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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Rods2 on 02 January 2018, 11:11:19
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/cars/article-5206115/Most-reliable-small-cars.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/cars/article-5206115/Most-reliable-small-cars.html)
The Renault Modus in a Nissan Note disguise is the most unreliable. Who would of thought it? ::) ::) ::)
Jaguar as a brand is well down the list, so I guess it is a 'good' replacement for ex-Omega owners! :o :o :o
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The major car manufacturers have been making vehicles for long enough now to get it right, surely, and engineer a worthy product? No excuse for unreliability with modern materials and techniques.
Ron.
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The major car manufacturers have been making vehicles for long enough now to get it right, surely, and engineer a worthy product? No excuse for unreliability with modern materials and techniques.
Ron.
That would be true if they weren't constantly trying to make things cheaper and more appeasing of the tree-huggers. ;)
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The major car manufacturers have been making vehicles for long enough now to get it right, surely, and engineer a worthy product? No excuse for unreliability with modern materials and techniques.
Ron.
That would be true if they weren't constantly trying to make things cheaper and more appeasing of the tree-huggers. ;)
I was going to say - I'm sure an engineer could design a reliable car; except they're not designed by engineers or designers but committees of bean counters..
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The major car manufacturers have been making vehicles for long enough now to get it right, surely, and engineer a worthy product? No excuse for unreliability with modern materials and techniques.
Ron.
You'd hope, but its doubtful imho. Taking one specific example, both the x-type and XJ X350 had a problem with water ingress into the boot, via the rear light clusters if I remember correctly. Spin forward to 2014 and my then boss was deprived of his facelifted XF for a week and (other than for his warranty) would have had a nearly £1500 bill for.... water ingress into the boot via the rear light clusters ::).
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Isnt there a good revenue stream from building unreliable cars? . People will always buy on price rather than some reliability table.
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Isnt there a good revenue stream from building unreliable cars? . People will always buy on price rather than some reliability table.
Reliability your main concern? Buy a Toyota.
If you want almost as good a record for a bit less, buy one of the Korean marques.
The fancier the car, the less reliable it's likely to be.
Any questions?
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Any questions?
Does that include SsangYong? (Mercedes for the blind or a five year old Mercedes redesigned by a toddler ;D)
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Every full time mechanic who I consider worth the name says the same thing. "If you want a car that wont break down, buy a Toyota".
Ive never owned one, so cant verify it, but I expect there must be something in it.
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Any questions?
Does that include SsangYong? (Mercedes for the blind or a five year old Mercedes redesigned by a toddler ;D )
The more recent ones aren't. And would you really want old Merc bits thrown together by a budget manufacturer?
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Every full time mechanic who I consider worth the name says the same thing. "If you want a car that wont break down, buy a Toyota".
Ive never owned one, so cant verify it, but I expect there must be something in it.
Except for all the 1ZZ-FE* powered ones that suffered catastrophic engine failure, they're dead reliable ;)
*MR2 Roadster, Celica, Corolla, Yaris IIRC. Seemed worse on the Roadster, theory was that the increased oil consumption caused the pre-CATs to fail more quickly on those due to physical location closer to the cylinders.
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Toyota at 86% reliability.
If my old F reg 1.6 Carina II Estate, that I had from 2002 to 2005 when I returned to the Omega fold, is anything to go by I am not surprised. That old car which I fully maintained and drove for 60K miles, which already had 125k on the clock, NEVER let me down. Started every time, and reached speeds that meant I could keep pace with the best on the motorways. Great to work on, and spares readily available at a good price for me through a friendly local dealers parts manager. It even gave me back a profit of £50, over the purchase price of £300, when I sold it.
If I had the money/need to run multiple vehicles, a Toyota would be one of them :y
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I see Ford are fairly high on the list....which isn't surprising to me....as my Mondeo has been reliable :y
I am looking to swap it out tho......for a 2L diesel as my current one, a 1.6L, is gonna struggle with a tow bar on the back...
I am looking at a 2L at the moment, but it has a semi autobox in it......not sure how reliable these boxes are :-\ and will it protest towing :-\
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I see Ford are fairly high on the list....which isn't surprising to me....as my Mondeo has been reliable :y
I am looking to swap it out tho......for a 2L diesel as my current one, a 1.6L, is gonna struggle with a tow bar on the back...
I am looking at a 2L at the moment, but it has a semi autobox in it......not sure how reliable these boxes are :-\ and will it protest towing :-\
The dry clutch ones on the smaller engines are utter wank, the wet clutch ones on the larger power plants better......but towing is any bodies guess.
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The dry clutch ones on the smaller engines are utter wank, .......
That's the Powershitshift isn't it?
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Every full time mechanic who I consider worth the name says the same thing. "If you want a car that wont break down, buy a Toyota".
Ive never owned one, so cant verify it, but I expect there must be something in it.
I think that's a hangover from the early 90s. Modern ones are every bit as tosh as every other car, going by the PoS Mrs TB's dad is having repaired almost monthly, a colleague's company car (though I suspect half of that is down to dealer incompetence), and a friend's little Aygo. And their diesels are guaranteed to get horrifically expensive at around 70-80k
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/cars/article-5206115/Most-reliable-small-cars.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/cars/article-5206115/Most-reliable-small-cars.html)
The Renault Modus in a Nissan Note disguise is the most unreliable. Who would of thought it? ::) ::) ::)
Jaguar as a brand is well down the list, so I guess it is a 'good' replacement for ex-Omega owners! :o :o :o
a) I would not believe anything from the Fail
b) Last time I checked, Jag don't do a small car
Jaguar has a reliability image problem from yesteryear, not helped by Ford's financial issues more recently. But, ironically, since the Indians have taken over, I think they (and sister LR) have pretty much got on top of the issues (and have the stats to show that). Yes, any luxury high technology car will have lots of electrical type issues (ask any 7 series owner), but good reliability was one of the factors for Jag to be on my list :).
As it happened, there wasn't a lot of other choices, as I'd ruled out BMW for personal reasons, ruled out Mercedes until such time as they are able to properly design a car again, ruled out Lexus for being either too small or because I'm too young. So that kinda left Jag or a hideous looking Datsun clone ;D
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Rover, pre BMW, were the first major manufacturer to start doing proper analysis of warranty claims. In the BMW era, that eventually worked its way into LR (and clear benefits seen by the hugely improved reliability of the L322 over the P38), and when LR was sold to PAG, that mentality crossed over into Jag (and other PAG brands except Volvo (a law unto themselves - a reason I'd never have a Volvo), such as the 2008 Mundano). The improvements to reliability started to show in the 2007 X358 XJ, and others launched post that time, such as the 2010 X351 XJ, the mid facelifted XF from 2011, and the newer XE, new XF etc.
Granted, the F-type suffered "thermal events" pre launch... ...very similar to the "thermal events" of a very soon to be released car beginning with M :-X
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I'm unfamiliar with the Toyota range; should the day arrive when my beloved Omega dies, what is their equivalent to my 2.6 petrol automatic, preferably estate, and as gutsy? Suggestions please.....
Ron.
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I'm unfamiliar with the Toyota range; should the day arrive when my beloved Omega dies, what is their equivalent to my 2.6 petrol automatic, preferably estate, and as gutsy? Suggestions please.....
Ron.
Here you go Ron, a nice little Toyota Avensis estate. Dull as dish water, but it's probably got plenty of life left in it, if all you want is something to get around in. ;) One lady owner..... Maureen..... ;D
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TOYOTA-AVENSIS-T4-2-2-D4D-DIESEL-ESTATE-FULL-SERVICE-HISTORY-AUGUST-2018-MOT/182951014449?hash=item2a98baf031:g:Kq0AAOSwdx1aKXon
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I'm unfamiliar with the Toyota range; should the day arrive when my beloved Omega dies, what is their equivalent to my 2.6 petrol automatic, preferably estate, and as gutsy? Suggestions please.....
Ron.
Merc E class is the first that springs to mind. But you'd have to be mental, unless you needed that load carrying.
Nowadays, it will otherwise have to be one of those gay crossovers.
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I'm unfamiliar with the Toyota range; should the day arrive when my beloved Omega dies, what is their equivalent to my 2.6 petrol automatic, preferably estate, and as gutsy? Suggestions please.....
Ron.
Here you go Ron, a nice little Toyota Avensis estate. Dull as dish water, but it's probably got plenty of life left in it, if all you want is something to get around in. ;) One lady owner..... Maureen..... ;D
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TOYOTA-AVENSIS-T4-2-2-D4D-DIESEL-ESTATE-FULL-SERVICE-HISTORY-AUGUST-2018-MOT/182951014449?hash=item2a98baf031:g:Kq0AAOSwdx1aKXon
Ooooo, 144k Toyota diesel, that's gonna hurt the wallet.
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You always look on the bright side. :D ;D
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Whereas my Omega leaves my wallet full to overflowing, TB? ::)
Ron.
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You always look on the bright side. :D ;D
Sorry, too many close to me have been burnt by Toyota d4d engines.
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Whereas my Omega leaves my wallet full to overflowing, TB? ::)
Ron.
In the 14.5yrs I owned my beloved Silver Bullet, I would have to say that fuel aside, it was one of the cheapest cars to run that I've owned. Add in depreciation, even including fuel, it was the cheapest...
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Ok, maybe I was being a little harsh there; it is a 17 year old car now and I've owned it for the last ten of them. But for the help of OOF members and the Saintly Serek, it would have been bean tins long ago, though, so many thanks, gents, for keeping it alive.
It would be nice not to have to keep giving it presents and TLC, though!
Ron.
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Eldest daughter is on her 2nd Aygo[petrol]and loves them,but in fairness it does suit her short town hop driving.Son-in-law[her husband]is on his 2nd Auris hybrid and loves those :o Other son-in-law had an Ultima[?]diesel-import version of Previa anyway-that thing was a total pile of cack!I once had a late '70's[I think]2L Cressida saloon,I think that was built of rust and body filler ;D it was pretty comfy,had a reasonable turn of speed for what it was and mechanically it just wouldn't die,but it was so,so boring to drive it had no "soul" :-[
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The dry clutch ones on the smaller engines are utter wank, .......
That's the Powershitshift isn't it?
It is indeed, even the wet clutch ones need regular fluid changes to keep them going. :-[
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The dry clutch ones on the smaller engines are utter wank, .......
That's the Powershitshift isn't it?
It is indeed, even the wet clutch ones need regular fluid changes t keep them going. :-[
So is the fabled VW DSG actually any better? The only one I've driven years ago was in a Passat, & it didn't do anything for me ..... and I drive a Smart Fortwo to work every day ::)
I'd be reluctant to tow anything substantial with any automated manual.
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Its basically Getrags equivalent of the Borg Warner DSG (The DSG is not actually a VAG gearbox).
Ford are dumping the powershit and going back to torque convertor based systems....as its cost them dearly!
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Ford are dumping the powershit and going back to torque convertor based systems....as its cost them dearly!
Like Vauxhall & their Easytronic then ::)
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The Easytronic was a single clutch system using a standard manual box with naff software (tolerable with the software upgrades).
GM never finished their dual clutch box as it got binned about 10 years ago, instead they got on board big autos with lockup in all gears.
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Eldest daughter is on her 2nd Aygo[petrol]and loves them,but in fairness it does suit her short town hop driving.Son-in-law[her husband]is on his 2nd Auris hybrid and loves those :o Other son-in-law had an Ultima[?]diesel-import version of Previa anyway-that thing was a total pile of cack!I once had a late '70's[I think]2L Cressida saloon,I think that was built of rust and body filler ;D it was pretty comfy,had a reasonable turn of speed for what it was and mechanically it just wouldn't die,but it was so,so boring to drive it had no "soul" :-[
I've driven a couple of Aygos and quite liked them as a thrash-about-town car. One of those was a hire car, thus was the worlds fastest vehicle ;D. Obviously not a car for longer journeys, or motorway runs.
But I know a guy who has a right Friday afternoon one.
FIL has a d4d engine corolla verso, and its a proper wallet emptier. Its a dog of an engine once it has miles on it. On the upside, he has full access to an abandoned Battlebus (if he can find it) when his is broken again ;D.