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[STEMO]

I see the old girl has resigned from the government, and intends to run for leader. At least she is a brexiteer.

[Varche]

That makes 106 candidates by my reckoning.

I wonder if Steve Baker is standing?

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

May should be gone by Monday. The fly in the ointment though, would be that we wont have a Prime Minister to greet Trump when he comes to visit in early June.
That fact might just buy her another couple of weeks. 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Theresa is dead in the water. Much the same as when she became PM.

We all have our time. Her time is over.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

May should be gone by Monday. The fly in the ointment though, would be that we wont have a Prime Minister to greet Trump when he comes to visit in early June.
That fact might just buy her another couple of weeks. 

I imagine Anna Soubry would be your choice for her replacement.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

......not a Tory any more though.

How about the minister for Dickensian England?

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

He will do just fine. 

[STEMO]

I would imagine the leadership contest would come down to Boris or Jeremy Corbyn Hunt, with Javid possibly getting a look in. Andrea Leadsome as an outside choice.
Did I miss anyone out? 

[biggriffin]

Now we need to apply the rule of Opti when deciding on our new prime Minister,,,, Would you or not.  I await the Lord's results.

[TheBoy]

Now we need to apply the rule of Opti when deciding on our new prime Minister,,,, Would you or not.  I await the Lord's results.

Eff me no!  We'd get that pig ugly stupid bint from Liberty.

And there was me thinking we couldn't get any more bolloksed.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Now we need to apply the rule of Opti when deciding on our new prime Minister,,,, Would you or not.  I await the Lord's results.

All a bit long in the tooth for my liking.

I think Boris will win. He may be as mad as a March hare but people seem to like him.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Now we need to apply the rule of Opti when deciding on our new prime Minister,,,, Would you or not.  I await the Lord's results.

Eff me no!  We'd get that pig ugly stupid bint from Liberty.

And there was me thinking we couldn't get any more bolloksed.

Rumour has it that as soon as you reach 100,000 post Shami will reward you by coming to Brackley to sit on your face.

As a liberal feminist lesbian she will undoubtedly sport a full untrimmed bush, with extra thick curly pubes running down the inside of her thighs.

Enjoy.

[TheBoy]

Time to delete my account, methinks...

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Boris might not get a look in. He isn't that popular among the MP,s and they narrow it down to two candidates for us members to choose between. We shall see.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Time to delete my account, methinks...

Just 1302 posts to go and then........

[biggriffin]

I hope, that if Boris wins he is strong enough to stand up to the EU, and the rest and Tell them this is what's happening.

[Nick W]

I hope, that if Boris wins he is strong enough to stand up to the EU, and the rest and Tell them this is what's happening.

Fat chance.
Boris is an opportunist, addicted to short term gambling because he's incapable of planning beyond what he might have for lunch. He'll take one look at the clusteropps from the last three years and cave in.

[STEMO]

The next leader should just knock everyone in the party into line. He/she should say that the choice is leave or remain and they either all vote for one or the other or he/she will call a general election. That would focus their minds.

[Nick W]

The next leader should just knock everyone in the party into line. He/she should say that the choice is leave or remain and they either all vote for one or the other or he/she will call a general election. That would focus their minds.

yes, it worked so well last time.

[STEMO]

The next leader should just knock everyone in the party into line. He/she should say that the choice is leave or remain and they either all vote for one or the other or he/she will call a general election. That would focus their minds.

yes, it worked so well last time.

That's why it would focus their minds, obviously.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

The next leader should just knock everyone in the party into line. He/she should say that the choice is leave or remain and they either all vote for one or the other or he/she will call a general election. That would focus their minds.

Parliament is about 80% remain.

[STEMO]

The next leader should just knock everyone in the party into line. He/she should say that the choice is leave or remain and they either all vote for one or the other or he/she will call a general election. That would focus their minds.

Parliament is about 80% remain.

Then we remain, and on their own heads be it.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

The next leader should just knock everyone in the party into line. He/she should say that the choice is leave or remain and they either all vote for one or the other or he/she will call a general election. That would focus their minds.

Parliament is about 80% remain.

Then we remain, and on their own heads be it.

I thought it was the will of the people that counted rather than a mere 650 MP's.

[dave the builder]

The next leader should just knock everyone in the party into line. He/she should say that the choice is leave or remain and they either all vote for one or the other or he/she will call a general election. That would focus their minds.

Parliament is about 80% remain.

Then we remain, and on their own heads be it.

I thought it was the will of the people that counted rather than a mere 650 MP's.

you should do stand up 

[Sir Tigger KC]

The next leader should just knock everyone in the party into line. He/she should say that the choice is leave or remain and they either all vote for one or the other or he/she will call a general election. That would focus their minds.

Parliament is about 80% remain.

Then we remain, and on their own heads be it.

I thought it was the will of the people that counted rather than a mere 650 MP's.

When the 650 MP's voted to subcontract a decision to the people, then you'd think that the will of the people would count for something.... 

[Nick W]

When the 650 MP's voted to subcontract a decision to the people, then you'd think that the will of the people would count for something.... 

we have a representative democracy, where the will of the people is subcontracted to those 650MPs.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Wrong. They agreed to subcontract that decision to the electorate and promised they would implement it. That's why most of them wont admit to wanting to stop it, but are doing everything they can think of to do just that.

[Sir Tigger KC]

When the 650 MP's voted to subcontract a decision to the people, then you'd think that the will of the people would count for something.... 

we have a representative democracy, where the will of the people is subcontracted to those 650MPs.

Ah yes the result of the referendum was just advisory... 

[Lizzie Zoom]

When the 650 MP's voted to subcontract a decision to the people, then you'd think that the will of the people would count for something.... 

we have a representative democracy, where the will of the people is subcontracted to those 650MPs.

Ah yes the result of the referendum was just advisory...

I think we have yet another Brexit thread developing here...................................so, hey ho here we go.......................

The problem is now, as much as I understand 52% of voters stated they wanted to leave the EU, based on questionable 'facts', it was over 3 YEARS ago.  Without going  through all the details yet again, I will ask one question:

If you had a much loved patient very ill in hospital and the doctors told you 3 years ago of the treatment they wanted to administer, and needed your agreement / vote and it was delayed for whatever reason until today, would you still accept their findings of 3 years ago and tell them to just go ahead no matter what new risks now exist to adversely affect their desperate health?

I leave you to decide the answer in terms of the ill patient being the UK.........................................

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

When the 650 MP's voted to subcontract a decision to the people, then you'd think that the will of the people would count for something.... 

we have a representative democracy, where the will of the people is subcontracted to those 650MPs.

True.....but MP's are there to represent the views of their constituents rather than simply their own
 personal views.

[Lizzie Zoom]

When the 650 MP's voted to subcontract a decision to the people, then you'd think that the will of the people would count for something.... 

we have a representative democracy, where the will of the people is subcontracted to those 650MPs.

True.....but MP's are there to represent the views of their constituents rather than simply their own
 personal views.

No, sorry Opti, but that is a very common misconception of the situation with MP's.  They are voted to represent us in our "representative" democracy.  They have to decide what they think is best for our democracy.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

But, as I said a few posts ago - they handed this decision back to the people and promised the people they would implement the decision they took. They also voted to invoke article 50, which meant leaving on 29th March - deal or no deal - and reneged on their word.
Hopefully, they will soon pay the price for being so contemptuous of those who elect them.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

When the 650 MP's voted to subcontract a decision to the people, then you'd think that the will of the people would count for something.... 

we have a representative democracy, where the will of the people is subcontracted to those 650MPs.

True.....but MP's are there to represent the views of their constituents rather than simply their own
 personal views.

No, sorry Opti, but that is a very common misconception of the situation with MP's.  They are voted to represent us in our "representative" democracy. They have to decide what they think is best for our democracy.

But if they try to use that autocratic power in a way that they personally like rather than what is best for the people they will soon be kicked out at the next election.

They can't simply ignore the will of the people, Lizzie.......especially with a large Brexit majority in the North.

Life is so much more easy for a banana republic dictator in Bongo Bongo land.

[Nick W]

But, as I said a few posts ago - they handed this decision back to the people and promised the people they would implement the decision they took. They also voted to invoke article 50, which meant leaving on 29th March - deal or no deal - and reneged on their word.
Hopefully, they will soon pay the price for being so contemptuous of those who elect them.

They did implement the referendum, which was ONLY to leave. There was nothing in the referendum for what deal we would aim for. Which is the problem, as everybody thought they would get what they wanted. Which is clearly impossible.

[Sir Tigger KC]

But, as I said a few posts ago - they handed this decision back to the people and promised the people they would implement the decision they took. They also voted to invoke article 50, which meant leaving on 29th March - deal or no deal - and reneged on their word.
Hopefully, they will soon pay the price for being so contemptuous of those who elect them.

They did implement the referendum, which was ONLY to leave. There was nothing in the referendum for what deal we would aim for. Which is the problem, as everybody thought they would get what they wanted. Which is clearly impossible.

No they didn't.  We havn't left, as we should have done on 29th March. 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

But, as I said a few posts ago - they handed this decision back to the people and promised the people they would implement the decision they took. They also voted to invoke article 50, which meant leaving on 29th March - deal or no deal - and reneged on their word.
Hopefully, they will soon pay the price for being so contemptuous of those who elect them.

They did implement the referendum, which was ONLY to leave. There was nothing in the referendum for what deal we would aim for. Which is the problem, as everybody thought they would get what they wanted. Which is clearly impossible.

No they didn't.  We havn't left, as we should have done on 29th March. 

Yes......Theresa said we would leave on the 29th March about eighty times.

[Shackeng]

Once MP's managed to get the 'No Deal' chip off the table, we had no chance of negotiating a reasonable exit agreement, and as the Eurocrats have stated that they will not re-negotiate, any new Prime Minister, of whatever cloth, will be in exactly the same situation.

[Sir Tigger KC]

No Deal is still the legal default and the new PM must ramp up the preparations for that outcome overtly and at full throttle for 31st October. 

[Raeturbo]

When the 650 MP's voted to subcontract a decision to the people, then you'd think that the will of the people would count for something.... 

we have a representative democracy, where the will of the people is subcontracted to those 650MPs.

Ah yes the result of the referendum was just advisory...

I think we have yet another Brexit thread developing here...................................so, hey ho here we go.......................

The problem is now, as much as I understand 52% of voters stated they wanted to leave the EU, based on questionable 'facts', it was over 3 YEARS ago.  Without going  through all the details yet again, I will ask one question:

If you had a much loved patient very ill in hospital and the doctors told you 3 years ago of the treatment they wanted to administer, and needed your agreement / vote and it was delayed for whatever reason until today, would you still accept their findings of 3 years ago and tell them to just go ahead no matter what new risks now exist to adversely affect their desperate health?

I leave you to decide the answer in terms of the ill patient being the UK.........................................

.     
 
                      No, that’s a rubbish comparison with no relevance at all!  We voted to leave end of, let’s get out one way or another.

[Nick W]

But, as I said a few posts ago - they handed this decision back to the people and promised the people they would implement the decision they took. They also voted to invoke article 50, which meant leaving on 29th March - deal or no deal - and reneged on their word.
Hopefully, they will soon pay the price for being so contemptuous of those who elect them.

They did implement the referendum, which was ONLY to leave. There was nothing in the referendum for what deal we would aim for. Which is the problem, as everybody thought they would get what they wanted. Which is clearly impossible.

No they didn't.  We havn't left, as we should have done on 29th March. 

parliament invoked article 50 to leave the EU. That's the WHOLE referendum result. Then it became obvious to everyone that the EU wasn't going to roll over and let us tickle its tummy as we were 'promised.' And that's why we, as an electorate should have refused to allow such a simplistic question to a complicated problem. We're all to blame for this mess, and deserve whatever the actual result turns out to be.

[Nick W]

If you had a much loved patient very ill in hospital and the doctors told you 3 years ago of the treatment they wanted to administer, and needed your agreement / vote and it was delayed for whatever reason until today, would you still accept their findings of 3 years ago and tell them to just go ahead no matter what new risks now exist to adversely affect their desperate health?

I leave you to decide the answer in terms of the ill patient being the UK.........................................

Your analogy is more like this: do you want us to do something, or nothing? Yes or no? Notice the lack of any discussion of their chances, the effectiveness of potential treatments or their actual consequences.

[Sir Tigger KC]

But, as I said a few posts ago - they handed this decision back to the people and promised the people they would implement the decision they took. They also voted to invoke article 50, which meant leaving on 29th March - deal or no deal - and reneged on their word.
Hopefully, they will soon pay the price for being so contemptuous of those who elect them.

They did implement the referendum, which was ONLY to leave. There was nothing in the referendum for what deal we would aim for. Which is the problem, as everybody thought they would get what they wanted. Which is clearly impossible.

No they didn't.  We havn't left, as we should have done on 29th March. 

parliament invoked article 50 to leave the EU. That's the WHOLE referendum result. Then it became obvious to everyone that the EU wasn't going to roll over and let us tickle its tummy as we were 'promised.' And that's why we, as an electorate should have refused to allow such a simplistic question to a complicated problem. We're all to blame for this mess, and deserve whatever the actual result turns out to be.

As it happens you might turn out to be right, as there is a court case in progress to prove that the extension to the A50 period was illegal and so we did in fact leave the European Union on 29th March.

[Shackeng]

But, as I said a few posts ago - they handed this decision back to the people and promised the people they would implement the decision they took. They also voted to invoke article 50, which meant leaving on 29th March - deal or no deal - and reneged on their word.
Hopefully, they will soon pay the price for being so contemptuous of those who elect them.

They did implement the referendum, which was ONLY to leave. There was nothing in the referendum for what deal we would aim for. Which is the problem, as everybody thought they would get what they wanted. Which is clearly impossible.

No they didn't.  We havn't left, as we should have done on 29th March. 

parliament invoked article 50 to leave the EU. That's the WHOLE referendum result. Then it became obvious to everyone that the EU wasn't going to roll over and let us tickle its tummy as we were 'promised.' And that's why we, as an electorate should have refused to allow such a simplistic question to a complicated problem. We're all to blame for this mess, and deserve whatever the actual result turns out to be.

As a matter of interest, please explain how we, the electorate in a representative democracy, would have arranged to have had the referendum question re-worded?

[Raeturbo]

We are stupid remember, leavers did not know what we were voting for, but of course the remainers did.   Mmmmm

[Lizzie Zoom]

We are stupid remember, leavers did not know what we were voting for, but of course the remainers did.   Mmmmm

Yes, we knew the "£350 million per week we pay to the EU" was a lie, and immigration could not be stopped and those "not born here" could not be sent "back home".  Very basic stuff because that is what was being fed to the voters, and when the truth about it came out, and Brexit would be a very hard job, people like Buffoon Boris just disappeared!

[Andy B]

We are stupid remember, leavers did not know what we were voting for, but of course the remainers did.   Mmmmm

Yes, we knew the "£350 million per week we pay to the EU" was a lie, and immigration could not be stopped and those "not born here" could not be sent "back home". Very basic stuff because that is what was being fed to the voters, and when the truth about it came out, and Brexit would be a very hard job, people like Buffoon Boris just disappeared!

I knew that too but chose leave  ......

A local Tory councilor reckoned that the leavers were just ill-educated 

[Sir Tigger KC]

We are stupid remember, leavers did not know what we were voting for, but of course the remainers did.   Mmmmm

Yes, we knew the "£350 million per week we pay to the EU" was a lie, and immigration could not be stopped and those "not born here" could not be sent "back home".  Very basic stuff because that is what was being fed to the voters, and when the truth about it came out, and Brexit would be a very hard job, people like Buffoon Boris just disappeared!

There was little or no analysis of what a vote to remain would have entailed, nor has there been since. 

Just an unspoken assumption that it would have been business as usual.   

We would have found out what voting remain meant at the forthcoming Multi Annual Budget negotiations and I'm sure that the 16 million would have been content to relinquish the rebate and pay £4 billion a year more for our membership of the EU. 

[Nick W]

There was little or no analysis of what a vote to remain would have entailed, nor has there been since. 

Just an unspoken assumption that it would have been business as usual.   

We would have found out what voting remain meant at the forthcoming Multi Annual Budget negotiations and I'm sure that the 16 million would have been content to relinquish the rebate and pay £4 billion a year more for our membership of the EU. 

It would have been worth that to avoid the whinging of the last three years. Let alone however long it takes to get a result of any kind.

[Lizzie Zoom]

There was little or no analysis of what a vote to remain would have entailed, nor has there been since. 

Just an unspoken assumption that it would have been business as usual.   

We would have found out what voting remain meant at the forthcoming Multi Annual Budget negotiations and I'm sure that the 16 million would have been content to relinquish the rebate and pay £4 billion a year more for our membership of the EU. 

It would have been worth that to avoid the whinging of the last three years. Let alone however long it takes to get a result of any kind.

Let alone the enormous cost to the UK in administration, flights to Brussels, hotel and food bills, extra civil servants, tons of paper..................oh, and arranging extra ferry capacity along with setting up special motorway barriers, signs - which we still have - along with tests like trying out Manston as a lorry park...................the list must be endless if you also include commercial "arrangements" such as stock piling; and we will be paying for it all in addition to the get out Brexit EU charge

[TheBoy]

There was little or no analysis of what a vote to remain would have entailed, nor has there been since. 

No, of course not, just all those that just about every single (sane) economist has done...

[Sir Tigger KC]

There was little or no analysis of what a vote to remain would have entailed, nor has there been since. 

No, of course not, just all those that just about every single (sane) economist has done...

No, what you are referring to are the endless negative predictions of voting to leave which didn't come true and the ongoing negative and frankley hysterical predictions of what will happen if we actually leave, many of which have been discredited. 

There has been little or no analysis, of the economic or political consequences of a remain vote. 

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

We are stupid remember, leavers did not know what we were voting for, but of course the remainers did.   Mmmmm

Yes, we knew the "£350 million per week we pay to the EU" was a lie, and immigration could not be stopped and those "not born here" could not be sent "back home".  Very basic stuff because that is what was being fed to the voters, and when the truth about it came out, and Brexit would be a very hard job, people like Buffoon Boris just disappeared!

We do pay that to the EU, although some of it comes back to the UK in the form of rebate,with very explicit instructions on how it must be spent.
No-one in any campaign mentioned stopping all immigration or sending foreigners home, unless you were listening to radio BNP ?
Boris didn't disappear, he was appointed foreign secretary and subsequently resigned in disgust at Mays chequers plan surrender treaty.

[Mister Rog]

I think that Raab has a good chance

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48410734

[Raeturbo]

Ha ha no chance would be ambitious👍

[Raeturbo]

Trouble is for three years our country has been put down, underestimated, sold out.... you know the rest, reminds me of Chamberlain. For fks sake get out, we were great once and can be again without this EU s#it

[Nick W]

Trouble is for three years our country has been put down, underestimated, sold out.... you know the rest, reminds me of Chamberlain. For fks sake get out, we were great once and can be again without this EU s#it

It's all Putin's fault: he got the Conservatives into power to be even bigger oppsups than Trump to take some of the heat off him. And it's the best investment ever because it's still working!

[Varche]

There was little or no analysis of what a vote to remain would have entailed, nor has there been since. 

No, of course not, just all those that just about every single (sane) economist has done...

No, what you are referring to are the endless negative predictions of voting to leave which didn't come true and the ongoing negative and frankley hysterical predictions of what will happen if we actually leave, many of which have been discredited. 

There has been little or no analysis, of the economic or political consequences of a remain vote. 

I made that point some time ago. The plain truth is people do not like change. Never have and never will. Anything for an easy life. They do not see the bigger picture or the danger of a federal Europe. We shouldn't be critical as it is just a normal human trait. It is why people stay in hopeless marriages rather than embrace a clean break and do the right thing. They even come up with plausible excuses .

If Britains contribution had doubled , the spin put on it would have made it look OK. Somebody has to pay for the scandals like ERES. ( 775 million).

[TheBoy]

There was little or no analysis of what a vote to remain would have entailed, nor has there been since. 

No, of course not, just all those that just about every single (sane) economist has done...

No, what you are referring to are the endless negative predictions of voting to leave which didn't come true and the ongoing negative and frankley hysterical predictions of what will happen if we actually leave, many of which have been discredited. 

There has been little or no analysis, of the economic or political consequences of a remain vote. 

No, I'm referring to just about every single piece of analysis done, before, during and after the referendum.

But the Farage brainwashing* causes them all to be dismissed as Project Fear. Which means suddenly they are irrelevant, because the reality of it doesn't match what was/is being promised by some.


*Mostly via The Daily Mail.

[Sir Tigger KC]

There was little or no analysis of what a vote to remain would have entailed, nor has there been since. 

No, of course not, just all those that just about every single (sane) economist has done...

No, what you are referring to are the endless negative predictions of voting to leave which didn't come true and the ongoing negative and frankley hysterical predictions of what will happen if we actually leave, many of which have been discredited. 

There has been little or no analysis, of the economic or political consequences of a remain vote. 

No, I'm referring to just about every single piece of analysis done, before, during and after the referendum.

But the Farage brainwashing* causes them all to be dismissed as Project Fear. Which means suddenly they are irrelevant, because the reality of it doesn't match what was/is being promised by some.


*Mostly via The Daily Mail.

Sigh. 

You are still talking about the analysis and predictions of leaving not remaining. 

[TheBoy]

There was little or no analysis of what a vote to remain would have entailed, nor has there been since. 

No, of course not, just all those that just about every single (sane) economist has done...

No, what you are referring to are the endless negative predictions of voting to leave which didn't come true and the ongoing negative and frankley hysterical predictions of what will happen if we actually leave, many of which have been discredited. 

There has been little or no analysis, of the economic or political consequences of a remain vote. 

No, I'm referring to just about every single piece of analysis done, before, during and after the referendum.

But the Farage brainwashing* causes them all to be dismissed as Project Fear. Which means suddenly they are irrelevant, because the reality of it doesn't match what was/is being promised by some.


*Mostly via The Daily Mail.

Sigh. 

You are still talking about the analysis and predictions of leaving not remaining. 

WTF are you smoking?

They all did analysis of remaining.

They all did analysis of leaving.

Then they compared.  That's how this shit works.

[Sir Tigger KC]

There was little or no analysis of what a vote to remain would have entailed, nor has there been since. 

No, of course not, just all those that just about every single (sane) economist has done...

No, what you are referring to are the endless negative predictions of voting to leave which didn't come true and the ongoing negative and frankley hysterical predictions of what will happen if we actually leave, many of which have been discredited. 

There has been little or no analysis, of the economic or political consequences of a remain vote. 

No, I'm referring to just about every single piece of analysis done, before, during and after the referendum.

But the Farage brainwashing* causes them all to be dismissed as Project Fear. Which means suddenly they are irrelevant, because the reality of it doesn't match what was/is being promised by some.


*Mostly via The Daily Mail.

Sigh. 

You are still talking about the analysis and predictions of leaving not remaining. 

WTF are you smoking?

They all did analysis of remaining.

They all did analysis of leaving.

Then they compared.  That's how this shit works.

Utter rubbish. 

Where was the in depth analysis of what our long term membership of the EU entailed in terms of increasing contributions, the rebate, Shenghen, the Euro, the EU Military, the impact of new countries joining, loss of sovereignty, etc etc?

There was little or none, just an wooly unspoken assumption that it would have been business as usual had we voted to remain, which is utter 'dangle berries' in my view as they would have used that remain vote against us in any negotiations about the rebate, transfers of powers etc. 

[Lizzie Zoom]

We are stupid remember, leavers did not know what we were voting for, but of course the remainers did.   Mmmmm

Yes, we knew the "£350 million per week we pay to the EU" was a lie, and immigration could not be stopped and those "not born here" could not be sent "back home".  Very basic stuff because that is what was being fed to the voters, and when the truth about it came out, and Brexit would be a very hard job, people like Buffoon Boris just disappeared!

We do pay that to the EU, although some of it comes back to the UK in the form of rebate,with very explicit instructions on how it must be spent.
No-one in any campaign mentioned stopping all immigration or sending foreigners home, unless you were listening to radio BNP ?
Boris didn't disappear, he was appointed foreign secretary and subsequently resigned in disgust at Mays chequers plan surrender treaty.

So you are one of the reckoned 42% of the population who still believe this lie

The UK Statistics Authority, whilst the bus was still going around, made it clear that "£350 million" claim was "misleading and undermines trust in official statistics”as the net figure actually paid to the EU, after all considerations such as rebates and payments from the EU, according to Sir Andrew Dilnot, the chair of the authority, was nearer £136 million per week.

As for the anti immigration stance, it was clear from interviews with the general public and the reaction within migrant communities, that they believed leaving the EU would mean Britain would again have complete control of it's borders and stop the great immigrant influx seen to date.


With the 'Leave' lies still resonating around the land it is not surprising that Parliament cannot reach an agreement as the country is still split and will be until a new government is formed with a new mandate, after a confirmatory referendum for the people, as the one of, what will be , over 3 years old and past it's sell by date, needs the up to date facts of what Brexit really means

 

[ronnyd]

So in other words, have a referendum, those in power who don,t like it dither around for three years, say it,s "passed it,s sell by date" so we need a new one. Small wonder politicians are held in total contempt.

[Lizzie Zoom]

So in other words, have a referendum, those in power who don,t like it dither around for three years, say it,s "passed it,s sell by date" so we need a new one. Small wonder politicians are held in total contempt.

Well it is far from pretty, and the whole thing to date has been a disaster, but that is what we have got. 

Now the whole county, and especially the politicians, must again put their heads together and come up with real answers to resolve all the many issues still outstanding.

[Varche]

Some comments.

Immigration. Even from within the EU could have been managed. The home secretary ( Theresa May astonishingly) chose not to. EU countries like Spain used quite draconian and arbitrary rules on what constituted sufficient income/ funds for residence. The UK stance was similar to that of slavery. We need cheap workers to fundrhe rich getting richer.

Lies were put out by both sides. It is called electioneering. A rhetorical question. Has the UK economy crashed and burned like the Hallowed and Revered pundits suggested? Of course it hasn't. Oh and How is Germany doing?

As Sir Tigger quite correctly says,there is no analysis of where Britain will be in ten or twenty years by staying in the EU. The naivety is breathtaking. It does however illustrate just how complacent folks are in relatively good times. The soon to be in post unelected EU leaders could suggest and implement a ten per cent tax on everyone to fund green cows and we would not bat-an eyelid. That is the truly scary reality. It is EU so must be good.

I have got to the point where I truly do not care anymore. We get what we deserve. The clues are there with the Eurovision song contest.  At least I tried.

[TheBoy]

Utter rubbish. 

Where was the in depth analysis of what our long term membership of the EU entailed in terms of increasing contributions, the rebate, Shenghen, the Euro, the EU Military, the impact of new countries joining, loss of sovereignty, etc etc?

PMSL.  It was/is all there.  The Farage mob chose to ignore it, as it didn't fit in with their lies.  The (old style, pre last summer) Fail chose to ignore it, as it didn't fit in with their desired outcomes.  Even the beeb covered it slightly, despite their more senior correspondents being pro hard leave.

[Sir Tigger KC]

Utter rubbish. 

Where was the in depth analysis of what our long term membership of the EU entailed in terms of increasing contributions, the rebate, Shenghen, the Euro, the EU Military, the impact of new countries joining, loss of sovereignty, etc etc?

PMSL.  It was/is all there.  The Farage mob chose to ignore it, as it didn't fit in with their lies.  The (old style, pre last summer) Fail chose to ignore it, as it didn't fit in with their desired outcomes.  Even the beeb covered it slightly, despite their more senior correspondents being pro hard leave.

I think we must be living in different countries. 

[TheBoy]

Brakkers and Daarzett are clearly opposite ends of the country


I'm sure Andrea Leadsome is/was or local MP.