the worst bit of driving I have ever seen.
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I dare say some of you will have seen this already but.......holy shit :o
Coventry drink-drive mum jailed for Peterborough crash
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-39552612
Jeez, I'd read about it but hadn't seen the video. :o
It says she was going to a 'wake', it was very nearly her own. :o Very lucky that the outcome wasn't much worse.
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She thought she was Bo Duke? :o
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I witnessed a driver do almost the same thing in a Saab 9000 about 6 months ago. Not due to alcohol - not sure what happened but he was in his senior years with a few chronic medical conditions, so could have blacked out. Just didn't appear to register the fact that there was a roundabout ahead. :-\
He was talking and seemed OK by the time the paramedics took him away so hopefully made a full recovery. I doubt his SAAB did.
He missed a large tree on the roundabout by a few inches. Impact with that would have changed the outcome for the worst.
The best outcome for the young lad would be to be raised by someone a bit more responsible instead, IMHO, but that's probably not going to happen.
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Inappropriate or not, children cannot choose their parents, but early signs would suggest that that little bastid poor sods life is pretty much doomed... In which case he might have been better off freed from this existence. Obviously I would hope that it will go on to great things, but unfortunately the reality is likely to be the opposite :'(
I would like to think that was the gist of TBs rather abrupt post rather than the way it reads...
Probably not. More likely seen as part of the "mass cull"
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I witnessed a driver do almost the same thing in a Saab 9000 about 6 months ago. Not due to alcohol - not sure what happened but he was in his senior years with a few chronic medical conditions, so could have blacked out. Just didn't appear to register the fact that there was a roundabout ahead. :-\
He was talking and seemed OK by the time the paramedics took him away so hopefully made a full recovery. I doubt his SAAB did.
He missed a large tree on the roundabout by a few inches. Impact with that would have changed the outcome for the worst.
The best outcome for the young lad would be to be raised by someone a bit more responsible instead, IMHO, but that's probably not going to happen.
Well a Saab of that age got a decent send off :o
Can't say I've seen a 9000 on the road for some time.
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OK confession time..... :-[ ::) I did a similar thing about 20 years ago driving home from a bar at about 4am..... :D
I was staying with friends who lived in Barbados and my mate and I went out for a 'few' beers and as driving after a few was acceptable there at that time, I was designated driver of the Suzuki jeep. ::)
On the way home we came across a roundabout with a big hump on it and I said " Do you reckon we can get over that? " my mate said " Only one way to find out " So as the hump was quite steep I dropped it into low range and up and over we went, quite slowly I might add! And on our merry way we went laughing like drains! ;D
Next day we drove by the roundabout and saw these obvious tracks going over the roundabout and my mate said " Some pillock has driven over the....... " we looked at each other and the memories flooded back " Ooooo that was us! " :o ::) ;D Very funny at the time, but obviously totally unacceptable behaviour in this day and age. ;)
I await my ritual crucifixion! :)
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I have done it sober... ok, no where near as spectacularly, but five points and a £400 fines worth...
Fair to say that I don't plan on having kids anytime soon...
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In my line of work I see the horrific consequences of drink driving more so than most, and for the record I do think drink-driving (along with many other offences) is inexcusable.
With that said, I don't think we can categorically say that, because this woman has done what she's done, she is inherently "bad" - and certainly can't say that she (and her innocent kids) need to be killed or removed from the gene pool, based on the information contained in what is basically a newspaper clip.
For all we know this woman may have been a hard working, and until this point, law abiding and careful mother, who for the first time in her life has made a monumental mistake, perhaps with underlying tragedy as a contributing factor, and will never do so again. In this case, the sentence is probably quite appropriate. We must remember that we only have what is printed in the paper, and don't have all the facts upon which the magistrates would have decided this case.
I don't like the comment either, but it may of course be that TB is joking, and that his comment is simply dark humour.
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She was more than 3 times over the drink drive limit, with an empty vodka bottle (as well as her baby) in the car. She refused to give a breath test and had to have blood taken. No excuse, no mitigation, no sympathy if she had left the scene in a body bag.
The sentence will automatically be halved anyway, so the headline figure is meaningless.
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There's a huge difference between "no sympathy if she died" and "should be shot in front of her family"
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Some of the extreme views on justice and the prevalent vigilante type comments on this forum never cease to amaze me
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In my student days I was coming back late to Nottingham down the 610 dual carriageway. My mate was driving his mini. We must have both been asleep as he drove straight over a roundabout at the speed limit. No damage to the car and we never hit a single thing despite there being a zillion signs and posts and light standards etc. Still can't believe it after all these years. Just tiredness. Neither of us drank drived.
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There's a huge difference between "no sympathy if she died" and "should be shot in front of her family"
No need to take everything completely literally at all times. ;)
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Some of the extreme views on justice and the prevalent vigilante type comments on this forum never cease to amaze me
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The reason the views on law and justice seem to be getting extreme on most forums, is the public are getting sick to the back teeth, of do-gooders, the human rights act and other soft touches being dealt out to people who break the law, and nothing happens to them, weather they be UK nationals or immigrants, it is what is causing a lot more Right wing views across Europe.
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There's a huge difference between "no sympathy if she died" and "should be shot in front of her family"
No need to take everything completely literally at all times. ;)
So are you saying that when she's shot, it should or shouldn't be in front of her family? I'm confused... ::)
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I mentioned both her family and mine, so either or neither. I'm not fussy really. :y ;D
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The fact that this woman was so drunk that she drove across a roundabout, putting herself and others at risk of death or serious injury, maybe merited the sentence she got. The fact that she had a 20 month old child in the back should have at least doubled the sentence, in my opinion.
James was saying that there may be mitigating circumstances. If there were, then the pre-sentencing reports would have brought these to light and have been made known to the beak.
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The fact that this woman was so drunk that she drove across a roundabout, putting herself and others at risk of death or serious injury, maybe merited the sentence she got. The fact that she had a 20 month old child in the back should have at least doubled the sentence, in my opinion.
James was saying that there may be mitigating circumstances. If there were, then the pre-sentencing reports would have brought these to light and have been made known to the beak.
There we go,
O she had a bad day at the office, or it was ladies problems, or some other excuse, god made me do it. NO you don't do it simple as, Commit the crime do the time,
I'm no saint, but I know you do something wrong, theres a penalty, maybe the death penalty.
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James was saying that there may be mitigating circumstances. If there were, then the pre-sentencing reports would have brought these to light and have been made known to the beak.
The reality is, none of us will be privy to the full information. I'm not saying she shouldn't be dealt with or sent to prison. I'm pleased she has.
The main point I was trying to make is that I don't believe it's right or proportional to wish her / her passenger dead :y
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James was saying that there may be mitigating circumstances. If there were, then the pre-sentencing reports would have brought these to light and have been made known to the beak.
The reality is, none of us will be privy to the full information. I'm not saying she shouldn't be dealt with or sent to prison. I'm pleased she has. and then deported
My feelings
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James was saying that there may be mitigating circumstances. If there were, then the pre-sentencing reports would have brought these to light and have been made known to the beak.
The reality is, none of us will be privy to the full information. I'm not saying she shouldn't be dealt with or sent to prison. I'm pleased she has.
The main point I was trying to make is that I don't believe it's right or proportional to wish her / her passenger dead :y
I think you'll find I stated my point of view on that at the beginning of the thread.
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James was saying that there may be mitigating circumstances. If there were, then the pre-sentencing reports would have brought these to light and have been made known to the beak.
The reality is, none of us will be privy to the full information. I'm not saying she shouldn't be dealt with or sent to prison. I'm pleased she has.
The main point I was trying to make is that I don't believe it's right or proportional to wish her / her passenger dead :y
I think you'll find I stated my point of view on that at the beginning of the thread.
I noticed :y
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James was saying that there may be mitigating circumstances. If there were, then the pre-sentencing reports would have brought these to light and have been made known to the beak.
The reality is, none of us will be privy to the full information. I'm not saying she shouldn't be dealt with or sent to prison. I'm pleased she has. and then deported
My feelings
Deported to where? I can't see in the article that she isn't a British citizen?
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James was saying that there may be mitigating circumstances. If there were, then the pre-sentencing reports would have brought these to light and have been made known to the beak.
The reality is, none of us will be privy to the full information. I'm not saying she shouldn't be dealt with or sent to prison. I'm pleased she has. and then deported
My feelings
Deported to where? I can't see in the article that she isn't a British citizen?
The Australian's have been doing it for years with people who, become citizens, commit crime and if the court decides you get sent back to your country of birth/origin. If that was allowed here be more room in prisons and some might think twice before committing a crime.
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James was saying that there may be mitigating circumstances. If there were, then the pre-sentencing reports would have brought these to light and have been made known to the beak.
The reality is, none of us will be privy to the full information. I'm not saying she shouldn't be dealt with or sent to prison. I'm pleased she has. and then deported
My feelings
Deported to where? I can't see in the article that she isn't a British citizen?
;D
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James was saying that there may be mitigating circumstances. If there were, then the pre-sentencing reports would have brought these to light and have been made known to the beak.
The reality is, none of us will be privy to the full information. I'm not saying she shouldn't be dealt with or sent to prison. I'm pleased she has. and then deported
My feelings
Deported to where? I can't see in the article that she isn't a British citizen?
;D
What's so funny? Is it because she's black or has an African name?
That doesn't mean she is an immigrant or that she wasn't born a U.K. citizen?
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There was a longer post, it disappeared,can't see wat happened :o
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James was saying that there may be mitigating circumstances. If there were, then the pre-sentencing reports would have brought these to light and have been made known to the beak.
The reality is, none of us will be privy to the full information. I'm not saying she shouldn't be dealt with or sent to prison. I'm pleased she has. and then deported
My feelings
Deported to where? I can't see in the article that she isn't a British citizen?
The Australian's have been doing it for years with people who, become citizens, commit crime and if the court decides you get sent back to your country of birth/origin. If that was allowed here be more room in prisons and some might think twice before committing a crime.
R not aimed at.
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I'm just smiling, that's all. I'm allowed to.
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James was saying that there may be mitigating circumstances. If there were, then the pre-sentencing reports would have brought these to light and have been made known to the beak.
The reality is, none of us will be privy to the full information. I'm not saying she shouldn't be dealt with or sent to prison. I'm pleased she has. and then deported
My feelings
Deported to where? I can't see in the article that she isn't a British citizen?
The Australian's have been doing it for years with people who, become citizens, commit crime and if the court decides you get sent back to your country of birth/origin. If that was allowed here be more room in prisons and some might think twice before committing a crime.
Two points here:
1) No one is ever going to be deported for drunk driving, and
2) We're not Australian.
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There was a longer post, it disappeared,can't see wat happened :o
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I'm just smiling, that's all. I'm allowed to.
Fair enough.
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Some of the extreme views on justice and the prevalent vigilante type comments on this forum never cease to amaze me
Indeed! :y :y :y
Always remember this:
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you".
;)
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James was saying that there may be mitigating circumstances. If there were, then the pre-sentencing reports would have brought these to light and have been made known to the beak.
The reality is, none of us will be privy to the full information. I'm not saying she shouldn't be dealt with or sent to prison. I'm pleased she has. and then deported
My feelings
Deported to where? I can't see in the article that she isn't a British citizen?
The Australian's have been doing it for years with people who, become citizens, commit crime and if the court decides you get sent back to your country of birth/origin. If that was allowed here be more room in prisons and some might think twice before committing a crime.
Two points here:
1) No one is ever going to be deported for drunk driving, and
2) We're not Australian.
No were not, but they do what we should be doing, on crime, and immigration.
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Some of the extreme views on justice and the prevalent vigilante type comments on this forum never cease to amaze me
Indeed! :y :y :y
Always remember this:
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you".
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Hmmmm........I prefer 'Do onto others before they do onto you'. I think that's right. :-\
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James was saying that there may be mitigating circumstances. If there were, then the pre-sentencing reports would have brought these to light and have been made known to the beak.
The reality is, none of us will be privy to the full information. I'm not saying she shouldn't be dealt with or sent to prison. I'm pleased she has. and then deported
My feelings
Deported to where? I can't see in the article that she isn't a British citizen?
The Australian's have been doing it for years with people who, become citizens, commit crime and if the court decides you get sent back to your country of birth/origin. If that was allowed here be more room in prisons and some might think twice before committing a crime.
Two points here:
1) No one is ever going to be deported for drunk driving, and
2) We're not Australian.
No were not, but they do what we should be doing, on crime, and immigration.
Emigration is always an option......please :)
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Blimey, some people take a light hearted, throw away comment a little bit too seriously sometimes.
However, now you've all made me think harder by it, we all know right from wrong, and being 3 times over the limit and driving a tank isn't a 'mistake', or even just 'stupid'. Its retarded beyond all comprehension. No point taking the licence away, as the individual concerned must have known what she was doing, so would probably drive anyway, knowing there is little chance of getting caught. And I would suspect its incredibly likely that this isn't the first time, just the first time caught. So, an ideal candidate for the mass cull.
How, in order to not pander to the namby pambies that current society gets all goo-ey over, what to do with the child on the back seat? In a previous life, I had multiple jobs that involved dealing with all walks of life, and from that experience, I have learnt that scum breeds scum. If the parents have no respect for right or wrong, how do you expect an impressional child to respond?
So, what was nothing more than a purposeful albeit light hearted but knowingly controversial comment, has made me think if I should have been serious when I said it :P.
Now, if anybody is offended, that's their privilege. Its not intended. Just remember I am offended by do-gooders. I'm offended by breast feeding in public. I'm offended by screaming kids or unruly kids if its inappropriate for the environment. I'm offended when scum kids dig up bits of my drive or damage my property and I am the one in the wrong from manhandling the little shits back to their scum parents. I'm offended by receiving nothing but verbal, and being threatened with physical abuse from the scum dad of the little shit I caught stealing from me.
But what I'm really offended by is people calling me "admin". My name here is some variant of TheBoy, except when Mr DTM finds out a little secret about when I wore girl's tights - but that's a story for another day :-[. But I occasionally get called "admin" as if I carry more weight, or am somehow more important than some others. I don't and I ain't. And I'm subject to the same moderation rules and warnings as everyone else. Christ, we've spend nearly 11yrs stating here that everyone is equal.
There you go, make of that what you will. Go chew the fat on that. Daily Mail/BBC fans, feel free to show your outrage. I might not see the replies though, as you can see from above, I'm easily offended.
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James was saying that there may be mitigating circumstances. If there were, then the pre-sentencing reports would have brought these to light and have been made known to the beak.
The reality is, none of us will be privy to the full information. I'm not saying she shouldn't be dealt with or sent to prison. I'm pleased she has. and then deported
My feelings
Deported to where? I can't see in the article that she isn't a British citizen?
The Australian's have been doing it for years with people who, become citizens, commit crime and if the court decides you get sent back to your country of birth/origin. If that was allowed here be more room in prisons and some might think twice before committing a crime.
Two points here:
1) No one is ever going to be deported for drunk driving, and
2) We're not Australian.
No were not, but they do what we should be doing, on crime, and immigration.
Emigration is always an option......please :)
Where you going?
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And that took about 10mins to post, as every time I hit the button, I got the dialogue that somebody had replied again ;D
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There you go, make of that what you will. Go chew the fat on that. Daily Mail/BBC fans, feel free to show your outrage. I might not see the replies though, as you can see from above, I'm easily offended.
Jeez you're such a bleddy snowflake! :o :D ;D
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There you go, make of that what you will. Go chew the fat on that. Daily Mail/BBC fans, feel free to show your outrage. I might not see the replies though, as you can see from above, I'm easily offended.
Jeez you're such a bleddy snowflake! :o :D ;D
He doesn't even live in Tunbridge Wells
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....except when Mr DTM finds out a little secret about when I wore girl's tights - but that's a story for another day.....
It's not what everyone thinks.... Found this old picture of TB in a previous career
(http://www.aveleyman.com/Gallery/ActorsF/tve22497-19750320-331.gif)
All seventies bank robbers needed a wire man!
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I'm offended by receiving nothing but verbal, and being threatened with physical abuse from the scum dad of the little shit I caught stealing from me................
That's because you grew up in the posh part of Aylesbury, you're not hardened to it. ;) ;D
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Guessing she isn't local, regardless of passport, as it was reported in
Rhodesia Zimbabwe ::)
An example or two of the comments on their page, just in case it was considered that people here are opinionated bigots...
Lets go to Uganda and Rwanda guys, they still have beautiful (at heart) and marriable (in truth) women, not these Zimbabwean Beijing Mentality women spoiling themselves with drink and infidelity.
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I totally agree. My fellow sisters are only known for
Twerking in the streets
Having babies with different fathers
Populating western prisons
Black boys using knives
Wearing expensive hair hats
Being extremely obese
Always being at school because kids are misbehaving
The black race needs to check itself and correct mistakes.
Meantime, some of our men go round preaching
"Black Lives Matter"
When they are not wearing condoms when with these single mothers, and therefore helping to make the matter a lot worse.
Please men, when having sex with a girl who already has a child by a man/men who left her, wear condoms because you will leave her too and you really do not want your child to be brought up by such an irresponsible mother.
She should have already had a free and sterilisation but NO, she is still having babies.
For this one in UK, this was not an accident at all. It was the objective.
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Christ, can you imagine if they (who I am assuming are not white) posted views like that in America? They'd find themselves on the wrong end of a bullet from some
activistnutter, I'm sure.
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So....that's two posts in this thread that say 'If you think we're bad, look at them'. I suppose Robert Mugabe could have said 'If you think I'm bad, look at Hitler'.
Doesn't work for me.
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So....that's two posts in this thread that say 'If you think we're bad, look at them'. I suppose Robert Mugabe could have said 'If you think I'm bad, look at Hitler'.
Doesn't work for me.
Quite. As the saying goes " two wrongs don't make a right"
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So....that's two posts in this thread that say 'If you think we're bad, look at them'. I suppose Robert Mugabe could have said 'If you think I'm bad, look at Hitler'.
Doesn't work for me.
Comparing anything to Hitler seems to be very bad form these days as Ken Livingstone and Sean Spicer will tell you. ::) ;D
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So....that's two posts in this thread that say 'If you think we're bad, look at them'. I suppose Robert Mugabe could have said 'If you think I'm bad, look at Hitler'.
Doesn't work for me.
Comparing anything to Hitler seems to be very bad form these days as Ken Livingstone and Sean Spicer will tell you. ::) ;D
Cut him some slack. The lad only had one ball. :)
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The from which those comments came...
The story is actually well reported, some of the comments... well...
http://www.newzimbabwe.com/news-35651-UK+Mum+crashes+car+while+sipping+vodka/news.aspx
And for balance, the Kiwi perspective...
http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/91434361/drunk-mum-in-spectacular-crash-with-had-toddler-in-back-of-suv
And if anyone doubts the enormity of what this woman did, her blood alcohol reading of three times the limit was from five hours after the crash...
That's FIVE HOURS :o
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And yet, she will be allowed back on the road after her ban period is up.......
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So....that's two posts in this thread that say 'If you think we're bad, look at them'. I suppose Robert Mugabe could have said 'If you think I'm bad, look at Hitler'.
Doesn't work for me.
Comparing anything to Hitler seems to be very bad form these days as Ken Livingstone and Sean Spicer will tell you. ::) ;D
Cut him some slack. The lad only had one ball. :)
So in todays looney leftie,poor thing world, Mr Hitler has a disadvantage, and would be found not guilty due to being deformed,
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That's FIVE HOURS :o
NO NEED TO SHOUT! ::)
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And for balance, the Kiwi perspective...
http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/91434361/drunk-mum-in-spectacular-crash-with-had-toddler-in-back-of-suv
new zealand is a very strange country
"Hamilton, in a 1995 BMW, hit Richardon from behind about 7.30pm on August 6 as Richardon was cycling home on the Springston-Leeston road.
He stopped his car but did not get out and did not alert emergency services. He had been drinking beer since 2.30pm that day and had consumed 10 "pints of Steinlager" at the Rock Restaurant and Bar in Rolleston before staff refused to serve him about 6.30pm. He was seen staggering as he left the pub. He and his brother then went and bought more alcohol.
Hamilton hit Richardon about 1.5 kilometres from his home on a straight piece of road. The victim was wearing a reflective jacket, a cycle helmet and had a flashing rear tail light. Police were able to trace Hamilton quickly because his front number plate was torn off in the collision and left at the accident scene. He told police he had panicked because he had been drinking and his car's warrant of fitness had expired.
An evidential breath alcohol test taken after 11pm returned a reading of 661 micrograms per litre of breath. The legal limit is 400mcg a litre. " (uk limit 350)
= 11 months home detention and a hug. plus the state then stops widow's pension benefit. http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3305318/Victims-widow-kisses-hugs-drunk-driver
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So....that's two posts in this thread that say 'If you think we're bad, look at them'. I suppose Robert Mugabe could have said 'If you think I'm bad, look at Hitler'.
Doesn't work for me.
Comparing anything to Hitler seems to be very bad form these days as Ken Livingstone and Sean Spicer will tell you. ::) ;D
Godwin's Law at work https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
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So....that's two posts in this thread that say 'If you think we're bad, look at them'. I suppose Robert Mugabe could have said 'If you think I'm bad, look at Hitler'.
Doesn't work for me.
Quite. As the saying goes " two wrongs don't make a right"
I have often wondered about that saying which I certainly grew up with. As an historian I have noted many instances, especially during the World Wars, when perhaps two actions did actually achieve good and justified the wrongs. The Machiavellian belief that the ends justifies the means is a counter interpretation of the other. The mass bombing of Germany and in particular the dropping of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki atomic bombs are just two examples, yes hotly debated still, but much good came out of it. The destruction of Nazi Germany and the "persuasive tactic" to halt the Japanese war madness saved millions of lives. ;)
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I'm offended by receiving nothing but verbal, and being threatened with physical abuse from the scum dad of the little shit I caught stealing from me................
That's because you grew up in the posh part of Aylesbury, you're not hardened to it. ;) ;D
I grew up on Bedgrove in the 70s and 80s, spent late 80s and very early 90s in Elmhurst, then bought my first house in Southcourt.
I think old skool Aylesburians can see which way my life was leading ;D
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Hmmmm... ...shall I/shan't I :P
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Do and you're being spiteful, don't and you're gay...
Man up and do your worst ;)
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Shame it didn't kill her. And the little bastid in the back.
I'm Faux-Offended.
Pronounced with a lisp, this might come out like So Offended.
Some people do wanna get a grip. I'm properly offended that this place isn't more relaxed with off the cuff and (in my very humble opinion) trivial comments.
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Shame it didn't kill her. And the little bastid in the back.
I'm Faux-Offended.
Pronounced with a lisp, this might come out like So Offended.
Some people do wanna get a grip. I'm properly offended that this place isn't more relaxed with off the cuff and (in my very humble opinion) trivial comments.
Well...if you're offended...piss off :)
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the "persuasive tactic" to halt the Japanese war madness saved millions of lives. ;)
And the prize for understatement of the year goes to..
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the "persuasive tactic" to halt the Japanese war madness saved millions of lives. ;)
And the prize for understatement of the year goes to..
it is debatable see http://www.historyextra.com/feature/second-world-war/was-us-justified-dropping-atomic-bombs-hiroshima-and-nagasaki-during-second
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the "persuasive tactic" to halt the Japanese war madness saved millions of lives. ;)
And the prize for understatement of the year goes to..
it is debatable see http://www.historyextra.com/feature/second-world-war/was-us-justified-dropping-atomic-bombs-hiroshima-and-nagasaki-during-second
I stated " yes hotly debated still" in my original piece, and they are. Historians are divided, but the very distinguished, highly respected, Sir Max Hastings is one that has calculated the German effort was handicapped by up to 10% of it's war production and general effectiveness, thus shortening the war and reducing the final death total. With the atomic bombs, that is something else. It is hotly debated by many as it was, and still is, highly controversial. No one can hide away from the fact that they were not only designed to stop the Japanese, by then, in a suicidal drive to win their war, but (mainly?) the Americans stamping their authority on the World; stating clearly they were now the super power and everyone had to recognise that. It was now the American century.
But that was no more in it's principle of the previous super power, the British Empire, having more dreadnoughts than any other nation, and being able to exert their will on all by just sending one of those ships to a foreign port.
Personally, to nail my flag to the mast, after reading much on these subjects, support the notion that it WAS justified. Both Germany and Japan had to be flattened to bring the war to an end, as the leaders of both were bent on a policy of Victory or death, with even Hitler branding all German people as traitors and cowards as they failed to halt the Russian onslaught from the East. The war lords of Japan had a similar attitude to Victory at all costs, and would not have stopped without being stopped. That is what I mean by the means justifying the ends; two wrongs actually making a right. We, in the West, live in freedom because of it.
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We seem to have strayed somewhat from the OP - don't we?
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We seem to have strayed somewhat from the OP - don't we?
Just a tad ;D
I must learn to keep my gob shut ::)
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We always did stray on this Forum.. It what makes it all worthwhile and we learn a lot ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)